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If Mitt Romney wins, the middle class loses

Mopeder 2012/06/10 21:35:38
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  • M A 2012/06/11 02:51:07
    M A
    Wont be a middle class left by then
  • Jorge Enriquez 2012/06/11 01:58:13
    Jorge Enriquez
    +2
    Always the middle class LOST
  • Mr. Smith 2012/06/11 01:49:27
    Mr. Smith
    +2
    Since Obama won, nobody has won......it's been a losing battle for American's for 3.5 years. If Mitt wins, the American people will finally have a chance to win!
  • FRED Mr. Smith 2012/06/11 06:42:59
    FRED
    It is truly incredible how the right has lost all common sense.
    It boggles the mind trying to comprehend how, mainly Republicans, can believe this administration, which inherited the WORST ECONOMIC CRISIS SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION, is such a so-called “failure” in their minds, despite 27 straight months of private sector “job creation”, and albeit slow but significant economic recovery given the fact of a global financial crisis, BUT… give a TOTAL PASS to the administration which inherited the BEST ECONOMY EVER and left it in MASSIVE ECONOMIC SHAMBLES !!
    There is no rhyme, reason or common sense – to give the keys to your house AND a book of matches – to the same people who Burned It Down In the First Place !!
  • Mr. Smith FRED 2012/06/11 16:47:25
    Mr. Smith
    It seems you've bought into the left-wing narrative of GOP = bad, Democrats = good, and that the 90's were a golden age under Clinton while the Bush years have been a disaster. The chart below tells the real story, that Bush inherited a recession and the Bush tax cuts actually brought about a real recovery.



    The dot-com bubble had burst in 2000 (under Clinton), and the economy was sinking even before 9/11, the corporate scandals, and Sarbanes-Oxley. Bush's original tax-cut proposal was designed in part as insurance against such a downturn. But instead of getting his tax cut when we needed it the most, to win over Senate Democrats, Bush phased in the tax rate reductions and settled for politically popular, but economically anemic, tax rebate checks. Those checks provided a short-term lift to consumer spending but no real boost to risk-taking or business investment, which was still recovering from the dot-com implosion.

    By late 2002, the economy was still struggling to recover, which is when Bush proposed his second round of tax cuts. This time, the tax rate reductions were immediate, and they included cuts in capital gains and dividends designed to spur business incentives. As the tax cuts became law in late May 2003, the recovery began. Growth averaged nearly 4% over the n...









    It seems you've bought into the left-wing narrative of GOP = bad, Democrats = good, and that the 90's were a golden age under Clinton while the Bush years have been a disaster. The chart below tells the real story, that Bush inherited a recession and the Bush tax cuts actually brought about a real recovery.

    real story bush inherited recession bush tax cuts real recovery

    The dot-com bubble had burst in 2000 (under Clinton), and the economy was sinking even before 9/11, the corporate scandals, and Sarbanes-Oxley. Bush's original tax-cut proposal was designed in part as insurance against such a downturn. But instead of getting his tax cut when we needed it the most, to win over Senate Democrats, Bush phased in the tax rate reductions and settled for politically popular, but economically anemic, tax rebate checks. Those checks provided a short-term lift to consumer spending but no real boost to risk-taking or business investment, which was still recovering from the dot-com implosion.

    By late 2002, the economy was still struggling to recover, which is when Bush proposed his second round of tax cuts. This time, the tax rate reductions were immediate, and they included cuts in capital gains and dividends designed to spur business incentives. As the tax cuts became law in late May 2003, the recovery began. Growth averaged nearly 4% over the next three years, the unemployment rate fell from 6.3% in June '03 to 4.4% in October '06, and real wages began to grow despite rising food and energy prices. The 2003 tax cut was the high point of Bush economic policy. As the chart below shows the 10 year unemployment figures from 1997 to 2007, you can see clearly that Bush inherited the Clinton recession and that the Bush tax cuts brought unemployment down.

    1997 2007 bush inherited clinton recession bush tax cuts unemployment

    So what lead to the economic crisis in 2008? While Bush was putting his tax cuts into effect in 2003 and seeing success, the Federal Reserve was pushing the monetary accelerator to the floor. In reaction to the dot-com implosion and the collapse in business investment, Alan Greenspan rapidly cut interest rates to spur housing and consumer spending. In June 2003, even as the tax cuts were passing and the economy took off, he cut the fed funds rate to 1% and kept it there for a year.

