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If Conservatives Are ANTI-ABORTION Why Don't They Support Public Sex Education And Free Birth Control ? Hypocrisy or Stupidity ?

Che Guevara - Hero 2012/03/11 20:52:18
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If Conservatives Are ANTI-ABORTION Why Don't They Support Public Sex Education And Free Birth Control ? Hypocrisy or Stupidity ?
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  • Daring Blasphemer BN-0 2012/03/11 21:42:13
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    Daring Blasphemer BN-0
    +15
    Conservatives may be the biggest part of the pro-life movement. The Republicans may have the public convinced of their moral superiority on this issue. The fact is that until Reagan ran for President, 'conservative' politicians were 'pro-choice' or more precisely, pro-abortion. Reagan himself passed one of the most liberal abortion laws in history in the state of California. His own daughter had an abortion with his blessing. It is because the leaders of the Republican Party saw a way to split the Catholic vote and so in 1980 Reagan won as a pro-life 'conservative' even forcing Bush onto the same page as a condition of his VP slot. It was and is cynical at best. Actual conservatives may be pro-life (I happen to be so and am NOT conservative), but their chosen party will never change the law, because this is one on the greatest wedge issues ever found. The politicians simply need to care about this issue every couple of years then quietly let it rest....

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  • ««zamboni»»Hellsoldier-BN0 2012/03/22 22:28:59
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    ««zamboni»»Hellsoldier-BN0
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    They never said anything about being logical.
  • Zombz 2012/03/18 21:01:19
    HYPOCRISY
    Zombz
    +2
    Meant both. Silly people. They've been trained to follow the order but they've forgotten to question it.
  • Merhabi Daham 2012/03/18 20:41:28
    HYPOCRISY
    Merhabi Daham
    +1
    <---Anti-Abortion.
    <---Doesn't support public sex education.
    ---anti-abortion support public sex education
  • abycinnamon BN-1 2012/03/14 20:14:12 (edited)
  • ehrhornp 2012/03/14 08:56:58
    BOTH
    ehrhornp
    +1
    They actually believe that just say no and a lack of sex ed, will prevent premarital sex. How dumb can you get?
  • Giantfighter 2012/03/14 05:37:13
    BOTH
    Giantfighter
    +1
    Hypocrisy, Stupidy & a need to have Power & Control
  • Dave 2012/03/14 04:30:12
    STUPIDITY
    Dave
    +1
    Good Lordy the Jesus! You liberals jus don't understand. If'n you start teachin' kids about sex you'll have funication all over the country!
  • Sadisticon 2012/03/13 20:57:55
    ANOTHER LAME EXCUSE
    Sadisticon
    +1
    Informed and protected citizens are likely to revolt. Choices - real choices make people independent. Who wants people to think for themselves or make responsible, adult choices? Without the abortion controversy where would these people seek outrage and the subsequent path to power?

    They need adversity, that much is clear, once conservatives have nothing to fight, they have nothing to fight for. Check their platforms - everything is anti-something. In informal conversations (and therefore my personal anecdotes) they confess to being "against" this thing or that thing: weed, charity, different breeds of people mixing, sex, public schools... When all you talk about is what somebody else is doing (what you THINK somebody else is doing) then you aren't focused on what you need to be doing.
  • Vene Vidi 2012/03/13 11:45:50
    BOTH
    Vene Vidi
    +1
    The opposition to sex education and birth control makes them PRO-abortion.

    In countries such as the Netherlands, the rate of teenage pregnancies is way lower than in the USA: 11,5 per 1000 as compared to 85 in the USA numbers are a bit old, but they didn't change that much).

    That is what happens when you put your faith before your senses.
  • A Lionheart 2012/03/13 05:46:45
    BOTH
    A Lionheart
    +1
    Mostly idiocy, including stupidity and hippocracy.
  • sjalan 2012/03/13 05:26:02
    BOTH
    sjalan
    +1
    They are owned by the Religious Right and the RCC.
  • Gris 2012/03/13 04:27:24
    BOTH
    Gris
    Oh my, I remember the days when Rotten Ronnie Reagan, started the free birth control pills and abortions to the "lowest income women, ie. blacks... until the first reports came in that is was a majority of middle class and rich women who had the abortions and lied about their income levels... then the screaming started by the "pure white christians"
  • findthelight2000 2012/03/13 03:01:30
    HYPOCRISY
    findthelight2000
    +2
    Because they are religious conservatives, and nothing pleases them more than to tell others how to live their life - usually in the worst way!
  • Damocles 2012/03/13 01:04:13
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    Damocles
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    They are all for the rights of the unborn, until they are born, then it's your problem from there on. They will step over homeless people , and do away with WIC, but by all means they "protect the rights" of the unborn. Just their way of telling you what to do with your life. I guess they think the rights of a 12 year old rape victim don't count for much.
  • Gris Damocles 2012/03/13 04:09:25
    Gris
    +1
    Yup, you have got it!,,, but you left out the goodies, if there was not enough poor starving, abused, raped children, they would have none of their favorite entertainment, all the while dreaming of doing the "fun" of starving, abusing and raping children all by themselves...
  • Constan... Damocles 2012/03/21 07:25:00
    Constant Commenter
    +1
    Yes - I agree. (I am editing and reposting this here since I had wanted the "both" option).

