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Iran Not Making WMD

Southern Man 2012/08/09 20:32:22
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US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta Admits Iran Not Making Nuclear Weapons


Today
a new intelligence report was released that says Iran is much closer to
developing a nuclear bomb than previously thought.I think we should
hold both Leon Panetta and Obama responsible for pussyfooting on this
issue.

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  • ★Calliope★ 2012/08/09 20:35:57
    0bama is to Blame
    ★Calliope★
    +8
    But it's going to be a song and dance and blaming Bush etc..

    Same old crap with Obama. It's never his fault. He's inherited the problem.

    He inherited Iran. Right?

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  • PDenoli 2012/08/15 21:06:01
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    PDenoli
    I think it doesn't matter what I think.

    Right now, I don't believe the US people would support a preemptive strike against Iran for any reason. Period. Iran could be building nukes in the middle of Tehran with guided tours and the US people as a whole would shrug. Okay... okay... maybe not shrug, but the people who demanded that we "do something" would be vastly eclipsed by those who demand we "do nothing".

    I also question the ability of the political leadership in this country to effectively apply the instruments of economic, political and military power... and the wisdom to recognize when to use which. They don't get it. Neither party is bringing the A game. And I'd really like to see Congress stop passing the buck and actually declare a war. Putting it on Bush or Obama or whoever's next is just chicken-#@$. Vote yes or vote no, but acts of war should be approved by the people and not just the CIC.

    I think there are two credible paths forward... Either we allow Israel to deal with this and give them passive support... or we go "all-in" on the covert side of things.

    If we go covert (and won't be for long) it should be with the following goals: 1) Take the regime down; 2) Sabotage weapons sites; 3) Assassinate anyone with specialized technical knowledge in the coun...



    I think it doesn't matter what I think.

    Right now, I don't believe the US people would support a preemptive strike against Iran for any reason. Period. Iran could be building nukes in the middle of Tehran with guided tours and the US people as a whole would shrug. Okay... okay... maybe not shrug, but the people who demanded that we "do something" would be vastly eclipsed by those who demand we "do nothing".

    I also question the ability of the political leadership in this country to effectively apply the instruments of economic, political and military power... and the wisdom to recognize when to use which. They don't get it. Neither party is bringing the A game. And I'd really like to see Congress stop passing the buck and actually declare a war. Putting it on Bush or Obama or whoever's next is just chicken-#@$. Vote yes or vote no, but acts of war should be approved by the people and not just the CIC.

    I think there are two credible paths forward... Either we allow Israel to deal with this and give them passive support... or we go "all-in" on the covert side of things.

    If we go covert (and won't be for long) it should be with the following goals: 1) Take the regime down; 2) Sabotage weapons sites; 3) Assassinate anyone with specialized technical knowledge in the country; 4) Identify, isolate and destroy Tehran-sponsored cells around the world; and then 5) You support the regime replaces the one you took out... but only as long as they don't go down the same path.

    It's not pretty, but it keeps you out of putting large numbers of troops on the ground.

    My opinion.
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  • ☆stillthe12c☆ 2012/08/10 03:43:12
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    ☆stillthe12c☆
    +2
    I think they new the progress all along. Obama hates Israel.
  • lee 2012/08/10 00:18:47 (edited)
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    lee
    +2
    your message here is muddled.

    are you saying we should be doing MORE to stop Iran from building nuclear weapons which you admit they are not building?

    i don't get it... what do you want?
  • Souther... lee 2012/08/10 12:05:44 (edited)
    Southern Man
    +1
    Go Troll one of the libtard polls
  • lee Souther... 2012/08/10 16:54:13
    lee
    +1
    well that clears it up...

    ???
  • Texas Johnny 2012/08/09 22:25:49
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    Texas Johnny
    +2
    Obama is distancing himself from the "axis of evil" thing of G.W. so he is going to appear as the peace maker by simply ignoring the Iranian problem. I think the Iranians will try to nuke Israel and then Pantetta and Obama are gonna eat some crow.
  • ★Calliope★ Texas J... 2012/08/10 06:10:04
    ★Calliope★
    +1
    That's exactly what Obama's been doing.

    I don't think Israel is going to sit around and wait for an Iranian attack. Achmidinajad has made it abundantly clear, the ones that worship on Saturday are 1st, then they go after those that worship on Sunday. Israel knows it's eminent and also know while Obama is in power here - we won't do dick as an ally. They are on their own in an crazy, ugly part of the world, with waning European support, tepid support at best from the US..

