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In The American Revolutionary War, Which Side Were The Liberals?

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  • seattleman 2012/05/12 14:16:51
    The LIBERAL Americans fought for freedom from the despotism of CONSERVATIVE B...
    seattleman
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    Actually, I'd say it was the RADICAL liberals who fought for freedom. The moderates and conservatives were advocating a more patient approach.

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  • ally 2012/05/19 15:03:19
    The LIBERAL Americans fought for freedom from the despotism of CONSERVATIVE B...
    ally
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    If it wasn't for the liberal patriots, we'd be singing "God Save The Queen" while waving our Union Jack flags.
  • Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO 2012/05/18 17:43:00
    The LIBERAL Americans fought for freedom from the despotism of CONSERVATIVE B...
    Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO
    +4
    pretty well understood who built this country.
  • Eric Joe Shw... 2012/05/19 00:32:44
    Eric
    +1
    From Wikipedia:
    "Relations between the colonies and the mother country had been deteriorating since the end of the Seven Years' War in 1763. The war had plunged the British government deep into debt, and so Parliament enacted a series of measures to increase tax revenue from the colonies. Parliament believed that these acts, such as the Stamp Act of 1765 and the Townshend Acts of 1767, were a legitimate means of having the colonies pay their fair share of the costs to keep the colonies in the British Empire.[8]

    Many colonists, however, had developed a different conception of the empire. Because the colonies were not directly represented in Parliament, colonists argued that Parliament had no right to levy taxes upon them. This tax dispute was part of a larger divergence between British and American interpretations of the British Constitution and the extent of Parliament's authority in the colonies.[9] The orthodox British view, dating from the Glorious Revolution of 1688, was that Parliament was the supreme authority throughout the empire, and so by definition anything Parliament did was constitutional.[10] In the colonies, however, the idea had developed that the British Constitution recognized certain fundamental rights that no government—not even Parliament—could violate."

    So,...

    From Wikipedia:
    "Relations between the colonies and the mother country had been deteriorating since the end of the Seven Years' War in 1763. The war had plunged the British government deep into debt, and so Parliament enacted a series of measures to increase tax revenue from the colonies. Parliament believed that these acts, such as the Stamp Act of 1765 and the Townshend Acts of 1767, were a legitimate means of having the colonies pay their fair share of the costs to keep the colonies in the British Empire.[8]

    Many colonists, however, had developed a different conception of the empire. Because the colonies were not directly represented in Parliament, colonists argued that Parliament had no right to levy taxes upon them. This tax dispute was part of a larger divergence between British and American interpretations of the British Constitution and the extent of Parliament's authority in the colonies.[9] The orthodox British view, dating from the Glorious Revolution of 1688, was that Parliament was the supreme authority throughout the empire, and so by definition anything Parliament did was constitutional.[10] In the colonies, however, the idea had developed that the British Constitution recognized certain fundamental rights that no government—not even Parliament—could violate."

    So, the colonists were upset that the Parliament was not following the Constitution. Sounds like conservatives wanting the rule of law followed, not individuals making up new laws as they go, disregarding the over-riding fundamental laws.

    In the US, the Constitution, as intrepeted by the Supreme Court, is always above Congress. An idea to remember today.
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  • BHGOzzy 2012/05/18 17:14:03
    The LIBERAL Americans fought for freedom from the despotism of CONSERVATIVE B...
    BHGOzzy
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    There wasn't an "other" option because those two parties didn't exist at the time. Royalist Britannia was unfairly taxing LOYAL citizens because the King had Syphilis and it was literally rotting his brain, so he didn't get that pissing off his loyal colonists was a bad idea. Colonial British where so pissed off that they decided to break from England which no longer properly represented them, hence why America was born.

