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Is abortions legality ethical?

Shrek March 27, 2008 16:57:24

The abortion debate today seems to have the majority believing that abortion should be allowed and the government should stay out of a woman's right to choose. However, I argue diffrently. I do not believe that abortion is ethical at all. I would not say that a fetus is a baby and thereby killing it is murder, but I would say that killing a fetus is unethical. A fetus is a life, it has a genetic code from the moment of conception that makes it distinctly diffrent from the mother entirely. The life has been created at conception, it may not be a life that can think or have emotional characteristics-- it nevertheless is a life though. To end a life is unethical, especially a life that has a potential to be a human being. After all, the fetus you once were had the same future you already lived and the same future you yourself now have. How is killing you when you were a fetus and now when you are a human any diffrent in terms of denying you of that future-- which is why murder is considered unethical, because you are depriving an innocent life of it's future.
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  • +2 N8 dogg April 11, 2008 21:06:46
    N8 dogg

    No

    "a person is a person, no matter how small" -dr. seuss (horton hears a who)
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  • +1
    squirtpink November 09, 2008 02:29:56
    squirtpink

    No

    but i also believe that a woman has the right to choose what's going to happen to her body..but personally i would not get one b/c i know its wrong to take another's life away.......
  • Shrek squirtpink December 18, 2008 02:39:54
    Shrek
    Therefore, by implication, you are saying it's ok to take another's life away. That women should have the right to take anothers life away?
  • squirtpink Shrek December 18, 2008 18:47:09
    squirtpink
    I'm saying that i do not believe it in and I'd rather not have it..but then theirs also the fact that so many people these days are complaining about the freedom/right is being taken away....But i firmly DO NOT believe that anyone has the right to take the life of another away!
  • +1
    Teda October 22, 2008 15:58:56
    Teda

    No

    I unfortunately need here the answer undecided too, because ofcourse that's unethical because you kill an inocente unborn child, but what if the father of baby is some crazy mane who raped you, you cant keep that baby, because it would remind you of that happening and the baby could be retarded, 'cause you don't know who is father.. Undecided..
  • +1
    Shrek Teda October 22, 2008 16:00:46
    Shrek
    Good responce. Rape is a tricky subject. I should have made an undecided choice, you're right!
  • Teda Shrek October 22, 2008 16:05:11
    Teda
    thanks....=)
  • +2
    N8 dogg April 11, 2008 21:06:46
    N8 dogg

    No

    "a person is a person, no matter how small" -dr. seuss (horton hears a who)
  • +2
    Jessa ~COB April 04, 2008 15:10:44
    Jessa ~COB

    No

    i hope i read our answer key pad right i am pro choice but i wouldnt actually get one but i dont care if every sally suzan and kelly get one yanno not my body
  • +1
    Shrek Jessa ~COB April 04, 2008 15:19:55
    Shrek
    I think the answer should be yes then because the legal status of abortion is that it is allowed and I ask if that is ethical or not. If you say no, then that should mean that you do not think abortions should be legal because they are unethical, which is the way I feel.

    And my only argument to your comment is that it is not entirely the woman's body either. Actually, it is a very small part of the woman's body. The baby has it's own genetic code and DNA upon conception. It is a completely seperate organizm than the mother. Granted it might be parasitic and depend on the mother for survival, but it nontheless is a seperate life and not just and extention of the mother's body.
  • +2
    Jessa ~COB Shrek April 04, 2008 15:34:47
    Jessa ~COB
    ehh and ill still argue the fact if i ever got raped or if the child would kill me if i gave birth damn straight im going to abort it,

    but being as i have not had either happen to me yet.. i still stick with its their body not mine and i couldn't do it, but i find nothing wrong with it,
    Sorry there are to many children up for adoption and not enough of them are being adopted, (although if the states would get off their high horse and let gay couples adopt then that fact would not so much be fact anymore..) and there are some people out there who DO use protection but still end up preggo, that totally dont need to be having children due to them not being able to take care of themselves
  • +1
    Shrek Jessa ~COB April 04, 2008 15:46:34
    Shrek
    Well to comment on your first point, I agree that if a woman's life is in the balance than yes it should be allowed because that is simply self-defense.

    To comment on your second point, about gay couples being able to adopt, I agree with that.