    It's not a pretty picture there.
  • Texas J... ★Calliope★ 2012/08/11 22:02:07
    Texas Johnny
    +1
    Sorry to hear that. Israel deserves better.
  • ★Calliope★ Texas J... 2012/08/11 22:32:38
    ★Calliope★
    +1
    They do, they really do!
  • chicago 2012/08/09 22:16:02 (edited)
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    chicago
    +2
    QUESTION from 2008 debate: Should the United States respect Pakistani sovereignty and not pursue al Qaeda terrorists who maintain bases there, or should we ignore their borders and pursue our enemies like we did in Cambodia during the Vietnam War?

    One candidate:
    "They are now raiding our troops in Afghanistan, destabilizing the situation. They're stronger now than at any time since 2001. And that's why I think it's so important for us to reverse course, because that's the central front on terrorism.

    They are plotting to kill Americans right now. As Secretary Gates, the defense secretary, said, the war against terrorism began in that region and that's where it will end. So part of the reason I think it's so important for us to end the war in Iraq is to be able to get more troops into Afghanistan, put more pressure on the Afghan government to do what it needs to do, eliminate some of the drug trafficking that's funding terrorism.

    And if we have Osama bin Laden in our sights and the Pakistani government is unable or unwilling to take them out, then I think that we have to act and we will take them out. We will kill bin Laden; we will crush Al Qaeda. That has to be our biggest national security priority."

    Other candidate:
    "He said he wants to announce that he's going to attack Pakistan....









    QUESTION from 2008 debate: Should the United States respect Pakistani sovereignty and not pursue al Qaeda terrorists who maintain bases there, or should we ignore their borders and pursue our enemies like we did in Cambodia during the Vietnam War?

    One candidate:
    "They are now raiding our troops in Afghanistan, destabilizing the situation. They're stronger now than at any time since 2001. And that's why I think it's so important for us to reverse course, because that's the central front on terrorism.

    They are plotting to kill Americans right now. As Secretary Gates, the defense secretary, said, the war against terrorism began in that region and that's where it will end. So part of the reason I think it's so important for us to end the war in Iraq is to be able to get more troops into Afghanistan, put more pressure on the Afghan government to do what it needs to do, eliminate some of the drug trafficking that's funding terrorism.

    And if we have Osama bin Laden in our sights and the Pakistani government is unable or unwilling to take them out, then I think that we have to act and we will take them out. We will kill bin Laden; we will crush Al Qaeda. That has to be our biggest national security priority."

    Other candidate:
    "He said he wants to announce that he's going to attack Pakistan. Remarkable.
    You know, if you are a country and you're trying to gain the support of another country, then you want to do everything you can that they would act in a cooperative fashion.

    When you announce that you're going to launch an attack into another country, it's pretty obvious that you have the effect that it had in Pakistan: It turns public opinion against us.
    Now, our relations with Pakistan are critical, because the border areas are being used as safe havens by the Taliban and Al Qaeda and other extremist organizations, and we have to get their support.

    We need to help the Pakistani government go into Waziristan, where I visited, a very rough country, and -- and get the support of the people, and get them to work with us and turn against the cruel Taliban and others.

    And by working and coordinating our efforts together, not threatening to attack them, but working with them, and where necessary use force, but talk softly, but carry a big stick."

    Who would you vote for?
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  • ★Calliope★ chicago 2012/08/10 06:13:12
    ★Calliope★
    +1
    Not the first one.
  • chicago ★Calliope★ 2012/08/10 14:52:13
    chicago
    +1
    Darn right! Sure as hell don't vote for the guy who said what he'd do, then did it!
  • jimmy d 2012/08/09 22:04:02 (edited)
    0bama is to Blame
    jimmy d
    +2
    Just like osama bin laden planning for 9/11 all those years under slick willy clinton; ahmadinejad will have to be dealt with by a real American president that actually leads and believes in America's true principles and values. BHO HAS GOT TO GO
  • dubbie 2012/08/09 22:00:46
    0bama is to Blame
    dubbie
    +3
    What next ? We didn't know , Too many lives are at stake, to be guessing Do they have to see how it works before something is done? Oh but we dont want to offend
  • Demonic Rat Hunter 2012/08/09 21:50:37
    0bama is to Blame
    Demonic Rat Hunter
    +6
    Any Idiot knows Iran is after the bomb and they will use it. Quit playing nice with their muzzy butts. nuke iran
  • Souther... Demonic... 2012/08/10 12:07:22
    Southern Man
    +1
    You got that right
  • Maddog 2012/08/09 21:31:44 (edited)
    0bama is to Blame
    Maddog
    +5
    Obama is a weak president, and the leaders of Iran are cognizant of this. They are also savvy enough to know that Obama will do nothing before November, which gives the Iranians a window of opportunity for aggression...and then there's the Israeli wild card. A conflagration in the Middle East would send oil prices through the roof and really mess up Obama's chances for reelection.

