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If Hillary Clinton won the Democratic nomination and Barack Obama decided to run in the general election as independent, how would you vote if you could choose for or against any candidate?

TechnoZeus May 02, 2008 10:00:41

2008. Four polls to demonstrate balanced plurality voting vs. traditional plurality voting systems.

Please vote in all 4 polls and compare the results later.
http://www.sodahead.com/poll/82262/
http://www.sodahead.com/poll/82264/
http://www.sodahead.com/poll/82257/
http://www.sodahead.com/poll/82260/

Subtract the votes AGAINST a candidate from the votes FOR the candidate for net results. The highest net vote count wins.
+ Vote for Barack Obama (independent) +

+ Vote for Barack Obama (independent) +

35%

44 votes

+ Vote for Hillary Clinton (Democratic) +

+ Vote for Hillary Clinton (Democratic) +

32%

41 votes

- Vote against Hillary Clinton (Democratic) -

- Vote against Hillary Clinton (Democratic) -

16%

20 votes

+ Vote for John McCain (Republican) +

+ Vote for John McCain (Republican) +

6%

7 votes

- Vote against John McCain (Republican) -

- Vote against John McCain (Republican) -

4%

5 votes

- Vote against Barack Obama (independent) -

- Vote against Barack Obama (independent) -

4%

5 votes

+ Write in a vote for someone (Please leave a comment saying who you would vote for) +

+ Write in a vote for someone (Please leave a comment saying who you would vote for) +

2%

3 votes

Undecided

Undecided

1%

1 vote

None of the above

1%

1 vote

- Write in a vote against someone (Please leave a comment saying who you would vote against) -

- Write in a vote against someone (Please leave a comment saying who you would vote against) -

0%

0 votes

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  • +4 / -1 raves Chelsea May 09, 2008 14:15:40
    Chelsea

    + Vote for Barack Obama (independent) +

    He's the future of our nation, and other politicains to follow will have the people as their first priority. He's setting the bar for power to the people.
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  • Marky July 26, 2008 02:33:15
    Marky

    + Vote for Hillary Clinton (Democratic) +

    She's experienced, intelligent, a strong willed person, lived in the White House, and believes in equality of all people.

    Marky :o)
  • +1 raves
    TechnoZeus Marky July 26, 2008 05:05:18
    TechnoZeus
    Thanks for the vote, and the comment...

    ---

    Here are the results of this poll at this time...


    40.5 Net Votes for Barack Obama (independent) (45.5 - 5 = 40.5) (including 1.5 write-in votes)

    21 Net Votes for Hillary Clinton (Democratic) (41 - 20 = 21)

    2 Net Votes for John McCain (Republican) (7 - 5 = 2)

    1 Write-in Vote for Kat Swift

    0.5 Write-in Votes for Ron Paul


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    The corresponding poll without the negative vote option, at...

    http://sodahead.com/poll/82262

    has the following results so far...


    62 Votes for Barack Obama (independent)

    37 Votes for Hillary Clinton (Democratic)

    8 Votes for John McCain (Republican)

    1 Write-in Vote for Ron Paul

    1 Write-in Vote for Kat Swift

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  • NZArkie08: In God We Trust. June 26, 2008 13:03:09
    NZArkie08:  In God We Trust.

    + Vote for Hillary Clinton (Democratic) +

    This is how I would vote if the election was held today.
  • TechnoZeus NZArkie... June 26, 2008 19:48:27
    TechnoZeus
    Up to you, but there is a better choice. :)

  • NurseyPaola June 11, 2008 06:16:03
    NurseyPaola

    + Vote for Barack Obama (independent) +

    I have and still will stand behind Obama and vote for him no matter what!
  • TechnoZeus NurseyP... June 26, 2008 19:47:48
    TechnoZeus
    Cool. Thanks for the vote, and the comment.

  • Diane June 05, 2008 12:21:09
    Diane

    + Vote for Hillary Clinton (Democratic) +

    No Obama....


    http://gretawire.foxnews.com/...
    Obama supporters....

