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Iran deploying navy ships close to US waters

Tehran equips marine forces with 'cruise' missile, begins mass production of missiles





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Wednesday, September 28, 2011






The US Navy's newest destroyer, the USS Spruance heads to dock (AP)







Iran has equipped its naval forces with a short range
"cruise missile," able to hit targets in costal areas and warships
within "200 kilometres (125 miles), the country's defence minister was
quoted as saying on Wednesday.


"Today we are witnessing the equipping of the Guards navy and army
navy with ample numbers of the Qader cruise missile," General Ahmad
Vahidi said, quoted by his ministry's website referring to the elite
Revolutionary Guards who are tasked with defending Iranian waters in the
Gulf.


"It has 200 km range and has ability to be launched quickly against
warships and costal targets. It flies in low altitude, has high
destructive power, (and is) lightweight with high precision," he added.


He added that it could be fired from the coast or from vessels of
different classes, increasing considerable the operational ability of
the forces.


The Qader missile was unveiled last month by President Mahmoud
Ahmadinejad, with Iranian officials dubbing it a "cruise missile" built
entirely by local experts. The president said Iran's military arsenal
was defensive, aimed at ensuring the country's "enemies do not dare
attack."


Iran in the past two years has increased development, testing and
unveiling of new "indigenous" military equipment, including missiles.


The Iranian navy recently boosted its presence in international
waters, sending vessels into the Indian Ocean to protect Iranian ships
from Somali pirates.


It also sent two ships into the Mediterranean for the first time in
February, via the Suez Canal, to the annoyance of Israel and the United
States.


Iran's navy commander, Admiral Habibollah Sayari, said on Tuesday
that Iran was planning to deploy ships close to US territorial waters,
without saying when.


Iranian naval forces are mainly composed of small units equipped with
missiles in the Gulf and operating under the control of the
Revolutionary Guards.



He said Iran had begun large-scale production of a
domestically-developed cruise missile designed for sea-based targets and
capable of destroying warships.



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  • Beccy 2012/03/05 02:18:31
    Undecided
    Beccy
    Frankly I am more worried about Russia and China
  • Liz 2011/12/28 05:21:11
    Undecided
    Liz
    This just sounds plain ignorant to me...
  • gibyob 2011/09/30 21:22:18
    Beats the hell out of me
    gibyob
    I doubt they will get very far with the deployement of their ships into our territorial waters. We have a large flotilla in the Atlantic Fleet and serious firepower not to mention all our airpower on the Atlantic Coast.
  • MadAsHEck 2011/09/29 16:05:15
    Undecided
    MadAsHEck
    If you read the article fully, they are going to position them in International Waters, not in our territorial waters. They still however could be close enough to launch missiles into the US territory.

    They reason that we are doing the same thing near their nation.

    But bottom line is that Achmenidjad is not the one having the final say, and the Clerics that are really in charge of the military may decide that it is too risky. And the clerics and Achmenidjad are not getting along well lately, and he may dissapear if he keeps ticking them off.

    We stand a worse chance of problems with China's navy which is larger than ours now, and highly technically advanced. Especially their Missile Sub Flet. We are down to about 268 ships afloat, where about 20 years ago we had about 700. Many of which are overdue for O &R;, but funding is not there to take care of them.

    "One important benefit of U.S. military power in Asia is countering China’s rising assertiveness, Mr. McKeon said, noting that China’s navy is now larger than the U.S. Navy and is being dispatched “into the territorial waters of our allies,” in order to “intimidate our friends in the Pacific Rim.”
  • taitaFalcon23 2011/09/29 14:12:11
    All of the above
    taitaFalcon23
    don't fall for how it sounds; keep aware of what it is... this is a combo of Iranian sh*t stirring and a willing mainstream media to give them a microphone while they're doing it. There military capability is around our late '50's pre Vietnam capability... Have faith in our blue water navy, to kick some prodigious *ss, if necessary.
  • MadAsHEck taitaFa... 2011/09/29 16:14:27
    MadAsHEck
    That was then, this is now. Ours is no longer the largest Navy, nor the most Techie Navy. We have a total of about 268 ships afloat. Down from about 700 some years ago.

