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If Romney is elected in November will he be sworn in using the bible or Book of Morman?

♥dreamer-leigh♥ 2012/07/06 00:57:27
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To hold the higest office in this country, I think he should use the King James Bible!
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  • cc 2012/07/10 03:50:56
    no (explain)
    cc
    No, you'll be YELLED at for not checking for SPELLING ERRORS!
    have a nice day.
  • Andrew 2012/07/09 21:45:12
    yes (explain)
    Andrew
    Whatever.
  • Michael McFascist 2012/07/07 05:09:48
    yes (explain)
    Michael McFascist
    I meant to say no. Because I believe that his animatronic Walt Disney double will kill him and we will all mistake it for the real Romney...we may even think that this new and improved Romney actually has a heart and seems to be able to simulate human emotions much more efficiently.
  • Missing Links 2012/07/07 03:34:32
    no (explain)
    Missing Links
    Only if he is elected King of Great Britain and speaks a 400 year old language.
  • DuncanONeil 2012/07/07 00:55:26
    no (explain)
    DuncanONeil
    Yes or no doesn't work well for this question.

    But does it really matter which it is.
  • Old Poet 2012/07/06 22:40:26
    yes (explain)
    Old Poet
    It's not a yes or no question. However, the Bible, the same.
  • No nonsense NanC...don't BS... 2012/07/06 22:35:48
    yes (explain)
    No nonsense NanC...don't BS me!
    I would assume he would use The Book of Morman, just like the Muslims in the congress use the Quran.
  • Dave Sawyer ♥ Child of God ♥ 2012/07/06 22:30:34 (edited)
    yes (explain)
    Dave Sawyer ♥ Child of God ♥
    +2
    Oddly, enough, the King James Translation is exactly the Bible used in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormons). I suppose he could use a Quadruple Combination (one book that contains the King James Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine & Covenants, the Pearl of Great Price, not to mention a Bible Dictionary, Topical Guide, Atlas, Photos, and much more).

    covenants pearl price mention bible dictionary topical guide atlas photos
  • Herb 2012/07/06 22:28:28 (edited)
    yes (explain)
    Herb
    +3
    bible they do use the bible to. i'm voting for mitt.
  • Jackie G - Poker Playing Pa... 2012/07/06 22:26:18
    yes (explain)
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +5
    I don't care if he uses a cook book - I want him to win
  • No nons... Jackie ... 2012/07/06 22:36:42
    No nonsense NanC...don't BS me!
    +2
    A woman who says it like it is!
  • yes (explain)
    ⚜Ellen⚜ ☼True American Patriot ☼
    I don't know. I would think he'd be sworn in with the Holy Bible.

    But let me get my crystal ball out and I'll let you know for sure, M....

    The logic in this question is the same as that of someone that would get a job selling cars in the prime of the automotive crisis just a short while back. Sheer brilliance.

    Crystal ball

    In this case it's not that big of a deal. At least it hopefully won't be Barry Hussein, and at least it's not the Koran.

    http://www.infobarrel.com/med...
  • Walt 2012/07/06 07:16:18
    yes (explain)
    Walt
    +4
    Mormons believe in the Bible. Of course they also believe in the Book of Mormon.
  • FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX 2012/07/06 06:12:18 (edited)
    no (explain)
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    He would have to use the Book of Mormon. Mormons re-translated the Bible to fit their needs. They don't follow the King James or any other Christian version. For him to stick his hand on a Bible would mean as much as sticking his hand on a phone book.

    Mormons use what they call the JST (Joseph Smith Translation) "Inspired Version IV" which is the King James Bible with SIGNIFICANT changes and revisions such as the "Book of Moses" and an almost entirely re-written Gospel of Matthew.