    To comment on your third point, about people using protection but still getting pregnant. The law has already decided this point in my opinion. There is a law called assimilated risk, which means that if I bring a gun (even if I have a permit to carry it and own it and everything is fine) to a grocery store and that gun being seen causes the cashier to thinking your robbing the store, the cashier can not be held responcible for his/her actions.. It gives a list of scenarios like this to explain the law. Basically all it means is that when you do or have something that makes someone or something else respond out of natural instincts then you took on that assimilated risk by having or doing whatever it was that you were doing and you have to deal with the consequences.
  • +1
    Shrek Shrek April 04, 2008 15:48:46
    Shrek
    Sex seems to me to fall under an assimilated risk. You knew there was a high risk of getting pregnant from having sex, that wasn't any surprise. Therefore, you deal with the consequences.
  • +3
    Jessa ~COB Shrek April 04, 2008 16:01:43
    Jessa ~COB
    So lemme clarify your last statement, Ok totally senerio here but..

    Say some 22 yr old girl, who waited her entire life to have sex, with the one person she has been with for lets say 9 yrs, and on their first encounter she winds up preggo, She has no financial stability the "father" who she thought was going to marry her one day ran away due to the fear of being a father

    Her family and friends have basically turned their backs on her, Should she have this child? and live on your and my paychecks, (due to since she has no financial background she will prolly end up on welfare.)


    (my opinion on this is she needs to have one, she cant mentally take care of it physically take care of it, or anything else, and no offense i pay enough taxes i dont want to have to support her too.. yanno?)
  • +1
    Shrek Jessa ~COB April 04, 2008 16:09:22
    Shrek
    Well your scenario is actually far too uncommon to pay attention to. The assimilated risk law is the reason why males HAVE to pay child support. Because the males can't tell the female to have the baby or not, but whatever the female chooses the male has to finaicially back that child because they took on that assimilated risk. So, unless he changes his name or goes to another country this female can talk to the courts and they will send out a warrant for his arrest if he does not pay.

    And I have no problem paying for someone who needs it, like in this case. My problem is the money that goes do people who don't need it and who are just lazy. Again, she can give the child up for adoption if she can't emotionally or physically take care of it. Chances are that her family and friends who turned there backs on her in her time of need aren't really worth the salt in their bodies and won't really care about her whether she gives it up or has it. So either way she will be alone, without any financial abilities, and now she has to deal with the emotional scare of an abortion and probably will never have a child again, which is the case in 94% of all abortion cases.
  • +1
    Jessa ~COB Shrek April 04, 2008 16:12:26
    Jessa ~COB
    they don't have to if the Woman refuse's to let them or if the guy goes to court and signs all paternity rights away, ;) once he signs his rights away he is no longer legally bound to the child ergo doesn't have to pay a cent!
  • +1
    Shrek Jessa ~COB April 04, 2008 16:15:27
    Shrek
    Only in certain states, the majority of the states find this not a suitable option. The states that allow this had diffrent reasons for making the father finacially responcible. In most states the reasoning is the assimilated risk law and even if he signs over his rights as a father, he still has to pay for the child if the mother wants to keep it and can't afford to on her own. Same is true for the opposite way.
  • +1
    Jessa ~COB Shrek April 04, 2008 16:19:22
    Jessa ~COB
    Not true, once you sign all your paternity rights away they can not will not not fesable make you do anything because you have choosen to give up all rights and that includes financial rights,

    Ive watched it happen to 8 of my closest friends, in 6 different states, and the worst part is one of my friends wasn't going to allow the court to make him pay anything, and he went behind her back and signed his rights away so she couldn't change her mind later on. just as the woman can do the same thing give birth hand the kid over to dear daddy and walk away after signing her rights away nothing he can do..
  • Live Fr... Shrek April 04, 2008 17:07:56 (edited)
    Live Free Or Die
    Okay, but let's say it was just a one nighter, and neither of them had a way to get in touch with eachother, but she's pregnant. Does the government owe her a welfare check or should the government sit outside her door to make sure she isn't having sex. I just don't like the idea of the government being involved in my personal life that way. Morals and personal responsibility is where it's at, not government control. Just my opinion.
  • +1 / -1
    Live Fr... Shrek April 04, 2008 16:56:34 (edited)
    Live Free Or Die
    Shrek: I can't help but comment here. If you believe that under certain circumstances, an abortion would be warranted, as in the case of the life of the mother, you have lost your own argument. If you believe that the life of the fetus is a separate and distinct being and the mother has no say in whether she should bring it forth, then you must stick to that, regardless of the circumstances. If not, then this is not a valid argument. A true pro-lifer believes that even if a mother must die to give birth, then so she should. A true pro-lifer believes that even if the woman was beaten, raped, and brutalized, she must bear the child (individually I would think that depending on her beliefs and her circumstances she may or may not wish to give birth after such an experience). A true pro-lifer believes that even if the woman is an absolutely unworkable situation in her life to have a child or even be pregnant, she must bear the child. I hope you will rethink your position. Either you are for or against it: you can't have it both ways.
  • +1
    Jessa ~COB Live Fr... April 04, 2008 17:39:57
    Jessa ~COB
    hence why im pro choice, i may not do it but if it came down to it and i had to me or the kid i totally would i have 4 other kids that need me, im not going to let one child who could die with me take me away from them, yanno,

