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Investigator: Foreigners bought Hawaii birth certificates

Arizona1950 2012/06/16 17:57:25
'A Mafia operation was run in the early infancy of the state'

By Bob Unruh who joined WND in 2006 after spending nearly three decades writing on a wide range of issues for several Upper Midwest newspapers and the Associated Press. Sports, tornadoes, homicidal survivalists, and legislative battles all fell within his bailiwick. His scenic photography has been used commercially, and he sometimes plays in a church worship band.

The lead investigator for Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse – which already has found probable cause that Barack Obama’s publicly released birth certificate is a forgery – says any Hawaii documentation for Obama’s birth that exists would probably be of little value.

Mike Zullo, a retired New Jersey detective now heading Arpaio’s volunteer investigative team, explained in an interview that at the time of Obama’s birth during the state’s early years, Hawaii birth documentation routinely was purchased by foreigners for children not born in the state.

Arpaio’s investigation was launched last September after constituents came to the sheriff with their concern that Obama was ineligible for the presidency and would perpetrate a fraud by placing his name on the state’s ballot.

Zullo’s comments came in an interview with Tea Party Power Hour host Mark Gillar.

Gillar described the process in the 1960s: Foreign nationals, primarily from Japan, would fly to Hawaii and buy a birth registration for their son or daughter, not with the goal of one day having them become president, but to obtain the benefits of being a U.S. citizen.

Zullo said that when he was in Hawaii last month following up on leads, he talked to older locals who “informed us about a syndicate operation, a Mafia operation if you will, being run in the early infancy of the state of Hawaii where birth certificates were being sold to Japanese refugees on a black market basis.”

At that time, Japan was still undergoing post-war reconstruction while America was an established superpower.

Zullo said there was a business in Hawaii in “birth certificates … for profit.”

Obama released an image of a Hawaiian birth certificate last year as “proof positive” of his birth in the U.S. and “natural born” citizenship, a constitutional requirement for the presidency.

There have been numerous challenges to Obama’s eligibility. Some say that regardless of where he was born, he isn’t qualified because the Founding Fathers understood a natural-born citizen to be the offspring of two U.S. citizens. Obama’s father was a foreign national who only attended school in the U.S.

Zullo also debunked again the contention that 1961 newspaper birth announcements prove anything. He argued the listings were generated automatically by the state and delivered for publication based on the registration of any child with the state.

“Anybody that is hanging their hat on a newspaper entry to prove … Barack Obama [was] born in the state of Hawaii doesn’t know what they’re talking about,” he said.

The births of Japanese children whose parents purchased Hawaii birth certificates also would be listed in the papers, he explained.

During that time period, Japanese parents would fly to Hawaii so their children, born in Japan, could have the benefits of American citizenship, he said.

For that reason, he said, Obama can’t claim that a Hawaii birth certificate is proof he was born in the state.

The interview also addressed unanswered questions about the “discovery” of the Obama birth documentation. Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie, when elected, promised to track down the documentation to put to rest the arguments over Obama’s birth location and eligibility.

The governor eventually concluded, in January 2011, that there was something “written” in state records, but he was unable to produce any documents to the public.

Then, when Obama requested a certified copy of the original documentation three months later, state officials reportedly produced the documentation.

Abercrombie is no longer eager to address the issue.

Earlier this week, WND tried to find out what happened to the governor’s self-initiated research into Obama’s birth documentation.

Initially, Abercrombie spokeswoman Donalyn Delacruz told WND she was happy to help with questions – until she found out the subject.

When WND asked in an email for an explanation of why Abercrombie’s investigation could not turn up the documentation, she refused to answer.

“What news organization are you with?” she demanded. “We get frequent ‘birther’ questions and this would fall in that category.”

Subsequently, she refused to respond to email questions.

When WND called, a receptionist in the office responded to the same inquiry with “That’s been done” – apparently meaning president had released the birth certification image. But she promised to take a message and have someone call back.

