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Investigation Says Wrong Man Was Executed In Texas. Should People Be Executed Based Only On Eyewitness Testimony, Or Should Forensic Evidence Be Required, Too?

Tigger Too 2012/05/15 19:34:13
Yes, A person should be executed based only on eyewitness testimony only.
No, Forensic evidence should be required to execute a person.
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He was the spitting image of the killer, had the same first name and was near the scene of the crime at the fateful hour. Carlos DeLuna paid the ultimate price and was executed in place of someone else in Texas in 1989, a report out Tuesday found. Even "all the relatives of both Carloses mistook them," and DeLuna was sentenced to death and executed. based only on eyewitness accounts, despite a range of signs he was not a guilty man, said law professor James Liebman. Liebman and five of his students at Columbia School of Law spent almost five years poring over details of a case that he says is "emblematic" of legal system failure. DeLuna, 27, was put to death after "a very incomplete investigation. No question that the investigation is a failure," Liebman said.


The report's authors found "numerous missteps, missed clues and missed opportunities that let authorities prosecute Carlos DeLuna for the crime of murder, despite evidence not only that he did not commit the crime but that another individual, Carlos Hernandez, did." The report, entitled "Los Tocayos Carlos: Anatomy of a Wrongful Execution," traces the facts surrounding the February 1983 murder of Wanda Lopez, a single mother who was stabbed in the gas station where she worked in a quiet corner of the Texas coastal city of Corpus Christi.

That night, Lopez called police for help twice to protect her from an individual with a switchblade.
"They could have saved her. Instead they said, 'We made this arrest immediately' to overcome the embarrassment," Liebman said. Forty minutes after the crime Carlos DeLuna was arrested not far from the gas station. He was identified by only one eyewitness who saw a Hispanic male running from the gas station. But DeLuna had just shaved and was wearing a white dress shirt -- unlike the killer, who an eyewitness said had a mustache and was wearing a grey flannel shirt.


Even though witnesses accounts were contradictory -- the killer was seen fleeing towards the north, while DeLuna was caught in the east -- DeLuna was arrested. "I didn't do it, but I know who did," DeLuna said at the time, saying that he saw Carlos Hernandez entering the service station. DeLuna said he ran from police because he was on parole and had been drinking. Hernandez, known for using a blade in his attacks, was later jailed for murdering a woman with the same knife. But in the trial, the lead prosecutor told the jury that Hernandez was nothing but a "phantom" of DeLuna's imagination. DeLuna's budget attorney even said that it was probable that Carlos Hernandez never existed. However in 1986 a local newspaper published a photograph of Hernandez in an article on the DeLuna case, Liebman said.


Following hasty trial, DeLuna was executed by lethal injection in 1989. Up to the day he died in prison of cirrhosis of the liver, Hernandez repeatedly admitted to murdering Wanda Lopez, Liebman said. "Unfortunately, the flaws in the system that wrongfully convicted and executed DeLuna -- faulty eyewitness testimony, shoddy legal representation and prosecutorial misconduct -- continue to send innocent men to their death today," read a statement that accompanies the report.

Should A Person Be Executed, Based Only On Eyewitness Testimony, Or Should Forensic Evidence Be Required, Too?

