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If we go to heaven immediately at death, why did Jesus say He was coming back to get us to take us to where He is?

jt 2010/01/05 16:54:03
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  • Wondering 2011/02/25 12:38:40
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    He is coming back to give us new bodies for the new earth. A body that is immortal and young forever.

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  • kobidobidog 2013/12/08 22:22:00
    kobidobidog
    Heaven needs to be in you before the soul can endure God's light. His character shown to others .
  • Wondering 2011/02/25 12:38:40
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    He is coming back to give us new bodies for the new earth. A body that is immortal and young forever.
  • Sattesh 2010/06/19 04:11:41
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    In LUKE 23:43 Jesus answered him, "Truly I tell you today you will be with me in paradise."

    The problem happened during the translation. The original language of The Book Luke was Greek. When they translated it to english, instead of putting the comma infront of today, they put it infront of you.

    So instead of "Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise."

    it became "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise."

    But dont worry much about it, if you accepted Jesus with all your heart, will be saved
  • FREED Speaks Up 2010/01/14 17:22:59
    FREED Speaks Up
    What Scripture are you refering to jt? It would help me in answering the question.
  • CyberFerret 2010/01/10 05:32:01
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    The apostles clearly taught that it is appointed once for all to die and then comes their individual judgment. The body dies but the spirit returns to God from Whom it originated and upon doing so stands in Judgment before Him. Unless Jesus was lying or delusional when He told the thief who was dying on a cross close to the one upon which He was nailed the assurance was, "Today, you will be with me in paradise." The thief certainly understood the immediacy of the promise and I think we should do so as well. Those who teach "soul sleep" are doing so contrary to Scriptural teachings and Jesus' clear references to the afterlife which begins at death. Jesus' parable of the rich man in hell and Lazarus and the chasm between the two, along with the rich man suffering the flames of Hell and having an unquenchable thirst and his calling out to Abraham is more than adequate evidence of what happens to us when we die and our spirits separate from our bodies.
  • K.S. 2010/01/09 22:51:05
    K.S.
    Where Do We Go When We Die? (Written By: K. S.)

    If we are a child of God do we really go to Heaven when we die? Most Christians today believe that we do. It is a very solemn subject for many who have loved ones whom have passed away. But for others, death is a shrouded mystery that they long to unveil. Is it possible to know what happens to us after we have breathed our last breath? Let’s see what the final authority, God’s word, has to say about it.

    Before we continue, it is necessary to ask a question in which the answer might be hard for some to accept, but here goes. Would you be shocked to find out that you don’t have a soul, but in fact you are a soul? Don’t slam the door of your mind just yet. There is proof, and it doesn’t matter what some of us have been taught or believe, it’s what the word of God says that truly matters. God has the answers to all of life’s tough questions, so we can trust Him to show us the truth. Let’s start at the beginning, and by that I mean Genesis. In Genesis chapter 2 verse 7 we can read as follows:

    “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”

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    Where Do We Go When We Die? (Written By: K. S.)

    If we are a child of God do we really go to Heaven when we die? Most Christians today believe that we do. It is a very solemn subject for many who have loved ones whom have passed away. But for others, death is a shrouded mystery that they long to unveil. Is it possible to know what happens to us after we have breathed our last breath? Let’s see what the final authority, God’s word, has to say about it.

    Before we continue, it is necessary to ask a question in which the answer might be hard for some to accept, but here goes. Would you be shocked to find out that you don’t have a soul, but in fact you are a soul? Don’t slam the door of your mind just yet. There is proof, and it doesn’t matter what some of us have been taught or believe, it’s what the word of God says that truly matters. God has the answers to all of life’s tough questions, so we can trust Him to show us the truth. Let’s start at the beginning, and by that I mean Genesis. In Genesis chapter 2 verse 7 we can read as follows:

    “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”

    God formed the first man (Adam) by His mighty power from the dust of the earth, and then breathed the breath of life into his nostrils. In other words, after he formed man from the dust, He jump-started his lungs and started his process of involuntary breathing. Once started, it would continue until the day he died. In turn, man is born today of a woman and in that moment that he is delivered from his mother’s womb, God breathes the breath of life into the baby’s nostrils and the child begins to breath. Divine breath, wow! Only God Almighty can give it and create Life. This verse goes on to say that after God performed this miracle of life giving breath, that it was then that man “became a living soul”.

    It is the combination of two things that make up a soul; body and breath. Therefore, we have the basic formula for life.

    The body + the divine breath of God = a living soul

    If these two things form “a living soul” then we can easily deduce that the basic formula for death is the separation of these same two things.

    The body – the divine breath of God = a dead soul

    Can’t you see now that the truth is we don’t have a soul, we actually are a soul? It’s not a bad thing, it’s simply the way it is. It sure is a lot less complicated, isn’t it?

    Now that we understand how life begins and ends, how did people come to believe that you don’t die completely? How did they come to believe that only the body dies, and that there is an inner man, some separate being that travels alone to be with God. These lies have been crafted and retold again and again throughout the centuries, but they all started with one basic lie. Who was it that first perpetuated the lie that we don’t really die? Let’s look in the book of Genesis once again to find the answer.

    "Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:" (Genesis 3:1-4)

    The serpent (Satan) is described as being the most subtle (or in other words sneaking and underhanded) beast that God had made. It is the serpent who starts the conversation with subtlety saying “Yes, hasn’t God said that you shall not eat from any tree in the garden?” Satan was baiting the woman and setting his trap. And the woman said “No, we may eat freely of all the trees in the garden except the one in the middle of the garden. God said that we shall not eat from it or even touch it, or we will die! And then what did Satan say? He said “You won’t surely (or really) die”. It was Satan himself, the “father of lies”, who first started this lie that we don’t really die. Satan continues to craft his pitfall with deception.


    “For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.” (Genesis 3:5)

    Again, Satan lies, saying that the only reason that God told them not to eat it was because He knew that the day that they ate from that forbidden fruit, their eyes would be open and then they could be like gods, knowing good and evil. They would be enlightened, know everything, just like God himself. Come into a higher consciousness, create their own god, or even become their own god.

    And what did the woman do? She believed the lie, as many people in the world still do today.

    “And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.” (Genesis 3:6)

    She saw that it was good for food. It was pleasant to the eyes and something to be desired. This was the first sin by mankind. God had provided everything that Adam and Eve could ever need, but by the temptation of Satan and through the lust of the eyes and covetousness, Eve fell. She then shared this temptation with her husband Adam, and because he trusted her, she convinced him to do likewise. This was how sin entered into this world. This was the beginning of the fall of all mankind.

    God had no other choice but to ban Adam and Eve from the garden in Eden, because there was yet another tree in the garden. It was the tree of Life. Now that they had sinned, they must now be separated from the tree of life, or they could reach forth their hand and take from it, and then they would live forever, in sin! Because of their sin and their necessary separation from the tree of Life which provided immortality, and because we are all their sinful descendants, we are all condemned to death.

    “For the wages of sin is death.” (Romans 6:23)

    We have all sinned, therefore we are all subject to death.

    “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.”
    (Hebrews 9:27)

    Everyone is under the law of death. It is appointed unto us, therefore we must all die at least once, unless we are alive when our Savior Christ Jesus returns, in which case we would be translated from morality to immortality.