No one did.

WND had questions about the anomalous results: The governor’s stated inability to find the documentation and the state agency’s later simple recovery and alleged duplication of the same record.

It was shortly after his election that Abercrombie vowed to end the questions from those who doubted Obama’s status as a “natural born citizen.”

Stated Abercrombie then: “We’ll do what we can as quickly as we can to make it inevitable that only those who wish the president ill, only the ones with a political agenda, will be the ones doing this kind of thing.

“The president is entitled to the respect of his office and he’s entitled to have his mother and father respected,” he said.

He said he was instructing his attorney general and the chief of the state’s health agency to look at what legal avenues could be used to release information.

“This is a transparent state in terms of our communication with one another,” Abercrombie said. “This is the Aloha state. We care for each other, we look out for each other, we’re family.”

He told CNN in that interview that he would pursue the information regardless of the feelings of the White House.

“It’s a matter of principle with me. I knew his mom and dad. I was here when he was born. Anybody who wants to ask a question honestly could have had their answer already,” he announced.

Obama’s narrative states that he was born Aug. 4, 1961, at Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu.

However, after a flurry of high-profile media interviews in which he blasted “birthers,” Abercrombie suddenly went silent even though polls reveal nearly six on 10 doubt Obama’s own eligibility story.

He told the Honolulu Star-Advertiser about Obama’s documentation: “It actually exists in the archives, written down.” The London Daily Mail, however, noted Abercrombie “suggested that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.”

Yet, when Obama wanted the records, the state instantly waived a ban on reproducing long-form birth certificates and copies were produced to be delivered to Judith Corley, a private attorney.

WND continues to report on multiple legal challenges to Obama over his status as a “natural born citizen.” The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states: “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.”

Some of the lawsuits question whether Obama actually was born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama’s American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.

Other challenges have focused on Obama’s citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.

Further, others contend it’s impossible for him to be considered a “natural born citizen” as his father was a foreign national.

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  • uguess 2012/06/17 21:44:49
    uguess
    +2
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    dominic garcia
    +1
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  • Rick 2012/06/17 05:40:50
    Rick
    Lets thow the illegal SOB in prison or deport his ASS to Kenya so the musliums can have him for killing OBL. As he has stated he killed him. Enough said, Good Riddens!!!
  • Arizona... Rick 2012/06/17 14:40:49
    Arizona1950
    Not going to happen ... but you can keep hoping.
  • Dan (Politicaly Incorrect) 2012/06/17 02:42:46
    Dan (Politicaly Incorrect)
    +2
    No Judge has the Balls to go through with a lawsuit on this. Obama has to be voted out.
  • Arizona... Dan (Po... 2012/06/17 02:55:58
    Arizona1950
    +1
    The thing to consider ... can we?
  • Dan (Po... Arizona... 2012/06/17 13:03:30
    Dan (Politicaly Incorrect)
    +1
    YES WE CAN
  • Arizona... Dan (Po... 2012/06/17 14:41:51
    Arizona1950
    Hmmm ... Voter fraud, big money backers, votes being counted overseas ... I hope so.
  • Dan (Po... Arizona... 2012/06/17 15:33:18
    Dan (Politicaly Incorrect)
    +1
    Yeah, But the fraud would have be so enormous that there would be no way it could be hidden. Romney would not stand for it.
  • Arizona... Dan (Po... 2012/06/18 01:22:38
    Arizona1950
    +1
    I wish I could say he is that noble. He hasn't said a word about the voter fraud in Maine, Colorado, Louisianna, Arizona ... he's Obama all over. The more I hear him and listen the more I think he's a shill. Sorry.
  • Dan (Po... Arizona... 2012/06/19 14:59:16
    Dan (Politicaly Incorrect)
    I have my doubts about him also. But what choice do we have. This Country can't survive another four years of Obama.
  • Arizona... Dan (Po... 2012/06/20 02:50:07
    Arizona1950
    If you feel you are in a corner with absolutely no other choice ... then it is the corner you have painted yourself into.
  • Dan (Po... Arizona... 2012/06/20 14:47:35
    Dan (Politicaly Incorrect)
    Not me, the Country.
  • Arizona... Dan (Po... 2012/06/21 00:54:13
    Arizona1950
    What makes you think we're going to survive Flip Romney?





