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If Hillary Clinton won the Democratic nomination and Barack Obama decided to run in the general election as independent, who would you vote for?

TechnoZeus May 02, 2008 09:47:51

2008. Four polls to demonstrate balanced plurality voting vs. traditional plurality voting systems.

Please vote in all 4 polls and compare the results later.
http://www.sodahead.com/poll/82260/
http://www.sodahead.com/poll/82262/
http://www.sodahead.com/poll/82264/
http://www.sodahead.com/poll/82257/
+ Vote for Barack Obama (independent)

+ Vote for Barack Obama (independent)

55%

62 votes

+ Vote for Hillary Clinton (Democratic)

+ Vote for Hillary Clinton (Democratic)

33%

37 votes

+ Vote for John McCain (Republican)

+ Vote for John McCain (Republican)

7%

8 votes

Undecided

Undecided

4%

4 votes

+ Write in a vote for someone (Please leave a comment saying who you would vote for)

+ Write in a vote for someone (Please leave a comment saying who you would vote for)

2%

2 votes

None of the above

0%

0 votes

Question Closed

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  • +10 / -1 raves ntech May 02, 2008 10:23:09
    ntech

    + Vote for Barack Obama (independent)

    Hands down. To vote otherwise would be a vote for a typical politician.

    Hey, but maybe Mr. Smiley if Obama were not running...
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  • Marky July 26, 2008 02:39:44
    Marky

    + Vote for Hillary Clinton (Democratic)

    Hillary's record as a senator has been exemplary. She is for the people, all the people especially the disinfranchised.

    Marky :o)
  • +1 raves
    TechnoZeus Marky July 26, 2008 04:35:47
    TechnoZeus
    Thanks for the vote, and the comment. Your opinion is appreciated. :)
  • NurseyPaola June 11, 2008 06:17:44
    NurseyPaola

    + Vote for Barack Obama (independent)

    He will win the presidency.
  • TechnoZeus NurseyP... June 19, 2008 02:14:09
    TechnoZeus
    Does look that way. :)
  • Diane June 05, 2008 12:23:44
    Diane

    + Vote for Hillary Clinton (Democratic)

    No Obama
    Obama supporters....

    Michelle Obama spoke at the Women’s Event, but referenced Bill
    Clinton in her rant — his presence at the conference was the
    impetus for her raving, it seems.

    For about 30 minutes, Michelle Obama launched into a rant about the
    evils of America, and how America is to blame for the problems of
    Africa. Michelle personally blamed President Clinton for the deaths
    of millions of Africans and said America is responsible for the
    genocide of the Tutsis and other ethnic groups. She then launched
    into an attack on “whitey”, and talked about solutions to black
    on black crime in the realm of diverting those actions onto white
    America. Her rant was fueled by the crowd: they reacted strongly to
    what she said, so she got more passionate and enraged, and that’s
    when she completely loses it and says things that have made the
    mouths drop of everyone who’s seen this.

    read full post....

    http://rezkowatch.blogspot.co...

    Take Greta poll on Fox News..

    http://gretawire.foxnews.com/...
  • KimL Diane June 07, 2008 20:17:23
    KimL
    Unbelievable that a black nominee for the democratic party can divide this country even more then it is already. This seems to becoming a race war black vs white instead of a run for presidency. I am sure the powers that be hope we kill each other and then the prevailing group will be paying all the taxes by themselves!! Slavery in its best form work hard for your dollar and turn 33% over to the rich who run this country.
  • TechnoZeus KimL June 19, 2008 02:24:52
    TechnoZeus
    You say "unbelievable" yet you seem to believe it. Interesting.
  • KimL TechnoZeus June 19, 2008 03:18:50
    KimL
    Let me rephrase that for you.. instead of unbelievable.. use this.. who would of thunk a thing like that.
  • TechnoZeus KimL June 19, 2008 19:48:41 (edited)
    TechnoZeus
    The idiots that Diane was quoting, obviously... or so they would have you believe. Of course they forgot to tell you... that they made it up. Hehe.

    Thanks for the clarification.

  • TechnoZeus Diane June 19, 2008 02:23:40
    TechnoZeus
    Yes, I remember reading about a Michelle Obama rant tape that turned out not to exist... is this the hoax they were talking about? If not.... please, find me a link to what she said, in her own words... in her own voice.
  • sherdon2 June 03, 2008 16:44:32
    sherdon2

    + Vote for Hillary Clinton (Democratic)

    Can not and will not vote for a person with the hate baggage from his church of 20 years and his refusal to salute Ole' Glory.
  • TechnoZeus sherdon2 June 19, 2008 02:28:51
    TechnoZeus
    Oh, you mean like this?