    LDS Publishes what THEY call the King James Bible - in THEIR version. It is not the Authorized Version read or recognized by any other Christian Denomination.
  • Dave Sa... FAWKES'... 2012/07/06 22:32:49
    Dave Sawyer ♥ Child of God ♥
    +2
    Recheck your "facts".
  • Quietma... Dave Sa... 2012/07/06 22:58:32
    Quietman   ~PWCM~JLA
    Facts, facts, fawkes don't need no stinking facts!!
  • Dave Sa... Quietma... 2012/07/06 23:00:29
    Dave Sawyer ♥ Child of God ♥
    +1
    Since I am a "Mormon" he will need them with me.
  • Quietma... Dave Sa... 2012/07/06 23:02:43 (edited)
    Quietman   ~PWCM~JLA
    He wouldn't know a fact if it was biting him on his butt!
  • Dave Sa... Quietma... 2012/07/06 23:03:51
    Dave Sawyer ♥ Child of God ♥
    +1
    They will, eventually, you know.
  • FAWKES'... Dave Sa... 2012/07/06 23:23:36 (edited)
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    Then you'll know all about the JST "Inspired Version IV" which is the King James Bible with SIGNIFICANT changes and revisions.

    LDS Publishes what THEY call the King James Bible - in THEIR version. It is not the Authorized Version read or recognized by any other Christian Denomination.

    Explain to these nice people a couple things like the "Book of Moses" and Smith's goggle-hat version of the Gospel of Matthew. I'll just wait here.
  • Dave Sa... FAWKES'... 2012/07/07 01:24:22
    Dave Sawyer ♥ Child of God ♥
    I know about the JST, and in our King James Bibles we have footnotes relating to differences between the King James and the JST. The text of the King James is the same as other churches have.

    The Book of Moses is not in the Bible, but in the Pearl of Great Price. We have other scriptures besides the Bible, but the Bible is 70% of our Standard Works. Except for the Song of Solomon, we accept all of the Bible to be inspired of God. (anyone out there want to defend the Song of Solomon as the word of God?)

    The JST-Matthew scripture is not a whole gospel. but an account of Jesus telling His disciples about the signs of the destruction of Jerusalem, the end of the world as we know it, and His second coming.

    As to the "goggle-hat" theory, that's meant as an insult.
  • FAWKES'... Dave Sa... 2012/07/07 01:27:42
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    Thanks for proving my point valid. The Mormon "Bible" is not the same as the Christian Bible. End of story.
  • Dave Sa... FAWKES'... 2012/07/07 01:40:33
    Dave Sawyer ♥ Child of God ♥
    The Bible is the Bible. We have other scriptures as well, but they are not the Bible.
  • FAWKES'... Dave Sa... 2012/07/07 02:26:14
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    Tell us. Do you follow the Smith Translations or do you follow the "footnotes?"
  • Dave Sa... FAWKES'... 2012/07/07 04:22:42
    Dave Sawyer ♥ Child of God ♥
    Well, the Joseph Smith Translations are only in the footnotes.

    What I live by, are every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
  • FAWKES'... Dave Sa... 2012/07/07 04:33:17
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    OY.. OK then do you follow the original translation or the Smith translation?
  • Dave Sa... FAWKES'... 2012/07/07 04:38:10 (edited)
    Dave Sawyer ♥ Child of God ♥
    Both. They are not in conflict.

    I also read the original Hebrew and Greek.

    And I listen to the Spirit.
  • FAWKES'... Dave Sa... 2012/07/07 05:05:19 (edited)
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    They are in total conflict. You are either very young or very clueless.

    Galatians 1:

    6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
  • Dave Sa... FAWKES'... 2012/07/07 05:37:48
    Dave Sawyer ♥ Child of God ♥
    That was written in the First Century and by the Fourth Century apostasy was universal. Through Joseph Smith, Christ restored the gospel as He gave it in the New Testament.
  • FAWKES'... Dave Sa... 2012/07/07 05:42:50
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    There is no "Christ" because there is no "Old Testament." I'm sure an intelligent man named Jesus lived and followed the Religion of Abraham - but he was NOT a god or any other sort of deity. He was a man.

