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  • Old Salt 2012/09/01 04:58:01
    Life begins. . . . . . . .
    Old Salt
    +37
    I guess with our Federal Govt, it just ALL DEPENDS on IF we're talking about HUMANS or a BIRD!!!

    For, according to our Federal Government, 16 U.S.C. 668c; CFR 22.3, anyone that takes the egg of an American Bald Eagle will face penalties for such action to a maximum fine of $5,000 or one year imprisonment with $10,000 or not more than two years in prison for a second conviction. Felony convictions carry a maximum fine of $250,000 or two years of imprisonment. The fine doubles for an organization. Rewards are provided for information leading to arrest and conviction for violation of the Act.

    Now, I dont pretend to be a scholar of the human reproductive system... but seems to me, our govt believes that IF we're talking about HUMAN eggs, they're pretty much like CHICKEN eggs? Undeveloped we have our choice... do we wish to serve the "scrambled, fried (with acid on the human), or simply cracked open and served "sunny side up?" Old Salt

    baby at four weeks into developement

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  • Fate 2012/09/16 03:43:05
    Life begins. . . . . . . .
    Fate
    Life begins when the fetus first starts to make its appearance, i.e. when you first get pregnant.
  • libertariosaur 2012/09/08 22:04:27
    At conception
    libertariosaur
    The question is stupid. Cells are biologically alive. The question should be "At what point is life worth protecting" or something of that nature.
  • mikeyavelli 2012/09/04 16:47:58
    At conception
    mikeyavelli
    +1
    actually it begins when she winks back at him.
  • RG 2012/09/04 15:28:16
    At conception
    RG
    +1
    At conception!
    conception of a human being conception of a human being conception of a human being
  • ♥Mrs.Styles♥ 2012/09/04 02:03:09
    Life begins. . . . . . . .
    ♥Mrs.Styles♥
    i dont know but 4 me u start to realize things ;/
  • Willow 2012/09/04 01:36:36
    Life begins. . . . . . . .
    Willow
    +1
    When one has come out of the person, making memories, and processing thoughts.
  • RogerRover 2012/09/03 14:26:39
    At conception
    RogerRover
    +2
    Life is precious. Beginning at conception scientifically....long before that spiritually..in the heart and mind of an omniscient Father.
  • Lordphoton999 *AFCL* 2012/09/03 05:25:32
    At conception
    Lordphoton999 *AFCL*
    +2
    Cell division begins immediately upon conception, The fertilized egg is now called a zygote, and within that contains all the human DNA that dictate who you are.
    a person hood fully human.
  • T. James H 2012/09/03 05:03:54
  • ThickAzABrick 2012/09/02 01:11:51
    At conception
    ThickAzABrick
    +2
    When the sperm meets the egg, cell activity begins. For those who are quite sure that we sprang from primordial ooze, if life isn't cell activity, then what is it?
  • texasred 2012/09/01 21:40:51
    At conception
    texasred
    +3
    I don't think it can be said any better than the way Old Salt said it:
    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/09/01 19:42:58
    At conception
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +2
    Of course. It takes awhile for that to sink in. With all that that implies.
  • Jan 2012/09/01 18:28:36
    At conception
    Jan
    +4
    From the monment of conception there is a living being growing inside the womb so it can't possibly be at a later date.
  • *SqU!R@L QuE3N* 2012/09/01 17:55:09
    At conception
    *SqU!R@L QuE3N*
    +2
    when sperm is looking for the egg and it actually goes in the egg. wait why didnt i put the other answer :/
  • zapped 2012/09/01 14:53:42
    At conception
    zapped
    +2
    upon fertilization "conception " .... simple !
  • Weronikus 2012/09/01 13:28:14 (edited)
    Life begins. . . . . . . .
    Weronikus
    +1
    Well, my life began in my grandmother's stomach. When my granny was still pregnant with my mum, my mum as the little baby already had all the eggs , where was also the little egg which turned out to be me :P. So really, part of me is over 60 years old.
  • Ray the... Weronikus 2012/09/01 18:33:40
    Ray the Dog!
    I'm as old as my nose and a bit older than my teeth.....lol!
  • Weronikus Ray the... 2012/09/01 19:18:19
    Weronikus
    Haha, you can put it that way too :D
  • Dwight-AFCL>dogsbody 2012/09/01 11:43:58
    At conception
    Dwight-AFCL>dogsbody
    +3
    I don't see how two living cells join to make a "not alive" one.
  • Pops 2012/09/01 10:45:24
    Life begins. . . . . . . .
    Pops
    +1
    Life begins. . . . . . . .at the very beginning!
  • seadog6608PWCM 2012/09/01 07:58:53
  • Sawdust_128 2012/09/01 05:32:23
    At conception
    Sawdust_128
    +8
    -----------------------------
    "To accept the fact that after fertilization has taken place a new human has come into being is no longer a matter of taste or opinion ... it is plain experimental evidence." The "Father of Modern Genetics" Dr. Jerome Lejeune, Univ. of Descarte, Paris
    -----------------------------...
    "By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception." Dr. Hymie Gordon, Chairman, Department of Genetics at the Mayo Clinic
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    Life Begins at the Beginning
    (A Doctor Gives the Scientific Facts on When Life Begins)

