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I'm not voting for Obama! WHO'S WITH ME!!!!

Cheese 2012/06/30 16:35:09
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  • Dogman Dwight-... 2012/07/05 20:41:47
    Dogman
    Let's take a real hard look at American history during her life, (she and I are close in age). There's not much there to be real proud of.
  • Dwight-... Dogman 2012/07/05 22:44:08
    Dwight-AFCL>dogsbody
    +1
    should I be anti-America because my grandmothers people got licked off their land?

    The woman is first lady and had an education I dreamed about. But I'm not bitchen' that my people were screwed and she wasn't.

    Where or when does that crap stop? When she gets another tax payer paid vaction?
  • Dogman Dwight-... 2012/07/06 00:26:32
    Dogman
    Please tell me which First Lady took a vacation that wasn't paid for by the tax payers. George Bush spent over 400 days at "The Ranch" when he was in office. Where was the outcry then?

    I didn't mention anything about your grandmother or Michelle's grandmother, or anyone's grandmother. Take a look at the US for the last 50 years. What are our greatest accomplishments? I'll give you the Space Program - but we don't have one any more - do we?
  • Dwight-... Dogman 2012/07/06 09:14:58
    Dwight-AFCL>dogsbody
    +1
    Accually, I think one of our greatest accomplishments was The Civil Rights Act, which passed with huge support of Republicans, because the Democrats of the time would not pass it. yet Democrats of today totally overlook that, including Michelle.

    Your embracing of Groupe Politics is making that acomplishment moot by driving wedges between people, and you will not see it.
  • Dogman Dwight-... 2012/07/06 23:44:02
    Dogman
    Michelle was six months old when LBJ passed the Civil Rights Act. (That's what made the South go Republican). Let's not forget the Democrats voted to pass the act by a wide majority and that's when the South was largely Democratic.

    Should we really be proud that in 1964, nearly two hundred years after the Constitution was authored, we decided that all Americans should have rights? And that the vote itself divided the country and led to an entire region of the country changing their party affiliation? Should we also be proud of the fact that nearly fifty years after the Civil Rights Bill was passed the GOP would like nothing more that to reverse it?

    Whatta you say; should we all hold hands and sing God Bless America?
  • Dwight-... Dogman 2012/07/07 16:57:12
    Dwight-AFCL>dogsbody
    +1
    It seems that just adressing the grevance just isn't good enough for some. The fact that we did it is imaterial since we didn't manage it at the proper time or in a manner pleasing to some.

    If that's the case then some people will never be happy with America, so I just won't waste my time trying to be unified with them.

    You better go back and read the vote on the CRA. if Republicans hadn't supported it jim Crowe would still be here.
  • Dogman Dwight-... 2012/07/07 18:29:27
    Dogman
    I did, and I agree. As I said, at that time the South was largely controlled by Democrats and had been since Lincoln, a Republican, freed the slaves. The South swung to Republican control after Johnson, a Democrat, passed the Civil Rights Bill. That said, a majority of both the Democrats and the Republicans voted in favor of the bill.

    The South has always been a bastion of prejudice and bigotry. If the Democrats put slavery on their platform, they would regain the South.

    There is much to be proud of in our history - certainly more good than bad. But there is also some history that we should be ashamed of. It doesn't mean we should forget it or lie about it, we should learn from it.
  • Dwight-... Dogman 2012/07/08 12:34:35
    Dwight-AFCL>dogsbody
    +1
    If there were so little predujdice why have Black and other minorities been relegated to gettos in the Northern and Western Cities out side the South? Historicaly, the North East had slaves as well but only untill Industrialism led to a greater income than agriculture. At that point the New England States sold off their slaves and still paid very low wages to employes leading to sweat shops and higher child labour.

    Untill the shooting started in 1860, new England shipping Companys were still improting slaves into Charleston and New Orleans. Some of those same shippers still sold products to Southern States thru Mexico, getting around the blockade.

    When blacks left the South to join in the Manufacturing of Northern States they were still paid less, and were barely tolerated in those cities, and why many Northern Blacks have been purchased as a voting block for the DNC with public money used for housing projects.