    Here's a story written by the Polytheistic Sumerians 1700 years before the Hebrews even existed. See if it sounds familiar.

    Sumerian Tablet 11 of the Epic of Gilgamesh:

    [1] Gilgameš spoke to Ut-napištim, the Faraway:
    "I have been looking at you,
    but your appearance is not strange - you are like me!
    You yourself are not different - you are like me!
    My mind was resolved to fight with you,
    but instead my arm lies useless over you.
    Tell me,
    how is it that you stand in the Assembly of the Gods, and have found life?"

    [8] Ut-napištim spoke to Gilgameš, saying:
    "I will reveal to you, Gilgameš, a thing that is hidden,
    a secret of the gods I will tell you!
    Šuruppak, a city that you surely know,
    situated on the banks of the Euphrates,
    that city was very old, and there were gods inside it.

    [14] The hearts of the Great Gods moved them to inflict the Flood.
    Their Father Anu uttered the oath,
    Valiant Enlil was their Adviser,
    Ninurta was their Chamberlain,
    Ennugi was their Minister of Canals.

    [19] Ea, the Prince, was under oath with ...












































































































































































































































    There is no "Christ" because there is no "Old Testament." I'm sure an intelligent man named Jesus lived and followed the Religion of Abraham - but he was NOT a god or any other sort of deity. He was a man.

    Here's a story written by the Polytheistic Sumerians 1700 years before the Hebrews even existed. See if it sounds familiar.

    Sumerian Tablet 11 of the Epic of Gilgamesh:

    [1] Gilgameš spoke to Ut-napištim, the Faraway:
    "I have been looking at you,
    but your appearance is not strange - you are like me!
    You yourself are not different - you are like me!
    My mind was resolved to fight with you,
    but instead my arm lies useless over you.
    Tell me,
    how is it that you stand in the Assembly of the Gods, and have found life?"

    [8] Ut-napištim spoke to Gilgameš, saying:
    "I will reveal to you, Gilgameš, a thing that is hidden,
    a secret of the gods I will tell you!
    Šuruppak, a city that you surely know,
    situated on the banks of the Euphrates,
    that city was very old, and there were gods inside it.

    [14] The hearts of the Great Gods moved them to inflict the Flood.
    Their Father Anu uttered the oath,
    Valiant Enlil was their Adviser,
    Ninurta was their Chamberlain,
    Ennugi was their Minister of Canals.

    [19] Ea, the Prince, was under oath with them
    so he repeated their talk to the reed house:
    'Reed house, reed house! Wall, wall!
    O man of Šuruppak, son of Ubar-Tutu [i.e., Ut-napištim]
    Tear down the house and build a boat!
    Abandon wealth and seek living beings!
    Spurn possessions and keep alive living beings!
    Make [the seed of] all living beings go up into the boat.
    The boat which you are to build,
    its dimensions must measure equal to each other:
    its length must correspond to its width.
    Roof it over like the Apsu.' [i.e., the firmament in the primordial waters]

    [32] I understood and spoke to my lord, Ea:
    'My lord, thus is the command which you have uttered
    I will heed and will do it.
    But what shall I answer the city, the populace, and the Elders?'

    [36] Ea spoke, commanding me, his servant:
    'You, well then, this is what you must say to them:
    "It appears that Enlil is rejecting me
    so I cannot reside in your city,
    nor set foot on Enlil's earth.
    I will go down to the Apsu to live with my lord, Ea,
    and upon you he will rain down abundance,
    a profusion of fowl, myriad fishes
    He will bring to you a harvest of wealth,
    in the morning he will let loaves of bread shower down,
    and in the evening a rain of wheat!"'