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  • Dan (Po... Arizona... 2012/06/21 13:11:39
    Dan (Politicaly Incorrect)
    Romney only flips on social issues. He is a buissiness man,he sees a problem and looks for a solution. Since he is the presumed winner of the primary. We have no other choice. This Country will definitely not survive Obama.
  • Arizona... Dan (Po... 2012/06/21 13:15:51
    Arizona1950
    He only "flips on social issues ... oh please. A liar is a liar why do you insist on refusing to see this.

    If you want a "successful" two-term governor and business man and one who sticks to the constitution than you should have backed Gary Johnson and not the GOPs next liar-in-chief wannabe.

    If RP does not get the nomination Gary Johnson has my vote.
  • Dan (Po... Arizona... 2012/06/22 10:01:39
    Dan (Politicaly Incorrect)
    You can vote for whom ever you want. Romney has the best chance to win and I am not waisting my vote. I would rather have Romney than Obama. What you don't understand is while Romney isn't my first choice he is way better than Obama.

    Ron Paul would even get my vote if I thought he had a chance. Even though he wants to shut down our bases in the face of the Chinese threat.

    I would vote for a six pack of beer if I thought it had a chance to beat Obama. Obama has got to go and waisting a vote on someone that has no chance of winning only gives Obama one more vote.

    And yes, Romney only flips on Social issues, so what.
  • Arizona... Dan (Po... 2012/06/23 01:38:31
    Arizona1950
    You are hoping he is way better than the Obama ... all indications say he won't be.

  • Plantgypc 2012/06/17 00:42:11
  • Sherlock Dog BL - a Gazillion 2012/06/17 00:29:12
  • Gregaj7 2012/06/16 23:06:15
    Gregaj7
    This would also confirm the issue of the BC (all of them) being a Bonded Monetary instrument.
  • safari 2012/06/16 21:19:24 (edited)
    safari
    +2
    I call him ABERCOMMIE - because he is one. I can't find my links on it but a couple of years or so ago - before he was elected, there was an international socialism and communism gathering in Australia. I was investigating that looking at their agendas when I came across a list of attendees. He was on the list. So I sent him a twitter asking him why he was attending the commie meeting ( I asked politely ) and he blocked me on twitter. lol

    Anyway after living there for so long I can completely believe this and Hawaii was more like a third world country than a state of the USA even into the 90s - Ask anyone about fake insurance id cards, fake auto inspection certificates, etc and how easy it was to get a drivers license no matter what you had on your record elsewhere. Go back to the 60s and Hawaii was more like the wild wild west but Polynesia style. For anyone with a history in Hawaii this will be perfectly understandable and I'd go on to dare say every one knows or knew someone who had fake credentials of one sort or the other even if it was just a fake inspection certificate.