    In the town I grew up in, and still live close to, the Democrat Mayor was not going to have an easy election in either '68, or 72, so he applied for Federal money to build public housing, and gained the majority of the black vote. I saw this and remember it well.
  • Dogman Dwight-... 2012/07/08 19:51:03
    Dogman
    Minorities aren't the only poor in the North, there are plenty of white folks below the poverty line in and around America's cities. The Industrial Revolution started in 1790, Slater Mill, which still stands, was erected in 1793. The states of the North East, all of New England, NY, PA, NJ, were effectively "free" states prior to that.
  • Dwight-... Dogman 2012/07/08 22:10:25
    Dwight-AFCL>dogsbody
    +1
    before 1793, yes. But Those who formerly held slaves had sold them off, not freed them.
  • Dogman Dwight-... 2012/07/08 23:34:09
    Dogman
    Awesome, you have knowledge of the release of each slave - too much! This was 70 years before the Civil War. The states in the North were free for two generations prior to the Civil War.
  • Dwight-... Dogman 2012/07/09 16:15:03
    Dwight-AFCL>dogsbody
    +1
    You generalize, I generalize. You have washed the Southern States with as broad a brush as I have the Northern.
  • Buoyant... shadow76 2012/07/03 00:36:49
    Buoyant Leadraft
    Maybe he is a robot. I know Mitt Romney is even more robot-like.
  • shadow76 Buoyant... 2012/07/03 01:19:07
    shadow76
    +2
    BO is a sociopath, like both Clintons, Romney is not.
  • Buoyant... shadow76 2012/07/03 01:21:07
    Buoyant Leadraft
    +1
    the problem is they both creep me out and i don't want to have dinner and a beer with ether one of them. Wish we could get a real person in there to clean up this mess.
  • shadow76 Buoyant... 2012/07/03 01:27:41
    shadow76
    +1
    True, Except what real person could stand the savageing?
  • Buoyant... shadow76 2012/07/03 05:42:35
    Buoyant Leadraft
    +1
    LOL... i know i would melt like butter under the stress.
  • shadow76 Buoyant... 2012/07/03 06:18:30
    shadow76
    +2
    There is only one person that took more savaging than anyone ever and is still fighting back and people hate her for no reason, Sarah Palin.
  • Buoyant... shadow76 2012/07/03 06:24:57 (edited)
    Buoyant Leadraft
    +1
    Although i am not a fan of Sarah, i respect her. She is not someone i would ever vote for but I don't feel the need to be disrespectful toward her. Alaska didn't have much nice to say about her being Governor.
  • shadow76 Buoyant... 2012/07/03 13:22:58
    shadow76
    +1
    That depends on who you talk to. I appreciate the no disrespect, people can disagree and not get nasty. I have friends that are liberal. We just agree to disagree. One of them is Mormon and liberal.
  • Dogman shadow76 2012/07/04 12:45:17
    Dogman
    "Majorly"? Are you asking a question? When have you seen the president "show his lack of patriotism"? Bear in mind, I admire thoughtful deliberation over mindless flag waving.
  • shadow76 Dogman 2012/07/04 13:06:53
    shadow76
    +1
    He mocks patriotism. He is not smart enough to be thoughtful. He shows hate towards this country at every turn. His policies are destroying this country too!
  • Dogman shadow76 2012/07/04 13:11:55
    Dogman
    Can you cite an example to back up your claim?
  • shadow76 Dogman 2012/07/04 13:19:10
    shadow76
    +1
    The picture at the top of the page moron! It has been all over!
  • Dogman shadow76 2012/07/04 13:26:20
    Dogman
    I don't place my hand over heart during the national anthem either. I was taught to place my hand over my heart during the Pledge of Allegiance, not during the national anthem. If some people wish to hold their hands over their heart during the anthem, that's fine, but I think it's a leap to say that those who don't are unpatriotic. I usually hold my hat, join my hands, and sing every word. Does that make me unpatriotic?
  • shadow76 Dogman 2012/07/04 15:03:50
    shadow76
    +1
    Who was talking about the National Anthem till you just brought it up?
  • Dogman shadow76 2012/07/04 16:17:57
    Dogman
    The picture that you referred to is a picture of the president and three others listening to the national anthem.
  • Ozzyboy Dogman 2012/07/05 04:25:56
    Ozzyboy
    +2
    His crotch salute is indeed disrespectful and he has done it on many occasions. Apparently his handlers didn't get the message to him that it is disrespectful.
  • Dogman Ozzyboy 2012/07/05 18:14:18
    Dogman
    Reaching much? His hands are folded. You're really looking for something to bitch about, huh?
  • Ozzyboy Dogman 2012/07/05 21:23:41
    Ozzyboy
    +1
    Once or twice, maybe, but the continual crotch salute during our patriotic moments is exactly that, a crotch salute. He's given our country quite a lot to bitch about, don't ya think?
  • Dogman Ozzyboy 2012/07/06 00:28:44
    Dogman
    No, I don't. And you're really reaching when you say that any person who ever stood with their hands folded was delivering a "crotch salute". That's not the dumbest thing I've ever heard, but it's close.
  • Elementer Dwight-... 2012/07/02 05:59:16
    Elementer
    The wonderful about freedom of speech and expression, is that you're not forced to exhibit patriotism.
  • Dwight-... Elementer 2012/07/02 13:59:49 (edited)
    Dwight-AFCL>dogsbody
    +3
    I agree. And I'm very glad Barry did not pretend to care when he doesn't. I wouldn't want anyone forced to support something they don't believe in.

    But that don't mean I have to support him either. (edit for spelling)
  • Buoyant... Elementer 2012/07/03 01:27:18
  • Buoyant... Dwight-... 2012/07/03 00:38:26
    Buoyant Leadraft
    is he a secret Muslim Commie Marxist?
  • Dwight-... Buoyant... 2012/07/03 02:22:22
    Dwight-AFCL>dogsbody
    +2
    I have no idea what is in either his head or his heart. But what he chooses to show doesn't enlist my confidence.
  • shadow76 Buoyant... 2012/07/03 06:08:24
  • Buoyant... shadow76 2012/07/03 06:11:46
    Buoyant Leadraft
    Oh dear! What should I do? Vote for the green party? i can't support mittens
  • shadow76 Buoyant... 2012/07/03 06:15:33
    shadow76
    +2
    I know it is rock and hard place, but a vote for anyone else is vote for BO. Unless something happens at the convention we are stuck with him.
  • Buoyant... shadow76 2012/07/03 06:20:09
    Buoyant Leadraft
    +2
    My mom hates Obama.... She says she can't even stand to listen to his voice, it makes her ill. I am not sure that is the right reason to vote against him. Mitt gives me the creeps and Obama leaves me with a bitter aftertaste. We must vote though, they want us to feel hopeless and stay home.

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