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If Mitt wins the election, will he be the first non-Christian President of the United States?

Jasmine 2012/07/21 20:40:25
Yes, he will be the 1st non-Christian POTUS.
No, he will not be the 1st non-Christian POTUS.  There have been others.
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What kind of stupid question is this?
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Pastor Cooper P. Abrams, III, Castle Country Baptist
Church, Price, Utah:

"... only until recently have Mormons wanted
to be called Christians, preferring not to be included
with Christian denominations, which Joseph Smith said
were, "all wrong ... all their creeds were an
admonition in his sight, and that those professors
(Christians) were all corrupt" (Pearl of Great
Price, Joseph Smith, 2:18-19).


Mormons have preferred to be called
"saints"; however, in the recent years the LDS
church has spent millions in an intense "PR"
campaign aimed at moving the church into the mainstream
of Christianity. The political and economic benefits of
Mormons being included in the mainstream of Christianity
are obvious. Further, for Mormons to be accepted as
traditional Christians would greatly aid in proselytizing
the members of Christian denominations into the LDS
church. This is why the LDS church is trying so hard to
present itself as Christian and is trying to overcome the
stigma of being a cult."

With that said (and of course you are perfectly free to disagree with the above), have there been other Presidents who were non-Christian?

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  • JohnWayne 2012/07/24 03:03:11 (edited)
    No, he will not be the 1st non-Christian POTUS. There have been others.
    JohnWayne
    +8
    Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, John Quincy Adams, James Monroe, James Madison, Abraham Lincoln, Millard Filmore were all avowedly non-Theists who did not believe in Jesus as divine. They were (at least mostly) Christocentric Deists, but that is very different from being Christian. Christocentric means they followed Jesus as a moral teacher, a good man and teacher.
    Mormons are very different, they have an elaborate mythology which has little or nothing to do with Christianity, including have several different gods. Jesus is one of their gods, but not the same as the creator god. They do not believe in the God of the Abrahamic religions, Jews, Christians, Muslims and Baha'is. So they are farther from Christian than Muslims are.

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  • ehrhornp 2012/10/07 18:32:57
    What kind of stupid question is this?
    ehrhornp
    Mormonism is an offshoot of the tree of Christianity. May not agree with it but that is not the question.
  • Tracie Richards 2012/08/12 16:14:42
    General comment.
    Tracie Richards
    I find it a little odd that we're supposed to overlook people in politics religious leanings until they're Republican.
    Mormons aren't some scary cult, I realize that evangelical christians think they are, but I don't agree with most of what they have to say anyway.
    To be honest I'm far less concerned with where he attends church that his ability to save our failing economy.
    My hope is that Mormon candidates will be accepted openly and examined closely. They should not be rejected solely because of their religious affiliation. Acceptance was what Senator John F. Kennedy called for in 1960, when he spoke from the pulpit of Salt Lake City’s Mormon Tabernacle, just two weeks after his famous address in Houston about his Catholicism. “What has been true of the Mormons has been true of countless other religious faiths — Jews, Quakers, Catholics, Baptists, Unitarians, Christian Scientists, Seventh-day Adventists, Jehovah’s Witnesses and many, many others,” Kennedy said. “All encountered resistance and oppression. All stuck by both their rights and their country.”
  • Jasmine Tracie ... 2012/08/12 16:17:30
    Jasmine
    +1
    Well actually I think Obama's religious beliefs and practices were examined when he first ran. That aside, I don't disagree. Unfortunately there has been a significant trend, by the religious right, to integrate religion and politics. That is what concerns me the most.