    “In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.”
    (Genesis 3:19)

    All of the heartache and misery in this world is because of that one lie, “You won’t really die”. Oh yes, but you will really die.

    Well, let’s get back to the matter of the soul of man.

    Many people who own pets consider them to be just like a family member, but most would agree that they don’t have what the world would consider a soul. Well, according to the Bible we are more alike than most people would think.

    “I said to myself concerning the sons of men, "God has surely tested them in order for them to see that they are but beasts." For the fate of the sons of men and the fate of beasts is the same. As one dies so dies the other; indeed, they all have the same breath and there is no advantage for man over beast, for all is vanity. Who knows that the breath of man ascends upward and the breath of the beast descends downward to the earth? I have seen that nothing is better than that man should be happy in his activities, for that is his lot. For who will bring him to see what will occur after him?” (Ecclesiastes 3:18-22)

    This verse states as a matter of fact that a man is no different from an animal when it comes to whether or not either of us have a soul. It asks the question “Who knows (who can say) that the breath of man ascends upward and the breath of the beast descends downward to the earth?” meaning no one can say that the breath of man goes up to heaven while the breath of an animal goes down to the earth (or the grave). It says that God has tested the sons of men and has shown them that they have no preeminence over an animal, when the breath leaves either of our bodies both man and animal die. You see, without the breath, there is no life.

    Here’s another scripture that speaks about the breath of life.

    “Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live. So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.” (Ezekiel 37:9, 10)

    If you read Ezekiel chapter 37 in its entirety, you will see that it is a prophecy of the resurrection of the whole house of Israel. It is very descriptive telling how the bones will come together, and how the muscles and flesh will be formed back over the bones as God recreates those of the house of Israel. But notice that after they are recreated there is still one vital thing lacking. It is not until the breath of life is put back into them, that they are able to rise up off of the ground to stand before the Lord as “an exceeding great army”.

    Wow, that puts goose bumps on the back of my neck when I read this chapter!

    As Christians, we are grafted into the vine of Israel, and that would make us part of the house of Israel, so guess who will be in God’s army? We will, Amen!

    All through the Bible, God’s word speaks of the soul living and the soul dying. Here are several examples.


    “He that keepeth the commandment keepeth his own soul (life); but he that despiseth his ways shall die.” (Proverbs 19:16)


    “Behold, all souls (lives) are mine; as the soul (life) of the father, so also the soul (life) of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.” (Ezekiel 18:4)

    “The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.” (Ezekiel 18:20, 21)



    “Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul (life) alive.” (Ezekiel 18:27)

    Here you can see that the soul who does God’s will and does what is right shall live, but the soul that sins will die. The word soul translates into many different meanings in the Bible, but never does it mean something separate from the body. These are a few more examples:

    “But the soul (person) that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul (person) shall be cut off from among his people.” (Numbers15:30)

    “But the soul (person) that eateth of the flesh of the sacrifice of peace offerings, that pertain unto the LORD, having his uncleanness upon him, even that soul (person) shall be cut off from his people.” (Leviticus 7:20)

    The word soul in these verses translates to “person” or “being”.

    This next scripture is speaking about our Savior.


    “Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul (life) unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.” (Isaiah 53:12-Speaking of Jesus)

    Jesus poured out His soul unto death. His soul died.

    This next example calls us to the most important service of our lives.

    “Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul (life) from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.” (James 5:20)

    If we convince a person to give his life to God and accept the sacrifice of His Son Jesus, then we have helped God save his soul from death! What an honor and a privilege it is to help save a soul. There is no higher calling.

    Study this next verse carefully.

    “For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul (life)?” (Mark 8:36)

    This verse plainly states that a man can “lose his own soul”. Well if he has lost it, then he no longer has it, right? He has lost it, meaning it is dead. If a man gains all of the riches that this world has to offer, but suppresses the truth, ignores God, and misses out on the most precious prize of all, the freely given gift of eternal life, then he will lose this gift of life and perish. His soul will truly be lost.

    “Yea, his soul draweth near unto the grave, and his life to the destroyers.”
    (Job 33:22)

    This one liner says the soul is drawing near to the grave. Why would a soul be going into a grave? Because that is where it goes when it dies.

    Here’s a verse of future prophecy from the book of Revelation.

    “And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul (creature) died in the sea.” (Revelation 16:3)

    In this verse of scripture, the word soul translates to mean “creatures”. Every living thing in the oceans of this world, will die when this plague is released.

    They are many more scriptures in the Bible that explain the true essence of the soul, but this is the last one that I will cite in this lesson.

    “And they took it, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof, and all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining, according to all that he had done to Eglon; but destroyed it utterly, and all the souls that were therein.” (Joshua 10:37)

    Joshua and all the men of Israel fought against these men of Hebron, and this story tells us that they not only destroyed the city, but they also destroyed the souls of the occupants of the city. If a mortal man can destroy a soul, then it must be very tangible.

    Some of the confusion of what happens to us when we die, comes from tradition. Your grandfather, grandmother, mother, or father may have been taught to believe this way so they pass these teachings on to you by tradition. Some have simply misinterpreted the scriptures by personal mistranslation or because the original translators of the Bible made mistakes in punctuation. Let’s look at a few examples.

    First, let’s look at the well known scripture about the “thief on the cross”. Although mentioned in all the four of the gospels, Luke is the only one who gives mention of the conversation between Our Lord Jesus and the thief on the cross.

    “One of the criminals who were hanged there was hurling abuse at Him, saying, “Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!” But the other answered, and rebuking him said, “Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.” And he was saying, “Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!” And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.”
    (Luke 23:39-43)

    Matthew, Mark, and John all make mention of the two thieves (one on either side of Jesus) but none of them make mention of this conversation.

    (Matthew 27:38)
    “At that time two robbers were crucified with Him, one on the right and one on the left.”

    (Matthew 27:44)
    “The robbers who had been crucified with Him were also insulting Him with the same words.”

    (Mark 15:27-28)
    “And with him they crucify two thieves; the one on his right hand, and the other on his left. And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.”

    (John 19:18)
    “Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.”

    Matthew writes that both thieves mocked Jesus about being the Son of God. Luke himself was not an eye witness to the crucifixion of Our Savior Jesus. He relied on eyewitness accounts of other people and other written sources. After investigating what had happened, he then compiled his information and gave it to a nobleman named Theophilus (see the book of “Acts”), who was probably the one who generously had the writings of “The Gospel According To Luke” and the book of “Acts” published. I’m not trying to imply that this conversation didn’t take place. I’m merely trying to show that only one of the gospels records it. Did this conversation actually take place? For me, the Bible says it, I believe it, and that settles it!

    Most of us know that the Bible was not originally written in chapters and verses, or even punctuated for that matter. That’s where the problem is within this verse of scripture. It’s not the words written that are incorrect, it’s the punctuation. Let me explain. The Bible was translated by scholars of the time who were not necessarily men of faith. Though very well educated and capable of translating writings, they were human none the less, and susceptible to making mistakes. If we look at the scripture in Luke 23:43 it appears to say that Jesus is telling the thief on the cross that he (the thief) will be in Paradise with Him (Jesus) that same day that they died, however lets look a little closer.
    If we read it like it is punctuated it reads:

    "Truly, I say to you (comma) today you shall be with Me in Paradise."

