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I'm not voting for Obama! WHO'S WITH ME!!!!

Cheese 2012/06/30 16:35:09
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  • StarWar... Al B Th... 2012/06/30 22:10:23
    StarWarsBob
    +1
    The Tea Party has lost it's steam. The last march was on March 24th, 2012 in Washington DC where several hundred showed up.
    http://www.reuters.com/articl...
  • Al B Th... StarWar... 2012/06/30 22:22:24
    Al B Thayer
    Well but now it's a tax. A tax! Got it? So what happened to the house? You can't stop the TP from voting It's A Tax right out of office. I just love SCOTUS.
  • StarWar... Al B Th... 2012/07/01 00:24:15
    StarWarsBob
    +1
    It's a penalty. Got it? A penalty, and it's only $95 or 1% of your income in 2014 and 2015, whichever is greater.

    And Americans favor increasing taxes on the rich by 2 to 1 and even greater for corporations by 70% to 26%.
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/14...
  • Al B Th... StarWar... 2012/07/01 02:13:06
    Al B Thayer
    Tax was what SC says.

    Real smart increasing taxes on the rich and corporations. It just gets passed on to the rest of the people as a cost of doing business. Do you honestly think "the rich" will just suck it up. Do you live in a fantasy land? What do you think Exxon and Walmart do when taxes go up? They pass it on to you. In fact they forecast the cost and increase prices before they are taxed.

    Those that favor taxing the rich more are not correct in their thinking due to missing the big picture. But Taxama won't tell you that.
  • StarWar... Al B Th... 2012/07/01 02:38:17
    StarWarsBob
    It's not a tax if you have health insurance through your employer or you buy it privately. The 250 million Americans that have health insurance will see no tax.

    Bill Clinton raised taxes on corporations and the rich in 1993, and the results were UNDENIABLE .

    "First, when Clinton won the White House, the federal budget deficit was at a historic high of $290 billion, 10 million Americans were out of work and the nation's economic growth rate under the outgoing Republican administration was the lowest in more than half a century. Clinton introduced his controversial economic plan that raised the income taxes of the richest 1.4 percent of Americans. We immediately heard from the Gloom and Doom congressional Republicans, every one of whom voted against the Clinton plan. Sen. Phil Gramm, R-Texas, announced, "This tax bill is a one-way ticket to a recession." House Republican Whip Newt Gingrich predicted, "This is the Democrat machine's recession, and each one of them will be held personally accountable.""

    "What followed is unarguable: creation of more than 22 million new jobs; the nation's lowest unemployment rate in 30 years; the lowest unemployment rate among women in 40 years; and the lowest Hispanic and African-American unemployment rate in history. The nation went from the largest...

    It's not a tax if you have health insurance through your employer or you buy it privately. The 250 million Americans that have health insurance will see no tax.

    Bill Clinton raised taxes on corporations and the rich in 1993, and the results were UNDENIABLE.

    "First, when Clinton won the White House, the federal budget deficit was at a historic high of $290 billion, 10 million Americans were out of work and the nation's economic growth rate under the outgoing Republican administration was the lowest in more than half a century. Clinton introduced his controversial economic plan that raised the income taxes of the richest 1.4 percent of Americans. We immediately heard from the Gloom and Doom congressional Republicans, every one of whom voted against the Clinton plan. Sen. Phil Gramm, R-Texas, announced, "This tax bill is a one-way ticket to a recession." House Republican Whip Newt Gingrich predicted, "This is the Democrat machine's recession, and each one of them will be held personally accountable.""