    Sorry to say, but it's fact.
    http://www.washingtontimes.co...
  • taitaFa... MadAsHEck 2011/09/29 19:54:23 (edited)
    taitaFalcon23
    there is a reason that China and Soviet Union and all the rest of the world gives us a wide berth... we have just shy of 300 ships. But our ships are built with the philosophy of being 'force multipliers. We don't have 700 ships because we dont NEED 700 ships. There is more to having a bunch of ships with cool computer games on board. We have the best Command and Control systems to go with them. The Soviets gave up because they tried to equip their blue-water navy like they equip their land armies. Most of their ships are mothballed; and the Chinese are still playing catchup. If you look at our ship design with the layman's eye, you'd assume they're not too capable. But in fact are the deadliest ships we've ever made. Most of their armament is not even in view. We don't jave battleships because our cruisers are much more deadly than any BB we've ever designed.

    We routinely cruise their backyards and they don't/can't do much about it. As, a not too long ago, intelligence analyst and doctrine writer, I am aware of what a significant international power is capable of. We are cut to the bone more so than I am personally comfortable with. But to get an idea of our own power, Jane's Defence books (unclassified), gives a pretty good assessment and Iran is so junior to us as to be almost laughable, except any potential threat should be given the respect it deserves
  • MadAsHEck taitaFa... 2011/09/30 19:35:53
    MadAsHEck
    Been looking at the Chinese thing lately? They are becoming more agressive all the time, and have approached some of our planes lately as they did to the Patrol Plane they forced to land some yrars ago. They are also ticked off at us for selling Taiwan more jets.

    Plus have a Carrier Task force recently launched that is cruising in their area of influence. and near Taiwan. It may be an old carrier that was rebuilt, but seems to be brought up to date.

    Are you aware that Iran has been experimenting with EMP attacks from Cargo ships? And China is developing, and already may have perfected, EMP and Laser devices that can cripple an entire fleet?

    We have our fleet spread so thin, that it's pathetic. I talk to some of my Navy buddies, and they say that the Budget cuts are brutal. When a Ship of the line has to abort a mission for "Undisclosed Maintenance Problems" we have a problem. Especially when the O&R for it is about 3 years behind. When we have reduced our ASW patrols by about 60%, we have a problem. When there is a suspicion that a Chinese Sub may have launched a missile off the coast of California a few months ago. Even though they say it may have been a contrail is the explanation. We have a problem.
  • taitaFa... MadAsHEck 2011/10/03 02:56:06
    taitaFalcon23
    Without a doubt, the Chinese military bears watching; but it's not panic time - not by a long shot. We've proved over and over that the most powerful weapon only has so much utilitity without a comand and control structure to go with it. Our command and control has so many layers of, in and out of atmosphere integration, that there is virtually nowhere our 'enemy' can go and we don't know about it and when. The Chinese have launched a fairly modernized version of our mid-50's to mid-60's style carrier with 21st century ighters and electronics to our 10+ modernized or newly launched carriers. Also arrayed against them is our layer of nuke subs, attack subs, global response capable cruisers, a 250+ strong Navy air force. The sheer numbers alone make it's flag ship's threat only theoretical. And we haven't even discussed our AWACS or DSP sat assets. We stil have not even engage our strategic and tactical Air Force systems either. The Chinese may choose to enter a weapons race with the west but that would run counter to the recent and 70 yr old outlook on their place in the world. The will find very quickly why the Soviets gracefully conceded our headstart in the 80's' because in addtion to our assets, we still have international friends with neat toys who still owe us favors. In order to deploy any weapon at any time - there has to be a 'signature'. In short, that ship would be destroyed while they're still discussing what 'bad things' they could do with it.
  • MadAsHEck taitaFa... 2011/10/03 03:20:40
    MadAsHEck
    Your rant is hard to read. But bottom line is that it is wishful thinking. And not as correct as you would like to believe. China has a Navy bigger than ours, and trhe largest standing army in the world. Both equipped as well as anything we have, and getting better all the time.