    It does in fact appear to be saying just that. But look what happens when we move the comma one word to the right.

    "Truly, I say to you today (comma) you shall be with Me in Paradise."

    Now it reads like it probably should. Jesus is actually saying that “Truly, I’m telling you this day, you will be with Me in paradise”. I know that you may be thinking that I’m taking liberties with the Word of God that I shouldn’t be taking, but what I’m telling you must be true or Jesus Himself is a liar and we all know that is not true. Once again let me explain. Let’s look at the scripture in the book of John 20:1 and 17 when Mary Magdalene visited the tomb of Jesus after He had risen.


    “The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulcher.”
    (John 20-1)

    “Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away. Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” (John 20-17)

    As you can see, this is two days after Jesus and the thief on the cross had their conversation and died. Jesus says to Mary Magdalene that He has not yet been to Heaven (Paradise). That is proof spoken from Jesus’ own lips that the comma in Luke 23:43 must be misplaced. Jesus can’t lie, so He couldn’t have told the thief on the cross that he would go to Heaven that day. He was only proclaiming to him that day that he would join Jesus in Paradise when He came into His Kingdom upon His return.

    Another scripture that might appear to be suggesting that we go to Heaven when we die is 2 Corinthians 5:6-10.

    “We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”

    If this were the only scripture we had to base our decision on what happens to us when we die, then we would probably conclude that when we leave our bodies our soul would be in Heaven with the Lord. Let’s look a little closer.

    “Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)”

    Careful study of this scripture will show that Paul is talking about our earthly, fleshly bodies in contrast to our heavenly bodies that we will be changed into at the resurrection when Christ Jesus returns. Let’s look at 2 Corinthians chapter 5, verses 1 through 5.

    “For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.”

    Here Paul says that we groan (or sigh) in our earthly houses, being unclothed and absent from the presence of God, longing to be clothed in our heavenly house designed in Heaven by God so that we won’t be found naked (or ashamed).
    This body will be holy and covered in the righteousness of Christ Jesus, and will allow us to be present with the Lord. This new house or body is made immortal and replaces our mortal body, “that mortality might be swallowed up of life”. We are comforted by God’s Holy Spirit so that we can know that on the day of our Lord, we will receive Heavenly houses (immortal bodies) that cannot be dissolved. These bodies will enjoy Eternal Life in the presence of our God, Amen! Therefore, we must walk by faith and not by sight.

    If this scripture means that we can somehow leave our bodies as a form of spirit or ghost and be present with God, then when Jesus died why didn’t He leave His body here on earth to go be with His Father, Our God.

    If we read Luke 24:36-43, we can see that Jesus was in the same body that He died in, because He showed the disciples His hands and feet that were wounded from having been nailed to the cross. And also that He was indeed alive in His body and desired something to eat!

    “And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. And he said unto them, “Why are ye troubled? And why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.” And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet. And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, “Have ye here any meat?” And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. And he took it, and did eat before them.”

    Jesus had not only risen from the grave in His own body, but He took that same body to Heaven with Him, as shown in Luke 24:51

    “And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.”

    Jesus the Son of God, Our Savior, didn’t go to Heaven without His body, so why would God’s children be any different and go to Heaven without their bodies. The fact is, they don’t.

    Most Christians would think that King David, who was called “a man after God’s own heart” and a prophet of God, would have long since gone to Heaven to receive his reward. Well, not according to Acts 2:22-35.

    “Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance. Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.”

    “Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul (body) was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, until I make thy foes thy footstool.”

    This scripture says that David has not ascended into heaven and that his grave is here among us, on this earth, even unto this day.

    As we saw earlier, the word “soul” is used throughout the writings of God’s word and has several different meanings, such as, “life, body, being, creature, thought, and mind”. And remember the word “soul” is also used to describe animals. Never is the word “soul” used to describe something separate from the body.

    Likewise, the word “hell” is used only 54 times in the entire Bible, in the which it simply means “the grave”.

    The scripture above also says that Jesus’ soul (or body) was in hell (the grave). Isaiah 53:10 says Jesus’ soul (life) was an offering for our sin.

    “Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul (life) an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.”

    And verse 12 says that Jesus’ soul (life) actually ended.

    “Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul (body, life) unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.”

    The wages of sin is death. Our sin requires that we die. Christ Jesus became our unblemished sacrificial lamb, the “Lamb of God”. He sacrificed Himself in our stead. We should all Praise the Lord Jesus for the brutality and the punishment that He endured that was rightfully ours, and thank God Almighty for loving us so much that He would give us His only Son to die in our place. It was our sin that caused Christ Jesus to have to die. Again, the wages of sin is death. Jesus didn’t just partially die, he died completely. Jesus poured out His soul unto death. It wasn’t just His body that died. His entire "being" died. He gave it all. Yes everything, so that we could all have eternal life if we would only choose to accept it. That we no longer have to die for our own sins is only part of the good news. Jesus didn’t just die for us, He arose for us!

    “I am He that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell (the grave) and of death.” (Revelation 1:18)

    Yes, Jesus has conquered death and hell (the grave), and has the keys (the power to unlock) hell (the grave) and (overcome) death, Amen! That He has overcome death and robbed it of its sting is the very power of the resurrection of Christ Jesus! He holds the keys that unlock the grave. He has the power to awaken us from our sleep and to call us back from the darkness of death. Let’s take a look at the scripture in Job that explains that we will wait in the grave until the Lords’ return. The Lord will recreate us with His own hands and then call us, and we will hear Him and come forth, rising up from the grave in our new (changed) Heavenly bodies. Thank God He holds the keys! to see what it has to say about what happens to us when we die.

    “Man that is born of a woman is of few days and full of trouble. He cometh forth like a flower, and is cut down: he fleeth also as a shadow, and continueth not. And doth thou open thine eyes upon such an one, and bringest me into judgment with thee? Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one. Seeing his days are determined, the number of his months are with thee, thou hast appointed his bounds that he cannot pass; Turn from him, that he may rest, till he shall accomplish, as an hireling, his day. For there is hope of a tree, if it be cut down, that it will sprout again, and that the tender branch thereof will not cease. Though the root thereof wax old in the earth, and the stock thereof die in the ground; Yet through the scent of water it will bud, and bring forth boughs like a plant. But man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost (when directly translated means breath), and where is he? As the waters fail from the sea, and the flood decayeth and drieth up: So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands. For now thou numberest my steps: dost thou not watch over my sin? My transgression is sealed up in a bag, and thou sewest up mine iniquity.”


    Notice the language used here. “Lieth down, and riseth not: (For how long?) till the heavens be no more, (What is his condition?) they shall not awake or be raised out of their sleep. (And where is he?) O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, (For how long?) until thy wrath be past, (And then what?) that thou wouldest appoint me a set time , and remember me!”

    Now we know where we go when we die, but what happens then. The question is asked “If a man die, shall he live again?”

    That’s a great question, but what is the answer?

    “All the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work for thine hands.”

    There’s that new body.

    We will wait in the grave until the Lords’ return. The Lord will recreate us with His own hands and then call us, and we will hear Him and come forth, rising up from the grave in our new (changed) Heavenly bodies. Thank God He holds the keys! Amen again!