    Michelle Obama spoke at the Women’s Event, but referenced Bill
    Clinton in her rant — his presence at the conference was the
    impetus for her raving, it seems.

    For about 30 minutes, Michelle Obama launched into a rant about the
    evils of America, and how America is to blame for the problems of
    Africa. Michelle personally blamed President Clinton for the deaths
    of millions of Africans and said America is responsible for the
    genocide of the Tutsis and other ethnic groups. She then launched
    into an attack on “whitey”, and talked about solutions to black
    on black crime in the realm of diverting those actions onto white
    America. Her rant was fueled by the crowd: they reacted strongly to
    what she said, so she got more passionate and enraged, and that’s
    when she completely loses it and says things that have made the
    mouths drop of everyone who’s seen this.

    read full post....

    http://rezkowatch.blogspot.co...
  • TechnoZeus Diane June 19, 2008 04:00:56
    TechnoZeus
    You get ahold of a piece of trash, and you spread it all over. Would it really hurt you to do some research first?
  • jallen0007 June 02, 2008 05:08:09
    jallen0007

    + Vote for Hillary Clinton (Democratic) +

    Why, because she is more of a middle ground between the extreme liberal and the extreme conservative....
  • Ky May 29, 2008 01:12:33 (edited)
    Ky

    + Vote for Hillary Clinton (Democratic) +

    To be honest I dont want Obama to be President not because he's black, but because he is muslim.Im sorry at this time I dont think hes the best choice but he seems like a nice guy.
  • Chelsea Ky June 10, 2008 04:05:21
    Chelsea
    Are youa moron, who told youhe is a muslim? Know what you are saying. Stop listening to idiots!!
  • TechnoZeus Ky June 19, 2008 04:08:20
    TechnoZeus
    Not sure what you have against Muslims, but don't you think if you are going to hold someone's religion against them you should at least find out what that person's religion is first? Seriously, if you look around.... there are as many people bashing him for not leaving the Christian church that they don't like as bashing him for supposedly being a Muslim... if not more.



    He was born to a father who was a non-practicing Muslim... In other words... His father, who left while he was very young, had once been a Muslim. Does this matter to you? It shouldn't.
  • frigger7 May 22, 2008 06:14:37
    frigger7

    - Vote against Barack Obama (independent) -

    he shows his ignorance by saying something as stupid as ill carry colorado or nevada all with hardly any delegate votes in a general election, kids dont vote in the fall, women and elderly do . dah its the economy and dah old people and women vote
  • TechnoZeus frigger7 May 22, 2008 07:17:46 (edited)
    TechnoZeus
    I haven't heard him say that, but he's been calling them better than the polls so far... much better.

    So are you trying to say that sexism will work against him?
  • +2 raves
    LionsPaw May 20, 2008 23:39:41
    LionsPaw

    + Vote for Barack Obama (independent) +

    Im wit OBAMA all the way baby!
  • -1 raves
    none May 20, 2008 17:23:44
    none

    + Vote for Hillary Clinton (Democratic) +

    is time for the white house to have 3 braines working hard this country this country is geting big -n- big evry day we need hilary clinton at the white house
  • +1 raves
    Chelsea none May 21, 2008 03:34:26 (edited)
    Chelsea
    If you want to be lied to more , vote for Hillary. That says a lot about your ability to think. Obama has not been proven to have lied in one instance. Hillary has been discredited over and over, but you probably don't know what discredited means. You should not vote, when Bill was almost impeached for lying, thats what the Clintons do, lie, your'e an idiot.
  • +1 / -1 raves
    Donald Harrison May 20, 2008 02:58:14
    Donald Harrison

    - Vote against Barack Obama (independent) -

    Only way to go.
  • +1 raves
    KARA~American Patriot May 19, 2008 03:01:17
    KARA~American Patriot