    Where over the past years, we have reduced our Defense Budget, China has forged ahead both with funding and techonolgy. And they are now testing and preparing to drive us out of their area of influence.
  • taitaFa... MadAsHEck 2011/10/03 03:47:05
    taitaFalcon23
    My reply is not a rant. it is logic built on years of analysis and access to professionally derived data. It is not hard to read for those who understand it. Both the Soviets and the US have learned that 'bigger' is not better. Smarter is better. The size of their Navy has a negligible affect on our capabilities. It's amazing that open source mis-information is gospel that trumps efforts tens of thousands of our professionally engaged analysts. We have a House and Senate Arms committee who's job it is to assess our capabliities against our potential enemy capability. In order to explain more, we'd have to go classified. Their is a reason we have changed how, what and how much we spend of defense. There are unclassifed CIA assessments annually that discuss those issues. The classified version is much more fun - but good luck getting your hands on that capabilities estimate. Study more, get up to speed. You think it's wishful thinking because you don't understand US capablilities.
  • MadAsHEck taitaFa... 2011/10/03 04:14:16 (edited)
    MadAsHEck
    Good for you. My contacts say different, but what would they know. they are the ones in Harms way. Working with equipment that is outdated, and often lacking repair parts.

    When a Carrier task force has to abort a mission, due to "Undisclosed Maintenance Issues" and return to port, there is a problem. And noiw the budget is going to be reduced by many billions more. While China is devoting even more of their GDP to their military? Get real.

    Lots of folks in the government do not agree with you, but what do they know?

    Military cuts a problem
    http://www.washingtontimes.co...

    http://www.newsmax.com/Inside...

    http://www.washingtontimes.co...

    One important benefit of U.S. military power in Asia is countering China’s rising assertiveness, Mr. McKeon said, noting that China’s navy is now larger than the U.S. Navy and is being dispatched “into the territorial waters of our allies,” in order to “intimidate our friends in the Pacific Rim.”
  • taitaFa... MadAsHEck 2011/10/03 15:00:48
    taitaFalcon23
    Anecdotal information has it's own value and I don't, won't argue that it doesn't. But it is too large for any one person to have a bird's eye view of the situation. That is why the President recieves an intelligence brief EVERY morning, before he's had his 1st glass of juice.

    I have 2 sons, one that gives THE intelligence brief to a 2 star general 5 days a week and on call for the other 2. It is up to him and his team to give the general an accurate brief to pass the data to eventually the President of the United States. I have another son with 5+ years of encountering and fighting pirates in Africa and South America - both countries with heavy Chinese influence. He keeps me apprised of Naval capability - strategic and tactical. He is not a decision maker but he's been shot at with Chinese built small weapons. Knowing his threat has always been at least a concern to him. Guess what...? That is only anecdotal information. A strategic brief is always necessary to understand what the picture really looks like.

    The issues faced by the military services are not new and have been around since we've been a nation. NEWS FLASH: Our military has to deal with operational issues 24/7. There is rarely an 'abort' of a carrier task force's mission. There are 'issues' with every deployme...





    Anecdotal information has it's own value and I don't, won't argue that it doesn't. But it is too large for any one person to have a bird's eye view of the situation. That is why the President recieves an intelligence brief EVERY morning, before he's had his 1st glass of juice.

    I have 2 sons, one that gives THE intelligence brief to a 2 star general 5 days a week and on call for the other 2. It is up to him and his team to give the general an accurate brief to pass the data to eventually the President of the United States. I have another son with 5+ years of encountering and fighting pirates in Africa and South America - both countries with heavy Chinese influence. He keeps me apprised of Naval capability - strategic and tactical. He is not a decision maker but he's been shot at with Chinese built small weapons. Knowing his threat has always been at least a concern to him. Guess what...? That is only anecdotal information. A strategic brief is always necessary to understand what the picture really looks like.