    Throughout God’s holy word, death is referred to as sleep. Sleep, being and unconscious state, is not unlike death. Whether a person has died 2000 years ago or just yesterday, They won’t know how long they have been dead (asleep) or even that they were dead (sleeping) for that matter until they wake up (are resurrected).

    Here are a several examples of death being referred to as sleep in the scriptures of the Bible.

    “And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.” (Deuteronomy 31:16) 14

    “And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his
    kingdom.” (2 Samuel 7:12)


    When we die, we will sleep in our graves like our forefathers.

    “And why dost thou not pardon my transgression, and take away my iniquity? for now shall I sleep in the dust; and thou shalt seek me in the morning, but I shall not be.” (Job 7:12)

    “Consider and hear me, O LORD my God: lighten mine eyes, lest I sleep the sleep of death;” (Psalms 13:3)

    When we die, we sleep the sleep of death in the dust or in other words, the grave.

    “And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.” (Daniel 12:1-3)

    Daniel foresees the children of God and the wicked that are asleep in their graves resurrected. The children of God are resurrected unto everlasting life and the wicked are resurrected unto everlasting death.

    “These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.” (John 11:11-14)

    “And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not; she is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn, knowing that she was dead. And he put them all out, and took her by the hand, and called, saying, Maid, arise.”
    (Luke 8:52-54)

    Jesus again gives testimony of the truth. With His own lips He says that death is the same as being asleep.

    “Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.” (Ephesians 5:14)

    This verse is comparing walking in the darkness of the flesh as being asleep and receiving the light of Christ’s truth as being resurrected from the dead. He again refers to death as being asleep.

    “For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.” (1 Corinthians 15:8)

    Here it is plainly said, without the resurrection, everyone who has “fallen asleep in Christ” (or died in Christ), would be lost forever. Thank God for the power of the resurrection, Amen? Amen.

    While attending many funerals in the past, it has always bothered me that during the initial service in the funeral home sanctuary, the preacher or pastor would always point to the deceased and proclaim that they were not the person that we knew and loved, it was merely his or her empty shell (or body). And then they will continue by saying, without any scriptural evidence whatsoever, that their soul had been caught up to be with Jesus.

    If this in fact is true, then why do they always contradict themselves at the grave site when they do give scriptural evidence of the resurrection of our Lord, Christ Jesus? It seems that they will almost always quote 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18.

    “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.”

    I’ve got to tell you that throughout the years those words, or I should say the way that those words were being presented, didn’t “comfort” me at all, instead they confused me. If they were already in Heaven with the Lord, then why would He have to come back, open up the grave, take them out of the grave, recreate them with an immortal body, and then take them back up to Heaven again. Huh? See what I mean, that is confusing.

    Why don’t they ever quote the verses just before 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18? It is in these verses where Paul explains the condition of those about to be resurrected.

    (1 Thessalonians 4: 13-18)
    “But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.”

    Paul says here that he does not want for us to be “ignorant” about those who have died before us, as some are, who believe that their loved ones are just simply gone. He also wants us to understand that the dead won’t be left out of God’s Kingdom. The dead and the living will be caught up together to meet our Blessed Savior Jesus Christ in the air!
    Praise the Lord!

    Here is another scripture that not only tells us that we sleep in the grave when we die, but it also tells us when we will be resurrected from our sleep in the grave.


    “But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.”
    (1 Corinthians 15:20-23)

    Here Paul continues to reveal the truth. He tells us that there is an order to the resurrection. Yes, an order. Christ the firstfruits (the very best first) and then those which are His (the children of God) at His coming, not before.

    By now you’re probably thinking “That’s a lot of information that I didn’t know, about what happens to us when we die”. Yeah, that’s what I thought the first time I saw these truths. Well, guess what? There’s more, a lot more. Isn’t God great? He will always have more truth to show us if we will diligently seek Him.

    In translating the Bible, the scholars used a lot of words like spirit and ghost, but once again these words have different meanings depending upon how they are used. As time has passed, Eastern mysticism has crept into our worlds’ different cultures. There are certain beliefs that have mingled with the truth of the precious word of God and distorted it. I would like to show you a few examples. Let’s look at Ecclesiastes 9:5-10 to continue.

    “For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in anything that is done under the sun. Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works. Let thy garments be always white; and let thy head lack no ointment. Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun. Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.”

    Did you know that once we die we don’t know anything? Did you know that once we die there is no more work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave? Wow, that sure is contradictory to what the world teaches us, isn’t it?

    How many times have we been told that when we die our ghost or spirit goes floating off somewhere or that our soul goes to up to heaven. Well, that’s not what we just read in God’s word is it? No, it isn’t. Let’s take a look at a few more scriptures.

    “For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?” (Psalms 6:5)

    “The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.”
    (Psalms 115:17)

    “For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth. The living, the living, he shall praise thee, as I do this day: the father to the children shall make known thy truth.”
    (Isaiah 38:18, 19)

    These scriptures tell us that we can’t remember anything, or know God’s truth, or give thanks and praise to the Lord because we go down into the silence of the grave. We are simply dead.

    There are some who believe that a spiritual medium (soothsayer) can help them contact their dear departed loved ones, but that’s just not true. Let’s see what God’s word has to say about this important matter.

    “As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. He shall return no more to his house, neither shall his place know him any more.” (Job 7:9, 10)

    A man cannot go back to his house once he has died, and no one in the house can know (or talk) to him anymore. So, if someone tells you that they have talked to the dead, you can be sure that it was a demon posing as the dead and not the ghost of a man or a woman! The word of God is more than plain about the state of the dead. When we die we simply rest in the grave until the resurrection. Have you ever been to a grave site and seen a headstone that read “R.I.P.” (Rest In Peace) or “Asleep in Jesus”. Whoever placed those headstones must have known what God’s word said about the dearly departed dead.

    In parting, let me make one more extremely vital statement. When God’s word speaks of sleeping in the grave, we’re not actually sleeping. It is not talking about what some would call “soul sleep”. The soul is not sleeping, the soul is literally dead. Remember the body without the breath is a dead soul. Sleep is only a metaphor for the unconscious state of the dead. Just like in sleep we are not conscious to time or our surroundings, so it is the same with death also.

    I hope that this Bible lesson has helped you better understand where we go when we die. And if we should pass away before the coming of our Lord, Jesus Christ, then may we all "sleep in Jesus". Amen!

