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If it is established beyond reasonable doubt that Barack Obama is a foreign national with a fake birth certificate who infiltrated our nation's security at the highest level of government, should he get a lengthy prison sentence, or be executed as a spy?

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  • Rich Ma... Steve 2012/06/10 16:04:59
  • tncdel Steve 2012/06/10 22:42:57
    tncdel
    Nope. It's called being knowledgable, such as about the fact that Hawaiian law allowed a baby born in Kenya to be reported as a Hawaiian birth. Acquaint yourself with Hawaiian law on the subject before flaunting your ignorance.
  • Steve tncdel 2012/06/11 00:35:25
    Steve
    Current Hawaiian law does permit a foreign-born child, such as an adoptee, to be issued a state birth certificate. But those give place of birth as the foreign country. Obama's states he was born in the city of Honolulu.
  • bill 2012/06/10 14:55:27
    He should be executed as a spy [tell us why].
    bill
    +5
    CIA book review. For the historical record...

    As President George W. Bush's top speechwriter, Marc Thiessen was provided unique access to the CIA program used in interrogating top Al Qaeda terrorists, including the mastermind of the 9/11 attack, Khalid Sheikh Mohammad (KSM).

    Now, his riveting new book, "Courting Disaster", How the CIA Kept America Safe (Regnery), has been published.

    Here is an excerpt from "Courting Disaster":

    "Just before dawn on March 1, 2003, two dozen heavily armed Pakistani tactical assault forces move in and surround a safe house in Rawalpindi . A few hours earlier they had received a text message from an informant inside the house. It read: "I am withKSM."

    Bursting in, they find the disheveled mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, in his bedroom. He is taken into custody. In the safe house, they find a treasure trove of computers, documents, cell phones and other valuable "pocket litter."

    Once in custody, KSM is defiant. He refuses to answer questions, informing his captors that he will tell them everything when he gets to America and sees his lawyer. But KSM is not taken to America to see a lawyer Instead he is taken to a secret CIA "black site" in an undisclosed location.

    Upon arrival, KSM finds himself in the com...































































    CIA book review. For the historical record...

    As President George W. Bush's top speechwriter, Marc Thiessen was provided unique access to the CIA program used in interrogating top Al Qaeda terrorists, including the mastermind of the 9/11 attack, Khalid Sheikh Mohammad (KSM).

    Now, his riveting new book, "Courting Disaster", How the CIA Kept America Safe (Regnery), has been published.

    Here is an excerpt from "Courting Disaster":

    "Just before dawn on March 1, 2003, two dozen heavily armed Pakistani tactical assault forces move in and surround a safe house in Rawalpindi . A few hours earlier they had received a text message from an informant inside the house. It read: "I am withKSM."

    Bursting in, they find the disheveled mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, in his bedroom. He is taken into custody. In the safe house, they find a treasure trove of computers, documents, cell phones and other valuable "pocket litter."

    Once in custody, KSM is defiant. He refuses to answer questions, informing his captors that he will tell them everything when he gets to America and sees his lawyer. But KSM is not taken to America to see a lawyer Instead he is taken to a secret CIA "black site" in an undisclosed location.

    Upon arrival, KSM finds himself in the complete control of Americans. He does not know where he is, how long he will be there, or what his fate will be.

    Despite his circumstances, KSM still refuses to talk. He spews contempt at his interrogators, telling them Americans are weak, lack resilience, and are unable to do what is necessary to prevent the terrorists from succeeding in their goals. He has trained to resist interrogation. When he is asked for information about future attacks, he tells his questioners scornfully: "Soon, you will know."

    It becomes clear he will not reveal the information using traditional interrogation techniques. So he undergoes a series of "enhanced interrogation techniques" approved for use only on the most high-value detainees. The techniques include waterboarding.

    His resistance is described by one senior American official as "superhuman." Eventually, however, the techniques work, and KSM becomes cooperative-for reasons that will be described later in this book.