    Any birth control and sex education should always be supported and unbelievable that it is not. Teaching abstinence instead? I don't know if this matters much to hormone-raging young people, but what contributes to the problem MORE is teaching backward and wrong thinking. The focusing on abortion being such a crime only contributes to negative factors such as:

    (1) Causing one to hide a pregnancy and birth, only to leave the infant elsewhere, possibly to die, due to shame and fear.

    (2) Alternately, leaving the infant "somewhere safe" adding to the overpopulation / adoption problem and making it other people's responsibility and cost.

    (3) Giving up the child to a person designated which would be difficult emotionally for any female, let alone for a teenager.

    (4) Encouraging "children having children" who are not in a position to do raise a child.

    (5) Forcing an unwanted relationship / marriage of two who are unprepared to do so and who would not have otherwise done so.

    (6) Altering the futures of the two, not to mention both of their families and most likely ending up as another divorce statistic, creating child support by one that isn't always followed through with.

    (7) Most often, the y...

    Yes - I agree. (I am editing and reposting this here since I had wanted the "both" option).

    Any birth control and sex education should always be supported and unbelievable that it is not. Teaching abstinence instead? I don't know if this matters much to hormone-raging young people, but what contributes to the problem MORE is teaching backward and wrong thinking. The focusing on abortion being such a crime only contributes to negative factors such as:

    (1) Causing one to hide a pregnancy and birth, only to leave the infant elsewhere, possibly to die, due to shame and fear.

    (2) Alternately, leaving the infant "somewhere safe" adding to the overpopulation / adoption problem and making it other people's responsibility and cost.

    (3) Giving up the child to a person designated which would be difficult emotionally for any female, let alone for a teenager.

    (4) Encouraging "children having children" who are not in a position to do raise a child.

    (5) Forcing an unwanted relationship / marriage of two who are unprepared to do so and who would not have otherwise done so.

    (6) Altering the futures of the two, not to mention both of their families and most likely ending up as another divorce statistic, creating child support by one that isn't always followed through with.

    (7) Most often, the young female is forced to deal with the responsibility, leaving the young man free to live his life, altering her future financially and otherwise.

    It's certain that many have lived these scenarios, due to the teachings or insistence of others and have regrets as their lives could have gone much differently. It could and should be avoided and though abortion should not be used as "a method of birth control", it's an alternative in many instances. If only we were able to effectively and properly dissuade and control the possibility of unwanted and unnecessary pregnancy in the first place, what a world we might be.
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  • Sissy 2012/03/13 00:13:13
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    Sissy
    +4
    The cons will do everything to bring a fetus to fruition. The more crazies of the bunch have bombed clinics, killed nurses and doctors and overwhelmed the poll booths. But once the little tyke is here god forbid "stuff" like medicade, food stamps, child care, or programs to help that child to grow. "You're on your own baby, pull yourselves up by your own bootstraps even if you don't have any boots." Its unreal.
  • fredrik19 2012/03/12 22:09:29
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    fredrik19
    +3
    those that support anti abortion are the ones that don't give the exemple
  • seathanaich 2012/03/12 21:21:24
    STUPIDITY
    seathanaich
    +4
    More stupidity than hypocracy. People who do this aren't generally intelligent enough to figure out what hypocracy is.

    The problem is deeper than this: it's the result of illogical thinking across a gamut of subjects. People who haven't been taught how to use evidence to form their opinions will use dogma instead.
  • Matt 2012/03/12 21:00:26
    ANOTHER LAME EXCUSE
    Matt
    +1
    The government's duties and responsibilities are clearly outlined by the constitution. There is nothing about supplying free contraception to people who make bad or immoral decisions. If you can get your state or local government to do it, more power to you.

    free contraception
  • Sissy Matt 2012/03/13 00:15:58
    Sissy
    +4
    In case you hadn't heard, the contraception issue was discussed, debated and opined over FIFTY years ago. Some of us silly women thought the issue had long been settled. Its only the half-wit republicans that have now brought it up again with their half-assed charges of "religious freedom".