    A few subject related definitions of words used in scripture

    soul=1. Hebrew meaning nephesh/neh’-fesh from nephash/naw-fash’ (to breathe, pass, to be breathed upon, refreshed as if by a current of air, a breathing creature i.e. animal, vitality, accommodate, to sense-bodily or mentally, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, dead-ly, desire, dis-contented, fish, ghost, greedy, he, heart-y, hath jeopardy of life, in jeopardy of life, lust, man, me, mind, mortality, one, own, person, pleasure, [her, him, my, thy-self,], [them, your-selves], slay, soul, tablet, they, thing, she will, she would have it) 2. Greek meaning pneuma/pnyoo’-mah from pneo (to breath hard, breeze, blow, a current of air, breath, blast, figuratively a spirit, [human-the rational soul, vital principal, mental disposition], [superhuman-an angel, demon, or divine God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost, life, spirit/spiritual/spiritually, mind]) 2. Hebrew meaning nediybah/ned-ee-baw’ (nobility, reputation:-soul) 3.Greek meaning psuche/psoo-khay’ (heart-ily, life, mind, soul, vitality –even of plants)

    spirit=1. Hebrew meaning ruwach/roo’-akh ( to blow, breathe, to smell, perceive, to anticipate, enjoy, accept, touch, make of quick understanding, wind; by resemblance breath, a sensible-or even violent-exhalation, life, anger, un-substantiality, a region of the sky: by resemblance spirit- but only of a rational being, air, blast, breath, cool, courage, mind, quarter, side, tempest, vain, wind) 2. Hebrew meaning ‘owb/obe (father, chief, forefather, fatherless, patrimony, principal, prattling a father’s name, mumble, a water skin-because of it’s hollow sound, a necromancer-one who appears to speak with the dead by acting as a ventriloquist-as if voices are coming from a jar or bottle, familiar spirit-as in a demon pretending to be the dead) 3. Chaldee meaning neshamah/nesh-aw-maw from nishma (vital breath:-breath, wind, angry, divine inspiration, intellect, an animal:-blast, breath, inspiration, soul, spirit) 4. Chaldee meaning ruwach/roo’-akh (breath, spirit, mind, spirit, wind)

    Spirit=1. Greek meaning pneuma/pnyoo’-mah from pneo (to breath hard, breeze, blow, a current of air, breath, blast, figuratively a spirit, [human-the rational soul, vital principal, mental disposition], [superhuman-an angel, demon, or divine God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost, life, spirit/spiritual/spiritually, mind]) 2. Greek meaning pneumatikos/pnyoo-mat-ik-os’ ([humanly-ethereal, very light airy, delicate, upper regions of space, heavenly, not earthly, celestial], [demonically-a spirit], [divinely-supernatural, regenerate, religious, spiritual]) 3. Greek meaning pneumatikos/pnyoo-mat-ik-ose’ (non-physically, divinely, figuratively-spiritually)

    ghost=1. Hebrew meaning gava’/gaw-vah’ (to breath out, expire, die, be dead, give up the ghost, perish) 2. Hebrew meaning nephesh/neh’-fesh from nephash/naw-fash’ (to breathe, pass, to be breathed upon, refreshed as if by a current of air, a breathing creature i.e. animal, vitality, accommodate, to sense-bodily or mentally, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, dead-ly, desire, dis-contented, fish, ghost, greedy, he, heart-y, hath jeopardy of life, in jeopardy of life, lust, man, me, mind, mortality, one, own, person, pleasure, [her, him, my, thy-self,], [them, your-selves], slay, soul, tablet, they, thing, she will, she would have it) 2. Greek meaning pneuma/pnyoo’-mah from pneo (to breath hard, breeze, blow, a current of air, breath, blast, figuratively a spirit, [human-the rational soul, vital principal, mental disposition], [superhuman-an angel, demon, or divine God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost, life, spirit/spiritual/spiritually, mind]) 3. Greek meaning ekpneo/ek-pneh’-o (to expire, give up the ghost) 4. Greek meaning ekpsucho/ek-psoo’-kho (to expire, give [yield] up he ghost)

    Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit=Same as the divine definition of ghost and the divine definition of spirit

    hell= (used only 54 times in the entire Bible and almost every time it means the grave) 1. Hebrew meaning sheowl/ sheoll , used 32 times for (place of the dead or the grave), 2. Greek from Hebrew orgin meaning geenna/gheh-en-nah, used 11 times for valley of [the son of] Hinnom / gehenna /Ge-Hinnom (a valley of Jerus), used figuratively as a name for the place (or state) of eternal punishment (or the grave), 3. Greek meaning hades/hah-dace, used 10 times for (place of the dead or the grave), 4. Greek meaning tartaroo/tar-tar-o-o, used 1 time for (the deepest abyss of Hades, to capture in eternal punishment, cast down to hell, or the grave)

    Always remember this:
    "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?" (1 Corinthians 15:52-55)

    Don’t ever be afraid of death, because the grave has no power over the children of God.

    “Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?" Christ Jesus has victory over death and the grave. Christ Jesus has the final word concerning death. And that word will be to the children of God on the last day, at His coming, which will be “Arise unto everlasting life” Therefore, never fear death. This world cannot do anything to you that would be permanent if you belong to God and Christ Jesus.

    Some additional verses to study about immortality

    “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16
    "Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen." (1 Timothy 1:17)

    "To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:" (Romans 2:7)

    "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality." (1 Corinthians 15:53)

    "So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory." (1 Corinthians 15:54)

    Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?" (Job 4:17)

    "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof." (Romans 6:12)

    "But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you." (Romans 8:11)

    "For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh." (2 Corinthians 4:11)