    So this question is wrongly set up, sorry. A little history will set you straight on that.
  • Illjwamh 2012/05/18 17:08:16
    The LIBERAL Americans fought for freedom from the despotism of CONSERVATIVE B...
    Illjwamh
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    It's not that Britain itself was conservative, but that separating from them and forming our own new government was a radically liberal idea.
  • Eric 2012/05/14 01:02:34
    The CONSERVATIVE Americans fought for freedom from the despotism of LIBERAL B...
    Eric
    +2
    Interesting question but neither answer is good. I always assumed that the American Revolution was rather liberal and created new liberal ways of governing. However, when you read the Declaration of Independence you see that maybe the Revolution was conservative as the English Crown and Government was no longer practicing their own laws. Conservatives tend to be law and order types and if England only followed their own liberal laws everything would be fine but the English were disobeying their own laws when it came to the colonies.
    Therefore, I think the revolution was a conservative reaction to the illiberal trends in England. When laws aren't followed, conservatives get irritated.
    Read the Declaration. What is Jefferson complaining about?
  • Heptarch 2012/05/13 03:02:39
    The LIBERAL Americans fought for freedom from the despotism of CONSERVATIVE B...
    Heptarch
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    This one's pretty clear. Our Founding Fathers were about as Liberal as it was possible to get.
  • NarcolepticGoat 2012/05/13 01:29:33
    The LIBERAL Americans fought for freedom from the despotism of CONSERVATIVE B...
    NarcolepticGoat
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    The conservatives didn't want change. The terms didn't apply anyway. Revolutionary/patriot or Loyalists.
  • jubil8 BN-0 PON 2012/05/12 22:29:55
    The CONSERVATIVE Americans fought for freedom from the despotism of LIBERAL B...
    jubil8 BN-0 PON
    +1
    The "Colonials" objected to certain taxes and military plans (like the Quartering Act), which reflected changing times in England. THEY wanted to preserve the status quo; the British Government didn't want to let them get away with it.

    That's from the British pov, of course. :) The Colonial pov was that they were freeing themselves from tyranny. At least that was how it was spun.
  • VICTORIA 2012/05/12 21:56:13
    The LIBERAL Americans fought for freedom from the despotism of CONSERVATIVE B...
    VICTORIA
    +2
    I don't really know.
  • reaper 2012/05/12 20:38:10
    The LIBERAL Americans fought for freedom from the despotism of CONSERVATIVE B...
    reaper
    +4
    liberal |ˈlib(ə)rəl|
    adjective
    1 open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values: they have more liberal views toward marriage and divorce than some people.
    • favorable to or respectful of individual rights and freedoms: liberal citizenship laws.
    • (in a political context) favoring maximum individual liberty in political and social reform: a liberal democratic state.
    • Theology; regarding many traditional beliefs as dispensable, invalidated by modern thought, or liable to change.

    conservative |kənˈsərvətiv|
    adjective
    holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion.
    noun
    a person who is averse to change and holds to traditional values and attitudes, typically in relation to politics.
    ___

    at that time someone that would of been more conservative minded would of in fact been in favor of the king and british rule because that was what they would of been used to and wouldn't of wanted any kind of change from the traditional ways they lived by.
  • Eric reaper 2012/05/14 01:18:39
    Eric
    +1
    And yet in the Declaration of Independence, Jefferson listed all the ways that the English Crown was not following their own laws and traditions when it came to the colonists. If the Crown followed English law and treated the colonists like they treated the English things would have been better. The British parliament was straying from English law.

    And, after the revolution, American laws were very similar to English law. This was no liberal breakthrough.
  • Yuki ~ ♦Lion King of PHÆT♦ 2012/05/12 20:32:31
    The LIBERAL Americans fought for freedom from the despotism of CONSERVATIVE B...
    Yuki ~ ♦Lion King of PHÆT♦
    +3
    Oh my gods.