    He begins telling his CIA de-briefers about active al Qaeda plots to launch attacks against the United States and other Western targets. He holds classes for CIA officials, using a chalkboard to draw a picture of al Qaeda's operating structure, financing, communications, and logistics. He identifies al Qaeda travel routes and safe havens, and helps intelligence officers make sense of documents and computer records seized in terrorist raids. He identifies voices in intercepted telephone calls, and helps officials understand the meaning of coded terrorist communications. He provides information that helps our intelligence community capture other high-ranking terrorists, KSM's questioning, and that of other captured terrorists, produces more than 6,000 intelligence reports, which are shared across the intelligence community, as well as with our allies across the world.

    In one of these reports, KSM describes in detail the revisions he made to his failed 1994-1995 plan known as the "Bojinka plot" to blow up a dozen airplanes carrying some 4,000 passengers over the Pacific Ocean.

    Years later, an observant CIA officer notices the activities of a cell being followed by British authorities appear to match KSM's description of his plans for aBojinka-style attack.

    In an operation that involves unprecedented intelligence cooperation between our countries, British officials proceed to unravel the plot.

    On the night of Aug. 9, 2006 they launch a series of raids in a northeast London suburb that lead to the arrest of two dozen al Qaeda terrorist suspects. They find a USB thumb-drive in the pocket of one of the men with security details for Heathrow airport, and information on seven trans-Atlantic flights that were scheduled to take off within hours of each other:

    * United Airlines Flight 931 to San Francisco departing at 2:15 p.m.;

    * Air Canada Flight 849 to Toronto departing at 3:00 p.m.;

    * Air Canada Flight 865 to Montreal departing at 3:15 p.m.;

    * United Airlines Flight 959 to Chicago departing at 3:40 p.m.;

    * United Airlines Flight 925 to Washington departing at 4:20 p.m.;

    * American Airlines Flight 131 to New York departing at 4:35 p.m.;

    * American Airlines Flight 91 to Chicago departing at 4:50 p.m.

    They seize bomb-making equipment and hydrogen peroxide to make liquid explosives. And they find the chilling martyrdom videos the suicide bombers had prepared."

    Today, if you asked an average person on the street what they know about the 2006 airlines plot, most would not be able to tell you much.

    Few Americans are aware of the fact al Qaeda had planned to mark the fifth anniversary of 9/11 with an attack of similar scope and magnitude.

    And still fewer realize the terrorists' true intentions in this plot were uncovered thanks to critical information obtained through the interrogation of the man who conceived it: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

    This is only one of the many attacks stopped with the help of the CIA interrogation program established by the Bush Administration in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

    Editor's Note: For other foiled terrorist plots, see page 9 of "Courting Disaster."

    In addition to helping break up these specific terrorist cells and plots, CIA questioning provided our intelligence community with an unparalleled body of information about al Qaeda Until the program was temporarily suspended in 2006, intelligence officials say, well over half of the information our government had about al Qaeda-how it operates, how it moves money, how it communicates, how it recruits operatives, how it picks targets, how it plans and carries out attacks-came from the interrogation of terrorists in CIA custody.

    Former CIA Director George Tenet has declared: "I know this program has saved lives. I know we've disrupted plots. I know this program alone is worth more than what the FBI, the Central Intelligence Agency, and the National Security Agency put together have been able to tell us."

    Former CIA Director Mike Hayden has said: "The facts of the case are that the use of these techniques against these terrorists made us safer. It really did work.."

    Even Barack Obama's Director of National Intelligence, Dennis Blair, has acknowledged: "High-value information came from interrogations in which those methods were used and provided a deeper understanding of the al Qaeda organization that was attacking this country."

    Leon Panetta, Obama's CIA Director, has said: "Important information was gathered from these detainees. It provided information that was acted upon."