    According to the Bible our "mortal flesh" will "be changed" when Jesus returns the second time. (See 1 Corinthians 15:52-55 above.)
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  • goodgirl777 2010/01/09 01:52:12
    goodgirl777
    I thought it was bible truth. How can there be so many answers to this question? Do you go to heaven after death or not? There can't be scripture supporting both concepts cause then they would cancel each other out. Makes no sense Christians. You can't have 101 answers to a simple question. Bible contridicting itself again. There is scripture supporting yes you go after you die if your good, and no you wait for judgement day. Contridicting stuff if you ask me. Which one is it, no one really knows. No don't ask the pastor cause he's not god, he's only a man. So no one really knows get over the religious nonsense it makes no sense.
  • K.S. goodgir... 2010/01/09 22:46:49
    K.S.
    +1
    It is obvious that you are probably not a bible student, and if you are, you not a very serious one. The bible (God's word), does not contradict itself, people do. Allow me to give you an example. Say that you are standing at an intersection along with 20 other people when a car crash happens. I guarantee you that when the police interview eyewitnesses, they will probably get 20 different versions of what took place. Do these different interpretations of what they saw, with there own eyes, contradict what actually happened in the crash. No, of course not. Likewise, merely because some people take a superficial approach to studying the word of God, causing them to come to a confused interpretation, does not in any way make God's word contradictory. Now, concerning the question at hand, "If we go to heaven immediately at death, why did Jesus say He was coming back to get us to take us to where He is?". There is not one single scripture in the entire bible that gives evidence, saying plainly, that we go anywhere other than the grave when we die. On the other hand there is a multitude of scriptures that say we do not go anywhere, except the grave when we die. I have studied this very subject for many years, and the bible is very plain on this matter. We die, we go to the grave, an...
    It is obvious that you are probably not a bible student, and if you are, you not a very serious one. The bible (God's word), does not contradict itself, people do. Allow me to give you an example. Say that you are standing at an intersection along with 20 other people when a car crash happens. I guarantee you that when the police interview eyewitnesses, they will probably get 20 different versions of what took place. Do these different interpretations of what they saw, with there own eyes, contradict what actually happened in the crash. No, of course not. Likewise, merely because some people take a superficial approach to studying the word of God, causing them to come to a confused interpretation, does not in any way make God's word contradictory. Now, concerning the question at hand, "If we go to heaven immediately at death, why did Jesus say He was coming back to get us to take us to where He is?". There is not one single scripture in the entire bible that gives evidence, saying plainly, that we go anywhere other than the grave when we die. On the other hand there is a multitude of scriptures that say we do not go anywhere, except the grave when we die. I have studied this very subject for many years, and the bible is very plain on this matter. We die, we go to the grave, and we await either the resurrection unto eternal life or the resurrection unto eternal damnation. The resurrection of the righteous unto eternal life will happen at Christ Jesus' return, not before, and the resurrection of the wicked unto eternal damnation ("the second death" as it is refered to in the book of Revelation) will happen 1000 years later. I will post proof of my statements as a reply to the main question on this page under the username "K.S."
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  • goodgir... K.S. 2010/01/12 16:19:57
    goodgirl777
    Yea just keep telling yourself that, i don't believe it, my father is a holy man in the church i know alot about it. you know what i had a near death experience and rumor has it hard core christians don't cross over to the light of god, they stay waiting for christ by their graves. While christians that have opened their mind cross over. When people cross over they are much happier. People do report seeing jesus after they cross over but they also see buddha and all the other religion people up there. Or you can see all of them but its only for a short time for guidance. Their is a christian heaven, but also a mormon, a jewish, a muslim, etc heaven one for every belief, but your stuck there until you open up your mind to much much more. In the christian heaven you just worship all the time, some spirts claim its boring no offense. I hear other heavens are more exciting but above the man made heaven our conciousness creates is nirvana there are levels above your thought of heaven. Just saying i was given the gift to experience the white light. The light is awesome, it refreshes you, loves you. I was born again in a church, it was ok. But this out of body experience with the light is awesome beyond words,way better then any boring church. Church is just boring and many have aske...
    Yea just keep telling yourself that, i don't believe it, my father is a holy man in the church i know alot about it. you know what i had a near death experience and rumor has it hard core christians don't cross over to the light of god, they stay waiting for christ by their graves. While christians that have opened their mind cross over. When people cross over they are much happier. People do report seeing jesus after they cross over but they also see buddha and all the other religion people up there. Or you can see all of them but its only for a short time for guidance. Their is a christian heaven, but also a mormon, a jewish, a muslim, etc heaven one for every belief, but your stuck there until you open up your mind to much much more. In the christian heaven you just worship all the time, some spirts claim its boring no offense. I hear other heavens are more exciting but above the man made heaven our conciousness creates is nirvana there are levels above your thought of heaven. Just saying i was given the gift to experience the white light. The light is awesome, it refreshes you, loves you. I was born again in a church, it was ok. But this out of body experience with the light is awesome beyond words,way better then any boring church. Church is just boring and many have asked the light about religion and the light doesn't really care. IT's about how you live, laugh and love. If your positive and good your off to the light to experience all your mind can think of. You can ask questions see loved ones who have died. The fabulous thing is science is starting to confirm that the mind can do this. Well I'm just relaying the message, all spirts are not ready to accept this. Not even some dead ones. Some of those dead spirts hang out for 100's even 1000's of years in limbo coming back to earth. You can come back even if you crossever. this message is for those looking for spirituality in its true form. The real truth but some souls/spirits are not ready they are filled of anger or hate or negative things and some don't see the light. Being negative is the worst thing you could do for your spirit cause you'll always wind up in a negative plane of existence and its up to you to get over your fears and guilt to start to ascend up to postive planes. These words are for the spirts/humans who are looking for sainthood not for the religion obsessed. Meditation will get you to the light, you don't have to die to experience the light and love of god
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  • K.S. goodgir... 2010/09/21 20:33:52
    K.S.
    People don't cross over to anywhere. If they wake up, then they didn't die. If they stop breathing and then started breathing again, regardless of how, then they didn't die. Know one has ever died and come back to tell anyone about their experience. If you knew the word of God, then you would know that it says that when a man dies he caannot go back to his house. If the Bible says that there is no thought, nor work, nor device in death, then you can believe what it says. You say that your "father is a holy man in the church and you know a lot about that". What does that mean exactly. What does you father have to do with what I said. The Bible actually says what I have shared here or I would have never said it. You can read it for yourself. Do you even study the Bible or just criticize those who do. The knowledge of your father won't save you. It is the knowledge of our Father that will save you. Study, while there is still light.
  • Wondering K.S. 2011/02/25 12:32:41
    Wondering
    +1
    Please provide Bible verses to support your argument or it isn't much of one. How can we learn from your vast knowledge if you don't provide verses?
  • Wondering K.S. 2011/02/25 12:28:35
    Wondering
    +1
    Ok. I have a lot of experience with various religions as a result of growing up in fosterhomes. I attended a Christian boarding school and your comments to goodgirl777 about not being a serious bible student was a bit judgement. (Unfortunately a lot of well meaning Christians are, but you are not being very inspirational.) The Bible is not God. It's authors were inspired by God, but that does not mean we have to hang on its every word. If you had a predjudice and you were writing a book in God's name, that belief could cloud your reasoning as it did the author's of the bible.Let's not forget that the King James determined what books were allowed into the Bible and that at the beginning, the people were not allowed to read it themselves. If it were so easily understood, Seventhday Adventists would not believe in soul sleep and other Christians believe you go to heaven directly after you die. (By the way, there are serious bible studiers in both of these religious groups that thousands of people worship.) John 20: 28-30 says Jesus was offered vinegar water and when he took it, he said "it is finished and gave up the ghost". However in Luke 24: 44-46 it says that at the 6th to 9th hour it was dark. Jesus cried "Father in my hands I commend my spirit" and then he gave up the ghost...
    Ok. I have a lot of experience with various religions as a result of growing up in fosterhomes. I attended a Christian boarding school and your comments to goodgirl777 about not being a serious bible student was a bit judgement. (Unfortunately a lot of well meaning Christians are, but you are not being very inspirational.) The Bible is not God. It's authors were inspired by God, but that does not mean we have to hang on its every word. If you had a predjudice and you were writing a book in God's name, that belief could cloud your reasoning as it did the author's of the bible.Let's not forget that the King James determined what books were allowed into the Bible and that at the beginning, the people were not allowed to read it themselves. If it were so easily understood, Seventhday Adventists would not believe in soul sleep and other Christians believe you go to heaven directly after you die. (By the way, there are serious bible studiers in both of these religious groups that thousands of people worship.) John 20: 28-30 says Jesus was offered vinegar water and when he took it, he said "it is finished and gave up the ghost". However in Luke 24: 44-46 it says that at the 6th to 9th hour it was dark. Jesus cried "Father in my hands I commend my spirit" and then he gave up the ghost. It was only in Mark 15: 34-36 that anyone recorded the events accurate: he stated that jesus received the vinagar and then screamed something loudly and gave up the ghost. There is a disconnect in Bible writings and sometimes what is left out is almost as important as what is put into it. These variations can be explained by "eyewitness account variation" or Luke and John were just inaccurate as are many men of the bible. Remember these men were not scolars who had been trained how to accurately record these events. They were fishermen and peasants. There is also interpretation variances. Luke 24:43 says Verily verlily I say unto you, Today you shall be in heaven. Some religios leaders think the comma is in the wrong place and it should have read Verily Verily I say unto you today, You call be in heaven. You can take it to mean you go straight to heaven or you can take it to mean at some time you will be in heaven. Jesus rose 3 days later, but the Bible does not say if he goes to heaven first or he sleeps. SDAs think that the thief on the cross did not go straight to heaven because Jesus was not resurrected for 3 days. When he is resurrected, he could have been in heaven. When he was raised from the dead he was raised into his earthly body. It is his earthly body that assends to heaven after meeting with the desciples. Do you see my point? In Phillipians 1:23, Paul says "For I am in a straight betwixt two; having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better". In this verse Paul eludes to the fact that he will die and go directly to be with Christ. Revolations 6:10 speaks of martyrs wanting to know when God will "avenge our blood on them that dwell on earth". I think each desciple had a different take on what happens to you when you die. I think it is one of the things God does n ot want us to know.
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  • K.S. goodgir... 2010/09/21 21:04:47
    K.S.
    The Bible (God's word) never contradicts itself. Often times Christians contradict each other, but His word is never contradictory. And why can't you believe that, you and your friends contradict each other all the time. So does any belief that you have (i.e. atheism, agnosticism, yoga, how to build a table, or whatever. God is God, and He is perfect. We are sinful humans, so why does it baffle you so much that there are different opinions within the same religious body. Let me ask you a question. Just as a example, what if I wrote the sentence, “I am going to the store to get a carton of milk.” That sentence could be interpreted 10 different ways if those who interpreted it chose to twist my words. They could argue about what store I went to, or what kind of carton it was, or what kind of milk it was, but none of that changes what I said. I still just said, “I am going to the store to get a carton of milk.” Likewise, just because a man interprets God’s words a certain way, doesn’t nullify what God said. The probable is God’s word. The problem is the interpretation of that word.
    Jesus said I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. There is only one Way, one Truth, and one Life, and that is through Jesus Christ, the Son of the ONLY living God. Jesus said, “No man can come to the ...
    The Bible (God's word) never contradicts itself. Often times Christians contradict each other, but His word is never contradictory. And why can't you believe that, you and your friends contradict each other all the time. So does any belief that you have (i.e. atheism, agnosticism, yoga, how to build a table, or whatever. God is God, and He is perfect. We are sinful humans, so why does it baffle you so much that there are different opinions within the same religious body. Let me ask you a question. Just as a example, what if I wrote the sentence, “I am going to the store to get a carton of milk.” That sentence could be interpreted 10 different ways if those who interpreted it chose to twist my words. They could argue about what store I went to, or what kind of carton it was, or what kind of milk it was, but none of that changes what I said. I still just said, “I am going to the store to get a carton of milk.” Likewise, just because a man interprets God’s words a certain way, doesn’t nullify what God said. The probable is God’s word. The problem is the interpretation of that word.
    Jesus said I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. There is only one Way, one Truth, and one Life, and that is through Jesus Christ, the Son of the ONLY living God. Jesus said, “No man can come to the Father, but by Me.” You can’t get there by Buddha, or Krishna, or Baal, or Lucifer, or Mithras, or any other false god, only through Jesus Christ. It is easy to criticize Christianity from the sidelines. Being a true Christian in this world is the most difficult thing that there is to do. Jesus warned those who would decide to follow Him, that the world would hate them, because they hated Him first. They hated Him enough to crucify Him. People in darkness don’t like the light, because it exposes their deeds. People in darkness don’t like Jesus, because He is that Light. I have found in talking with most of those who criticize Christianity, that (when they speak honestly) they have not even read that much of the Bible and sometimes haven read it at all. They are merely repeating the same unsubstantiated arguments that they have heard someone else present. I would suggest that you read the Bible for yourself and draw your own conclusions. I bet that you will be pleasantly surprised. Don’t let someone tell you what it says. Read for yourself what it says. The Bible is a full of history, love stories, great counsel, drama, action, science, math, geography, mystery, prophecy, and anything else that you can think of. It’s not just a great book, it’s the greatest book. Check it out for yourself and then make your decision on God and His true religion, not the worlds version of religion. In the book of James it says that true religion is this: Taking care of the orphan and the widow in their time of need and remaining unstained by the world. That’s true religion.
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  • Ranch Manager 2010/01/06 19:52:47
    Ranch Manager
    I believe we now go spiritually, when Christ returns and the resurrection takes place, the bodies come forth incorruptible and we will inhabit the Millennial Kingdom and or Heaven physically in these new bodies. This is just my take, I put my total faith in the Grace, I try to understand and study the whole, my life is not something real bad or real good, still I depend on the Grace of God not on my goodness, it's just not there. grace understand study life real real depend grace god goodness grace understand study life real real depend grace god goodness grace understand study life real real depend grace god goodness grace understand study life real real depend grace god goodness
  • Follow_My_Lead 2010/01/06 14:24:40
    Follow_My_Lead
    Some one told me that in the bible that we dont go to heaven when we die! But we are in a way sleeping until the ressurection.
  • rcastleberry 2010/01/06 14:17:43
    rcastleberry
    we dont go strait to heaven we have to go to purgatory first
  • Radlad 2010/01/06 10:59:15
    Radlad
    +1
    I'm not a bible thumper I don't know what your question is here. You refer to the three days after he died on the cross? When he rose back then it was to prove that death had no hold over him. Or do you mean his next coming. The first time he was the lamb. I believe the next time he'll return as the lion................
  • These have power to shut he... 2010/01/06 08:16:36
    These have power to shut heaven
    We dont ever go to heaven. Christ said Himself, "No MAN hath ascended to heaven, except the Son of man (Jesus) that descended from heaven." And Paul made this very clear in 2 Corinthians 5:1-4.