    but till that day i wont ever get one lol
  • +1
    Shrek Live Fr... April 08, 2008 16:21:48
    Shrek
    Jamie,

    That is not true at all. I am a TRUE pro-life supporter. The reason I said that I felt if a woman's life is at risk from going through with the pregnancy than the abortion can be seen as self-defence. There is nothing unethical about self defence. If my life was at risk there would be no way that anyone has to tell me I have to die in order for someone else to live. That is not the situation in over 90% of abortions. Most all abortions go "I don't want this kid, I'm not ready for it. Let's just get ride of it." This excuse is not a valid excuse for taking a life. Neither is "I can't afford this baby right now" because there are millions of organizations that are there for that situation. Defending your own life is a valid excuse for taking a life. Therefore, I am a TRUE pro-lifer, because I believe in life and I believe someone should fight for it. However, unless your excuse is that your own life was in danger, it is unethical to kill an innocent life.
  • ~BINK~ April 03, 2008 20:49:25
    ~BINK~

    No

    undecided......i wouldn't do it but i cant tell someone else not to.
  • +1
    Froot Loops!!! =) April 02, 2008 19:06:27
    Froot Loops!!! =)

    No

    I only say no cuz IDK what ethical means. Unless it means "bad" the yes! So confused!!! lol
  • Shrek Froot L... April 02, 2008 19:22:15
    Shrek
    Abortion is legal now

    Ethical means that something is right or can be considered right judgement by the majority of people. Like stealing is unethical.

    So if you view abortion as bad you would put that YES the law is unethical because it says that abortion is ok

    If you view abortion as ok you would put NO the law is ethical because it says that abortion is ok.
  • +1
    Froot L... Shrek April 03, 2008 19:11:24
    Froot Loops!!! =)
    Oh, then it is No. I think that even if you are really young you can give your child to your parents untill you are ready. That way all childern have the chance to live!!!
  • Shrek Froot L... April 03, 2008 20:46:35
    Shrek
    I couldn't agree with you more Blondie!
  • Live Free Or Die April 01, 2008 11:18:06 (edited)
    Live Free Or Die

    No

    I don't think the legality of it is unethical but I would agree with the restrictions and those should be evaluated as well periodically by the medical community. Late term abortion should be further evaluated (as to abort once the fetus is viable and more highly developed is damaging, I think, to both people), but in some cases a very deformed fetus would not live long anyway and this should be examined more closely as to what this could mean in certain circumstances. I am not for the destruction of Down's syndrome or people with disabilities, but under extremely grave circumstances....I just don't know, perhaps induction of labor so that the woman would not have a still birth or in the case where her health or life is at risk, but again I don't know. As far as forcing a woman (or teen) to have a baby in cases of incest by a family member, I feel is wrong. I also feel that in cases of rape where the woman may be seriously physically damaged or emotionally damaged, is also wrong. We definitely need to work on reducing abortion and address the moral issues, as well as the medical community becoming more involved with our lawmakers. I don't have a problem with restrictions, as I think they are needed. However, to ban it or outlaw it I think would be a mistake. Historically, before ab...'
    I don't think the legality of it is unethical but I would agree with the restrictions and those should be evaluated as well periodically by the medical community. Late term abortion should be further evaluated (as to abort once the fetus is viable and more highly developed is damaging, I think, to both people), but in some cases a very deformed fetus would not live long anyway and this should be examined more closely as to what this could mean in certain circumstances. I am not for the destruction of Down's syndrome or people with disabilities, but under extremely grave circumstances....I just don't know, perhaps induction of labor so that the woman would not have a still birth or in the case where her health or life is at risk, but again I don't know. As far as forcing a woman (or teen) to have a baby in cases of incest by a family member, I feel is wrong. I also feel that in cases of rape where the woman may be seriously physically damaged or emotionally damaged, is also wrong. We definitely need to work on reducing abortion and address the moral issues, as well as the medical community becoming more involved with our lawmakers. I don't have a problem with restrictions, as I think they are needed. However, to ban it or outlaw it I think would be a mistake. Historically, before abortion was a viable option, women still had accidental pregnancies, the outcomes of which, in many cases, were detrimental. The abortion rate should be greatly decreased, but at the same time I don't think anyone can know what situations might warrant an abortion unless they are that individual themselves. I welcome restrictions, better policy and procedures, but I am not in favor of eliminating the legality of it completely.
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  • +2
    Derek March 27, 2008 21:48:21
    Derek

