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"If Paul Ryan Knew What Poverty Was, He Wouldn't Be Giving This Speech".

luvguins 2012/04/28 04:25:29
Two of my favorite things are irony and Karma. For weeks the right has been whining that asking for contraception coverage was an "attack on religion". How the president has been attacking the very fiber of the Catholic church beliefs by asking private insurance to cover the contracetive needs of all that wish to use it. Well, now it seems the Catholic church has a bigger problem with one of their own, Paul Ryan.

By Stephanie Mencimer,

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), chairman of the House budget committee, knew some Catholics were spoiling for a fight with him Thursday when he was scheduled to speak at Georgetown University, a Catholic institution. Nearly 90 faculty members and administrators sent him a letter expressing concerns with his recent comments that his proposed budget, which includes massive spending cuts to programs for the poor but not a single tax increase, was inspired by his Catholic faith.

"I am afraid that Chairman Ryan's budget reflects the values of his favorite philosopher Ayn Rand rather than the gospel of Jesus Christ," said Father Thomas Reese, a fellow at the Woodstock Theological Center at Georgetown, in a press release Tuesday. "Survival of the fittest may be okay for Social Darwinists but not for followers of the gospel of compassion and love."


The complaints seemed to resonate with Ryan. On Thursday, he went on record denouncing Ayn Rand, who believed altruism is evil, brushing off his well-documented obsession with her as a teenage romance. Ryan told the National Review's Robert Costa: "I reject her philosophy. It's an atheist philosophy. It reduces human interactions down to mere contracts and it is antithetical to my worldview. If somebody is going to try to paste a person's view on epistemology to me, then give me Thomas Aquinas. Don't give me Ayn Rand."




During his speech, though, Ryan didn't back away from any of his budget proposals, which would dramatically reduce the number of people on food stamps and radically scale back Medicaid, the health care program for the poor. Instead, he championed such proposals as a means to liberate the poor. Calling the budget "hardly draconian," he said:



Our budget builds on the historic welfare reforms of the 1990s—reforms proven to work. We aim to empower state and local governments, communities, and individuals—those closest to the problem. And we aim to promote opportunity and upward mobility by strengthening job training programs, to help those who have fallen on hard times. My mentor, Jack Kemp, used to say, "You can't help America's poor by making America poor."


During the Q&A; session that followed, where Ryan fielded questions submitted by students, he insisted that welfare reform had brought down child poverty rates. The claim is false, especially in Ryan's home state. According to the most recent data, the child poverty rate in Wisconsin jumped 42 percent between 2000 and 2010. The suffering would have been more significant but for the large increases in federal food assistance that Ryan wants to scale back. Welfare reform is more likely a contributing factor to child poverty, not a solution to it, making it a dubious model for for combating poverty "at its roots," as Ryan said he wants to do.


That's why Catholics at Georgetown, the US Conference of Catholic Bishops, and other Catholic organizations were so outraged when Ryan told a Christian TV show earlier this month that his budget was wholly in keeping with Catholic teachings and practically endorsed by the Pope himself, whom Ryan told the students Thursday was down on debt. His speech was protested on Thursday by Catholics who are in the trenches with the people who would suffer from his budget proposal. They were folks who work at soup kitchens, homeless shelters, and other social-service agencies run by Catholic organizations, who see first hand the complexities and needs of the poor.

James Salt, the executive director of Catholics United, which organized one of the protests outside the hall where Ryan was speaking, told gathered reporters that his group was there because "the dignity of the poor should be at the forefront of our minds." Taking a dig at Ryan's attempts to cast his budget as a boon for poor people, Salt noted, "If Paul Ryan knew what poverty was, he wouldn't be giving this speech."

It kind of reminds you of Ryan's problem last year trying to sell Medicare vouchers to his constituents in Wisconsin, doesn't it?



