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ProudProgressive 2012/05/05 18:03:22
This week America celebrated the one year anniversary of the death of the world's leading terrorist threat, Osama bin Laden. As everyone is aware, he was taken out by a brave team of SEALS working under a plan developed by the President in consultation with the nation's leading military experts. Since that day, the President has consistently and unfailingly given credit to the brave SEALS who carried out the mission, to the many support personnel who made it happen, to the military leaders who helped design the plan, to everyone that was involved. He was the man in charge, and he was the man who had to make the decision to go in, even when many on his own staff warned against it. He put considerations of his own Presidency aside in the interests of the nation, knowing that if the mission had failed it would pretty much have ended his chances of re-election.

But all we have heard from the Right Wing is that "Obama is an egotist" and "Obama is taking credit for other people's work" and "All Obama did was say 'yes'". There are even those who are trying to shift credit to George Bush, despite ample evidence that he spent seven years doing everything he could to prevent bin Laden's capture, from refusing to finish the job at Tora Bora to disbanding a CIA special ops unit in place since the Clinton Administration with the sole purpose of tracking down bin Laden. Some have even tried to claim that Bush's illegal and unconstitutional waterboarding program helped to bring bin Laden to justice, even though everyone up to Donald Rumsfeld himself have confirmed that no actionable intelligence on bin Laden was ever gathered through torture.

So the President had nothing to do with the successful mission to get bin Laden, according to the Right Wing. He was just a figurehead and deserves no credit.

What if the mission had failed?
What if, despite the best intentions and the most thorough planning possible, the Seals had failed to carry out the mission? What are the chances that this same Right wing that has spent a year claiming that President Obama had nothing to do with the mission would be saying "don't blame Obama for the mission's failure, he had nothing to do with it."

I think we all know the answer to that one. Not only would President Obama and President Obama alone have been blamed for the failure, but he would also be accused of murdering those brave Seals and of compromising national security. (There's already a ridiculous conspiracy theory floating around that the President secretly had the Seals killed so they couldn't talk LOL)

The President deserves all the credit he has gotten for his part in the successful mission. He has never wavered in his admiration for the Seals who carried it out and has always given credit to everyone involved.

But some are too blind to ever realize this.

Thank you, Mister President, for getting the job done. And thank you to the Seals and the others who you worked with to get it done.
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  • Wolf97 2012/05/11 23:53:39
    Wolf97
    If the SEALS had failed... it would have been ALL Obama's fault! FOX would have gone mad. Republicans would make it a prime example of how much he sucks. But because it succeded... meh, he didn't do anything. He gets no credit.
  • cowboy 2012/05/08 16:21:56
    cowboy
    Amen to that.
  • airiq 2012/05/07 13:21:04
  • 10Ring 2012/05/07 00:16:24
    10Ring
    if the seals had failed there be a leak i suspect!!!lol

    He is making a big mistake moving our "assets" out of the region........ya know we shall be there again soon for Iran or some other idiot country, Also its strategic for N korea......as we shall have carrier groups in the MED and Pacific..


    we shall soon see if America can fight a 2 front war..
  • Mark Twain 10Ring 2012/05/08 22:26:44
    Mark Twain
    The memo of record came to light yesterday,,,,Penetta had written a CYA memo to the Admiral in charge of the Seals. Basically it said that any change in the status of risk during the operation should be reported to the President for reassement of risk. So if the seals had been captured or killed or failed,,,the president could blame the seals or Admiral for conducting a failed operation with out notifying him. In the fallout the president would say they failed to report back not following orders. Yeah brothers we got a president we can really be proud of. He aint black or white,,,,,just Yellow and Red
  • Phil 2012/05/06 23:56:35 (edited)
    Phil
    +2
    To hear you tell the story, you think as much of the president as you should of Jesus, Mohammad, the Trees, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, or whatever your religious preference is. Very high praise indeed for someone who sits behind a desk in the US with 30 secret service agents guarding him all day (unless they are off soliciting sex from hookers when traveling), compared to the Seals that were in the field, faced the return fire, and did all the REAL work when THEY went into the compound. All they really did was to get the OK from the president, which was a common courtesy. They had been working for years on a plan to take Osama out, even from 2001 when Bush was still President. If president Obama were not available to consult, the seals had already been told that Osama was a target and he was to be taken 'dead or alive'. The seals had clearance before they even arrived on the scene. Do you really believe that a Community Organizer who was a Senator for 2 years, never served in the Military, and then was president for 3 1/2 years working on taxes, a rip off health care plan, and whatever else was on his agenda to get passed as soon as he could, would be smart enough to figure out ANYTHING technical about a specific Seal Team mission as involved as this one was? His most impor...