    By Fritz Baumgartner, MD

    April 12, 2005

    Dear Friend,

    We can approach abortion from many perspectives: Biological, embryological, genetic, philosophical, social and economic, at the very least. As for the first three – my approach as a scientist, physician, surgeon, and simply someone who finished medical school, is factual.

    There is no more pivotal moment in the subsequent growth and development of a human being than when 23 chromosomes of the father join with 23 chromosomes of the mother to form a unique, 46-chromosomed individual, with a gender, who had previously simply not existed. Period. No debate.

    There is no more appropriate moment to begin calling a human "human" than the ...
















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    "To accept the fact that after fertilization has taken place a new human has come into being is no longer a matter of taste or opinion ... it is plain experimental evidence." The "Father of Modern Genetics" Dr. Jerome Lejeune, Univ. of Descarte, Paris
    -----------------------------...
    "By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception." Dr. Hymie Gordon, Chairman, Department of Genetics at the Mayo Clinic
    -----------------------------...
    Life Begins at the Beginning
    (A Doctor Gives the Scientific Facts on When Life Begins)

    By Fritz Baumgartner, MD

    April 12, 2005

    Dear Friend,

    We can approach abortion from many perspectives: Biological, embryological, genetic, philosophical, social and economic, at the very least. As for the first three – my approach as a scientist, physician, surgeon, and simply someone who finished medical school, is factual.

    There is no more pivotal moment in the subsequent growth and development of a human being than when 23 chromosomes of the father join with 23 chromosomes of the mother to form a unique, 46-chromosomed individual, with a gender, who had previously simply not existed. Period. No debate.

    There is no more appropriate moment to begin calling a human "human" than the moment of fertilization. And don't let anyone tell you otherwise, because it would be a degradation of factual embryology to say it would be any other moment. For example, some pro-abortion zealots and even, shockingly, some disingenuous physicians claim it is the moment of primitive notochord formation (nonsense!) or, even more absurdly, the moment of implantation. (It defies sanity to claim that the implantation of a developing blastocyst onto a uterine wall defines humanity more than does the completion of an entirely new DNA map, which defines a new organism's existence).

    And to say that "size" is a determinant of humanity, of course, is an unscientific reason to deny an embryo his or her human status. In any event, it is an embryological reality, which no embryology textbook on earth denies, that at the moment of fertilization a new human being is formed.

    -----------------------------...

    "Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum (zygote)... The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual."
    [Carlson, Bruce M. Patten's Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3]
    -----------------------------...


    "Zygote. This cell, formed by the union of an ovum and a sperm (Gr. zyg tos, yoked together), represents the beginning of a human being. The common expression 'fertilized ovum' refers to the zygote."
    [Moore, Keith L. and Persaud, T.V.N. Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects. 4th edition. Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1993, p. 1]
    -----------------------------...