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  • Dickens 2012/05/21 12:18:20
    Undecided
    Dickens
    +1
    ...hey, as long as texas gets to kill someone, what's the problem; executions, football and "w" ARE texas...
  • Tigger Too Dickens 2012/05/22 22:04:55
    Tigger Too
    Yes, if I were asked which state was going to execute the wrong person, my very first answer would have been "try 'em and fry 'em" Texas. Although I'm a strong advocate for the death penalty, putting the wrong guy to death was unconscionable. I also don't think the number of people a state executes is anything of which to be proud. I remember Governor Rick Perry almost bragging with glee during the Republican presidential primary debates about how many lives they've ended with that pesky needle in Texas. Like I previously said, I'm all for the death penalty for the most heinous crimes, but it's certainly not a statistic over which to gloat. Thanks for your comments, Dickens, and have a beautiful evening!
  • Tin Man 2012/05/19 00:28:45 (edited)
    Undecided
    Tin Man
    +1
    In this particular case the the fact of such look alike appearance alone should have brought eyewitness accounts alone into reasonable doubt. In addition to eyewitness accounts, forensic =/or DNA evidence should be compelling. In all cases of the death penalty being given the evidence should meet an established criterion of compelling proof. Else one finger pointed can take the life of another. In many cases life without parole is sufficient. Sorry to learn of such a miscarriage of justice. (You didn't give an option for other.)
  • Tigger Too Tin Man 2012/05/19 21:14:28
  • Tin Man Tigger Too 2012/05/19 21:37:42
    Tin Man
    +1
    Awww... It was just good natured chiding, Tigger, I still love ya. Just wanted to rib you some. We agree so much on this issue. I think all states need to revamp their laws concerning being 100% sure and in the most heinous cases.
  • Tigger Too Tin Man 2012/05/20 05:03:10
  • Tin Man Tigger Too 2012/05/20 12:49:52
    Tin Man
    +1
    My pleasure, I always enjoy our conversations. And this is sure one we totally agree on. Have a great day. :):):)
  • JonDeniro 2012/05/17 14:37:42
    I am 100% against the death penalty.
    JonDeniro
    +2
    I am entirely opposed to capital punishment because of incidents such as this one.
  • Tigger Too JonDeniro 2012/05/17 22:22:01
    Tigger Too
    +2
    True, stories about the state of Texas putting the wrong man to death DOES make one rethink their position on the death penalty. After all, there are no "do-overs" when it comes to executions. Thanks for your comments, Jon, and have a beautiful evening!
  • Tin Man JonDeniro 2012/05/19 00:33:53
    Tin Man
    +2
    The system needs fixing if it's to continue and claim some semblance of justice.
  • Mechelle 2012/05/15 22:50:30
    No, Forensic evidence should be required to execute a person.
    Mechelle
    +2
    Not that i agree with the death penalty, there should be NO doubt at all if the person is guilty. It n sees to be proven with all means available. I hope the family of this poor man are heavily comped for what happened. No amount of money could make up for this mistake. And I would hope the people who caused this pays dearly.
  • Tigger Too Mechelle 2012/05/16 01:42:13
    Tigger Too
    +2
    I was wondering the same thing, whether or not Carlos DeLuca's surviving relatives were given monetary compensation for his wrongful death at the hands of the state of Texas. However, I've noticed in the last few cases of wrongful convictions, where DNA evidence and/or recanted witness testimony has found that a prison inmate is innocent, the states haven't been very generous in paying them for years spent behind bars. And really, NO amount of money can make up for losing that much time out of your life. Thanks for your comments, Mechelle, and have a great evening!
  • Tigger Too 2012/05/15 21:07:45
  • Mechelle Tigger Too 2012/05/15 23:03:47
    Mechelle
    +2
    I agree. And the ones where there is no doubt what so ever, I think should be put to death instead of living off our taxes for years and years. I'm on the fence with the death penalty, but if the state has it and THAT is the ruling and trusted are no doubts, get it over with.
  • Tigger Too Mechelle 2012/05/16 01:52:34
    Tigger Too
    +1
    That's a really sore subject with me, the length of time condemned inmates sit on death row, continuing to take up space and steal oxygen on the taxpayers' dime, before they're finally executed. Many times, their victims' survivors don't live long enough to see justice done for their loved ones' deaths. That's just not fair. The federal justice system makes short work of their death row prisoners. Timothy McVeigh and the D.C. Sniper were each executed within five years of their convictions. Five or so years makes more sense than allowing condemned prisoners to languish behind bars for sometimes over two decades before their date with the executioner comes around.
  • Mechelle Tigger Too 2012/05/16 23:12:35 (edited)
    Mechelle
    +1
    Exactly. We support enough people in prisons around the country. And for some its a way of life, 3 hots and a cot and they are happy. Makes me sick. We make it to easy on them in prison. They need to treat them like in the military, make them train all day long. Without weapons of course. Maybe it won't be so pleasing to them after that.
  • Tigger Too Mechelle 2012/05/17 02:03:01
  • Mechelle Tigger Too 2012/05/17 03:37:22
    Mechelle
    +1
    No kidding. They should all be like boot camp. If they have to work their assess off in training there would be a LOT less gang crap going on in prisons and they would earn their keep.
  • Tigger Too Mechelle 2012/05/17 22:24:58
  • Waldorf 2012/05/15 20:45:01
    Undecided
    Waldorf
    +1
    Frankly, we need more reasons to execute people, not fewer. However, justice is always extremely important, while an occasional mistake is bound to be statistically rare and inevitable.
  • Tigger Too Waldorf 2012/05/15 21:10:16
    Tigger Too
    Thanks for your comments, Bob!
  • ὤTṻnde΄ӂ 2012/05/15 20:32:29
    I am 100% against the death penalty.
    ὤTṻnde΄ӂ
    +2
    Eyewitness testimony is the least reliable of all the evidence, but DNA is fallible, too. States like CA and Connecticut have or are working to ban the death penalty. I know there are those who think that eye-witness testimony is reliable and for them I suggest they read
    elisabeth loftus witness
  • Tigger Too ὤTṻnde΄ӂ 2012/05/15 21:19:35
    Tigger Too
    +1
    The case against Carlos DeLuna was so shaky, the eyewitness testimony against him was CONFLICTING, so I don't know how the state of Texas even convicted the guy, much less executed him. Illinois and Connecticut are the most recent states who have outlawed the death penalty. However, Connecticut isn't making this policy retroactive, so the eleven men currently on death row in their state still face execution. This includes the two monsters involved in the home invasion, rape, torture and death of a mother and two daughters, the husband having escaped the house before they killed him, too. The creep who murdered Jennifer Hudson's family members dodged a bullet, since Illinois dropped the death penalty last year, and he got off with life without parole. If our government is going to continue to execute those who have committed the most heinous of crimes, then by God, they'd better get it RIGHT. Thanks for your comments!
  • ὤTṻnde΄ӂ Tigger Too 2012/05/15 21:36:07 (edited)
    ὤTṻnde΄ӂ
    +2
    You obviously have a right to your opinion, but I believe the two cases you mentioned still doesn't change my mind about the death penalty. I do think there is nothing worse than taking the lives of adults and children for the fun of it or for jealousy. I would rather they were locked up on death row where they have nothing to do but think. It's taken me a long time to reach this point, put I'd feel the same if it were my own family member who was murdered.