    "What followed is unarguable: creation of more than 22 million new jobs; the nation's lowest unemployment rate in 30 years; the lowest unemployment rate among women in 40 years; and the lowest Hispanic and African-American unemployment rate in history. The nation went from the largest budget deficits in history to the largest budget surpluses in history, while the average family's income went up more than $5,000."

    http://archives.cnn.com/2002/...
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  • James B... StarWar... 2012/06/30 21:07:04
    James Brice
    they said the same thing about Reagan during the summer before he trounced peanut boy
  • StarWar... James B... 2012/06/30 21:56:32
    StarWarsBob
    +1
    You could not be more wrong. In June, 1980 just four months before the election President Carter's approval rating was at 31% and it never reached above 37% before the election.
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/12...
    President Obama's current average approval rating is at 48%, and an average disapproval rating of 47.6%.
    http://www.realclearpolitics....
    Also, Ronald Reagan was arguably the most popular politician in the 20th century. Mitt Romney is just the exact opposite.

    In 2004, George Bush got 44% of the Hispanic vote, and four years later John McCain got 31% of the Hispanic vote. Right now Mitt Romney is polling at 14% of the Hispanic vote support, and he won't improve that number much, even if he picks Marco Rubio as his running mate. Romney won't win anything if he doesn't get 35% of their vote.
  • Hillary... StarWar... 2012/06/30 22:40:17
    HillaryLover
    Obama's 2008 win was a fluke. Actually, he won the election when the Democratic super-delegates, White leftists, and the DNC conspired to wrestle the nomination from Hillary Clinton. Keep in mind these important facts: 1) Blacks represents nearly 40% of registered Democrats. 2) in some heavily black populated southern states 50% or more registered Democrats are black. 3) The Congressional Black Caucus wields enormous power and influence within the Democratic party 4) Although there were seven major Democratic candidates in the 2008 primaries (Obama, Clinton, Biden, Edwards, Dodd, Richardson, Kucinich), Obama received 93% OF THE BLACK VOTES IN THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARIES AND CAUCUSES.5) The Obama campaign became a cause celebre, a civil rights movement, even though every Democratic candidate had a more stellar career than Obama in advocating for civil rights and human rights.6)The nation was reeling from 8 disastrous years of George W. Bush and wanted a change. 7) John McCain offered Sarah Palin. 8) Republican's threw up there hands and stayed on on election day. 9) Blacks, young folks, and assorted liberals swarmed the polls on election day in historic numbers. 10) President Barack Hussein Obama. "Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama...celebration time....come on..."

    The question in 2012 is: Are moderate and conservative as motivated to vote in 2012 as liberals were excited in 2008?
  • StarWar... Hillary... 2012/07/01 00:36:18
    StarWarsBob
    I disagree with your analysis of the 2008 election, but the point I want to make is that RealClearPolitics has been VERY ACCURATE in their averages of all the polls. In 2008, they were 0.3% off, and in 2004 they did better than that.
    Today RCP averages shows President Obama winning by 3.7%, by 47.5% to Romney's 43.8%. Virtually every poll except one since mid May shows President Obama winning, including Fox News and the Rasmussen Reports.
    http://www.realclearpolitics....
  • Hillary... StarWar... 2012/07/01 08:09:42
    HillaryLover
    I hope the polls are right, but 2012 just doesn't seem as assured for Democrats as did 2008. Obama core voter's, Blacks and young White liberals, don't seem that enthusiatic about thier man this time around. And, of course, Hillary Clinton supporter's are still smarting from the 2008 loss, and this time around Hillary won't be out on the stump making the case for Obama like she and Bill did in 2008.

    Republican's (I live in a Republican domnated district), seem very entergized - much more than they did in 2008. I predict a close race. Keep in mind, a 3.7 RCP poll gap is within the margin of error. Frankly, I am a bit concerned that Romney is doing as well as he is at this stage.
  • StarWar... Hillary... 2012/07/01 22:28:56
    StarWarsBob
    The key to the election of course is the swing states, and in Ohio, Florida and Virginia President Obama is poling well against Romney. In Ohio, according to the Quinnipiac University poll of 6-19 to 6-25, President Obama leads by 9 points, and in Florida he leads by 4 points.
    http://www.quinnipiac.edu/ins...
    President Obama won Florida in 2008 by less than 3 points and in Ohio he won by less than 5 points, so President Obama is polling better than what he got in 2008 in those key swing states. In Virginia, he leads by 5 points, a state he won by 6 points in 2008.