    "For we know that IF our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly DESIRING TO BE CLOTHED UPON WITH OUR HOUSE (New Jerusalem) WHICH IS FROM HEAVEN: IF SO BE THAT BEING CLOTHED WE SHALL NOT BE FOUND NAKED. For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: NOT FOR THAT WE SHOULD BE UNCLOTHED, BUT CLOTHED UPON, that mortality might be swallowed up of life."

    New Jerusalem is not a "paradise city coming out of the heavens." It's an immortal body that will clothe God's people. It will consume all that this corruption is, overtaking it, and making it immortal.
  • Wondering These h... 2011/02/25 12:37:12
    Wondering
    +1
    Please tell me what verse Christ said no man hath ascended to heaven. I need more information about this verse. Maybe it says this because a Man does not go to heave, his soul does.
  • jazie 2010/01/06 07:55:46
    jazie
    WHO TOLD WHO WE GO IMMEDIATELY TO HEAVEN?
    i really want to know that person.
  • Ron–Born from Above 2010/01/06 06:42:11
    Ron–Born from Above
    +1
    I believe the focus shouldn't be on asking when, what, and where but, what it takes to reach that great prize. Only through repentance and faith in Christ Jesus, can we even be on track to achieve such greatness.

    First and foremost, heaven constitutes an offer which all men are urged to accept:

    Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying. “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify these things for the churches, I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright morning star.” And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost (Revelation 22:14-17).