    The money boom created a commodity price spike as well as a subsidy for credit across the economy. By pushing all of this excess credit into the economy, the Fed created a housing and mortgage mania that Wall Street was only too happy to be part of. Yes, many on the Street abandoned their normal risk standards. But they were goaded by an enormous subsidy for debt, along with Fannie and Freddie underwriting and buying loans that never should have been underwritten to begin with. Wall Street did feast at the public trough, but Washington and the Fed set the table and rang the dinner bell.

    But it wasn't JUST Wall Street or JUST Bush, it was across the board: from homebuyers who put nothing down for a loan, to a White House that bragged about record home ownership, to the Democrats who promoted and protected Fannie and Freddie. Nobody wanted the party to end, but it had to.

    The real culprit for the 2008 housing crisis was primarily the Fed's throttling of their monetary policy coupled with loose lending practices cheer-leaded by Fannie and Freddie. This history is crucial to understand. Bush did many things right after inheriting one bubble. But was ruined by monetary excess that created a second, more dangerous credit crisis. Bush forgot one of the main lessons of Reaganomics, which is the importance of stable money.
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  • zapped 2012/06/11 01:32:03
    zapped
    +2
    I'm not 100% sold on MITT ,,,but obunghole HAS TO GO !

    and if it's not mitt then RON PAUL ..... BUT OBUNGHOLE HAS TO GO !