    To hear you tell the story, you think as much of the president as you should of Jesus, Mohammad, the Trees, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, or whatever your religious preference is. Very high praise indeed for someone who sits behind a desk in the US with 30 secret service agents guarding him all day (unless they are off soliciting sex from hookers when traveling), compared to the Seals that were in the field, faced the return fire, and did all the REAL work when THEY went into the compound. All they really did was to get the OK from the president, which was a common courtesy. They had been working for years on a plan to take Osama out, even from 2001 when Bush was still President. If president Obama were not available to consult, the seals had already been told that Osama was a target and he was to be taken 'dead or alive'. The seals had clearance before they even arrived on the scene. Do you really believe that a Community Organizer who was a Senator for 2 years, never served in the Military, and then was president for 3 1/2 years working on taxes, a rip off health care plan, and whatever else was on his agenda to get passed as soon as he could, would be smart enough to figure out ANYTHING technical about a specific Seal Team mission as involved as this one was? His most important role was to say 'Yes', or 'No', and that is the extent of his credit.



    Call me blind, since you say that I cannot see, that's fine. At least I don't give credit where it ISN'T due, and I'm not under any illusions of grandeur for a man who merely had to gave a 'yes or no' answer. I think it's GREAT that the president did listen to the Seals and the Military planners (who knew what they were doing when he had no idea of what to do) when they told him they were ready to go, I think is was great that he told them to go ahead with the mission. But the GREAT SEAL TEAM who will be known ONLY as anonymous faces, will receive NO public credit, NO public ceremony, NO public awards, will NEVER brag on themselves, will NEVER get up and say, "I killed Osama", ARE THE ONES THAT I WILL THANK A MILLION TIMES MORE than the repeatedly gloating, bloating, man who merely said, "GO".



    That being said, I am also certain that you would have said the same about Bush if this happened while he was still in office. Or should I say, you would have said much worse about him. I would say the same about Bush, myself. If he took credit like Obama does, bragged on himself like Obama does, and made himself into a hero when the Seals are the real heroes, I would say that Bush was a hypocrite, too. And I don't know about all the other Conservatives, unlike MOST of the Liberals, I cannot speak for all of them, and I can't group them all together into a bunch of 'ONE IDEAL' people. But personally, I would not blame Obama for a 'botched job' in pursuit of Bin Laden, he wasn't there.
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  • Nanjing03 Phil 2012/05/08 01:43:28 (edited)
    Nanjing03
    Well, remember what Union cavalry general Bufort said just before his fight with the Confederate Army on the first day of the Battle of Gettysburg. His quote was,

    "And afterwards men in tall hats and gold watch fobs will thump their chest and say what a brave charge it was."

    He was referring to the politicians in Washington. Plenty of "chest thumping" from this president and his worthless "deferment x 5" vice president. Some things never change -- they just get worse.
  • Mark Twain 2012/05/06 22:31:35
    Mark Twain
    +1
    In your question the answer lies. Obama could never have failed only the Seals could have failed, not Obama. You deserve Obama and everything he will bring you. Forward to your fate comrades, Bring a long spoon.
  • Ole SGT Joe 2012/05/06 16:48:05
    Ole SGT Joe
    +2
    From a military point of view - It was a mission. You do not brag who was eliminated. You did your job and you return, get your gear squared away, and wait for the next assignment. From a Politician's point of view: All bragging rights, celebrations, cocktail parties, a lot of tough talk from those that never did or will never do. Credit only to the President for giving an order to eliminate a proven threat to our Country, nothing more or less.
  • ehrhornp 2012/05/06 16:34:33
    ehrhornp
    I think Obama learned from history. Carter's mission failed because they didn't have enough back up. Obama made sure that they had the back up which turned out to be needed. So Mitt may have been right that he would have ordered the attack but it is doubtful that he would have provided the back up. Under Mitt it probably would have failed.