    But President Obama's core support has changed for this election. For the first time since the election of Ronald Reagan, I believe that the Republicans have lost the majority of the senior vote. This is due to the seniors that oppose Paul Ryan's budget proposals which would gut Medicare and turn it into a voucher system making seniors buy health insurance from the private companies. In one poll, 79% of seniors opposed the Ryan budget plan.
    http://www.prnewswire.com/new...
    In a poll done by CNN it showed 74% of seniors opposed the Ryan plan.
    http://politicalticker.blogs....
    Romney has voiced his support for the Paul Ryan budget plan.

    Another factor is the woman's vote, which will swing heavy for the Democrats this year becau...






    The key to the election of course is the swing states, and in Ohio, Florida and Virginia President Obama is poling well against Romney. In Ohio, according to the Quinnipiac University poll of 6-19 to 6-25, President Obama leads by 9 points, and in Florida he leads by 4 points.
    http://www.quinnipiac.edu/ins...
    President Obama won Florida in 2008 by less than 3 points and in Ohio he won by less than 5 points, so President Obama is polling better than what he got in 2008 in those key swing states. In Virginia, he leads by 5 points, a state he won by 6 points in 2008.

    But President Obama's core support has changed for this election. For the first time since the election of Ronald Reagan, I believe that the Republicans have lost the majority of the senior vote. This is due to the seniors that oppose Paul Ryan's budget proposals which would gut Medicare and turn it into a voucher system making seniors buy health insurance from the private companies. In one poll, 79% of seniors opposed the Ryan budget plan.
    http://www.prnewswire.com/new...
    In a poll done by CNN it showed 74% of seniors opposed the Ryan plan.
    http://politicalticker.blogs....
    Romney has voiced his support for the Paul Ryan budget plan.

    Another factor is the woman's vote, which will swing heavy for the Democrats this year because of the Republican anti abortion legislation in 15 states and their opposition for equal pay for woman legislation. Also, the Republicans and Romney want to cut federal funding for Planned Parenthood.

    Then there is the Hispanic vote. In 2004, George Bush got 44% of the Hispanic vote, and in 2008 John McCain got 31% of their vote. Right now Romney is polling at 14% support from Hispanics. This is partly due to Romney's take on Arizona's SB1070 bill, calling it a model for immigration policy.

    Other issues where Romney is way out of touch is with taxes on millionaires and billionaires and corporations. He wants to cut taxes for those groups, while the vast majority of Americans oppose that idea. According to Gallup, 70% want to increase taxes on corporations that are now making record profits, and 66% want to increase taxes on those making $200,000 a year and more.
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/14...

    Add in Romney's convoluted ideas on foreign policy and wanting to go back to the trickle down economic policies of the Bush years and deregulation that got us into the recession, and he doesn't have a chance to win. I don't believe Romney will even get 63 million votes. George Bush got 62 million in 2004 and John McCain got 60 million in 2008, while President Obama got 69.5 million.
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  • Hillary... StarWar... 2012/07/01 23:28:42
    HillaryLover
    I agree, Skywalker. All the indicators leans in a positive direction for Obama. (I will either vote for him or write in Hillary Clinton, but that should not negatively effect him in California.) Yes, the battleground states will determne outcome of the election, but I don't put much faith in (manipulated) polls.

    I have been around quite a while, having voted in every presidential election since 1964 (LBJ). I have NEVER voted Republican, but I usually knew four or five months before the election how things were trending. Accordingly, I am predicting a very tight race, that will be decided when Romney announces his running mate. He will either get a huge bump or suffer a fatal dump. (If you doubt the VP pick can make a difference, two words - Sarah Palin.)
  • StarWar... Hillary... 2012/07/02 04:46:15
    StarWarsBob
    My on line name comes from my knowledge and interest in missile defense systems, or Ronald Reagan's Star Wars program, not the movie.