    [48] Just as dawn began to glow
    the people assembled around me.
    The carpenter carried his hatchet,
    the reedworker carried his flattening stone,

    [two lines destroyed]

    [54] The child carried the pitch,
    the weak brought whatever else was needed.
    On the fifth day I had laid out her exterior.
    It was a field in area,
    its walls were each 10 times 12 cubits in height,
    the sides of its top were of equal length, 10 times 12 cubits each.

    [58] Then I designed its interior structure as follows:
    I provided it with six decks,
    thus dividing it into seven levels.
    The inside of it I divided into nine compartments.
    I drove plugs to keep out water in its middle part.
    I saw to the punting poles and laid in what was necessary.

    [65] Three times 3,600 units of raw bitumen I poured into the bitumen kiln,
    three times 3,600 units of pitch [...] into it,
    there were three times 3,600 porters of casks who carried vegetable oil.
    Apart from the 3,600 units of oil for the dedication,
    the boatsman stored away two times 3,600 units of oil.

    [70] I butchered oxen for the carpenters,
    and day upon day I slaughtered sheep.
    I gave the workmen beer, ale, oil, and wine,
    as if it were river water,
    and they made a party like the New Year's Festival!

    [75] I set my hand to the finishing of the ship.
    The boat was finished by sunset.
    The launching was very difficult:
    They had to keep carrying a runway of poles front to back,
    until two-thirds of it had gone under water.

    [80] Whatever I had I loaded on it:
    whatever silver I had I loaded on it,
    whatever gold I had I loaded on it.
    All the living beings that I had I loaded on it,
    I had all my kith and kin go up into the boat,
    all the beasts and animals of the field and the craftsmen I had go up.

    [87] [The sun god] Šamaš had set a stated time:
    'In the morning I will let loaves of bread shower down,
    and in the evening a rain of wheat!
    Go inside the boat, seal the entry!'

    [89] That stated time had arrived.
    In the morning he let loaves of bread shower down,
    and in the evening a rain of wheat.
    I watched the appearance of the weather:
    the weather was frightful to behold!

    [93] I went into the boat and sealed the entry.
    For the caulking of the boat, to Puzur-Amurri, the boatman,
    I gave the palace together with its contents.

    [96] Just as dawn began to glow
    there arose from the horizon a black cloud.
    [the storm god] Adad rumbled inside of it,
    before him went Šhullat and Haniš [Sack and Suppression],
    heralds going over mountain and land.

    [101] [The god of destruction] Erragal pulled out the mooring poles,
    forth went [the war god] Ninurta and made the dikes overflow.

    [103] The gods lifted up the torches,
    setting the land ablaze with their flare.

    [105] Stunned shock over Adad's deeds overtook the heavens,
    and turned to blackness all that had been light.
    He shattered the land like a raging bull, broke it into pieces like a pot.

    [108] All day long the South Wind blew,
    blowing fast - and then the Flood came,
    overwhelming the people like an attack.

    [111] No one could see his fellow,
    they could not recognize each other in the torrent.

    [113] Even the gods were frightened by the Flood,
    and retreated, ascending to the heaven of Anu.
    The gods were cowering like dogs, crouching by the outer wall.

    [116] Ištar shrieked like a woman in childbirth,
    the sweet-voiced Mistress of the Gods wailed:
    'The olden days have alas turned to clay,
    because I said evil things in the Assembly of the Gods!
    How could I say evil things in the Assembly of the Gods,
    ordering a catastrophe to destroy my people?
    No sooner have I given birth to my dear people
    than they fill the sea like so many fish!'

    [124] The gods -those of the Anunnaki- were weeping with her,
    the gods humbly sat weeping, sobbing with grief,
    their lips burning, parched with thirst.
    Six days and seven nights
    came the wind and flood,
    the storm flattening the land.

    [129] When the seventh day arrived,
    the storm was pounding.
    She who had been struggling with itself like a woman writhing in labor,
    the sea, calmed; the whirlwind fell still; the flood stopped.

    [133] I looked around all day long - quiet had set in
    and all the human beings had turned to clay!
    The terrain was as flat as a roof.