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  • BRIDGET 2012/04/28 23:24:19
    BRIDGET
    +2
    THAT IS N-O-T CATHOLIC TEACHING!!! THEY FOLLOW THE WORDS OF CHRIST-FEED THE HUNGRY, HELP THE POOR,CLOTHE THE NAKED & VISIT THE PRISONERS" IF HE'S A "CHRISTIAN" HE'S A DAMN POOR ONE!!! MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON HIS WRETCHED SOUL!
  • pizzaman7 2012/04/28 23:15:00 (edited)
    pizzaman7
    +3
    Well Paul Ryan is offering plans and we get NO BUDGET FROM THE MESSIAH IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS.

    What is Barry's plan ? Where is our money going ? Where has $6 trillion dollars the idiot gone other than to Solyndra and other failed ideas ?

    Obviously the liberal tax and spend economics is not working. The results are awful. High unemployment hits again under these failed ideas. The price of gas has more than doubled from the $1.86 a gallon the moron had when he started. How many times are we going to try socialism and watch it fail ? Only an insane person would keep trying something that keeps failing !

    At least Ryan is trying to do SOMETHING. I guess some people are content to see their socialist dictator playing round after round of golf while other people are suffering. You get what you vote for. Some of you wanted the European lifestyle now you got it ! We are broke, homeless, and don't have jobs ! It is NEVER good to continually spend more money than we take in. We take in $2.4 Trillion in taxes a year and this idiot is spending $3.8 Trillion of our money every year.







    Well Paul Ryan is offering plans and we get NO BUDGET FROM THE MESSIAH IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS.

    What is Barry's plan ? Where is our money going ? Where has $6 trillion dollars the idiot gone other than to Solyndra and other failed ideas ?

    Obviously the liberal tax and spend economics is not working. The results are awful. High unemployment hits again under these failed ideas. The price of gas has more than doubled from the $1.86 a gallon the moron had when he started. How many times are we going to try socialism and watch it fail ? Only an insane person would keep trying something that keeps failing !

    At least Ryan is trying to do SOMETHING. I guess some people are content to see their socialist dictator playing round after round of golf while other people are suffering. You get what you vote for. Some of you wanted the European lifestyle now you got it ! We are broke, homeless, and don't have jobs ! It is NEVER good to continually spend more money than we take in. We take in $2.4 Trillion in taxes a year and this idiot is spending $3.8 Trillion of our money every year.

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  • Mike pizzaman7 2012/04/29 00:16:14
    Mike
    +2
    I suggest you reread your comment and really think about the causes. Your blaming the wrong person.
  • pizzaman7 Mike 2012/05/07 03:05:18
    pizzaman7
    Congress has a constitutional responsibility to pass a budget and here we are four years without one !

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/29...

    Even CNN understands this better than you. please....explain to us why we do not have a budget. Please explain to us the need to have massive deficits every single year. the Feds take in $2.4 trillion in revenue and they are spending darn close to double that every year. please explain this to us.
  • Mike pizzaman7 2012/05/07 17:51:27
    Mike
    +1
    The prior conservative adminstrations inability to oversee it's spending priorties and its impact on the future economy, leading only to recession and massive deficit. What you see is what you get, the aftermath of conservative thinking to what governments role is to be, to bad it didn't consider the rest of us.
  • Jimbo pizzaman7 2012/04/29 01:06:20
    Jimbo
    +4
    The increased costs came from a trickle down, no regulation economy that lost 8 million jobs and reduced revenues over a trillion from the 90s. The spin blaming Obama for what he was given is stupidity by conservatives. From the first signed president Obama budget to now 3,5 million jobs were created. Stimulus say a 10% increase in GDP growth in six months. This was done in lieu of 400 house passed bills that never got a vote in the Senate. More than the previous 30 years combined. The party of no has done a good job of saying no. They have done nothing to move this country forward. No job bill, no replace for ACA, just no.
  • pizzaman7 Jimbo 2012/05/07 03:21:18
    pizzaman7
    man you are a babbling idiot. what the hell are you talking about ? where are the 3.5 million jobs ? please submit proof of this. so four years ago we spent $800 billion and the results have been miserable. you are blaming the 90's for this idiot who is spending well above the $2.4 trillion the Feds take in every year ?