    ...or did you mean more like this?

    ...or perhaps something more like this?

    or maybe you had something else in mind... anyway. Your call.
  • +1 raves
    NZArkie08: In God We Trust. May 28, 2008 03:31:30
    NZArkie08:  In God We Trust.

    + Vote for Hillary Clinton (Democratic)

    Hillary is by far the most experienced person for the job of President. Barack Obama is just a phony! He was born to a white, atheist mother, his African father left when he was a small child, then he had a Muslim Stepfather, was and his early life was spent in Indonesia, going to a Muslim school. Eventually, he ended up being raised by his white grandparents! I will never understand how he can be so "proud" of his black genes. I will never forget his "bitter", "clinging to their guns" comments; or the fact that he attended Jeremiah Wright's church for over 20 years, raising his own children in that church!! The church where Jeremiah Wright preached "Hate Whites", and "God Damn America", and the American government invented aids to kill off "Black people". America may be ready for a brown President, but America does not have a decent, good, intelligent, experienced brown person as a good candidate yet!! America does have an excellent, experienced Woman candidate though. Go Hillary!! Flick off all of the blatent sexism, and keep fighting!!!
  • TechnoZeus NZArkie... May 30, 2008 18:12:09
    TechnoZeus
    Thanks for the vote and the comment, misinformed as it may be.
  • +1 raves
    cassanova May 17, 2008 01:00:33
    cassanova

    + Vote for Hillary Clinton (Democratic)

    hillary right!? i know if i say something bad about obama you will null and void it again, so i'll be a good girl today :)!!
  • +1 raves
    TechnoZeus cassanova May 18, 2008 22:44:02 (edited)
    TechnoZeus
    You must have me confused with someone else. Of course if you say something that I know to be untrue about any of the candidates, if I notice it I will probably say so... and I'm not afraid to say if I personally disagree either... but I don't "null and void" people for not sharing my opinions. If I only wanted my own opinion, I wouldn't have made an opinion poll. Hehe.

    Anyway, here are the results of this poll so far...

    58 votes for Barack Obama (independent)

    28 votes for Hillary Clinton (Democratic)

    6 votes for John McCain (Republican)

    1 write-in vote for Ron Paul

    1 write-in for Kat Swift

    (4 Undecided)

    ~7pm, May 18th, 2008
  • +1 raves
    rosey posey May 14, 2008 20:19:06
    rosey posey

    + Vote for Hillary Clinton (Democratic)

    Hillary of course
  • +1 raves
    TechnoZeus rosey p... May 16, 2008 09:50:42
    TechnoZeus
    Hi again. :)
    Thanks for the vote in my poll.
  • +1 raves
    Ayla May 09, 2008 23:19:14
    Ayla

    + Vote for Hillary Clinton (Democratic)

    I vote for the person most qualified to fix our country. . If for any reason Hillary were not on that ticket, then I would have to vote McCain.

    Obama has way too much Dirty Laundry, and most of it hasn't even come out yet.

    And Obama couldn't even run a State, why the heck does anyone think he can run a country? Obama's Senate record is full of too many mistakes and OOPS’s!
    Obama said oops on 6 state Senate votes
    He pushed the wrong button, he asserted at the time.

    Two of the admitted flubs were on hotly contested issues.
    By Peter Wallsten, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
    January 24, 2008
    Barack Obama angered fellow Democrats in the Illinois Senate WHEN HE VOTED TO STRIP MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM A CHILD WELFARE OFFICE on Chicago's West Side.
    But Obama had a ready explanation: He goofed.

    "I was not aware that I had voted no," he said that day in June 2002, asking that the record be changed to reflect that he "intended to vote yes."

    That was not the only misfire for the former civil rights attorney first elected to the state Senate in 1996. During his eight years in state office, Obama cast more than 4,000 votes. Of those, according to transcripts of the proceedings in Springfield, he hit the wrong button at least six times.

    The rules allow state lawmakers to cle...













































    I vote for the person most qualified to fix our country. . If for any reason Hillary were not on that ticket, then I would have to vote McCain.

    Obama has way too much Dirty Laundry, and most of it hasn't even come out yet.

    And Obama couldn't even run a State, why the heck does anyone think he can run a country? Obama's Senate record is full of too many mistakes and OOPS’s!
    Obama said oops on 6 state Senate votes
    He pushed the wrong button, he asserted at the time.

