Is abortion the shame of America?

They have to justify it because to accept it as it really exists, would mean you are immoral.

A central core of liberal psychology seems to be a visceral fear and contempt of reproduction. This is just a theory but I'm thinking maybe it's because their egos can't deal with the concept that they're replaceable.

In you're opinion I must, but to us in developed society I'm actually alright.

You think a society you're living in that butchers it's unborn children is a developed society?
It's what's more accurately known as a dying society.

Not at all, but a society that allows for a woman to terminate a pregnancy before a baby is formed because she is unable to be a parent.

What kind of developed society allows other people to control what an individual can and cannot do. Selective freedom is it?

Unfitness to be a parent is no justification to deny anybody their own life. There's plenty of worthy parents willing to adopt. Callously favor throwing lives away is your idea of selective freedom.

It's not callous. It's logical. Why bring a child into the world for it to live an unhappy life when you could stop it before it even becomes a life.

Tell that to the people who survived abortion.

Yeah sure. That very tiny minuscule group of people. Abortion happens, it's not nice. It's not pretty. But it happens. And it's not your right to decide if someone else should be able to do it.

It's not your right to deny anyone's life.

I know it isn't. Hence why I don't murder actual people. A woman choosing to have an abortion isn't doing this.

You assent to murder by dehumanizing the aborted child as nothing of consequence. Science has clearly established the humanity of the child. Ignoring the facts and defining down someone else's humanity to shield your conscience is the choice of a sociopath.

Science has not done any such thing. I've given you biology to back up my argument. You still haven't told me of anything that actually backs up your version of science.

All I've seen from you is bad science and rationalizations to serve a political agenda. There's only one objective version of science and it confirms the humanity of the conceived child.

By bad science you mean your inability to either understand or accept truth. I'm unsure as of yet which one it is. Probably both.

I'm speaking of the bad science of rationalizing what stage of embryonic life would be most comfortable and convenient according to your moral cowardice to terminate it.

and why exactly is actual science bad? I assume because it devalues everything you believe.

Speak for yourself. Your beliefs have nothing to do with actual science which confirms human life as beginning at conception.

two very different ideas of what life is

The distinction is that yours is based on utilitarian selfishness that's indifferent to human life.

Oh i'm not indifferent to human life, I love people. People are all good hearted. Deep down at least. This debate isn't about human life, there is nothing human about half formed cells.

The only half formed thing around here is your grasp of knowledge. There's no such animal as a half formed cell. Even an amoeba is a complete cell. I'm always amazed at the incredible ignorance of basic biology with most of you pro-choicers who claim to have a sophisticated understanding of science.
A conceived human embryo has his own individual DNA that already determines who he is. You don't really love people if you think nothing of snuffing his life out for convenience.

It's not up to you to judge who will live an unhappy life. It's up to that person whom you would condemn to death to turn his life around for the better. You really are the true despot.

I put forth to you that you really don't understand how the real world works.

(I sense an age reference coming)

Evil is part of how the real world works and I understand it very well. Self comforting platitudes coupled with indifference to others has a lot to do with it. Regardless of any age reference you may be sensing.

Evil is part of the world. It's sad. Some people are more blind to it that they think though.

The most blind to evil are those who feel comfortable in conformity with the establishment opinion against the truth.

Abortion is murder and more then a shame for the USA; an atrocity and a crime against all of us! Those that are for abortion are for murder of the innocent; killing the helpless and playing god even if they are are speaking for it, they are and have a hand in it... Shame we are not pounding the doors down, but corporate america wants blood and population control and blood money that abortion brings! I had met doctor Nathanson and a few of the nurse that worked with him, this was at a time he was working on the abortion film, Silent Cry... He had turned a few that think that taking out a child, a baby in the the first trimester is okay, as it is not a baby, and yet, it has hands and feet and toes and fingers and when they try to abort the little fella he/she tries to avoid the 'killing-machine' that is better then most here that drive cars and seeing to avoid an accident just drive right into one! These kids deserve better, they need to be protected!

Democrats created this for Margret Samger...... Sje wrote a little Tome about the "Final Solution to the Negro" The Democrats were besides them selves with excitement.
You see Planned Parenthood was for aborting Black Babies..to begin with....

Looks like it still is to me.

She spoke before a KKK group that were excited with her "Negro solution" as well.

Like a poster on here said, keep it safe, keep it legal.

Like the woman that Planned Parenthood let die? Legal isn't always safe.

And keep it out of view and polite conversation of the general public. 56 million lives have been extinguished without anybody noticing. That's what's going on in the country where you live.

This is not a political issue, it's personal and a decision between parents, but one a mother must choose to live with for the remainder of her life, that she alone will address when the time comes to meet the "higher power" of her own belief.

The rest of the choir can go hustle money from someone else when attempting to impose guilt through virtue of their own beliefs. They aren't either the combination of egg and spern, nor are they the parents and neither are they the mother.

I get your point but I do disagree. We don't always make the best decisions when we're young.

Abortion is still murder!

Disgusting human beings.......

Dr. Bernard Nathanson, again (with a moving forward by Charlton Heston):