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If government is shut down why should we pay taxes? Who's up for a little Anacho-Capitalism?

Minarchist 2013/09/26 07:37:07
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  • DeeB 2013/09/26 22:07:01
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    Why pay taxes on wages anyway? That is called slavery! After the war it was supposed to be only for awhile. That while is way past.

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  • Miss Valeska 2013/10/03 06:41:21
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    Miss Valeska
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    I'm an Anarcho-Capitalist, However, The Government has not shut down, Taxes are still being collected, It's all continuing, It's just a game.
  • Minarchist Miss Va... 2013/10/03 07:27:47
    Minarchist
    What I was saying is since government is shut down what is the purpose to pay txes and shoudn't it be that if it is shut down there should be no taxes
  • david abe 2013/09/27 14:32:44
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    david abe
    Pay your taxes or go to jail.The services which will be shut down are only those which will cause public annoyance .
  • DDogbreath 2013/09/27 02:18:23 (edited)
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    With the government 70% invested in "blue chip" corporations they don't need our taxes. They are just being greedy.
  • DeeB 2013/09/26 22:07:01
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    Why pay taxes on wages anyway? That is called slavery! After the war it was supposed to be only for awhile. That while is way past.
  • LMA 2013/09/26 18:25:17
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    that's kinda what happened in 95 isn't?
  • RichFromShowMe 2013/09/26 18:24:04
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    The only solution is to eliminate the IRS, which will also take down obamacare, as it's the Gestapo Arm to enforce obamacare.

    Replace the IRS with a proven solution; i.e., the FAIR TAX, which could be up and running in a few months as nearly all mechanisms have been in place and operating for 50+ years.
  • Simpattyco 2013/09/26 18:14:00
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    need an army fbi supreme court some diplomacy, SOME HEALTH OVERSITE FLAT TAX , NO DEPT OF ENERGY, EDUCATION, LABOR ,POST OFFICE,
  • Chrissi 2013/09/26 15:23:26
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    Chrissi
    Gotta keep an open-mind!!!
  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2013/09/26 09:48:51
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    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +1
    The only thing is: you need law and order to have free markets. How do you propose to deal with criminals?
  • Madame ... Temlako... 2013/09/27 10:19:49
    Madame Arsenic
    Mirror punishment. :) That's my belief, anyway.
  • Temlako... Madame ... 2013/09/27 10:31:52
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    How exactly would that work?
  • Madame ... Temlako... 2013/09/27 12:08:29
    Madame Arsenic
    +1
    In it's less sophisticated form, washing a child's mouth out with soap for cursing is an example. In it's purest form, it's literally an eye for an eye.
  • Temlako... Madame ... 2013/09/27 12:32:29
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    OK. In other words, force-in-retaliation.

    Now: if a man is missing his wallet, does he then break into every house looking for it?

    And:

    If Mr. Smith, a customer of Guard Force A, accuses Mr. Jones, a customer of Guard Force B, of some kind of depradation against him, and Jones contests that, do the two guard forces then go to war with one another?

    Force-in-retaliation must come under the control of a disinterested institution.

    That's what government is for.

    It is the ONLY thing government is good for, but without that, society is one crime away from a free-for-all.

    Unless you want to run your society "by invitation only," like Ayn Rand's Atlantis.
  • Madame ... Temlako... 2013/09/27 12:42:00
    Madame Arsenic
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    I disagree. Yes, our government was initially intended to serve one main purpose, and that was to protect the US from invasion. But the thing is, without governments to begin with, we wouldn't even *need* protection from that.

    The same goes for people. Ayn Rand also said, "The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws." A lot of the things we're wasting tax dollars on shouldn't even be illegal -- the only things any civilization should really worry about is rape and murder. Theft wouldn't even be an issue in a completely free society without a currency, as everyone would have equal access to anything.