    -headdesk-
  • Foxhound BN0 2012/05/12 20:28:31 (edited)
    The LIBERAL Americans fought for freedom from the despotism of CONSERVATIVE B...
    Foxhound BN0
    +4
    Liberals rule!
  • Pat 2012/05/12 15:11:52
    The LIBERAL Americans fought for freedom from the despotism of CONSERVATIVE B...
    Pat
    +5
    Like all Liberals they were looking for a better life for the colonists. They wanted to move forward with each person having the opportunity to rise as far as his ambition and ability allowed him to rather than be stifled by titles and privilege. They were definitely liberals.
  • Jacob Mahurien 2012/05/12 15:10:30
    The LIBERAL Americans fought for freedom from the despotism of CONSERVATIVE B...
    Jacob Mahurien
    +2
    Again, the definition of liberalism has changed dramatically.
  • Brian ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮ 2012/05/12 15:04:48
    The LIBERAL Americans fought for freedom from the despotism of CONSERVATIVE B...
    Brian ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +2
    Liberals of today, have little in common with liberals of yesteryear.
  • seattleman 2012/05/12 14:16:51
    The LIBERAL Americans fought for freedom from the despotism of CONSERVATIVE B...
    seattleman
    +7
    Actually, I'd say it was the RADICAL liberals who fought for freedom. The moderates and conservatives were advocating a more patient approach.
  • Philo-Publius 2012/05/12 12:45:21
    The LIBERAL Americans fought for freedom from the despotism of CONSERVATIVE B...
    Philo-Publius
    +3
    "Progress might have been all right once, but it has gone on too long."

    - Ogden Nash

    ogden
  • Lady Whitewolf 2012/05/12 10:09:13
    The LIBERAL Americans fought for freedom from the despotism of CONSERVATIVE B...
    Lady Whitewolf
    +4
    I think this....
  • XZQZQ 2012/05/12 07:44:30
    The CONSERVATIVE Americans fought for freedom from the despotism of LIBERAL B...
    XZQZQ
    +1
    The libs were the loyalists, who were on the side of Britain, who after the war moved to Canada...
  • Razoreye001 2012/05/12 04:22:50
    The LIBERAL Americans fought for freedom from the despotism of CONSERVATIVE B...
    Razoreye001
    +3
    I think some liberals and some conservatives rebelled against some liberals and some conservatives. I think that it had more to do with practicality than it did with political ideology.
  • James 2012/05/12 03:51:45
    The LIBERAL Americans fought for freedom from the despotism of CONSERVATIVE B...
    James
    +3
    If only the term "liberal" meant what it did back in the day..... *sigh*
  • FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX 2012/05/12 03:31:53
    The LIBERAL Americans fought for freedom from the despotism of CONSERVATIVE B...
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    +6
    In 1776 a Conservative would have been hanged as a traitor.
  • #Justice4Trayvon 629 BLOCKT... 2012/05/12 02:50:53
    The LIBERAL Americans fought for freedom from the despotism of CONSERVATIVE B...
    #Justice4Trayvon 629 BLOCKT CONS
    +6
    Paul Revere gave us the main clue when he made his famous ride between Lexington & Concord. His words were "The REDCOATS are coming!" The red states are the Republicans (Conservatives) whereas the blue states are the Democrats (Liberals)!!!
  • DJPanicDC 2012/05/12 02:39:08
    The LIBERAL Americans fought for freedom from the despotism of CONSERVATIVE B...
    DJPanicDC
    +2
    Neither
    Both sides were theocratic, and run by the wealthy male and white
    The liberals were the ones being killed for believing in blasphemy like the earths rotation
  • Sinpac 2012/05/12 02:14:09
    The LIBERAL Americans fought for freedom from the despotism of CONSERVATIVE B...
    Sinpac
    +4
    Nice story I really enjoyed the part where...........................
  • Feria~THEZombieSlayingB!tch... 2012/05/12 02:13:27 (edited)
    The LIBERAL Americans fought for freedom from the despotism of CONSERVATIVE B...
    Feria~THEZombieSlayingB!tch of PHAET!~Badass Incarnate~
    +5
    BOTH fought for their freedom. I'd like to think in a time like that, both sides could get off their damn high horse and just deal with the problem instead of arguing like babies.
  • Latti Ice Ganga Gangsta of ... 2012/05/12 02:12:09 (edited)
    The LIBERAL Americans fought for freedom from the despotism of CONSERVATIVE B...
    Latti Ice Ganga Gangsta of PHAET

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