    goldwater on religious right
  • Jasmine Tracie ... 2012/08/12 16:17:54
    Jasmine
    and thank you for commenting.
  • Theodosius 2012/07/26 06:51:45
    No, he will not be the 1st non-Christian POTUS. There have been others.
    Theodosius
    +1
    As has been said, most of the very early presidents were not Christian. John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Monroe, Madison and john Quincy Adams were not Christian, they were Unitarian. Fillmore, Grant and Taft also. Do see the Wikipedia article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    The deciding criterion of whether a person is a Christian or not is if they accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior or not. Harry Truman, Dubya Bush, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton are the only believing Christian presidents I am aware of, but there probably were several more.
  • Jasmine Theodosius 2012/07/27 03:17:28
    Jasmine
    +1
    Thank you for commenting!
  • CheyenneGirl 2012/07/25 15:21:18
    No, he will not be the 1st non-Christian POTUS. There have been others.
    CheyenneGirl
    +3
    Our founding fathers were almost all Unitarians who denied the divinity of Jesus and therefore the Trinity. Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams wrote freedom of religion into the constitution to protect Freethinkers from Christian persecution. They were all Unitarian Deists, denied the Christian God altogether.
  • Jasmine Cheyenn... 2012/07/27 03:18:29
    Jasmine
    Thank you for commenting!
  • JohnWayne 2012/07/24 03:03:11 (edited)
    No, he will not be the 1st non-Christian POTUS. There have been others.
    JohnWayne
    +8
    Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, John Quincy Adams, James Monroe, James Madison, Abraham Lincoln, Millard Filmore were all avowedly non-Theists who did not believe in Jesus as divine. They were (at least mostly) Christocentric Deists, but that is very different from being Christian. Christocentric means they followed Jesus as a moral teacher, a good man and teacher.
    Mormons are very different, they have an elaborate mythology which has little or nothing to do with Christianity, including have several different gods. Jesus is one of their gods, but not the same as the creator god. They do not believe in the God of the Abrahamic religions, Jews, Christians, Muslims and Baha'is. So they are farther from Christian than Muslims are.
  • Jasmine JohnWayne 2012/07/27 03:17:45
    Jasmine
    Thank you for commenting!
  • rightside 2012/07/23 05:15:27
    General comment.
    rightside
    +1
    As with anyone that calls themselves many things, who the heck knows. I can't really comment on those that went before me, but lets start with JFK. He was catholic in name only. Johnson was mean and vicious and a womanizer. Not sure what Nixon was, but I liked him. Carter seems to be Christian. Reagan love the Lord. clinton did not have sex with that woman and both Bush's seemed sincere. bama isn't, and while I don't really agree with Mormonism, I think Mitt is very sincere in his faith.
  • Jasmine rightside 2012/07/24 00:07:53
    Jasmine
    +1
    Thank you for commenting.
  • KingdomNow 2012/07/23 04:37:03
    General comment.
    KingdomNow
    Who cares?

    Americans used to make a big deal about electing Catholics because they thought the Pope would control the country.

    Religion is no factor.
  • Jasmine KingdomNow 2012/07/23 04:59:52
    Jasmine
    To some religion isn't a factor, to some it is. And I for one care.
  • KingdomNow Jasmine 2012/07/23 05:06:12
    KingdomNow
    +1
    Individuals matter more. Did anybody consider Ted Kennedy a devout Catholic?
    I consider it almost like race- The content of a person's character is far more important than the color of his skin.

    Not everyone who claims to be of a particular faith leads his life by the essential doctrines of that faith. I trust people who wrap themselves in their faith even less.
  • Jasmine KingdomNow 2012/07/24 00:11:32
    Jasmine
    I agree with what you said. My concern about religion in politics (especially the Executive branch) is it doesn't belong.
  • KingdomNow Jasmine 2012/07/24 02:39:44
    KingdomNow
    I'm more wary of a politician who uses no moral compass, such as Bill Clinton. The current Fraud is another who posed as a churchgoing man yet in his own words and actions shows contempt for religion- These I find far more dangerous to freedom.
  • Jasmine KingdomNow 2012/07/27 03:20:19
    Jasmine
    I'm not arguing with or against your comments regarding Clinton or Obama. But it is possible to have a moral compass and not be a Christian.
  • KingdomNow Jasmine 2012/07/29 05:59:14
    KingdomNow
    Both Clinton and Obama posed as moral men yet history proves otherwise.