    That said, I think they should have captured him alive instead of just killing him.
  • fudge35 2012/05/06 15:42:10
    fudge35
    +3
    I think we all know what would have happened if it failed. The right wing huge propaganda machine would start rolling immediately, with talking points going out to all parts of the machine, and all right wing politicians, and that would have been, Obama is inept, he is not worthy of being Commander and Chief. They would be relentless, and viscous. They complain Obama shouldn't use the Bin Laden killing for political purposes, but if it failed all you would hear from Republicans is how he failed, in political ads. They are the usual hypocrites!!!!!!!
  • Cliff 2012/05/06 15:19:02
    Cliff
    +4
    True heroes don't brag.
  • ETpro 2012/05/06 15:04:48
    ETpro
    +4
    The same bulletheads who claim Obama had nothing to do with taking bin Laden out, that he risked NOTHING; also deride Jimmy Carter because the rescue attempt he tried for the American Hostages in Iran did fail. The helicopters ran into a desert sand storm and crashed. Can you imagine how the bulletheads would be running around cursing Obama if the mission had failed in a similar fashion?

    Hate makes people blind.
  • Phil ETpro 2012/05/07 00:17:22
    Phil
    +1
    Hate of the PERS0N, or hate of that person's POLICIES make them blind? There IS a major difference. Personally, I can hate what a person does without hating the person who does it, others cannot distinguish the difference.
  • SEAL76 2012/05/06 14:19:21
    SEAL76
    +3
    Obama would have shifted the blame to Pannetta, Olsen< McCraven or the CIA. He never makes a mistake.
  • Risk SEAL76 2012/05/06 15:26:39
    Risk
    +3
    ... or blamed George Bush !
  • SneakyPete 2012/05/06 14:03:22
    SneakyPete
    +7
    I am just glad that the mission did not fail. Bless the Seals and all who participated in the operation.
  • ProudPr... SneakyPete 2012/05/06 14:05:06
    ProudProgressive
    +2
    I agree completely.
  • Phil ProudPr... 2012/05/07 00:28:12
    Phil
    +1
    Amen, I think that we all (Liberal, Conservative, and Independent) are glad that Osama is gone. We should put all these questions behind us. Any president, Obama or Romney, Carter or Reagan, Kennedy or Ford, would have given the go ahead, or he would have had some serious answers to give to the voters who are patriots and love America.
  • RobertChristopherLaity 2012/05/06 13:51:06
    RobertChristopherLaity
    NO Proof that Osama is dead has been proffered by Obama or Bush.
  • Tedster RobertC... 2012/05/07 20:36:44
    Tedster
    There's only one problem w/ your position........Logic. If OBL's still alive why has al Qaida not said so? Or the Repubs? Rather they admitted he's dead. Not to worry, Hitler and Elvis and Andrew Breitbart are still alive too.
  • Richard Hungwell AKA Relent... 2012/05/06 13:25:46
    Richard Hungwell AKA Relentless
    +1
    If the seals had failed we never would have known about the mission. end of story.
  • Erok Richard... 2012/05/09 06:34:34
    Erok
    ABSOLUTELY TRUE!!!!
  • Keeping It Real 2012/05/06 12:59:32
    Keeping It Real
    +3
    Not only would the Republiconteabaggers be crying fire about it from day to night their friends which is most of the media will help them bash the president.
  • Phil Keeping... 2012/05/07 01:00:13
    Phil
    +1
    Keeping it WHAT? Are you serious, MOST of the media???? 90% of the media is Liberally biased. Yes, liberally biased. PLEASE give me the call signs of the media that bash the president. FOX is not partial to Mr Obama, but I have never heard them 'bash' him, they just explain what he has done, it's a matter of public record. If they ARE lying, why aren't they sued for liable and/or slander? What are the other networks comprising 'most of the media' of which you speak? I haven't heard the major networks bashing the president, but I sure have heard a lot of bashing on Romney, and he isn't even president, YET.
  • Keeping... Phil 2012/05/07 01:49:43
  • Nanjing03 Phil 2012/05/08 01:20:52
    Nanjing03
    Roger that Phil. I got a laugh out of that "90% of the media" statement. The mainstream media has been practically giving this president free air time for his campaign even before the race started. A “few” news outlets that appeared hopeless have since recovered from their self inflicted Kool-Aid high. CBS News nailed the administration on the Fast and Furious conspiracy and they don't seem intent to let go -- good for them. Arianna Huffington just slammed Obama on his recent smug and pious bragging over what the Navy SEALS and thousands of other silent operatives and warriors accomplished last year and over the course of a decade -- good for her and the Huffington Post (I never thought I’d say that). Hey, there might be some hope for the mainstream media yet. Maybe its the American people in forums such as these, and those affiliated with the news agencies that will keep them halfway honest.
  • Nanjing03 2012/05/06 12:55:59
    Nanjing03
    Oh well ... right about now on Sunday morning, 6 May 2012 ... Obama is choking down his coffee and lighting his third smoke for the morning wishing he'd been as humble as every American warrior in the Global War on Terror (which he denied existed) -- from truck driver and mechanic, to ordnance specialist, to infantryman, to special ops throughout these last 10-11 years or so ...