    [136] I opened a vent and daylight fell upon my cheek.
    I fell to my knees and sat weeping,
    tears streaming down my cheeks.
    I looked around for coastlines in the expanse of the sea,
    and at twelve leagues there emerged a region of land.

    [141] On Mount Nimuš the boat lodged firm,
    Mount Nimuš held the boat, allowing no sway.
    One day and a second Mount Nimuš held the boat, allowing no sway.
    A third day, a fourth, Mount Nimuš held the boat, allowing no sway.
    A fifth day, a sixth, Mount Nimuš held the boat, allowing no sway.

    [146] When a seventh day arrived
    I sent forth a dove and released it.
    The dove went off, but came back to me;
    no perch was visible so it circled back to me.

    [150] I sent forth a swallow and released it.
    The swallow went off, but came back to me;
    no perch was visible so it circled back to me.

    [153] I sent forth a raven and released it.
    The raven went off, and saw the waters slither back.
    It eats, it scratches, it bobs, but does not circle back to me.

    [156] I sacrificed: I offered a libation to the four corners of the world,
    I burned incense in front of the rising mountain.
    Seven and seven cult vessels I put in place,
    and into the bowls I poured [the oil of] reeds, cedar, and myrtle.

    [160] The gods smelled the savor,
    the gods smelled the sweet savor,
    and collected like flies over a sacrifice.

    Just then the Mistress of the Gods arrived.
    She lifted up the large fly-shaped beads which Anu had made for their engagement:

    'You gods, as surely as I shall not forget this lapis lazuli around my neck,
    may I be mindful of these days, and never forget them!
    The gods may come to the incense offering,
    but Enlil may not come to the incense offering,
    because without considering he brought about the Flood
    and consigned my people to annihilation.'

    [171] Just then Enlil arrived.
    He saw the boat and became furious,
    he was filled with rage at the Igigi gods:
    'Where did a living being escape?
    No man was to survive the annihilation!'

    [176] Ninurta spoke to Valiant Enlil, saying:
    'Who else but Ea could devise such a thing?
    It is Ea who knows every machination!'

    [180] Ea spoke to Valiant Enlil, saying:
    'It is yours, O Valiant One, who is the Sage of the Gods.
    How, how could you bring about a Flood without consideration
    Charge the violation to the violator,
    charge the offense to the offender,
    but be compassionate lest (mankind) be cut off,
    be patient lest they be killed.

    [187] Instead of your bringing on the Flood,
    would that a lion had appeared to diminish the people!
    Instead of your bringing on the Flood,
    would that a wolf had appeared to diminish the people!
    Instead of your bringing on the Flood,
    would that famine had occurred to slay the land!
    Instead of your bringing on the Flood,
    would that Pestilent Erra had appeared to ravage the land!

    [196] It was not I who revealed the secret of the Great Gods,
    I only made a dream appear to Atrahasis, and thus he heard our secret.
    Now then! The deliberation should be about him!'

    [198] Enlil went up inside the boat
    and, grasping my hand, made me go up.
    He had my wife go up and kneel by my side.
    He touched our forehead and, standing between us, he blessed us:

    [202] 'Previously Ut-napištim was a human being.
    But now let Ut-napištim and his wife become like us, the gods!
    Let Ut-napištim reside far away, at the Mouth of the Rivers.'

    [205] They took us far away and settled us at the Mouth of the Rivers.

    [To Gilgameš] Now then, who will convene the gods on your behalf,
    that you may find the life that you are seeking!
    Wait! You must not lie down for six days and seven nights."

    [209] Soon as Gilgameš sat down (with his head) between his legs
    sleep, like a fog, blew upon him.
    Ut-napištim said to his wife:
    "Look there! The man, the youth who wanted (eternal) life!
    Sleep, like a fog, blew over him."
    (more)
  • Dave Sa... FAWKES'... 2012/07/07 05:44:08
    Dave Sawyer ♥ Child of God ♥
    You must have some revelation from God if you are so certain that the interpretations of modern men are correct.
  • FAWKES'... Dave Sa... 2012/07/07 05:54:00
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    Its called Archaeology and it is definite. The existence of the God of Abraham is documented by A BOOK. That is all.