    Christianity isn't a guarantee for morality and I've met plenty bastards who hide behind a cross. Christianity isn't the only religion nor is it near being the oldest. I have plenty of Muslim, Buddhist and friends of other religions and philosophies who are moral people, raise moral children and lead moral lives.
  • Leena Awouda 2012/07/22 23:30:53
    No, he will not be the 1st non-Christian POTUS. There have been others.
    Leena Awouda
    +1
    First ...This is not a stupid question ... And yes ... Most of the founding fathers were deists like Thomas Jefferson...!!!
  • Jasmine Leena A... 2012/07/23 02:57:47
    Jasmine
    Thank you very much for your comment!
  • DefendnProtect 2012/07/22 21:07:22
    No, he will not be the 1st non-Christian POTUS. There have been others.
    DefendnProtect
    +1
    LOL. There have been many POTUS Christian in name only.

    It shouldn't matter.

    keep religion out of politics
  • Defendn... Defendn... 2012/07/22 21:11:00
    DefendnProtect
    And keep government out of our lives..

    keep government out of our lives constitution
  • DFA 2012/07/22 20:42:33
    No, he will not be the 1st non-Christian POTUS. There have been others.
    DFA
    +2
    I think we've had a few closeted agnostics and atheists.
  • Jasmine DFA 2012/07/23 02:58:23
    Jasmine
    Thank you for your comment.
  • reaper 2012/07/22 20:36:49
    General comment.
    reaper
    +2
    i still consider mormons christian.
  • Jasmine reaper 2012/07/23 02:59:05
    Jasmine
    Thank you for your comment and your civility!
  • beachbum 2012/07/22 19:34:42
    What kind of stupid question is this?
    beachbum
    +2
    Many can claim to be Christian, but only God knows a person's heart. I am not to judge a person's heart - I can only go by their actions.
  • Jasmine beachbum 2012/07/23 02:59:20
    Jasmine
    +1
    So very true. Thank you for your comment.
  • betz 2012/07/22 19:01:22
    What kind of stupid question is this?
    betz
    Who the heck is Paster Abrams III??? They are Christians. Move on.
  • Jasmine betz 2012/07/22 19:17:50
    Jasmine
    +1
    Why should I move on? Aren't you are at all curious about the Mormon beliefs and the differences between Christianity? There definitely are some. Some of the Mormon beliefs are a bit out there, in my opinion. I mean they have two bibles - the New Testament and the Book of Mormon.
  • betz Jasmine 2012/07/22 19:27:33
    betz
    Quite honestly I don't care. The man has Christian values, a love of family, love for this nation and great leadership skills. Bringing religion into it is ridiculous. I couldn't care less what his religion is as long as he is a good person and he is.
  • Jackie G - Poker Playing Pa... 2012/07/22 18:37:40
    General comment.
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +2
    NO - he is a christian
  • wtw 2012/07/22 18:34:47
    What kind of stupid question is this?
    wtw
    +2
    No, he considers himself a christian and in the sense of being a follower of Christ, he is!
  • Jasmine wtw 2012/07/22 19:15:41
    Jasmine
    I wonder if he considered himself a Christian 20 years ago... Not all Mormons do consider themselves Christians. There are definitely differences in the theology of Mormonism and Christianity. I've posted some of them in some of my responses to the comments here, in case you're interested.
  • betz Jasmine 2012/07/22 19:28:16
    betz
    Then don't vote for him. I'm thinking you're nothing but a pot stirrer.
  • Jasmine betz 2012/07/23 03:01:04
    Jasmine
    No I certainly don't plan to vote for him, or for Obama for that matter. And no I am not a 'pot stirrer'. I am an intelligent woman who has serious concerns for the state of our country. There absolutely nothing wrong with intelligent dialogue on matters such as this. It's called freedom of speech. Sorry you don't see it that way.
  • Billyk75 2012/07/22 18:20:04
    What kind of stupid question is this?
    Billyk75
    +2
    What religion is the current POTUS?
  • Gracie - Proud Conservative 2012/07/22 18:16:40
    What kind of stupid question is this?
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +2
    I consider them Christians, but if he wasn't, Obama is the first non-Christian.
  • Jasmine Gracie ... 2012/07/22 19:13:30
    Jasmine
    Not all Mormons consider themselves Christians, fyi. And not all Christians consider them Christian.

    As far as the first non-Christian President - that would be Thomas Jefferson. He was a Deist.

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