    Congress has a constitutional responsibility to pass a budget and here we are four years without one. Even CNN understands this. Please elaborate why we don't have a budget. Is this Bush's fault too !

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/29...

    let's take a look at the facts shall we space cadet....let's look at where the "stimulus" money really went to.....

    US Taxpayer money going to stimulus packages to "rebuild infrastructures" are going to Chinese companies !

    http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/vid...

    Government Stimulus bill created few jobs.....and cost taxpayers over $400,000 per job !!!

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/a...

    Billions of dollars of Stimulus money was awarded to tax cheats !

    http://www.washingtontimes.co...

    only 7% of the Stimulus plan went to "infrastructure spending" ! where did this money go ? this president panders to labor unions with our money.......

    http://www.humanevents.com/ar...
    http://www.heritage.org/Resea...

    the true size of our national debt....

    http:/...

















































    man you are a babbling idiot. what the hell are you talking about ? where are the 3.5 million jobs ? please submit proof of this. so four years ago we spent $800 billion and the results have been miserable. you are blaming the 90's for this idiot who is spending well above the $2.4 trillion the Feds take in every year ?

    Congress has a constitutional responsibility to pass a budget and here we are four years without one. Even CNN understands this. Please elaborate why we don't have a budget. Is this Bush's fault too !

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/29...

    let's take a look at the facts shall we space cadet....let's look at where the "stimulus" money really went to.....

    US Taxpayer money going to stimulus packages to "rebuild infrastructures" are going to Chinese companies !

    http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/vid...

    Government Stimulus bill created few jobs.....and cost taxpayers over $400,000 per job !!!

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/a...

    Billions of dollars of Stimulus money was awarded to tax cheats !

    http://www.washingtontimes.co...

    only 7% of the Stimulus plan went to "infrastructure spending" ! where did this money go ? this president panders to labor unions with our money.......

    http://www.humanevents.com/ar...
    http://www.heritage.org/Resea...

    the true size of our national debt....

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/...

    don't look now but you are about to bail-out irresponsible homeowners !

    http://online.wsj.com/article...

    look at the billions our government wastes....

    http://www.coburn.senate.gov/...

    who says there is no free lunch ? the culture of dependency gets worse and worse...

    http://www.americanthinker.co...

    Government creates jobs all right.....at welfare offices to service ever greater needs of public assistance !

    http://libertynews.com/2012/0...

    40 million people are on the Government payroll in some form and owe their pay to the taxpayer !

    http://www.nationalreview.com...

    Amtrak is a huge boondoggle and losing billions of dollars for the taxpayer....evidence once again of fraud with public money.....

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/0...

    72,000 stimulus checks sent to dead people ! now that's a way to fund economic growth !

    http://www.foxnews.com/politi...

    EPA is funneling $2 million of taxpayer money to community activist groups ! What is the charter for the EPA ?

    Senator admits that trillions of dollars were spend but "We have nothing to show for it".....

    http://www.nationalreview.com...

    the 111th Congress will go down in US History as the most expensive irresponsible Congress in US History...

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/a...
    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/a...

    the first time in US history that our credit rating got downgraded....the dollar is slipping in world markets....the news keeps getting better.....

    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfr...
    http://www.washingtonpost.com...

    One in two Americans are now in poverty !

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/...