    The issues faced by the military services are not new and have been around since we've been a nation. NEWS FLASH: Our military has to deal with operational issues 24/7. There is rarely an 'abort' of a carrier task force's mission. There are 'issues' with every deployment - with 60-70 ships, 100 planes , and tens of thousands of personnel all affected by political concerns or shifting requirements - you should be worried when there is NOT a problem to resolve. Because of the sheer number of moving parts, communicative requirements and logistics, there is always a 'hitch. I encountered some the same sorts of 'issues' with my time as a crewmember on our Space Shuttle program. That too is anecdotal information.

    We never have 'enough' planes, ships guns, ammo, food, nor personnel. I don't discount reports that are distressing to decision makers but with 30 + yrs in the business, you run into reports everyday that have conflicting conclusions. The one fact that always remains, is how brave and competent our military personnel are each and every day. But you want a true blue water navy, you get blue water navy problems.

    While most American were blissfully unaware of the Chinese and Soviet navies flexing their 'power' all thru the cold wars since the 1950's, there were many in the 1% of those able and willing to join he military who saw and were aware. This new development is just a new fact to keep track of along the many others. We've had Soviet and Chinese warships and airplanes off our coast (less than 100 miles) and patrolling for intellgence data everyay since the 50's, including response times to fake alerts and/or notifications.

    However, 1 Chinese carrier with novice experience to deploy worldwide with the ability to beat a western superpower with 10 carriers and 70 yrs + experience in their deployement, actual battles and response to global conflict, is a new threat to pay its due attention to, but not a game changer.
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  • BHGOzzy 2011/09/29 10:10:02
    Undecided
    BHGOzzy
    So long as they're in international waters, nothing can be done about it... unless of course they flip a missile our way, in which case we're authorized to go to war with them.
  • Katherine 2011/09/29 08:18:46
    Our gov. is allowing too much, never let your gaurd down
    Katherine
    +1
    Our government is helping our enemies... Well, according to our government, *we're* the enemies....
  • CUDDLY BUT STILL CRABBY 2011/09/29 07:24:23
    Our gov. is allowing too much, never let your gaurd down
    CUDDLY BUT STILL CRABBY
    +1
    The world recognizes that the USA has a weakling and wuss for a US President. Iran could lob a cruise missle(s) at US targets and would not get a response since Obama and his entourage are too busy deconstructing America and running for re-election.

    There are no countries afraid of the USA anymore because Obama is recognized as an incredibly weak president and will only attempt to be they're friend no matter what they pull for stunts against us.

    We are in a very dangerous position as a sovereign Nation.

    But elections have consequences. The people that voted for him will be just as eligible to get killed as any of the rest of us. With cruise missles and nukes, there are is no special protected class.
  • atomikmom 2011/09/29 04:37:51
    Our gov. is allowing too much, never let your gaurd down
    atomikmom
    +2
    I f we dared to do that in Iran's water, we would be blown to Kingdom Come.They already put 2 American's in prison in their country, and they didn't even do anything wrong.
  • taitaFa... atomikmom 2011/10/03 17:09:49
    taitaFalcon23
    I'm sorry, but your statements above are incorrrect. Our US navy plays 'chicken' 24/7 in the Persian Gulf and other places around the world; and have been doing so for more than a 100 years. Iran would not 'lob' a missle our way because our commanders have standing orders to stop the threat and defend themselves - in that order. Those Primary orders are signed by the new POTUS within 48 hrs after his inaugaration. They carry the POTUS's secondary orders as necessary when and if needed, regardless of who is President.