    Two of the admitted flubs were on hotly contested issues.
    By Peter Wallsten, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
    January 24, 2008
    Barack Obama angered fellow Democrats in the Illinois Senate WHEN HE VOTED TO STRIP MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM A CHILD WELFARE OFFICE on Chicago's West Side.
    But Obama had a ready explanation: He goofed.

    "I was not aware that I had voted no," he said that day in June 2002, asking that the record be changed to reflect that he "intended to vote yes."

    That was not the only misfire for the former civil rights attorney first elected to the state Senate in 1996. During his eight years in state office, Obama cast more than 4,000 votes. Of those, according to transcripts of the proceedings in Springfield, he hit the wrong button at least six times.

    The rules allow state lawmakers to clear up a mishap if they suffered from a momentary case of stumbly fingers or a lapse in attention. Correcting the record is common practice in the Illinois Legislature, where lawmakers routinely cast numerous votes in a hurry.

    But some lawmakers say the practice also offers a relatively painless way to placate both sides of a difficult issue. Even if a lawmaker admits an error, THE ACTUAL VOTE STANDS AND THE OFFICIAL RECORD MERELY SHOWS THE SENATOR'S "INTENT."

    But Obama has come under fire from Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York and former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina for his frequent use of another oddity of Illinois politics: voting "present" rather than casting up-or-down votes on controversial measures.

    Four of Obama's admitted flubs drew little controversy.

    On March 19, 1997, he announced he had fumbled an election-reform vote the day before, on a measure that passed 51 to 6: "I was trying to vote yes on this, and I was recorded as a no," he said.
    The next day, he acknowledged voting "present" on a key telecommunications vote.

    He stood on March 11, 1999, to take back his vote against legislation to end good-behavior credits for certain felons in county jails. "I PRESSED THE WRONG BUTTON ON THAT," he said.

    Obama was the lone dissenter on Feb. 24, 2000, against 57 yeas for a ban on human cloning.
    "I PRESSED THE WRONG BUTTON BY ACCIDENT," HE SAID.

    But two of Obama's bumbles came on more-sensitive topics. On Nov. 14, 1997, he backed
    Legislation to permit riverboat casinos to operate even when the boats were dockside.

    The measure pushed by the gambling industry and fought by church groups whose support Obama
    was seeking, passed with two "yeas" to spare -- including Obama's. Moments after its passage he
    Rose to say, "I'D LIKE TO BE RECORDED AS A NO VOTE," EXPLAINING THAT HE HAD MISTAKENLY VOTED FOR IT.

    Obama would later develop a reputation as a critic of the gambling industry, and he voted against
    A similar measure two years later. But he was clearly confused about how to handle the issue at the
    Time of his first vote, telling a church group on a 1998 campaign questionnaire that he was "undecided"
    About whether he backed an expansion of riverboat gambling. And, months earlier, he had voted in
    Favor of a version of the bill.

    The senator who led the opposition to the gambling measure, Republican Todd Sieben, said he took
    Obama at his word that the initial vote was an error. But Sieben also said the thin margin of victory
    was a sign that perhaps there was more to the vote than met the eye. "He was obviously paying
    Attention to this vote. It was a major, major issue in the state, and it was a long debate,
    " Sieben said. "The inadvertent 'Oops, I missed the switch' -- I'd be kind of skeptical of that."

    On June 11, 2002, Obama's vote sparked a confrontation after he joined Republicans TO BLOCK
    Democrats trying to override a veto by GOP Gov. George Ryan of a $2-MILLION ALLOTMENT FOR THE
    WEST CHICAGO CHILD WELFARE OFFICE.

    A fellow Democrat suddenly seethed with anger. "You got a lot of nerve to talk about being responsible,"
    Said Sen. Rickey Hendon, ACCUSING OBAMA OF VOTING TO CLOSE THE CHILD WELFARE OFFICE.

    Obama replied right away. "I understand Sen. Hendon's anger. . . . I WAS NOT AWARE THAT I HAD VOTED
    NO ON THAT LAST -- LAST PIECE OF LEGISLATION," HE SAID. Another OOOPS?

    With all these oops and present votes do we want this man as President?
    He could vote for War and Higher taxes and claim Oops I meant to vote NO.
    (more)
  • TechnoZeus Ayla May 10, 2008 10:20:48 (edited)
    TechnoZeus
    Didn't I reply to a clone of this comment in another poll?

    As I stated before, if you have actually read the article, then you would know that such erroneous votes are common in the Illinoin Legislature and also that he correct his few wrong button presses (out of thousands of votes) on the same day, before the votes could go into effect.

    "The rules allow state lawmakers to clear up a mishap if they suffered from a momentary case of stumbly fingers or a lapse in attention. Correcting the record is common practice in the Illinois Legislature, where lawmakers routinely cast numerous votes in a hurry."