    And John Brennan, Obama's Homeland Security Advisor, when asked in an interview if enhanced-interrogation techniques were necessary to keep America safe, replied : "Would the U.S. be handicapped if the CIA was not, in fact, able to carry out these types of detention and debriefing activities? I would say yes."

    On Jan. 22, 2009, President Obama issued Executive Order 13491, closing the CIA program and directing that, henceforth, all interrogations by U.S. personnel must follow the techniques contained in the Army Field Manual.

    The morning of the announcement, Mike Hayden was still in his post as CIA Director, He called White House Counsel Greg Craig and told him bluntly: "You didn't ask, but this is the CIA officially nonconcurring". The president went ahead anyway, over ruling the objections of the agency.

    A few months later, on April 16, 2009, President Obama ordered the release of four Justice Department memos that described in detail the techniques used to interrogate KSM and other high-value terrorists. This time, not just Hayden (who was now retired) but five CIA directors -including Obama's own director, Leon Panetta -- objected. George Tenet called to urge against the memos' release. So did Porter Goss. So did John Deutch. Hayden says: "You had CIA directors in a continuous unbroken stream to 1995 calling saying, 'Don't do this.'"

    In addition to objections from the men who led the agency for a collective 14 years, the President also heard objections from the agency's covert field operatives. A few weeks earlier, Panetta had arranged for the eight top officials of the Clandestine Service to meet with the President. It was highly unusual for these clandestine officers to visit the Oval Office, and they used the opportunity to warn the President that releasing the memos would put agency operatives at risk. The President reportedly listened respectfully-and then ignored their advice.

    With these actions, Barack Obama arguably did more damage to America's national security in his first 100 days of office than any President in American history.
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  • Striker 2012/06/10 14:26:08 (edited)
    He should be executed as a spy [tell us why].
    Striker
    +3
    For spying, I know not, but...
    Executed yes... For Treason, for Fraud upon the people, for false Oath of Office, and for denying our Right to Life by replacing that with Marx's "greater good".
  • tncdel Striker 2012/06/10 15:47:39
    tncdel
    +2
    A foreign national cannot be prosecuted for treason against our country.
  • Striker tncdel 2012/06/10 19:01:06
    Striker
    +2
    If so, what do you propose? Just let him escape?
  • Dagon Striker 2012/06/10 22:07:09
  • tncdel Striker 2012/06/10 22:45:36
    tncdel
    +1
    He can be prosecuted same as the Rosenbergs were, under espionage laws, p;us other federal law applicable, such as the RICO Act, which, among other things, allows prosecution for falsification of documents and an ongoing pattern of racketeering activity. Even federal judges have been prosecuted successfully under the RICO Act.
  • Striker tncdel 2012/06/10 22:54:42 (edited)
    Striker
    +1
    Well, it occurs to me Obama can escape arrest and prosecution by simply admitting that he is a foreign national. Whatta paradox!