    not for my sake but for my kids & grand kids ,,,and all the sane folks 's grand kids !
  • mightymouse49 2012/06/11 01:31:52
    mightymouse49
    +2
    How can you post a question and end up being the top opinion too? Must be some of that liberal 'know how'...aye Mopeder. Remember now, we're friends. Are there really any middle class liberals? I mean that didn't get there (in the numbers) by either tap dancing or chasing ambulances? Romney is a proven business man. He does understand capitalism. Capitalism generates a middle class. The rich people can't depend on you liberals to shine their shoes....now can they?
  • zapped mightym... 2012/06/11 01:35:43
    zapped
    +2
    that makes sense ...and socialism doesnt get the country going either ,, then I'm an independent thinker ...but good comment !
  • mightym... zapped 2012/06/11 01:57:52
    mightymouse49
    +1
    Capitalism is the engine that drove the American economy from our 'slavery' days under Britain until it was hijacked by the socialists after ww11 and became a 'socialist creature' called crony capitalism. Crony capitalism is where the government is in bed with the major corporations (money) and we the people are in bed with the 'dreams of our forefathers'. HELLO WE BEEN HAD.
  • zapped mightym... 2012/06/11 18:18:49
    zapped
    +1
    true statement ,,,!
  • apachehellfire65 2012/06/11 01:01:43
    apachehellfire65
    +4
    no if mitt wins EVERYONE wins! if mitt loses EVERYONE loses.
  • voice_matters 2012/06/11 00:59:32
    voice_matters
    +2
    wow another lib unable to understand that higher taxes hurts the middle class. but feel free to tell me how does increased taxes helps the middle class
  • sbtbill 2012/06/11 00:54:37
    sbtbill
    +2
    If Mitt wins almost everybody loses.
  • Christopher Kirchen 2012/06/11 00:34:31
    Christopher Kirchen
    +6
    That's what all lib losers claim. What a dink you are.
  • Steve Christo... 2012/06/11 00:38:06
    Steve
    Insults are inappropriate here.
  • Christo... Steve 2012/06/11 00:41:05
    Christopher Kirchen
    +4
    I'll decide what's appropriate for me to say, thanks.
  • prayer ... Christo... 2012/06/11 00:59:24
    prayer warrior
    Have you investigated what Romney said and did ?
  • prankster 2012/06/11 00:26:43
    prankster
    +4
    Obamacare's costs "will increase premiums in fully insured coverage markets by an average of 1.9% to 2.3% in 2014. bY 2023, the fees will ultimately increase premiums by an average of 2.8% to 3.7%. For small group coverage, this well on average increase the cost to cover an individual by about $2,800, and a family by about $6,800 over a 10-year period, beginning in 2014. . . .and that is just the cost of that legislation not normal increases because of the cost of doing business. . .that is just what the middle class needs right? No no no we need green jobs and $3.62 a gallon gas . . .no no wait an 8 % unemployment rate, crap the U6 is around 15%. . . I know the EPA will help us right . . after all Obama is creating all these green jobs . . .the utility MACT and other new rules will in effect cost up to 183,000 jobs from 2012-2020. By 2020, 1.4 million jobs could be lost on account of the ne EPA rules . . .yeah that's helping the middle class. . .higher energy, higher unemployment, and if he does not get of his but higher taxes . . .everyone got a cut with the Bush tax cuts . . .look up the IRS data and it's easy to see . . .but those will expire soon . . . the typical middle-income family with a median income of $63,366, would see its federal income taxes go up by $1,540 if ...
    Obamacare's costs "will increase premiums in fully insured coverage markets by an average of 1.9% to 2.3% in 2014. bY 2023, the fees will ultimately increase premiums by an average of 2.8% to 3.7%. For small group coverage, this well on average increase the cost to cover an individual by about $2,800, and a family by about $6,800 over a 10-year period, beginning in 2014. . . .and that is just the cost of that legislation not normal increases because of the cost of doing business. . .that is just what the middle class needs right? No no no we need green jobs and $3.62 a gallon gas . . .no no wait an 8 % unemployment rate, crap the U6 is around 15%. . . I know the EPA will help us right . . after all Obama is creating all these green jobs . . .the utility MACT and other new rules will in effect cost up to 183,000 jobs from 2012-2020. By 2020, 1.4 million jobs could be lost on account of the ne EPA rules . . .yeah that's helping the middle class. . .higher energy, higher unemployment, and if he does not get of his but higher taxes . . .everyone got a cut with the Bush tax cuts . . .look up the IRS data and it's easy to see . . .but those will expire soon . . . the typical middle-income family with a median income of $63,366, would see its federal income taxes go up by $1,540 if the Bush tax cuts are allowed to expire. . .oops I am sure that helps said middle class as well . . .The average-middle income family in Alaska, which has a median income of $79,541, would pay nearly $2,000 more in federal income taxes in 2011 if the tax cuts expire. By contrast, the typical family in West Virginia, with a median income of $49,082, would pay about $1,300 more . . .are you feeling me middle class . . .sources tonumerous to mention . . . http://www.ncpa.org/, http://taxfoundation.org/. . . .etc, etc . . .but hey you get a free commerative mug and your picture with an Obama cut out at the next inaguaration . . .along with a very very large tube of KY jelly
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  • sbtbill prankster 2012/06/11 01:00:59
    sbtbill
    +1
    The point your missing is that Obama and the Democrats want to keep the middle income tax cuts. They are also responsible for the payroll tax cut. The House is saying keep all the cuts or none. So if your taxes go up blame Bohner and Ryan. As to Mitt he wants to reform taxes so that middle and lower income people pay more and the rich pay less. Keep in mind that the only way to increase taxes on the lower 50% which so many of you righties seem to want to do is to significantly increase taxes on the middle class. That because we all pay the same rate on the first 30,000 so if you up the the taxes on that income it affects you more the less you make.
  • KingdomNow sbtbill 2012/06/11 03:25:10
    KingdomNow
    You do mean the Bush Tax Cuts that have saved the economy.

    What you Libtards refuse to understand is that cutting spending, eliminating entitlements and anti-business regulations, and reducing the size & scope of government are the only ways to return America onto the road to recovery.

    All you want is tax, tax tax, as if any government has ever spent its way to prosperity.

    The problem is the government.
  • sbtbill KingdomNow 2012/06/11 08:13:53
    sbtbill
    +1
    The Bush tax cuts combined with the wars were bad for the economy. Right now raising the tax rate for those making under $100,000 would be a bad thing. It probably is best to keep the rates as is for people making under a million. Since you righties want to cut some much raise them for people making more then a million.