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/a...
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  • Ali ~ In My Heart I Trust ~ 2012/04/28 22:09:04
    Ali ~ In My Heart I Trust ~
    +3
    Good for Father Thomas Reese. Ryan may repudiate Ayn Rand for her atheism but it's clear he doesn't repudiate the rest of her world view.
  • luvguins Ali ~ I... 2012/04/29 02:00:10
    luvguins
    +3
    The president is correct. Conservatives all worship Ayn Rand and social Darwinism.
  • jubil8 BN-0 PON 2012/04/28 22:01:47
    jubil8 BN-0 PON
    +2
    I never thought I'd say this, but "Good for the Catholic Church!"
  • beach bum 2012/04/28 21:59:07
    beach bum
    +2
    hmmm...maybe politicians should spend a week in a homeless shelter or volunteer in a soup kitchen...i have and it will change your perspective on life
  • Avenged7 2012/04/28 21:41:40
    Avenged7
    +4
    He's part of that greed gang that wants to enrich themselves more and more, by taking from the rest of us.
  • Rabbit 2012/04/28 20:23:59
    Rabbit
    +3
    Just spin from a far left leaning web site. The truth is that this administration wants everyone on food stamps and welfare. It's time to cut them all off the government teets. If Democrats were really concerned, jobs would be the real bitch. This way the poor could feed themselves. By the way, the poor were yesterdays middle class...Obama's failed policies have made the middle class into the food stamp generation.
  • luvguins Rabbit 2012/04/28 21:45:10
    luvguins
    +3
    Oops, there you go forgetting Bush lost 1.5 million jobs on his way out after only creating 3 million.
  • John James luvguins 2012/04/29 00:41:43
    John James
    +2
    obama and the democrats destroyed way more than that, and the destruction is still going on
  • luvguins John James 2012/04/29 02:47:28
    luvguins
    +2
    26 months of private sector job creation replacing more that what Bush created in 8 years. General Motors #1 in the world. Some destruction.
  • John James luvguins 2012/04/29 02:59:42
    John James
    +2
    Actually since obama has been in office, we have lost jobs. We are still above the unemployment rate we had when Bush was in office. So your lies are not cutting it. GM sucks, we illegally gave money to the unions over the share holders. What obama did with GM is criminal at best.
  • luvguins John James 2012/04/29 03:10:45
    luvguins
    +2
    Who is we? Only state I know of that lost jobs is Wisconsin under criminal Scott Walker. Unemployment was 7.3% when Bush left office, and more were lost the first 3 months he was gone before the president entered the White House. As for GM, the union workers took cuts to make the bailout work, and GM cars and trucks are better than ever.
  • John James luvguins 2012/04/29 03:44:05
    John James
    +2
    Scott Walker is not a criminal, his actions have not harmed anyone, unlike the actions of the democrats who are harming millions. You really need to get informed and stop repeating the leftist lies.
  • luvguins John James 2012/04/29 04:15:54
    luvguins
    +2
    Why is the state investigating him, and 3 of his aides have been charged?
    You are really uninformed. He is going to be recalled by the people in WI in June. You better get up to speed.

    Recall Walker
  • John James luvguins 2012/04/29 16:14:56
    John James
    +1
    The state is not investigating him. The unions are wasting tax payer money trying to recall him. So maybe you should get informed
  • luvguins John James 2012/04/29 18:05:53
    luvguins
    +1
    Maybe you should get informed. Walker must be scared if he hired an attorney to go talk to the D.A.
    http://www.channel3000.com/ne...
  • John James luvguins 2012/04/29 18:07:21
    John James
    +1
    And again, more hot air from the left
  • luvguins John James 2012/04/29 18:39:47
    luvguins
    You must be an expert on the hot air you spew. The Ryan plan. Republican hot air
  • Rabbit luvguins 2012/04/29 03:59:19
    Rabbit
    +3
    Oops, there you go again...spinning. Government does not creat jobs...Government creates the environment for we the people to create jobs. When government creates jobs, it's because it's growing the government. Just like a good little Communist. Get real! The reason Bush created 3,000 jobs (by your count) was because of the war effort. You need to check your facts and while you're at it, check your self! With Americans like you, we don't need any enemies.
  • Sissy Rabbit 2012/04/28 22:21:26
    Sissy
    +4
    One thing you seem to have forgotten or have never known is that there will always be poor. God must have loved them because he made so many of them.