    BTW federal judges are considered to be citizens.
  • Willy 2012/06/10 14:23:22
    He should be executed as a spy [tell us why].
    Willy
    +7
    He has done more damage to the country than all the other presidents put together, including Jimmy Peanut Carter.
  • jackolantyrn356 2012/06/10 14:22:17
    He should be executed as a spy [tell us why].
    jackolantyrn356
    +7
    Mochelle needs some jail time since she seems to be part of it all. The kids can go back to the Actors rental agency I guess. Whatever leads that need investigagtion need to be pursued. All acts, laws and legslation enacted during his illegal reign must be null and void immediately.
  • Crankney - PKM 2012/06/10 14:21:06
    He should be executed as a spy [tell us why].
    Crankney - PKM
    +6
    He has damaged our country in worse ways than any spy could.
  • chicago Crankne... 2012/06/11 01:27:36
    chicago
    +1
    Militant homosexuals, pushing their extremist agenda to change U.S. currency by putting Al Gore, Michael Moore and Keith Olbermann on the $1, $5 and $14 dollar bills, add those up and what do you get? 20! The same day of the month that Hitler was born!
  • Flash,aka,Mr.Lightning 2012/06/10 14:20:01 (edited)
    He should get a lengthy prison sentence [explain why].
    Flash,aka,Mr.Lightning
    +6
    He should get LIFE in Gittmo and all those involved in the usurping as well. Specific acts of treason if confirmed should get the penalty for such.
    obama behind bars
  • Steve King 2012/06/10 14:14:38
    He should be executed as a spy [tell us why].
    Steve King
    +3
    But it won't matter because the USA will be in a Constitutional crisis, our monetary system will be completely devalued, Joe Biden will be in charge and hand over everything to the UN, which will mean that our system of government will be in question and the oversight of the UN, martial law will be in place, as International diplomats will running things until a new system of government is in place. With that being said, Barack Obama will be a free man, possibly reinstated to his position on an interim basis, until a new "one man one vote" system of elections is in place.
  • Energene 2012/06/10 14:12:15
    He should be executed as a spy [tell us why].
    Energene
    +4
    He ranks as a spy because he has undermined our national security by making future promises to the Russian leader, by undermining friendly middle eastern governments that will now be Muslim brotherhood. He has actively sought to destroy capitalism, employment, economic growth and governmental fiscal responsibility all of which contribute to our prosperity.
  • mich52 2012/06/10 14:08:45
    He should get a lengthy prison sentence [explain why].
    mich52
    But of course he's not. Only ignorant, racist birthers still believe this crap and always wil...
  • Rich Ma... mich52 2012/06/10 15:15:05
    Rich Matarese
    +5
    If it is established beyond all reasonable doubt that your beloved Magical Mystery Mulatto is a foreign national (as discussed above), then the only "believe" in this matter is on the part of those who hold that "he's not."

    Sucks to be you, don't it?
  • mich52 Rich Ma... 2012/06/11 16:07:04
    mich52
    It sucks being an ignorant pos racist..
  • tncdel mich52 2012/06/10 15:51:29
    tncdel
    +4
    You didn't answer the question. If he is found guilty of that beyond reasonable doubt, that even kool-aid addicts like yourself are forced to accept the truth, then your comment about is a moot point.

    If you're able to face the truth and can follow simple instructions, just prove it for yourself by following the simple instructions given by this video:

  • mich52 tncdel 2012/06/11 16:07:37
    mich52
    Who's going to find him guilty stupid?
  • relic 2012/06/10 14:07:24
    He should be executed as a spy [tell us why].
    relic
    +7
    The Muslim tradition of beheading would be my choice.
  • chicago 2012/06/10 14:03:36
    He should be executed as a spy [tell us why].
    chicago
    +4
    Obama, and his Kenyan overlords, are about to realize their New World Order dream to euthanize their dissidents just like Franklin Roosevelt did to the Confederates at Little Big Horn!
  • Willy chicago 2012/06/10 14:26:53
    Willy
    +2
    Are you sure, you got the right Roosevelt?
  • chicago Willy 2012/06/10 14:40:09
    chicago
    Godless socialists are plotting with eugenicists to hack into your facebook account and send penile enlargement adds to all of your friends!!
  • Rich Ma... chicago 2012/06/10 15:16:14
    Rich Matarese
    +2
    Hah! Lotta good that'll do 'em. I keep getting told I'm ALREADY the biggest dick on Facebook.
  • tncdel chicago 2012/06/10 15:52:46
    tncdel
    +1
    ????? You've got your times and places in history mixed up. :)~
  • chicago tncdel 2012/06/10 21:09:40
    chicago
    +1
    We are under siege by totalitarian liberals meeting behind closed doors to do exactly what Hitler wrote about in the little red book! They're all connected! Liberals, Nazis, Kevin Bacon, EVERYBODY!!
  • Diane Spraggs Yates 2012/06/10 13:56:08
    He should get a lengthy prison sentence [explain why].
    Diane Spraggs Yates
    +6
    I think who did not vette him should do time too !!!!
  • tncdel Diane S... 2012/06/10 15:53:56
    tncdel
    +2
    That includes Condoleeza Rice, who at the time as Secretary of State had the duty to vette presidential candidates.
  • Diane S... tncdel 2012/06/10 15:59:23
    Diane Spraggs Yates
    Do you think race had anything to do with that ?
  • Rich Ma... Diane S... 2012/06/10 16:28:18
    Rich Matarese
    +1
    More like the fact that Condoleeza Rice is a Republican.