    "Embryo: The developing individual between the union of the germ cells and the completion of the organs which characterize its body when it becomes a separate organism.... At the moment the sperm cell of the human male meets the ovum of the female and the union results in a fertilized ovum (zygote), a new life has begun.... The term embryo covers the several stages of early development from conception to the ninth or tenth week of life."
    [Considine, Douglas (ed.). Van Nostrand's Scientific Encyclopedia. 5th edition. New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1976, p. 943]
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  • hazel 2012/09/01 05:26:37 (edited)
    Life begins. . . . . . . .
    hazel
    +6
    I believe at conception...This is a debate that will go on forever, and for me the bottom line is that I would rather not guess, it is a fact that at the moment of conception it becomes the beginning of a human life , not a chicken or a dog , but a human......there are those that say not til the baby takes its first breath ..go on line and see actually pictures of 9 month old babies in the womb, before they have taken their first breath.......Some say its after the baby if fully developed ........a human isnt fully developed until they are in their early to mid twentys.....slice it dice it, twist it, deny it, do what ever you want .....at the moment of conception a human life begins period.....and if you do anything to stop that growth it is stopping the life of a human period........in the real world if you stop the life of a human at any age ,on purpose its called murder
  • Lordpho... hazel 2012/09/03 05:31:34
    Lordphoton999 *AFCL*
    +2
    You are so correct as always, during conception, all the DNA are there to program that unique person, fully human, for those that deny this are those that are not willing to take responsibility for bringing forth another human being into this world.
  • hazel Lordpho... 2012/09/03 06:15:30
    hazel
    +2
    Its not complicated
  • Linda hazel 2012/09/11 14:29:50
    Linda
    Haze, you should tell Mitt because he is a hypocrite. And your backing him which makes you what?
    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
  • Old Salt 2012/09/01 04:58:01
    Life begins. . . . . . . .
    Old Salt
    +37
    I guess with our Federal Govt, it just ALL DEPENDS on IF we're talking about HUMANS or a BIRD!!!

    For, according to our Federal Government, 16 U.S.C. 668c; CFR 22.3, anyone that takes the egg of an American Bald Eagle will face penalties for such action to a maximum fine of $5,000 or one year imprisonment with $10,000 or not more than two years in prison for a second conviction. Felony convictions carry a maximum fine of $250,000 or two years of imprisonment. The fine doubles for an organization. Rewards are provided for information leading to arrest and conviction for violation of the Act.

    Now, I dont pretend to be a scholar of the human reproductive system... but seems to me, our govt believes that IF we're talking about HUMAN eggs, they're pretty much like CHICKEN eggs? Undeveloped we have our choice... do we wish to serve the "scrambled, fried (with acid on the human), or simply cracked open and served "sunny side up?" Old Salt

    baby at four weeks into developement
  • seadog6... Old Salt 2012/09/01 06:52:34
  • Old Salt seadog6... 2012/09/01 18:35:20
    Old Salt
    +6
    Thanks Seadog! I'm waiting for someone to tell me different though! So far, you see the liberals are staying well clear! :(

    But that just tells me they have nothing they can say.
  • Always ... Old Salt 2012/09/01 18:27:48
    Always Right
    +4
    I have said fried eggs is a chicken abortion, it's makes people squeamish!
  • Old Salt Always ... 2012/09/01 18:38:02
    Old Salt
    +8
    Back in the "old days" of being allowed to take a 3rd trimester pregnancy, I remember one woman bringing an aborted child in a glass large pickle jar and presented it to abortion advocates! It was CLEARLY the well defined baby that could have lived, IF ALLOWED! I simply could not believe they sat their and referred to it as a "tissue!" :(
  • Always ... Old Salt 2012/09/01 18:45:36
    Always Right
    +3
    That would make me "squeamish"! I wonder how people can see the results of an abortion and not feel a thing. Then on other issues say it's for the children.
  • Old Salt Always ... 2012/09/01 20:04:16
    Old Salt
    +6
    Well... last session, TEXAS passed a mandate that a ultrasound MUST be shown to the person having an abortion! They don't have to look at it, but it MUST be shown!
  • Lordpho... Always ... 2012/09/03 05:34:56
    Lordphoton999 *AFCL*
    +2
    Studies have shown, most of the women that went to Planned parenthood and accepted their services somewhere down the road they have regrets, the abortion process is so brutal that some are scarred emotional for life.
  • hazel Lordpho... 2012/09/03 06:18:00
    hazel
    +3
    I know way to many women ,some in my own family,. that have had abortions and every last one has been screwed up their whole life over it
  • hazel Lordpho... 2012/09/11 14:34:41
    hazel
    +1
    I can tell you it marks a woman forever .......and not for the better I have seen how the guilt only grows as they get older and drugs and drinking are almost always involved
  • Lordpho... hazel 2012/09/16 05:23:00
    Lordphoton999 *AFCL*
    +1
    yes, I agree with you 100%
  • rightside Old Salt 2012/09/01 19:32:11
    rightside
    +6
    What's sad Dear, is that they won't even get this.
  • Old Salt rightside 2012/09/01 20:06:17
    Old Salt
    +6
    Far too many people take abortion as nothing big anymore! But what we parents accept in moderation, or children usually abuse in excess! :(
  • rightside Old Salt 2012/09/01 21:04:28
    rightside
    +3
    With all the killing on TV and video games, life is just not that special to this generation.
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