    That's a whole lot better than voting for a war that you claim to be against and then waiting about 5 years to acknowledge that it was a mistake, as Hillary Clinton did... but at least she did admit it, eventually.

    Oh, and as for the dirty laundry... that's only because his competition has soiled it.
  • Deb. I believe. May 09, 2008 21:10:49
    Deb.  I believe.

    + Vote for Barack Obama (independent)

    And I think it might surprise John and Hillary how many would vote for him as an independent.
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    TechnoZeus Deb. I... May 10, 2008 10:22:19
    TechnoZeus
    I know it would... but I don't think we'll get to find out because Hillary is already starting to ease off...
    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLIT...
  • Foo Master Angie May 09, 2008 16:29:28
    Foo Master Angie

    + Vote for John McCain (Republican)

    A vote for McCain is a vote against Hitlery.
  • TechnoZeus Foo Mas... May 10, 2008 10:25:00
    TechnoZeus
    Unfortunately, that is about how the math tends to work in the current system... but they're really not the same thing, and that's why I'm promoting the idea of having more of a choice of how you want your vote to represent your thoughts.
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    Foo Mas... TechnoZeus May 10, 2008 13:35:56
    Foo Master Angie
    I just wanted to get my dig in against Hillary....I'm voting for McCain because both the democrats are a little too socialistic for me.
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    TechnoZeus Foo Mas... May 10, 2008 21:34:12
    TechnoZeus
    Understood... Dig noted. :)
  • ElectricLadybug*SH07* May 09, 2008 16:24:35
    ElectricLadybug*SH07*

    + Vote for John McCain (Republican)

    McCain..simply because I am not a democrat and I dont agree with either of the demo. candidates...not to say I agree 100% with McCain but he's closer to my belief system...
  • +2 raves
    TechnoZeus Electri... May 10, 2008 10:26:01
    TechnoZeus
    Fair enough. Thanks for the vote, and the polite comment. :)
  • +2 raves
    BB May 09, 2008 00:23:37
    BB

    + Vote for Hillary Clinton (Democratic)

    I really believe in her, and strongly feel she is th best candidate.
  • +1 raves
    TechnoZeus BB May 09, 2008 06:49:26
    TechnoZeus
    Thanks for the vote, and the comment.

    Care to say why you think she's the best candidate? By the way, good reason.. i'm just curious about why. It's rare that I hear an actual good reason to vote for her... usually it's sexism or "better of two evils" thinking brought on by her negative campaigning. Good to see people that don't stoop to such levels. :)
  • +1 raves
    BB TechnoZeus May 09, 2008 17:25:37
    BB
    Exactly!!!!
    I believe that she has the best economic plan, but she will know how much to actually implement. She is a realist and she does know first hand what it takes to get the job done. She will try to get us out of Iraq carefully.
  • +1 raves
    TechnoZeus BB May 10, 2008 10:34:04
    TechnoZeus
    Well... I could argue most of those points with you, but I will refrain from doing so at this time and simply say...
    Thanks. You stated your opinions well and I can understand why someone who thought such things about a candidate would want to vote for that candidate.
    Personally I can't say that I agree with any of that but I do understand how one could come to such conclusions. I think the same things about Barack Obama I and also like many other things about him... but it's okay to disagree. :)
  • +1 raves
    Phyl *I... BB June 11, 2008 00:56:39
    Phyl *In God i Trust*
    she is the best she can still come back.it's up to us now to find the dirt on abama give it to hannity at foxnews.
  • BB Phyl *I... June 11, 2008 01:53:57
    BB
    I'm right behind you!
  • TechnoZeus BB June 19, 2008 02:37:52
    TechnoZeus
    Still thinking we need more Politics as usual?
  • dreamhippy May 08, 2008 02:23:28
    dreamhippy

    + Write in a vote for someone (Please leave a comment saying who you would vote for)

    RON PAUL
  • TechnoZeus dreamhippy May 09, 2008 06:50:09
    TechnoZeus
    Write-in for Ron Paul acknowledged. Thanks.

    Care to say why?
  • -1 raves
    Daline May 07, 2008 06:33:03
    Daline

    + Vote for Barack Obama (independent)

    I would vote for Obama as an Independent in the unlikely event Hillary became Democratic nominee
  • TechnoZeus Daline May 08, 2008 02:23:26
    TechnoZeus
    We should all write to him saying so. :)
  • Rick May 06, 2008 00:12:46
    Rick

    Undecided

    I dislike all the candidates!
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