    middle east send oil prices roof mess obamas chances reelection

    middle east send oil prices roof mess obamas chances reelection

    middle east send oil prices roof mess obamas chances reelection
  • ed 2012/08/09 21:06:57
    0bama is to Blame
    ed
    +3
    if they aren't then they must be making either plastic easter eggs or plastic statues of Bin Laden to sell on the street corners.
  • Icono1 2012/08/09 20:53:06
    Bush did it
    Icono1
    +5
    According to 0bie everything is Bush's fault.
  • ☆stillt... Icono1 2012/08/10 06:09:20
    ☆stillthe12c☆
    +2
    I do not think he ever heard of Truman.
  • JMCC 2012/08/09 20:43:14
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    JMCC
    +2
    Every country in the world is concerned about how they will generate energy in the 21st Century, why should Iran be any different?

    Countries also are notorious about keeping the size of their oil reserves secret for economic reasons.,.

    I believe that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is not insane and that he is more than aware that the MAD (mutually assured destruction) protocol still applies and that should a device be used against Israel, that the retaliation from the International community would be horrific.
  • Delicio... JMCC 2012/08/09 22:49:10
    Delicious Crab Meat
    +2
    Thank you for being sane.
  • ★Calliope★ JMCC 2012/08/10 06:35:13
    ★Calliope★
    +3
    Ahmadinejad is a 12er. Perhaps you would do well to look that up.

    It should also be noted Ahmadinejad has already stated many times his intent with regard to Israel.

    Obama's thought -
    “Israel, a small country of less than eight million people, looks out at a world where leaders of much larger nations threaten to wipe it off of the map.”
    — President Obama, speech to the U.N. General Assembly, September 21, 2011

    There has been a lot of controversy about the phrase translation of "wipe off the face of the map" which was repeated by Ahmadinejad as he quoted Khamenei. Khamenei has made it abundantly clear that he harbors a rabid hatred for Israel.

    Iran sponsors terror. No one disputes that. A state that sponsors terrorism. Think about that for a moment, would you? Iran has parked over 70,000 rockets via terrorist organizations on the border of Israel. That's not fiction. That's fact. Ahmadinejad stated "... "the annihilation of the Zionist regime is the key for solving the world problems.".." The chief of staff of the Iranian military recently stated, "the Iranian nation stands for the full annihilation of Israel." Google it. There are multiple sources. If you don't believe Iran will be a nuclear threat, why not? Do you not hear their own words?

    Is that terrorist su...
    Ahmadinejad is a 12er. Perhaps you would do well to look that up.

    It should also be noted Ahmadinejad has already stated many times his intent with regard to Israel.


    Obama's thought -
    “Israel, a small country of less than eight million people, looks out at a world where leaders of much larger nations threaten to wipe it off of the map.”
    — President Obama, speech to the U.N. General Assembly, September 21, 2011

    There has been a lot of controversy about the phrase translation of "wipe off the face of the map" which was repeated by Ahmadinejad as he quoted Khamenei. Khamenei has made it abundantly clear that he harbors a rabid hatred for Israel.

    Iran sponsors terror. No one disputes that. A state that sponsors terrorism. Think about that for a moment, would you? Iran has parked over 70,000 rockets via terrorist organizations on the border of Israel. That's not fiction. That's fact. Ahmadinejad stated "... "the annihilation of the Zionist regime is the key for solving the world problems.".." The chief of staff of the Iranian military recently stated, "the Iranian nation stands for the full annihilation of Israel." Google it. There are multiple sources. If you don't believe Iran will be a nuclear threat, why not? Do you not hear their own words?

    Is that terrorist supplying state someone that would act prudently with a nuclear weapon? What about just the dirty old nuclear waste? Do you really think that government, an entity, that Jew hating country, for pete's sake wouldn't lob a dirty bomb at Israel? No one can be that naive.
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  • JMCC ★Calliope★ 2012/08/10 10:03:03 (edited)
    JMCC
    +2
    There are an awful lot of people (including many Jews) out there that mourn the fact that before the creation of the state of Israel, that Christians, Jews and Muslims lived side by side in the middle east in relative peace..