    PS. I should have said I absolutely respect your opinion.
  • Tigger Too ὤTṻnde΄ӂ 2012/05/16 02:03:54
    Tigger Too
    I certainly respect your opinion as well. This is a divisive subject here in America, and for good reason. Many death penalty opponents say that life without parole is just as effective as executing convicted murderers, because they'll be locked up and unable to perpetrate anymore mischief and mayhem against their fellow human beings. This is patently false. Some of these monsters kill their fellow inmates, or even the guards, while serving life sentences. In some cases, such as the Texas 7, these scumbags even escape from prison, where they proceed to rob and kill until they're caught and put back behind bars again. You're a much more forgiving person than I, because if one of my loved ones were murdered, I'd want vengeance in the form of making the guilty party face the ultimate punishment, death. Not only would I want to witness the execution, I'd push the plunger myself if they let me. I'm sorry if I sound unforgiving and cruel, but there you have it. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this extremely controversial issue.
  • jackie 2012/05/15 20:06:03
    I am 100% against the death penalty.
    jackie
    +2
    I dont believe and still dont believe that people should kill people.
  • Tigger Too jackie 2012/05/15 20:17:05
    Tigger Too
    Thanks for your response, jackie!
  • kraftym... jackie 2012/05/15 22:30:40
    kraftymomma1979
    +2
    I respect that. I am hung on the fence with the death penalty.
  • kraftymomma1979 2012/05/15 19:45:17
    Undecided
    kraftymomma1979
    +2
    In theory, I believe there are instances where the death penalty is appropriate. Ted Bundy is a good example of someone who committed murders, sexual violence, and LOTS OF IT. He showed no remorse, and I don't think he could change. The world is a safer place without him. However, he is an anomaly in the CJ system. Too often, the death penalty on people who were convicted on shaky evidence or were too poor to afford a lawyer, etc.
  • Tigger Too kraftym... 2012/05/15 20:25:37
    Tigger Too
    +1
    I agree with you, that the vast preponderance of evidence against some convicted killers is so ironclad and irrefutable, so the state can execute them without a shadow of a doubt that they've put the right person to death. I've noticed that a couple of states have just recently outlawed the death penalty, Illinois and Connecticut. This is why that creep who killed the family of Jennifer Hudson got off with only life without parole, as opposed to being sent to death row. The evidence against him was a no-brainer for a guilty verdict, too. It's too bad HE wasn't tried in Texas instead of Illinois. And it's very true that the majority of people who have been condemned to death are poor minorities with inadequate legal representation. Thanks for your comments, kraftymomma, and have a beautiful evening!
  • Michael=Constitution & Liberty 2012/05/15 19:41:07
    I am 100% against the death penalty.
    Michael=Constitution & Liberty
    +2
    texas has knowingly executed innocent people.
  • Tigger Too Michael... 2012/05/15 20:15:38
    Tigger Too
    +2
    Thanks for your response, michael!

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