    Archaeology has found an older BOOK with the same stories 2000 older than the Hebrews' BOOK.
  • Dave Sa... FAWKES'... 2012/07/07 05:58:14
    Dave Sawyer ♥ Child of God ♥
    I know the God of Abraham. I know He lives. I don't need no documentation.

    The Hebrews' Book is not the first Book of God. The Hebrews don't go back all that far. It was not written until about 1400 BC and thereafter.
  • FAWKES'... Dave Sa... 2012/07/07 00:03:35
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    My facts are valid. The problem is you don't know what Christian Doctrine is supposed to look like.
  • Dave Sa... FAWKES'... 2012/07/07 01:25:21
    Dave Sawyer ♥ Child of God ♥
    And how would YOU know without revelation from God?

    The doctrine of the 4th Century looks nothing like the Bible.
  • FAWKES'... Dave Sa... 2012/07/07 01:29:31
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    LMFAO!! Joe Smith was a convicted con artist.

    This is a Court receipt for The People vs. Joseph Smith in 1826. He was called the "Glass Looker" because he claimed he could find treasure by placing magic "seer" stones in a stove pipe hat and look inside to find the location of buried treasures (for a fee, of course). He was convicted of fraud.

    stove pipe hat location buried treasures fee convicted fraud

    In 1833, Abigail Harris and Lucy Harris (wife of Smith's partner, Martin Harris) testified in the Wayne County Court that the whole thing was a fraud. http://carm.org/religious-mov...
  • Dave Sa... FAWKES'... 2012/07/07 01:49:23
    Dave Sawyer ♥ Child of God ♥
    People were already persecuting him for saying he had had a vision of God.

    Your links make your witnesses out to be persons of evil character, and not present at this trial for which you have the receipt. The receipt does not say where the trial was held, or the outcome of the trial, or which of all the Joseph Smiths is referred to.

    If it was a fraud, it was the most successful fraud ever perpetrated, for God Himself has collaborated with it, as I do witness.
  • FAWKES'... Dave Sa... 2012/07/07 02:30:05 (edited)
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    As you can see by the court record, Smith was using the Goggle Hat scam 4 years before he claimed to have his "Angel of Light" hallucinations.

    But don't worry. All of the Abrahamic Religions are drivel. The Old Testament itself is a plagiarism of Sumerian Texts written 1700-2000 years before the Hebrews even existed, let alone learned how to write. Therefore it is impossible for the Torah, New Testament, Qur'an or Book of Mormon to be true - as far as deities are concerned anyway. Mormonism just happens to be the most hysterically comical of the four.
  • Dave Sa... FAWKES'... 2012/07/07 04:26:32
    Dave Sawyer ♥ Child of God ♥
    Joseph's vision was in 1820, 6 years before the purported court record.
    You should really get your facts straight, from reliable sources, not anti-LDS sources.
  • FAWKES'... Dave Sa... 2012/07/07 04:50:12
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    So you're saying he was arrested and convicted for fraud even AFTER he had his holy visions? Wow. That makes him even worse.

    Smith spent most of the 1820's conning and defrauding people into paying him to find treasure by looking through rocks in a hat. He was arrested and convicted of fraud in Colesville in 1826. Shortly after in 1827 he embarked on his scheme to form a religion. By April of 1830 he officially 'opened the doors' of his new church preaching a text he claimed to have translated by looking through rocks in a hat. He had begun 'translating' his magical golden plates - that no one had ever seen - in 1827 AFTER his fraud conviction.The people closest to him gave sworn testimony in a court of law that the religion was a fraud to make money.

    These are the facts. Documented by official court records.

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