    Yes

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  • +1
    Shrek Derek March 28, 2008 14:39:14
    Shrek
    How is life not precious?

    Sure trees and plants are cut down or dug up for trivial reasons but an animals life is never taken without just cause, and if it has been that person is punished. For example, Micheal Vick!

    And how is a fetus comparable to a tree? It has nothing in common except for the fact that they both have cells! An analogy that says a fetus is like an animal is a little closer to the real picture, but still is way off. But at least that I could find agreeable, but not a tree. The fetus may or may not be a person yet at conception, but whatever you define it as it is sure going to become a person if you leave it alone. If this scenario was true for a tree we would have diffrent laws about getting ride of trees.
  • +1
    Derek Shrek March 28, 2008 18:45:08
    Derek
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  • Shrek Derek March 31, 2008 14:46:38
    Shrek
    Sperm has no exact potential to life if you leave it alone. If you leave sperm alone in your body, no person will come of it. However, when a sperm combines with an egg, the exact potential of being a person is great, almost 100% in fact. The only way it won't become a person is if someone kills it, or their are biological complications. Killing an animal simply because you don't want it is unethical. Therefore, killing a fetus, who if anything else, is the life of an animal, than it too is unethical.
  • +1
    kmay March 27, 2008 20:33:09 (edited)
    kmay

    No

    If it's a life when you want it, it is still a life when you don't.

    The only "choice" is to end a life.

    Unethical.
  • +1 / -1
    MadHatter March 27, 2008 20:22:32
    MadHatter

    Yes

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  • Shrek MadHatter March 27, 2008 20:25:38
    Shrek
    Actually, the fact that I find it unethical is exactly why I'm trying to get it on OUR law books, not YOUR law books. Abortion requires killing an innocent life. When an innocent life is involved the state (government) has to step in and protect the rights of the innocent life. It is a governmental duty to protect the defensless and to protect the minority, not help kill them!
  • +1
    Mollybd... Shrek April 02, 2008 19:25:54
    Mollybdamned American Atheist
    OK, now you are confusing me. I thought (way back when I went to church) that ALL were conceived in Original Sin. So, wouldn't that mean there are NO innocents? Just checking.
  • +1
    Shrek Mollybd... April 03, 2008 20:49:19
    Shrek
    I am not arguing any religious views. I am arguing it's ethicality. If killing an innocent life (innocent in the terms of our laws and the common view of innocence, not the religious view of it) is unethical, than it has to be illegal.
  • +1
    Mollybd... Shrek April 03, 2008 20:50:05
    Mollybdamned American Atheist
    OK, I get what you are saying. Thanks for the post.
  • +1
    Shrek Mollybd... April 03, 2008 21:00:53
    Shrek
    your welcome!

    I just want to let you know that I am a man of religion, but I hold very little water to religions facts as documented in the bible. Not everyone believes in the same religion or moral code as do christians which is why I think it, and all religions need to stay out of political debates and governing laws. As well as vis versa!
  • +1
    Mollybd... Shrek April 03, 2008 21:03:57
    Mollybdamned American Atheist
    Thanks again, I could not agree more with you on this.
  • Mollybd... MadHatter April 02, 2008 19:24:39
    Mollybdamned American Atheist
    Thanks MadHatter, but I am sure they won't want to see that.
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