    Civilian matters in some other sovereign nation is a different matter and best left to diplomats. People who voted for this and any other President have and do live with their voting decisions. I Served under 6 Presidents and although I have voted republican I am officially a democrat - it's attention to duty and not a popularity contest that service members respond to. We have a global mission that most often involves being the top cop on the beat. There are issues that happen over the 'red phone' and there are issues played out in media. Nobody dares to go toe to toe with the US because we're very experienced at winning bar fights. They know this... it's the people within the US that our enemies manipulate. The world operates as it does with some very crucial ...
    I'm sorry, but your statements above are incorrrect. Our US navy plays 'chicken' 24/7 in the Persian Gulf and other places around the world; and have been doing so for more than a 100 years. Iran would not 'lob' a missle our way because our commanders have standing orders to stop the threat and defend themselves - in that order. Those Primary orders are signed by the new POTUS within 48 hrs after his inaugaration. They carry the POTUS's secondary orders as necessary when and if needed, regardless of who is President.

    Civilian matters in some other sovereign nation is a different matter and best left to diplomats. People who voted for this and any other President have and do live with their voting decisions. I Served under 6 Presidents and although I have voted republican I am officially a democrat - it's attention to duty and not a popularity contest that service members respond to. We have a global mission that most often involves being the top cop on the beat. There are issues that happen over the 'red phone' and there are issues played out in media. Nobody dares to go toe to toe with the US because we're very experienced at winning bar fights. They know this... it's the people within the US that our enemies manipulate. The world operates as it does with some very crucial understandings and relationships. There is a reason China has not just gone and taken superpower control of US interests in the Pacific yet. But it must be born in mind that absolute resistance to the Vietnam war was not until the revelations of My Lai and the Tet offensive; the lesson around the world was that the US could be beat by it's own people.
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  • Patriot Unit 2011/09/28 22:21:26
    All of the above
    Patriot Unit
    Well, they are doing nothing to keep them from going Nuclear, they did nothing in preventing them from going off the cost of Israel, and now they will do nothing in keeping them out of our waters.
  • taitaFa... Patriot... 2011/10/03 17:13:35
    taitaFalcon23
    +1
    we have the internationally recognized buffer area of 12 miles off our coast. If Iranian or any other nations ships are beyond those borders, they have legal right to be there as they are and have been 24/7 for the last 50 yrs.
  • Pete 2011/09/28 21:46:55
    Our gov. is allowing too much, never let your gaurd down
    Pete
    I think it's time to sink the SOB's and give them $45.00 apiece for salvage!
  • WOJO 2011/09/28 19:51:54
    Our gov. is allowing too much, never let your gaurd down
    WOJO
    +3
    What we need is a president with some "BALLS"! This guy is nothing more than a community organizer want-a-be leader.........
  • taitaFa... WOJO 2011/09/29 14:15:17
    taitaFalcon23
    +1
    that's what OBL last thoughts were... "oh my allah; I got my *ss kicked by a community organizer!"
  • sbtbill 2011/09/28 19:27:36
    Undecided
    sbtbill
    +2
    Iran has the right to sail anywhere they want. The can even make a "friendly" port stop in the US or sail around 200 miles off shore for months. We do it all the time why shouldn't they?

    As to missiles, they are a soverign state so they have the right to have them.
  • dlsofsetx 2011/09/28 19:21:14
    All of the above
    dlsofsetx
    Carter threw the Shah,who was an ally,under the bus.Now Obama snubs the dissidents in Iran & allows their ships here.
  • maggiemay 2011/09/28 19:17:01
    Beats the hell out of me
    maggiemay
    +2
    International waters. Can't stop them. If they get over that then our Navy will take care of them. Maybe they want to hurry, and get to their 70 some virgins.
  • MadAsHEck maggiemay 2011/09/29 16:18:55
    MadAsHEck
    Do some research. Our Navy is getting a bit short on funding, and operating on a shoestring budget. And it is getting worse all the time. But when you havae a president that thinks you can talk your way out of problems, and has a low opinion of the military, what can you expect?