    I guess he's planning on kicking his campaign advisor's butt too ... after he kicks his own butt for being so smug and so stupid ...

    Happy November is right around the corner.
  • Live Free Or Die 2012/05/06 12:48:56
    Live Free Or Die
    +4
    I agree because the Right Wing was putting down President Obama and discrediting him on the capture of bin Laden before he ever put up any ad about it. While I may not like it particularly, I can't say I blame him. Why do they get to attack relentlessly, but if you counter attack you are a horrible person? They have attacked him on his foreign policy all along, even when things have gone right. Why would this be any different? They would be calling him a failure, anti-American, a murderer and want his head on a spike had the mission failed. You bet.
  • Idiot r... Live Fr... 2012/05/06 13:55:59
    Idiot repubs
    +3
    "Why do they get to attack relentlessly, but if you counter attack you are a horrible person?"

    Because the GOP is a bunch of wusses that dish it out but cant take it.

    boehner crying

    Ryan crying
  • Live Fr... Idiot r... 2012/05/06 22:03:19
    Live Free Or Die
    +1
    LOL! I remember very well how they slammed Obama and gave Bush all the credit for killing Osama bin Laden, so I have to say I completely agree. here's a couple for you too.


    party of greed  hate  lies gop hypocrisy lie
  • Phil Live Fr... 2012/05/07 01:13:34
    Phil
    Bush deserves no more credit than Obama does. The Seal Team is to be credited, they killed Osama, not Bush, not Obama.
  • Live Fr... Phil 2012/05/07 01:32:42
    Live Free Or Die
    +2
    I disagree with you about Bush.

    I do give the SEALS credit and President Obama.
  • Phil Idiot r... 2012/05/07 01:12:22
    Phil
    +1
    Compromise to MOST Liberals is defined as, 'Do it our way while you get on your knees to kiss our a**es, that'll be the only thing considered as a compromise.' And, what do you call stacking Republican proposed bill after bill on Hairy Greed's desk and marking them "D.O.A." never to be considered? That's REAL compromise, Left? Compromise is a two way street, unless you are a Liberal, of course.
  • Wahvlvke 2012/05/06 12:32:10
    Wahvlvke
    +2
    Get real PP. If it had failed obie would have never let it be known that the mission ever existed. He was at least smart enough to stay out of it, unlike carter.
  • lstl5 2012/05/06 12:16:07
    lstl5
    +6
    Obama would be toast, just like Carter was. Republicans dont want to give Obama the credit but if the mission would have failed, he would have had to take the total blame for it.
  • Dave 007 2012/05/06 11:35:30
    Dave 007
    +1
    What did obama do? Was he over there with a machine gun hunting his brother? How much more can obama milk this?
  • ProudPr... Dave 007 2012/05/06 12:14:09
    ProudProgressive
    +7
    He's not "milking" anything. It's the conservatives that are working overtime to try to pretend that (a) President Obama had nothing to do with getting bin Laden and (b) that George Bush had anything to do with it.
  • Link ProudPr... 2012/05/06 13:55:46 (edited)
    Link
    +6
    If the Repubs would keep their mouth shut about it, he'd most likely pretty much have taken his due credit and moved on... But! The Repubs and Obama-bashers keep the controversy going in their usual fashion... But, what they're actually accomplishing is publicity... that could well work in Obama's favour...

    Yep, it's all a smear campaign...
  • Phil Link 2012/05/07 01:19:31
    Phil
    +1
    Well, the election is coming up, and you may well be correct. But then, when someone continues to 'blow his horn', the notes often get more and more sour as time goes on. I say, let him blow himself right out of the White House.
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