    Great Question jt!
    God Bless you!!!
  • mzemma 2010/01/06 06:37:10
    mzemma
    that's hear say.. certainly wouldn't hold up in court! Everything in the bible is hear say. Have you ever thought that it could all be just words, fiction, so as to control and manipulate the populations. A real jesus wouldn't leave out women. I believe men, wrote the bible to fit their greedy, sexist, controlling and manipulating needs. Think about it! A real god wouldn't discriminate. A real god would have created men and women equally.... and good Christian leaders either in government or in the church would make sure everyone was treated equally and got the same breaks.. all would be middle class. Wars are fought for greed and profits. Remember the Christian Crusade.. where people were murdered if they didn't go along with the Christian agenda.. yeah, really god like!!! It's all bull to control and manipulate the masses and keeping people poor is one way of doing it. You need to read "Shock Doctrine" by Naomi Klein.. you'd be amazed...
  • Jaxxi 2010/01/06 05:49:47
    Jaxxi
    Because people didn't go to heaven before Jesus died on the cross.....that's why God allowed them to live to be 800 years old.
  • FATEEN Jaxxi 2010/01/06 07:00:30
    FATEEN
    Where did you get that guess from?
  • Jaxxi FATEEN 2010/01/11 19:18:05
    Jaxxi
    The Holy Bible my friend....
  • FATEEN Jaxxi 2010/01/11 20:51:17
    FATEEN
    Level with me here, I'm not trying to debate on a challenge level with you. I really want to know. Are you saying that Adam, Noah, Jacob and the son's of Jacob through which the twelve tribes came from his seed and all of the believing men and women who where with them are going to the Hellfire?
  • Jaxxi FATEEN 2010/01/14 00:10:09
    Jaxxi
    +1
    No sir....they did not go to hell. They died- and will be risen at the second coming. My source is in the gospels under John 6:35 through John 6:52.....the strongest statement on this topic is John 6:48,49 and 50 Check it out, and let me know if you interepret it the same, or differently...I could be mistaken, we're all here to try and figure this thing out together, right? I am so open minded...I really consider everything and love to have discussions to gain a better perspective....but I don't own a soapbox :)
  • Keith 2010/01/06 02:38:36
    Keith
    Paul said,
    "Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:...
    We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."

    Do you not know that Jesus will meet the departed spirit and usher him into paradise? He said "..if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."

    The Master's coming for me may be "at the rapture" or at the end of my term upon the Earth. Either way, I eagerly await his coming, whatever state I may be in.
  • 아만다 ♥ AMANDA 2010/01/06 01:57:38
    아만다 ♥ AMANDA
    +1
    If you are a Christian... you should study the Bible a little bit better.

    Then you would realize that the spirit going to heaven is a different subject compared to why Jesus is coming back.

    Unless I am the one who is reading the Bible wrong.
  • FATEEN 아만다 ♥ A... 2010/01/06 07:07:11
    FATEEN
    Hey Amanda, I think you and I crossed paths before. Your on to something here when you said: why Jesus is coming back.
    Unless I am the one who is reading the Bible wrong.

    I'm going to put it out there, who has the ablity to kill the Anti-Christ? As Muslims we believe that Christ Jesus did not die on the cross, we believe he was raised up alive and will return to lead prayer establish God's true way of life on earth, He will kill the anti-Christ and then die a natural death, every soul has to die.
  • 아만다 ♥ A... FATEEN 2010/01/06 07:11:23
    아만다 ♥ AMANDA
    +1
    That sounds interesting.

    Thank you for sharing.

    It is always cool to read someone elses insight.
  • FATEEN 아만다 ♥ A... 2010/01/06 07:30:51
    FATEEN
    People don't understand they all on this internet googling and yahooing the wrong thing on here instead of learning something.

    I wouldn't call it insight its just information that Muslims have that has been witheld from common Christians. My enemy is the person who conceals knowledge from others thinking they are unworthy of it.
  • 아만다 ♥ A... FATEEN 2010/01/06 17:37:21
    아만다 ♥ AMANDA
    +1
    I know what you mean.
    Sad thing is, when you share your knowledge (like your religious knowledge) with others they tend to get all defensive rather than just saying "hmmm, okay, I never knew that."
    I wish peopl would just read stuff, without taking it the wrong way. You know? They are always expecting it to be something hateful.
  • FATEEN 아만다 ♥ A... 2010/01/06 18:45:39
    FATEEN
    When it comes to religion its like this many people where born into their faith without studying and realizing why they believe as they do. When they study religious scriptures to find fault you already took sides from the begining.

    I tell people I was raised Christian and began studying the Bible when I was older finding something entirely different than was actually practiced in church. I went to a Catholic school and I have family who are Catholic.
    Yet they then say I was never a Christian.
  • 아만다 ♥ A... FATEEN 2010/01/07 01:57:36
    아만다 ♥ AMANDA
    Yes. I know.
    Which is why I am glad that after I got a little bit older, Mom got us some Bible studies through the mail.
    I am also glad that I like to look into what other religions are about. They interest me.
    What I know, bothers other fellow Christians, is that, I myself, often, question my own religion, rather than going with it as most of them do.

    I know what you mean. There are things I read and see in the Bible that I interpret a totally different way, than some of my friends.

    I hate it though, because I feel like an outcast. Then I realized, the best thing I can do is combine my own personal morals with values in the Bible and hope for the best because I admit, sometimes I am confused.
  • FATEEN 아만다 ♥ A... 2010/01/07 06:34:47
    FATEEN
    As a Muslim I question stuff all the time. If something aint right it just aint right.

    Don't be confused. Just close your eyes and ask God to show you His truth, make you a true follower of Christ Jesus
  • 아만다 ♥ A... FATEEN 2010/01/07 19:50:01
    아만다 ♥ AMANDA
    Thank you.
    You seem pretty awesome.
    I am glad that though we have somewhat of a religious difference, we can still relate. THANK YOU. =D
  • Observer 2010/01/06 01:33:26 (edited)
    Observer
    Coming back to sort through nose pickers who haven't made it to heaven. He's coming to separate the wheat from the chaff.

    sought nose pickers heaven separate wheat chaff


    sought nose pickers heaven separate wheat chaff
  • ♥Isis♥ 2010/01/06 01:30:46
    ♥Isis♥
    +1
    Some people believe that your spirit leaves the body when you die...some people believe that you are just dead until Jesus comes back...

    Probably referring to the people left alive before the "Rapture"
  • K.S. ♥Isis♥ 2010/01/10 00:32:52 (edited)
    K.S.
    +2
    What are all of the references to "Isis" and "Osiris" about. Are you a pagan or a practicing witch? What rapture are you refering to? There is no mention of a rapture in the bible. If you are refering to the "secret rapture", then that is a belief that was instituted by the Roman Jesuits to decieve many, which it has. The bible calls it "Christ coming" and it's not a secret. The bible says that every eye shall see Him. There will be a loud trumpet sounding His arrival and lightning from the East to the West. The elements will melt with feverent heat and the sky will depart with a loud noise, being rolled up like a scroll. That doesn't sound very secret to me. There will be no one left behind but the wicked dead. There is no second chance as some (especially Satan) would have us believe. When Jesus comes, that's it, no more mercy and no more grace. In fact if you die tonight, without having accept Christ Jesus as your Savior, then Jesus will have come for you tonight. FYI, God hates anything pagan, and I do mean anything.

    God bless,
    K.S.

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