    ============
    "If there were a generic one-word expression for 'one whose fear of the uncertainties of success moves him to surrender at the very moment of victory', it would be 'Republican'."

    -- L. Neil Smith
  • lark 2012/06/10 13:48:15
    He should get a lengthy prison sentence [explain why].
    lark
    +4
    The true born Americans that helped him get into office should be executed. He should serve his sentence in Gitmo
  • SteveMarine- JLA 2012/06/10 13:45:21 (edited)
    He should be executed as a spy [tell us why].
    SteveMarine- JLA
    +10
    Personally I believe this is a serious capital crime..now had he done all of this....and actually done great things while being in office I would say give him a break and give him a lesser sentence...how ever he has not done anything great....instead he has ignored our constitution...he has turned our military into trash....he has lied and lied....allowed Mexicans to over run Arizona and other areas....he actually filed law suits against states wanting to pass laws to get rid of the Mexicans..... This so called president....only wanted a free ride....security....and power....and he has abused his power for long enough....the man is a utter disgrace to us all....the way he presents him self is just a disgrace.... His family is a disgrace...so I say.....should he be found guilty... Of these crimes....yes hang him...or death by firing squad..you know they used to hang people just for stealing a damn horse....and crime was taken more serious back then.... perhaps we should re think how criminals are handled these days
  • robinswebnest 2012/06/10 13:43:45
    He should get a lengthy prison sentence [explain why].
    robinswebnest
    +7
    I have posted so much and read so much on this subject that I just find I am tired of it all. He should go to Gitmo....remember his promise to close it in....mmm what was it, 18 months? Or was that the amount of time he said it would take to get out of Iraq? Doesn't matter, he not only has not kept his promises, he has raised our debt to uncontrollable heights, he has bribed enough people to pass the most unpopular legislation in our history (ie obamacare), He and his admin dog Holder have actually had the nerve to sue states for doing the job they are supposed to be doing. He is also trying to stop Florida from 'culling' the voters registration of illegals....omg what a shock...The list goes on and on and on. He does not have enough years left to pay for his crimes.
  • Pedalpusher 2012/06/10 13:40:46
    He should be executed as a spy [tell us why].
    Pedalpusher
    +6
    Because if he's not executed then he still had the knowledge of all our nation's security! And it's not just him, it's all his close comrads! Since that won't happen, and the other countries probably already now know everything any way, we would first have to void all he did in office and then have to change things in our nations security that would again protect us!
  • Elaine Magliacane 2012/06/10 13:31:55
    He should be executed as a spy [tell us why].
    Elaine Magliacane
    +5
    That the penalty to TREASON is it not?
  • Rich Ma... Elaine ... 2012/06/10 15:21:13
    Rich Matarese
    +2
    No argument.

    But to what extent is there incontrovertable proof that our Illegal-Alien-in-Chief has (yet) committed treason?

    Personally, I'd like to see him a live laundry worker in some federal penitentiary until he dies many years from now. Death by lethal injection would just make him a martyr to the "Liberals."
  • tncdel Rich Ma... 2012/06/10 15:55:53
    tncdel
    +3
    Although he, as a foreign national, cannot be prosecuted for treason against our country, he can be executed by law same as were the Rosenbergs. See:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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