    It is said that "behaviour breeds behaviour", and is it is also believed that tensions in that region will never subside in an atmosphere of distrust, secrecy and paranoia.
  • maggiemay JMCC 2012/08/10 07:02:04
    maggiemay
    +1
    Isn't that kinda like calling the cops, and they say call us back after you're dead.
  • JMCC maggiemay 2012/08/10 10:10:53
    JMCC
    +2
    Not at all, one solution to this situation would be for the west to oversee their nuclear program. rather than being adamant that they should not have one.

    There are many security agencies and specialist (including an Israeli one) who have stated publicly that the Iranian nuclear program to be an non weaponised one - but they go largely unheard as it does not fit the agenda of others for the middle east.

    At the moment the world of Islam is largely unsupportive of their few radicals, but if we attack Iran, I suspect it would trigger a world wide conflict,
  • maggiemay JMCC 2012/08/10 17:48:54
    maggiemay
    +1
    What do you know of the Mahdi? You say that Ahmadinejad is not insane. No he is not insane in the pure sense. He is a religious nut which makes him more dangerous then an insane person.
    No one wants another war. One we can't afford another one, and two we are war weary. The difference is we respect life. Ahmadinejad can't wait for death.
  • JMCC maggiemay 2012/08/10 17:51:05
    JMCC
    The security services don't believe that...
  • maggiemay JMCC 2012/08/10 17:54:35
    maggiemay
    Read up on the Mahdi. This is what Ahmadinejad believes.

    http://www.meforum.org/1985/a...
  • ★Calliope★ JMCC 2012/08/18 20:03:09
    ★Calliope★
    If you believe that Iran will not weaponize nukes nor use the spend for nefarious purpose i.e. hitting Israel - then you are living in a dreamland. Iran just sponsored killing teenage Jews in Germany. Ahmadinejad has sworn over and over to go after Israel, then the US. He's a 12er. And the dude he works for is a Muslim Zealot.

    They hate Jews. Probably slightly more than they hate the US and England. They will not hesitate to use a nuke or dirty bomb. You can take that to the bank.

    And every Palestinian will be more than happy to help.
  • JMCC ★Calliope★ 2012/08/18 20:07:39
    JMCC
    Sorry I don't buy it - even with the Arab - Israeli relations as they are now. The security reports from Iran do not show that Iran has the capability or the will.
  • ★Calliope★ JMCC 2012/08/18 22:51:58
    ★Calliope★
    Israel is far from stupid.

    They are preparing for war. Contrary to lefty/proggie/moslim/jew haters would have you believe.

    "...Defense Secretary Leon Panetta’s recently reported opinion that Israel would likely strike between April and June is shared, give or take a month or two, by countless others. ..." Is he a liar?
    http://www.salon.com/2012/02/...

    The 'specialist' of whom you speak, would that be the ex-mossad, Meir Dagan?
    He's changed his tune... Ex-Mossad chief Meir Dagan no longer warns against attacking Iran (Credit: AP/Dan Balilty/Reuters/Baz Ratner)

    And

    "...President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was expected on Wednesday to inaugurate the uranium enrichment facility in Fordo, a site built deep underground in the side of a mountain. “Thus,” said Ya’ari, “Iran’s nuclear project enters what Defense Minister Ehud Barak calls the ‘zone of immunity.’” ..."
    Seems like Israel believes wholeheartedly that Iran is a threat.
  • JMCC ★Calliope★ 2012/08/18 22:55:27
    JMCC
    One of Mossad's colonels went on record to say that this was political and that Iran wouldn't have the capability for at least 5-10 years.

    Israel have been dying for an excuse for years and now they are going to get as much mileage as they can.
  • beachbum 2012/08/09 20:39:11
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    beachbum
    +5
    I think even my car knows Iran is making nuclear weapons.
  • ★Calliope★ 2012/08/09 20:35:57
    0bama is to Blame
    ★Calliope★
    +8
    But it's going to be a song and dance and blaming Bush etc..

    Same old crap with Obama. It's never his fault. He's inherited the problem.

    He inherited Iran. Right?
  • Souther... ★Calliope★ 2012/08/09 20:37:24
    Southern Man
    +6
    LOL ... It will never end till 0bama is long gone ..
  • ★Calliope★ Souther... 2012/08/09 20:38:33
    ★Calliope★
    +4
    I hope history does it right, the progs stay out of it by rewriting it and Obama get's his JUST and truthful place in history.

    He's on the wrong side of it.
  • seadog6... ★Calliope★ 2012/08/10 01:11:43
  • ★Calliope★ seadog6... 2012/08/10 06:35:48
    ★Calliope★
    +1
    Ha. Yup.

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