    Furthermore, I've noticed a lot of people assume that were a nation to go from any form of government to an anarchic society, people would automatically forget how to farm or conduct scientific studies or treat patients. Which astounds me, as it sounds as if people associate the talents they have and their success at whatever occupation they've chosen is totally because of government. Nothing would change in an anarchic society except there would be no government.

    In fact, it doesn't m...
    I disagree. Yes, our government was initially intended to serve one main purpose, and that was to protect the US from invasion. But the thing is, without governments to begin with, we wouldn't even *need* protection from that.

    The same goes for people. Ayn Rand also said, "The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws." A lot of the things we're wasting tax dollars on shouldn't even be illegal -- the only things any civilization should really worry about is rape and murder. Theft wouldn't even be an issue in a completely free society without a currency, as everyone would have equal access to anything.

    Furthermore, I've noticed a lot of people assume that were a nation to go from any form of government to an anarchic society, people would automatically forget how to farm or conduct scientific studies or treat patients. Which astounds me, as it sounds as if people associate the talents they have and their success at whatever occupation they've chosen is totally because of government. Nothing would change in an anarchic society except there would be no government.

    In fact, it doesn't matter how much government you have, the ONLY chains put on us are those that exist in our minds. It is truly by consent alone they are in power, and no amount of laws could prevent anyone from breaking them if they so chose. "No one rules if no one obeys." So if the majority of Americans are already exhibiting that kind of mental restraint now, what makes any of us think they wouldn't do so without a government?
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  • Temlako... Madame ... 2013/09/27 23:34:50
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +1
    Well, people are not going to forget how to farm, make things, do research, and so on. But what about those OUTSIDE your society? You can abolish government within your own select circle, but you cannot abolish government outside it. You can never work up any trick to stop someone from ginning up a gang, an army, call it what you will, with the industrial capacity to make enough weapons to overwhelm you. Now how are you going to defend against that? And: what are you going to do about crime in your society? Without government, crime goes unpunished--or else leads to the formation of vigilance committees. And the problem with those, is that by combining the functions of judge, jury and executioner, they do not act objectively, and thus become the very thing you wish to avoid: tyrants.
  • Madame ... Temlako... 2013/09/28 09:08:37 (edited)
    Madame Arsenic
    Not necessarily. What would be the point? One of the main reasons violence is so rampant is because of the social hierarchy currently in place, created by the system of capitalism. If one removes the hierarchy and allows everyone to be on the same footing, then the criminal desire to harm others in order to obtain whatever it is they have that the other wants is greatly lessened. It's just basically adjusting a society to fit human nature.

    Again, offenders of others' freedoms would be dealt with via mutual aid. It's the only justifiable method of punishment, in my opinion, and I dare to wager potential threats would be more cautious in the acts they committed, especially if they knew any wrong they did would be given back to them in the exact same manner.
  • Temlako... Madame ... 2013/09/27 23:36:07
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    Everyone would have equal access to anything? That suggests no such thing as property, and all things in common. Including the food you eat? Who would live in a society where they can call nothing their own by right? I wouldn't.
  • Madame ... Temlako... 2013/09/28 09:16:49
    Madame Arsenic
    Just because everything is equally available to everyone doesn't mean there isn't personal property -- another misconception of anarchic principles. Why does one immediately assume that because everyone would be able to own the same products/items as everyone else, that it takes from others? The irony is the system we have now is a culprit, denying people the chance to own certain properties/items, and not because of their character or deeds towards others -- no, it's just because the number of paper slips they have is too little, so they give it to the next guy whose amount of paper slips is more. Sounds ridiculous to me.

    And in any case, such items are MATERIAL. If one defines himself by the things he has rather than the kind of person he is, his method of thinking is at fault, not the anarchic society being proposed. Anarchy is all about truly helping your fellow man, working as a gargantuan collective, oftentimes broken into smaller segments, but still comprised of human-beings simply trying to live their lives unencumbered.
  • ConLibFraud 2013/09/26 08:03:57
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    ConLibFraud
    +2
    You have to be kidding? What do we volunteer taxes period!!!!

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