    While the Republicans congratulate and toast the wealthy and find nothing but praise for the 1%, many like Romney who got that way off the backs of the middle and underclasses. selling off parts of healthy businesses, shipping good paying jobs off shore, you then bitch about those left behind trying to take care of their families. A helluva bunch you are that claim the moral and Christian high ground.
  • Rabbit Sissy 2012/05/08 06:53:51
    Rabbit
    Nice rant, but you're wrong again. You morons never pass up a chance to bring Christianity into a conversation. This just tells me that you're a hater and not worth conversing with.
  • Mike Rabbit 2012/05/08 03:47:58 (edited)
    Mike
    +1
    Just spin from a far right leaning web site. The truth is that they can't admit their past conservative adminstrations deficit spending on war and tax breaks for the wealthiest ended up in a major recession, causing most of the things they are complaining about today. Facts to remember.Then came Clinton in the black and he proved that posterity was back. Later came Bush in the red and he, all but killed the economy dead.
  • Rabbit Mike 2012/05/08 06:57:26
    Rabbit
    More spin from the leftist sheeple. The Liberals in Congress are to blame for the recession. Also Clinton is to blame for 9-11. He was a peace time president with his tail tucked between his legs. Just like most Liberals.
  • trentinafur 2012/04/28 20:17:46 (edited)
    trentinafur
    +2
    hy·poc·ri·sy (h -p k r -s ). n. pl. hy·poc·ri·sies. 1. the state of pretending to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that one does not actually have.

    May as well just say "See Paul Ryan". His words and his budget are the definition of hypocrisy. And the Catholic Leadership has called him out on it.

    It's pretty clear: one cannot be both a true Catholic - and a supporter of the Ryan Budget.
  • Tennessee3501 2012/04/28 20:00:21
    Tennessee3501
    +3
    Paul Ryan is a great American who is trying to address the issue of the deficit! His budget offers some suggestions, but it does involve "reforming sacred cows." You can opposse whatever portion of his budget that you disagree with, but give him credit for bringing new ideas to the table!
  • Sissy Tenness... 2012/04/28 22:23:37
    Sissy
    +3
    In case you haven't looked closely, Ryan's budget does nothing, nada, zilch to address the deficit. Indeed it adds to it because he once again gives huge tax breaks to the wealthy. What it does do is make the poorer in this country poorer and of course the wealthy wealthier. If you want us to become a third world nation, Ryan would have us well on our way.
  • beavith1 Sissy 2012/04/29 20:33:04
    beavith1
    Obama is turning us into a third world economy.

    Ryan's budget drives the deficits smaller year over year, versus an almost exponential increase in Obama promoted budgets.

    i don't think that Ryan cuts enough.
  • luvguins beavith1 2012/04/29 20:39:01
    luvguins
    +1
    Lots of luck with that in November. Ryan should start with the military, and some prudent fixes to entitlements without privatizing them. You are in deep doo doo when the Catholic church protests.
  • beavith1 luvguins 2012/04/29 20:47:59 (edited)
    beavith1
    +1
    i don't think we'll need it. Obama will implode first.

    he should start everywhere. military. ag subsidies. SS medicare. amputate the useful responsibilities of both DoE and then shutter the rest. the list is endless.

    i suspect the Catholics that are whining about Ryan are not the same ones that are complaining about Obama demanding that the church pay for women's reproductive health care.
  • luvguins beavith1 2012/04/29 20:55:56
    luvguins
    +1
    You suspect wrong from the members of my church. Plus Independents are beginning to see how bad a Romney presidency would be.
  • beavith1 luvguins 2012/04/29 22:37:52
    beavith1
    +1
    we'll see if that's true in November....
  • Sissy beavith1 2012/04/30 12:55:47
    Sissy
    +1
    Do you really trust Romney, beav?
  • beavith1 Sissy 2012/04/30 14:48:08
    beavith1
    +2
    FAR more than Obama.

    its not a ringing endorsement, but there it is...
  • Sissy beavith1 2012/05/01 13:44:57
    Sissy
    +2
    Well good luck with that. You're going to need it.

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