    + Vote for Hillary Clinton (Democratic) +

    Hillary Clinton is a genuine leader, a devoted humanitarian, and a seasoned candidate. She will make a great President.
  • +1 raves
    TechnoZeus KARA~Am... May 19, 2008 03:31:55
    TechnoZeus
    Hi KARA. Thanks for the vote, and the comment.
  • +1 / -1 raves
    Berlie May 18, 2008 23:55:56
    Berlie

    - Vote against Hillary Clinton (Democratic) -

    i will vote against Hillary cause her suppoerters don't want to come together to beat Mccain i will not vote for her i prefere Obama
  • +1 raves
    TechnoZeus Berlie May 19, 2008 00:09:11
    TechnoZeus
    Thanks Berlie. :)
  • +3 / -1 raves
    momofthree May 15, 2008 20:50:23
    momofthree

    + Vote for Hillary Clinton (Democratic) +

    Hillary is obviously the most qualified candidate and the most likely to support the needs of working class families. she has my vote all the way!
  • +1 / -1 raves
    TechnoZeus momofthree May 18, 2008 22:55:33 (edited)
    TechnoZeus
    Hillary considers herself to be part of the "working class" so if you have an income anywhere near hers, then I suppose you'll do alright with her in charge. As for me, I'm going with someone who understands what life is like for the rest of us. Anyway, thanks for your vote.

    Here are the results of this poll so far...

    (Including 1 split write-in vote between Barack Obama and Ron Paul)

    37.5 net votes for Barack Obama (39 ballot + 1.5 write-in - 3 = 37.5)

    11 net votes for Hillary Clinton (30 - 19 = 11)

    2 net votes for John McCain (6 - 4 = 2)

    1 write-in vote for Kat Swift

    1 Undecided (without a write-in)

    1 None of the above (without a write-in)

    0.5 write-in votes for Ron Paul

    ~7pm, May 18th, 2008
  • +2 raves
    marthaw TechnoZeus May 20, 2008 04:46:50
    marthaw
    Do you really think Obama knows " what life is like for the rest of us" ?
  • +1 raves
    TechnoZeus marthaw May 21, 2008 11:03:50
    TechnoZeus
    Yes, he actually does. Unlike Hillary Clinton, he's been there.
  • +1 raves
    marthaw TechnoZeus May 21, 2008 19:26:35
    marthaw
    I think you are wrong- Of course it depends what do you mean by " he's been there"
  • TechnoZeus marthaw May 22, 2008 06:07:40
    TechnoZeus
    Well, he was born in Hawaii and has lived there enough years to have learned the cultures. I've lived there' so I can tell you first hand that just that experience alone brings quite a variety of cultural experience to a person. Not in any particular order here... He has also lived in Indonesia in a poor neighborhood. He was raised poor. His father left the country when he was very young. His mother remarried. He lived with his grandparents while he waited for his mother to come back the the United States. He worked his way up, graduated top of his class in college, was president of the Harvard Law Review, fought for people's rights as an attorney, taught Constitutional Law, worked as a community organizer, a state senator, and a U.S. senator... he's been through an awful lot. Sure, he hasn't been in every possible situation, but he's been through enough to have a good idea what life is like for people in a very wide range of circumstances.
  • +2 raves
    marthaw TechnoZeus May 22, 2008 14:52:17
    marthaw
    How did you like Hawaii by the way? I still disagree, of course we all have the freedom to form our opinions on any type of issues - I don't intend to convince you of anything - just listen to your intuition - Have a wonderful long weekend!
    Senator Obama lived in Indonesia from the ages of 6 to 10.
    Senator Obama attended prep schools and later on went to Harvard Law. His Grandparents were wealthy bankers and his Step-father was an Oil Executive. His mother was also a P.H.D
    From the ages of 2 – 6, Senator Obama was raised by his wealthy, grandparents. From the ages of 6 – 10, Senator Obama was raised by his mother and his step-father who was an Oil Executive in Indonesia; from the age of 10 until his early adulthood, Senator Obama was living again with his wealthy grandparents, one of which was the Vice President of the Bank of Hawaii. Senator Obama has attended prep schools like Occidental College, paid for by HIS FAMILY. He then went on to Harvard, the State Senate of Illinois, and the U.S. Senate.
    Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was privileged from the moment of his birth. Being born into the powerful tribe of the Luo, he was graced with an ‘upper class’ lifestyle. He later would go on to be ‘Big Man’ of the tribe and work as a Senior Economist in the Kenyan Government.
  • TechnoZeus marthaw May 22, 2008 19:11:51
    TechnoZeus
    Not all of your information is correct, but it is interesting and quite detailed. I'm not sure of all of the details but you have apparently mixed up some of the information about various peole. He did live in a poor neighborhood in Indonesia, and according to his book it was not immediately obvious to him how rough life was for other people there, so yes there is indication that his step-father was at the least not poor himself. However, it was life in this poor neighborhood, according to Barack Obama, that taught him to care about poor people in general. As a result, he passed up offers to work on Wall street for a lower paying job as a community organizer in Chicago so that he could do more good for people in need.