    Every time spending has been cut in a recession it has become a depression. Cutting spending now will put us int o a depression once again. The US government spent its way to prosperity under FDR and again under Ronald Reagan. We should follow their example and get out of this recession. Let's not follow Hoovers and get into a depression.
  • Dan™: Real Change, Not Fals... 2012/06/11 00:17:08 (edited)
    Dan™: Real Change, Not False Hope
    +5
    I guess you don't realize that "Donnie" in this video worked for GST Steel. You probably also don't realize that GST Steel declared bankruptcy years after Romney had already left Bain Capital. And finally, you probably also don't realize that GST Steel was driven out of business by a flood of cheap steel imports that they couldn't match in price.

    The whole Romney/GST Steel storyline has long since been discredited. Try again.
  • EdVenture Dan™: R... 2012/06/11 02:21:22
    EdVenture
    +2
    Wasn't nice of Reagan to authorize the sale of Bethlehem Steel to the Germans and Chinese. I mention that because thats whats going on with all our industries and we are becoming dependent.
  • Sinpac EdVenture 2012/06/11 02:34:45
    Sinpac
    +2
    Thanks Reagan! and thanks for the 11 tax increases and thanks for taking us from a industrial super power to a service originated country. Super size that?
  • EdVenture Sinpac 2012/06/11 03:03:55
    EdVenture
    +1
    You can add, thanks for deregulating the banks and the collapse of the FDIC followed by the bank bail-out of his tenure.
  • chgo 2012/06/11 00:05:18
    chgo
    +3
    Damn proud to not be a republican.
  • LOU chgo 2012/06/11 02:28:16
  • chgo LOU 2012/06/11 02:50:09
    chgo
    yuck!
  • AL LOU 2012/06/11 03:00:46
    AL
    I told Obama to quit eating dog meat!
  • Cliff 2012/06/10 23:47:37
    Cliff
    +6
    If Mitt Romney loses, the middle class will soon cease to exist.
  • JeffZill Cliff 2012/06/11 00:07:12
  • EdVenture Cliff 2012/06/11 03:06:47
    EdVenture
    +2
    Mitt represents ... self-serving greed on wheels.
  • Lady Wh... EdVenture 2012/06/11 09:44:35
  • Rebel Yell 2012/06/10 23:36:09
    Rebel Yell
    +5
    "I can't possibly predict precisely what the unemployment rate will be at the end of one year," the Republican nominee said when asked how much his policies would affect the stubbornly high jobless rate by the end of 2013.

    "I can tell you that over a period of four years, by virtue of the policies that we put in place, we get the unemployment rate down to six percent or perhaps a little lower," said Romney.

    "It depends in part upon the rate of growth of the globe, as well as what we're seeing here in the United States and,......"

    Get it? That's the Romney platform .... " I can't predict" and " I can't tell you" and " It depends in part"......

    ROMNEY HAS NO FREAKING PLAN! Willard knows good and well the CBO has already predicted it will take about 4 years to get to 6 %.
  • JeffZill Rebel Yell 2012/06/11 00:09:44
    JeffZill
    +1
    funny obama promised the same thing and the unemployment rate rose, so what's your point obama said it wouldn't reach 8 percent or something and romney is saying he'll lower it, both are trying to get elected.
  • Rebel Yell JeffZill 2012/06/11 01:24:00
    Rebel Yell
    +4
    The only Romney 'jobs' plan is what he told Otterbein University students April 27, 2012 in Westerville, Ohio:

    "Take a risk. Borrow money, from your parents if you have to, go start a business."

    There you have it !! Romney's 'Do-It-Yourself' job plan? See how easy it is? Gee, thanks for that, Mitt. And if you need help, see Mitt. Any small change you make , he can "invest it" for you. Really.
  • Sinpac Rebel Yell 2012/06/11 02:37:46
    Sinpac
    Nice!
  • Lady Wh... Rebel Yell 2012/06/11 09:44:57
    Lady Whitewolf
    LOLZ!
  • dubbie 2012/06/10 23:26:47
    dubbie
    +6
    Take a reality vacation libbys, Drive thru Wisconsin , Obama aint winning jack
  • Mopeder dubbie 2012/06/12 19:50:32
    Mopeder
    Scared you are wrong? The Repubfascists are getting nervous.

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