    Military cuts a problem
    http://www.washingtontimes.co...

    http://www.washingtontimes.co...
  • maggiemay MadAsHEck 2011/09/29 17:00:43
    maggiemay
    +2
    I have a brother in law who is career Navy. I know more then you think I do.
  • MadAsHEck maggiemay 2011/10/03 17:44:54
    MadAsHEck
    I work with Navy folks on a regular basis, and have friends based within 50 miles that I see all the time. Been on a Navy ship lately? I have, and they are pretty neat, but some are showing signs of wear. Ships built in the Regan years which was a long time ago,
  • taitaFa... MadAsHEck 2011/10/03 17:31:54
    taitaFalcon23
    the president does not fund anything- Congress does...
  • MadAsHEck taitaFa... 2011/10/03 17:54:45
    MadAsHEck
    The Commander in Chief and DOD present the Defense Budget to congress. All 3 lowering in over the past years. Shutting down some programs that reduce our readiness and capabilities.

    The F-35 program is one example. And the replacement for the C-130 that was on the table replacing Vietnam era planes. The Marine Corps' Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle,
  • taitaFa... MadAsHEck 2011/10/03 18:37:35
    taitaFalcon23
    Correct the CnC proposes; congress approves any funding.. The US military is undergoing a pre-planned reduction of mission, materiel and personnel. The f-35 is a white whale of a program. We would be doing this 'weight' reduction, reset of global mission and address our logistics issueS, regardless of who was POTUS. All this is done under a document that is classified but basically asks the questions; what do we not do well? What can we do about it? how long will it take? what are our capabiities to meet the threat; etc. We've been facing these issues for over 100 years; the military is good at asking those kinds of questions. We are several generations deep of logistically keeping our military forces ready and capable beyond Vietnam war capablities. What I am saying is that, while it is relevant to ask follow -on questions, we also pay a long list of personnel who's profession is worrying about the state of our military .
  • MadAsHEck taitaFa... 2011/10/03 19:18:42 (edited)
    MadAsHEck
    By the way Russia has in production a Fighter Bomber, that exceeds the capabilioties of our latest Fighter. Which the F-35 was supposed to counter. It has the capability of stopping in mid air and remain stable and controllable. And they are selling them to other countries. China has recently gone into production with a Stealth fighter that is pretty impressive.

    But of course you have your opinions, and I mine. And I talk to a lot of Military folk. I visit a relative living in AZ, who when I go there we associate with some AF fighter pilots at the Luke AFB "O" Club. And even they say our present AF fleet is falling apart. Maintenance is a bitch, and many times more planes are down for maintenance than are flight ready.

    And that pre planning is based on a forecast of what our mission will be in 2014, when wupposedly we will be out of Afghanistan, and Iraq. Pie in the sky planning that makes things look good on paper, but????