    Eh - no worries brauh -
  • Arizona... safari 2012/06/16 22:16:48
    Arizona1950
    +2
    I got the feeling it was and may still be "mafia run" ... Hmmmm .... Chicago / Mafia ... lol
  • safari Arizona... 2012/06/17 01:05:04
    safari
    +2
    There are many gangs in Hi that operate in the illegal areas - and Hi is equally if not more so connected to the orientals ( Japan China Korea Philippines) than the mainland in terms of illegal activities. But yes there was a mafia connection for some of the activities and much of it was related to drug running via the Hawaii connection.. Many of the remnants of those folks and their offspring are still on the island.
  • Tarheel 2012/06/16 21:03:22
    Tarheel
    If you're born in the U.S then you are a natural born citizen, regardless of your parent's nationality. I guess that anyone born in Hawaii during that time would also have a hard time proving citizenship or would have dispersions cast on their true nationality.
  • Arizona... Tarheel 2012/06/16 22:17:40
    Arizona1950
    +1
    No you are incorrect that only makes you a citizen it does not make you natural born.
  • Tarheel Arizona... 2012/06/16 22:43:17
    Tarheel
    The Constitution does not define the phrase natural-born citizen, and various opinions have been offered over time regarding its precise meaning. A 2011 Congressional Research Service report stated
    The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term “natural born” citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship “by birth” or “at birth,” either by being born “in” the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship “at birth.” Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an “alien” required to go through the legal process of “naturalization” to become a U.S. citizen.[1]
  • Arizona... Tarheel 2012/06/17 03:01:43
    Arizona1950
    +1
    They didn't have to because it was a known fact otherwise they would not have made it exclusive to "natural-born". Do you have a clue at all?

    The term Natural born Citizen appears in our Constitution, in Article 1, Section 2, with these words, “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.”

    Before the Constitution the closest reference we have to Natural Born Citizen is from the legal treatise “the Law of Nations,” written by Emerich de Vattel in 1758. In book one chapter 19,

    § 212. Of the citizens and natives.

    “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is su...
    They didn't have to because it was a known fact otherwise they would not have made it exclusive to "natural-born". Do you have a clue at all?

    The term Natural born Citizen appears in our Constitution, in Article 1, Section 2, with these words, “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.”

    Before the Constitution the closest reference we have to Natural Born Citizen is from the legal treatise “the Law of Nations,” written by Emerich de Vattel in 1758. In book one chapter 19,

    § 212. Of the citizens and natives.

    “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”
    (more)
  • Tarheel Arizona... 2012/06/17 03:56:50
    Tarheel
    Do you have a clue? That was from Congressional research. The Constitution did not define the phrase and you can't just reference things to suit your purposes.
  • Arizona... Tarheel 2012/06/17 04:10:43
    Arizona1950
    +1
    Congressional Research follows the flavor of the day ... as do our Supreme Justices especially when our courts are stacked with liberals. When in doubt go to the Constitution it is to be followed not re-written ... so follow your own advice and not make it about your personal understanding.
  • Tarheel Arizona... 2012/06/17 04:29:57
    Tarheel
    I didn't but that's what you've done. By the way, I'm done with this conversation.
  • Arizona... Tarheel 2012/06/17 14:46:09
    Arizona1950
    +1
    I quoted the constitution gave you article and section. Bah-bye. :-)
  • Tarheel Arizona... 2012/06/17 15:21:10
    Tarheel
    I'm breaking my own rule. I gave you an article from Congressional research in regards to the term "natural born citizen" which is not clearly defined by the constitution. Obama is a U.S citizen, nothing is going to happen to prove anything any differently. Buh-bye.
  • Arizona... Tarheel 2012/06/17 15:24:47
    Arizona1950
    and I responded ... no need to repeat yourself.
  • dominic... Arizona... 2012/06/18 00:40:42
    dominic garcia
    +1
    Good job Arizona!
  • gkirmani 2012/06/16 20:45:58
    gkirmani
    INVESTIGATION paid by WHO???
  • Arizona... gkirmani 2012/06/16 20:54:06
    Arizona1950
    Read it!
  • texasred 2012/06/16 19:51:55
    texasred
    +2
    He's about as "unnatural" a person as I've ever seen. He's about as close to the Manchurian Candidate as I've ever seen.
  • Arizona... texasred 2012/06/16 19:54:51
    Arizona1950
    +2
    I played the video in the background ... just listened. This is incredible!!
  • texasred Arizona... 2012/06/16 20:18:32
    texasred
    +1
    Yes.... scary as hell what he's been able to do in such a short time.

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