    Hawaii was ... interesting. It's rough living in Hawaii because the cost of living is (or at least was at that time) very high. Also, it is necessary to learn many cultures there in order to keep from inadvertently insulting someone. Simply not caring whether or not you insult someone really isn't an option when you're living on an island where you will run into them and their friends sooner or later and there's really nowhere to get away from them entirely. I actually got along quite well there, but at any given time I was usually either working at least two j...




    Not all of your information is correct, but it is interesting and quite detailed. I'm not sure of all of the details but you have apparently mixed up some of the information about various peole. He did live in a poor neighborhood in Indonesia, and according to his book it was not immediately obvious to him how rough life was for other people there, so yes there is indication that his step-father was at the least not poor himself. However, it was life in this poor neighborhood, according to Barack Obama, that taught him to care about poor people in general. As a result, he passed up offers to work on Wall street for a lower paying job as a community organizer in Chicago so that he could do more good for people in need.

    Hawaii was ... interesting. It's rough living in Hawaii because the cost of living is (or at least was at that time) very high. Also, it is necessary to learn many cultures there in order to keep from inadvertently insulting someone. Simply not caring whether or not you insult someone really isn't an option when you're living on an island where you will run into them and their friends sooner or later and there's really nowhere to get away from them entirely. I actually got along quite well there, but at any given time I was usually either working at least two jobs or looking for more work to make ends meet.

    Here's something "official" from his web site...
    http://www.barackobama.com/le...

    Perhaps that will help somewhat. It looks like the information you had was put together by someone playing on the "elitist" claims that have been thrown around by his competition lately... with the intention of making their claims appear to be valid.
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  • +1 raves
    marthaw TechnoZeus May 23, 2008 00:51:47
    marthaw
    Thank you for sharing your experiences in Hawaii. I was born and raised in Hungary - than in Germany - and traveled the world almost around - so I have an idea how is it to live and learn other languages and cultures - I do speak German, Hungarian, a little Spanish and a little Italian and of course English my all time favorite language.
    Anyhow- as I said I don't intend to convince you about Obama - I do not trust him and something about him makes me feel uncomfortable. He is not my choice for the next term that is for sure.
    I do wish you a wonderful evening and again..a great long weekend!!!
  • TechnoZeus marthaw May 23, 2008 02:52:57
    TechnoZeus
    I wish you well also. I would be more than happy to try to convince you that Barack Obama is the best choice... but not to argue with you about it. If you want to discuss why I think he is the best choice, I could go on for hours. He was my choice long before he started his campaign. On the other hand, if you would like to simply browse around his web site and see for yourself what it is that people like so much about him, feel free to do so... and if you would rather not know, that is your choice as well.
  • +1 raves
    marthaw TechnoZeus May 23, 2008 13:42:54
    marthaw
    Of course I have seen his website - but do you think that anyone would advertise anything negative about him there? I do not think so. I just can't trust this man.
    The other issue what bothers me is why is that people call themselves " African American" "Irish American" etc.? Since I took the Oath and became a US Citizen - I am an American - and I am proud of it and I am and always will be proud of my country - unlike Obama and his family and friends.