    I too have been voting a long time, and my first election was in '72. The only election I got wrong was in 2000 where I predicted Al Gore to win, but I didn't count on the SCOTUS to intervene in the election process in Florida. Had the recount been allowed to continue, I still believe to this day that Al Gore would have won. Bush officially won Florida by 532 votes when the recount was stopped.

    I put more faith in the polls than you do. Not on one or two polls, but in the averages of all the polls. In 2008, from June 1 until the election, Barack Obama was leading McCain in 166 polls to McCain's lead in 14 polls with 8 polls in a tie. That was a 88.29% lead in all the polls taken. You can see all those polls here.
    http://www.realclearpolitics....
    The exact same thing is happening today. President Obama is leading Romney in 10 out of 12 polls taken since June 1, and there are two of those polls that have the race in a tie. That is a 83% lead in all polls taken.
    http://www.realclearpolitics....

    President Obama would have won the election no matter who John McCain's running mate was. At the end of his Presidency, George Bush had an average 29% approval ra...


    My on line name comes from my knowledge and interest in missile defense systems, or Ronald Reagan's Star Wars program, not the movie.

    I too have been voting a long time, and my first election was in '72. The only election I got wrong was in 2000 where I predicted Al Gore to win, but I didn't count on the SCOTUS to intervene in the election process in Florida. Had the recount been allowed to continue, I still believe to this day that Al Gore would have won. Bush officially won Florida by 532 votes when the recount was stopped.

    I put more faith in the polls than you do. Not on one or two polls, but in the averages of all the polls. In 2008, from June 1 until the election, Barack Obama was leading McCain in 166 polls to McCain's lead in 14 polls with 8 polls in a tie. That was a 88.29% lead in all the polls taken. You can see all those polls here.
    http://www.realclearpolitics....
    The exact same thing is happening today. President Obama is leading Romney in 10 out of 12 polls taken since June 1, and there are two of those polls that have the race in a tie. That is a 83% lead in all polls taken.
    http://www.realclearpolitics....

    President Obama would have won the election no matter who John McCain's running mate was. At the end of his Presidency, George Bush had an average 29% approval rating, and an average 65.2% disapproval rating. No Republican could have won the election with those kind of numbers tied to the last Republican President.
    http://www.realclearpolitics....

    Romney wants to do the exact same things that Bush and the Republicans did - cut taxes for the rich and corporations, deregulate financial products, slash social programs, and diminish the middle class. It doesn't matter how many millions of dollars the billionaires spend in the attempt to defeat President Obama - I guarantee he will win reelection.
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  • Hillary... StarWar... 2012/07/02 05:52:05
    HillaryLover
    I hope you're right, Starman. (Hey, I'm just ribbing you.) Although I can think of 20 to 30 Democrats that I would prefer over Obama, I can think of even more Democrats that I would vote for over ANY Republican.
  • StarWar... Hillary... 2012/07/02 20:12:52
    StarWarsBob
    +1
    I agree with you 100%. I was an ardent Hillary Clinton supporter, and I still feel that she should be the Vice President today. I can only hope that she might reconsider and run again in 2016.
  • ScoutLdr 2012/06/30 19:38:07
    I'm with you!
    ScoutLdr
    +7
    I've never voted for President Obama and won't start now! No Obama 2012
  • Nimitz 2012/06/30 19:35:38
    BLAH, NO!
    Nimitz
    I'm not voting for any of these ass appendages
  • JACK Nimitz 2012/07/03 15:29:06
    JACK
    +1
    Then you deserve what ever nasty comes down the pike, one thing in Romney's favor is he's a good American, maybe he has some faults but he's better than a radical Muslin in disguise.
  • Nimitz JACK 2012/07/03 18:41:36
    Nimitz
    I'm a libertarian. From my perspective the statist flavor of the month matters not.
  • dubbie 2012/06/30 19:31:41
    I'm with you!
    dubbie
    +8
    I,m with you, As well as ,The rest of the REAL AMERICANS
  • zepp77 2012/06/30 19:12:52
    I'm with you!
    zepp77
    +8
    ROMNEY 2012
  • betz 2012/06/30 19:11:17
    I'm with you!
    betz
    +8
    Oh I am so with you Cheese. I was with you in the last election also. I think there will be many many more who have seen the light and are joining us.
  • American Reformed 2012/06/30 18:46:07
    I'm with you!
    American Reformed
    +10
    I'm not voting for him.
  • apachehellfire65 2012/06/30 18:45:24
    I'm with you!
    apachehellfire65
    +13
    i think the majority of Americans will be with you on this!
  • Billyk75 2012/06/30 18:42:11
    I'm with you!
    Billyk75
    +13
    Vote Big Ears out!
  • Drachen 2012/06/30 18:40:59
    I'm with you!
    Drachen
    +15
    Your damn right I'm with you.