    I as well could say that my personal budget will be better in 2014 when my Car is paid off. But suppose it blows up in 2013 and has to be replaced, and with inflation, the payments are going to be higher. Looks good today on paper, But??
  • taitaFa... MadAsHEck 2011/10/03 19:47:56
    taitaFalcon23
    the armaments business is pretty complicated and usually a weapon system only answers one question at a time. I believe you're referring to the Sukhoi SU 34. Plane for plane - the Su-34 is a possible tactical solution to what would most likely be a strategic problem. A fleet of SU-34s could do little against a fleet of air superiority aircraft like the f-15, e, g, and h model aircraft and that's just our air force. We still have AWACS, F111 counter measure electronics fighters and we also have space borne assets that can detect afterburners on aircraft takeoff before the Russian fighter has even entered the fight. Being concerned is not the same as being defeated. It would be the height of foolishness not to take issues into account; I'm just saying that the time to panic is not right now. Head to head, the su-34 could pose a worthy adversary; assuming the base it would launch from could survive a B1, B2, or F-15E attack 24/7. Strategically, the way to defeat a superior aircraft is to not take it headon. The best fighter in the world is useless when the runway it launches from has been cut in two night after night by steallth bombers or a squadron of good 'ole B-52's that take out a gridsquare at a time on one of their bomb runs. The Russian plane sounds like a good one... but...
    the armaments business is pretty complicated and usually a weapon system only answers one question at a time. I believe you're referring to the Sukhoi SU 34. Plane for plane - the Su-34 is a possible tactical solution to what would most likely be a strategic problem. A fleet of SU-34s could do little against a fleet of air superiority aircraft like the f-15, e, g, and h model aircraft and that's just our air force. We still have AWACS, F111 counter measure electronics fighters and we also have space borne assets that can detect afterburners on aircraft takeoff before the Russian fighter has even entered the fight. Being concerned is not the same as being defeated. It would be the height of foolishness not to take issues into account; I'm just saying that the time to panic is not right now. Head to head, the su-34 could pose a worthy adversary; assuming the base it would launch from could survive a B1, B2, or F-15E attack 24/7. Strategically, the way to defeat a superior aircraft is to not take it headon. The best fighter in the world is useless when the runway it launches from has been cut in two night after night by steallth bombers or a squadron of good 'ole B-52's that take out a gridsquare at a time on one of their bomb runs. The Russian plane sounds like a good one... but modern airwar is more than a good plane. It takes a system to best utilize them. We've alway had problems keeping our military afloat - we drop one aircraft a week between all of our services. I know this -so I don't mean to say there should be no concern; it's just best to realize that there are many good and competent professional who share your concern.
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  • MadAsHEck taitaFa... 2011/10/03 19:52:26 (edited)
    MadAsHEck
    Yup! Ant they are not getting the tools that that they should due to budget constraints. Which is what the entire conversaton was saying to begin with.
  • taitaFa... MadAsHEck 2011/10/03 21:51:11
    taitaFalcon23
    well, I think there is a added element. besides the Iranians gaining weapons and the ego to go patrolling our coastline, there is also the issue of what a true threat that will be in relation to our capabilities outside of a propaganda news item. My contention is that they pose virtually no real threat at all. Therefore a knee-jerk response from us is not necessary - along with the expense.
  • MadAsHEck taitaFa... 2011/10/03 22:18:07
    MadAsHEck
    The radical Shiite regime has conducted successful tests to determine if its Shahab-3 ballistic missiles, capable of carrying a nuclear warhead, can be detonated by a remote-control device while still in high-altitude flight, Graham said in his report.

    Graham said then there was no other plausible explanation for such tests than preparation for the deployment of electromagnetic pulse weapons – even one of which could knock out America's critical electrical and technological infrastructure, effectively sending the continental U.S. back to the 19th century with a recovery time of months or years.

    Iran would have that capability – at least theoretically – as soon as it has one nuclear bomb ready to arm such a missile.

    And that jerk Cheney as the libs call him.

    http://www.newsmax.com/Inside...
  • taitaFa... MadAsHEck 2011/10/03 23:35:44
    taitaFalcon23
    I have no doubts that the Iranians and as it turns out the Pakistanis have less than honorable intentions toward the US. But now is not the time to lose faith in our military capability. A 1960's style weapon sytem with a highly detectable launch system to go with it is not truly a threat. Now if conservos, want to talk budget cuts to shrink govt, the sword cuts both ways. If grandma has to cut back on her nightly ration of dog food, then the military is going to have to make do as well. The essential elements of our govt is shielded by miles of EMP proof rock as is AF1 - which serves as a flying White House. If we are so concerned - we (Reps, Dems and Independents) need to get off this man's back and let him do his job. The current trend is to 'break' everything that may have a positive outcome for this President, hence his foreign relation successes. He dosen't need to go thru Cantor and Boehner to exterminate the OBL's of the world. OBL would still be alive if he had to go thru those guys.
  • Don 2011/09/28 19:09:51
    All of the above
    Don
    I believe they will stay in International Waters.
    Entering our territorial waters will earn them a free ticket to be red mist.
  • davyd god loving patriot 2011/09/28 18:19:07
    Our gov. is allowing too much, never let your gaurd down
    davyd god loving patriot
    +2
    this is how the democrats treat Americans, remember obamacare

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