    Yes we make our choices and I am happy that we can do that freely! Take care!!! I'll see you around here.
  • +1 raves
    TechnoZeus marthaw May 24, 2008 02:37:41
    TechnoZeus
    You may not have noticed, but Barack Obama tried very hard to avoid discussion of such things as what race he was, because it was both irrelevant and an unnecessary distraction. Unfortunately he has been forced to address many irrelevant issues due to negative campaigning. That's why I suggested visiting his web site. If you want to learn what's good about a candidate, go to the source. If you want to learn what's bad about them, don't worry... someone out there will throw it in your face along with a slew of stuff that isn't true. If you want to know what the candidate has faced and disputed, again.... go to the source.

    I understand your lack of trust. Why should any of us trust someone we don't know? I know enough about John McCain to understand that he's not the monster that many people make him out to be, but also enough to know that I strongly disagree with him on the things that I think are most important. I know an awful lot about both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama because I researched both of them before going into their Senate offices in Washington D.C. years ago... and I have kept up since then because there were things I liked about both of them. As I have gotten to know them better, like most people (according to the polls), I have learned to like Hillary Clin...

    You may not have noticed, but Barack Obama tried very hard to avoid discussion of such things as what race he was, because it was both irrelevant and an unnecessary distraction. Unfortunately he has been forced to address many irrelevant issues due to negative campaigning. That's why I suggested visiting his web site. If you want to learn what's good about a candidate, go to the source. If you want to learn what's bad about them, don't worry... someone out there will throw it in your face along with a slew of stuff that isn't true. If you want to know what the candidate has faced and disputed, again.... go to the source.

    I understand your lack of trust. Why should any of us trust someone we don't know? I know enough about John McCain to understand that he's not the monster that many people make him out to be, but also enough to know that I strongly disagree with him on the things that I think are most important. I know an awful lot about both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama because I researched both of them before going into their Senate offices in Washington D.C. years ago... and I have kept up since then because there were things I liked about both of them. As I have gotten to know them better, like most people (according to the polls), I have learned to like Hillary Clinton much less and Barack Obama much more... but I have favored Barack Obama strongly since long before the campaigning started, not because of any negative talk about Hillary but because of the potential I see in Barack.

    You're right, by the way... being able to freely make our choices is very important. That's what the campaigning process is all about. That's why it is so important to look deeper than the rumors and look for both positive and negative in all candidates because it's bound to be there... but how much and in what forms is what makes each one unique.
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  • +3 / -2 raves
    rosey posey May 14, 2008 20:16:14
    rosey posey

    + Vote for Hillary Clinton (Democratic) +

    Hillary will win the Oval Office...she like cat that has 9 lives everyone counts her out but she keep bouncing back is that because of mishaps happening in like the one county of Indiana..last minute and unused ballots were in the counting room is that what took so long because they had to change for Obama only county that took toooo long to get their count in.
  • TechnoZeus rosey p... May 23, 2008 02:32:03
    TechnoZeus
    Like a cat? Yeah, but not because of nine lives... just self centered like most cats are.

    Oh, and the Oval office is not given out as a prize. I know she tried to take furniture from the White House but really... it's not stuff that they give away.
  • +2 / -2 raves
    cobbelstone May 11, 2008 19:38:24
    cobbelstone

    + Vote for Barack Obama (independent) +

    moderated...
  • +1 / -2 raves
    TechnoZeus cobbels... May 12, 2008 03:52:44
    TechnoZeus
    Thanks. :) Care to give your reasons?
  • +4 / -2 raves
    Toot May 11, 2008 01:04:54
    Toot

    + Vote for Hillary Clinton (Democratic) +

    Hillary all the way!!
  • +1 / -3 raves
    Jax° May 10, 2008 20:21:11
    Jax°

    + Vote for John McCain (Republican) +

    Hilary sucks
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