    get obama out of office
  • GeorgiaGirl 2012/06/30 18:30:08
    I'm with you!
    GeorgiaGirl
    +14
    I've never voted for Obama and don't plan on starting now!
    no vote obama
  • Dwight-AFCL>dogsbody 2012/06/30 18:28:36
    I'm with you!
    Dwight-AFCL>dogsbody
    +30
    Never did, never will.
    no obama
  • shadow76 Dwight-... 2012/07/01 13:31:58
    shadow76
    +4
    How many times has he shown his lack of patriotism or lack of any genuine feeling for this country, and people not think there is something majorly wrong here!
  • Dwight-... shadow76 2012/07/01 16:35:44
    Dwight-AFCL>dogsbody
    +4
    You know, his wife never did specifie which country of hers she was proud of, never named it. I have yet to hear either of them voice any pride in "America".

    If that's ever happened I would like someone to show me.
  • shadow76 Dwight-... 2012/07/01 17:57:34
    shadow76
    +4
    I don't do a whole lot of listening to either one, I haven't heard her happy about anything except ritsy vacations abroad!
  • Dogman Dwight-... 2012/07/04 12:53:56
    Dogman
    Are you proposing that Michelle is foreign born? That's perfect! Just when I thought birthers can't become more foolish - here you are. I have heard both the president and the first lady speak of America with patriotic words. But, my guess is that they're both aware of our proud history, as well as our not so proud history.
  • Dwight-... Dogman 2012/07/04 14:07:06
    Dwight-AFCL>dogsbody
    +2
    No I'm not proposing that Michelle was other than American born.

    What I am Stating is that her concern and pride in her native land is so low that she can't even name it.
  • Dogman Dwight-... 2012/07/04 14:08:23
    Dogman
    What do you think she should have pride in?
  • Dwight-... Dogman 2012/07/05 03:14:53
    Dwight-AFCL>dogsbody
    +1
    I think that if she is able to "feel pride in her country" she should at least be able to name it. And she never has.

    It makes me curious why she hasn't. If she has, please share evidence with me and I'll retract my statement.
  • Deb Dwight-... 2012/07/05 17:53:12
    Deb
    +1
    "All of this for a Flag"? -M. Obama.....She is sickening.
  • Dwight-... Deb 2012/07/05 17:57:06
    Dwight-AFCL>dogsbody
    +1
    Your a doll, Deb. Thanks
  • Deb Dwight-... 2012/07/21 22:27:48
    Deb
    +1
    No thanks needed.;)
  • Dogman Dwight-... 2012/07/05 18:12:56
    Dogman
    +1
    Please answer my question. What do you think she should have pride in?
  • Dwight-... Dogman 2012/07/05 18:18:39
    Dwight-AFCL>dogsbody
    +1
    If she can't ID it, Dogman, I sure won't define it in for her.

    What do You think she should, or should not, have pride in?

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