    We will remember in November.
  • Matt Sissy 2012/03/13 12:45:16
    Matt
    +1
    I have nothing against contraception. As a man, abortion is pretty much a moot point to me. I just don't want to have to pay for it through higher taxes or insurance rates. Take responsibility for your own procreation.
  • Merhabi... Matt 2012/03/19 17:30:45
    Merhabi Daham
    Abortion is a moot point? I take offense at your opinion that a father has no right to the life of his child. Thinking like that leads to women who go get an abortion, tell you they are pregnant, and then tell you about the abortion right as you get over initial shock and begin to celebrate. How? I don't really know, but somehow your thoughts will cause this to happen more frequently.
  • Matt Merhabi... 2012/03/19 18:25:49
    Matt
    +1
    Let me rephrase that: As a 59 year old man....

    The women that I have dated over the last couple of decades have been one way or the other, beyond their fertile years or have had their tubes tied.
  • Nestofa... Matt 2012/03/13 01:45:23
    Nestofasssps
    HOw many things do you take for granted that arent in the constitution?
    oil subsidies?
    pipelines? AIrcraft(FAA) FDA, DOT?
    Starting wars over lies abou WMDs??
    Truthfully its a smoke an mirror trick
    if in doubt use the "constitution" to stop Obama..I ve heard it five hundred times more in the last three years than I did since 1988 -2008
    where were your constitution bleatings then??
  • Damocles Matt 2012/03/13 15:09:58
    Damocles
    +1
    There are a lot of things not covered in the constitution. The framers ( thus called because they built the framework of the Constitution ) did not intend to make everyday decisions a part of the framework. They gave the upcoming generations credit for enough sense to figure out a few things for themselves. In essence, they put the foundation and framing of a building in place, and left it to be completed and improved through the generations. They did not include toilet paper in the constitution, but aren't you glad someone thought of it when you use a public restroom (which was not in the constitution). Then you get a drink of water from the water fountain ( not in the Constitution ) and go shopping in a super store ( not in the Constitution ) and buy lots of stuff from China ( also not in the Constitution ) You cannot live by the letter of the Constitution, if we did we would still be living in the seventeenth century.
    The atomic bomb and the F-22 Raptor fighter were not specifically mentioned in the Constitution, but thankfully someone had the sense to know we couldn't defend ourselves forever with black powder muskets. The preamble of the Constitution mentions "promote the general welfare" as one of the reasons for writing the Constitution. That covers a broad area and is vague in meaning so that it can cover a multitude of areas in daily life. The Constitution is not a document of specifics, we have to be smart enough to use it as it was intended.
  • Matt Damocles 2012/03/13 15:34:02
    Matt
    Other than the congress funding the defense department, as far as I know, the disposition of everything else that you mentioned is is governed by state and local laws and codes.
  • Damocles Matt 2012/03/13 15:51:26
    Damocles
    But by your logic, find where in the Constitution the atomic bomb or the F-22 are mentioned specifically. Yet you say there is nothing in the Constitution about supplying free contraception for people who etc.etc.---- there's nothing in the Constitution about not supplying contraceptives either. If you want to make a point about something covered by state and local laws, why drag out the Constitution?
  • Matt Damocles 2012/03/13 16:58:20
    Matt
    Raising and supporting armies and navies along with declaring war are among the powers specifically granted to our Congress by article one of our constitution.

    Forcing people to buy a private insurance product and forcing insurance companies to provide a specific service are not among any powers vested in any branch of our government.
  • Damocles Matt 2012/03/13 18:02:39 (edited)
    Damocles
    How are the VA hospitals and health services paid? How about forcing people to pay taxes to supply Oil Copanies with " incentives "
    ( subsidies ) and pay for Corporate loop holes. I know I don't like paying for fat cat lifestyles of the rich and famous, but the law says I have to. Do you think we have the right to pick and choose where our tax money goes? As far as forcing people to buy insurance, no one is being forced. They can keep their present insurance, buy into the program, or pay a penalty. Just like I could go ahead and pay my taxes to keep up the fat cats, or refuse and pay the penalty. The law is the law, whether we like it or not.
    Just out of curiousity, what do you think providing for the general welfare mentioned in the preamble means? You do make legitimate points and don't fly off the handle while doing it. I admire that in a person. I am genuinely interested in you point of view.
  • Matt Damocles 2012/03/13 19:35:22
    Matt
    +1
    I would like to end all of those other things that you mentioned also. Only Ron Paul might do that. The corporate media minimized him out of existence.
  • Damocles Matt 2012/03/13 23:24:08
    Damocles
    +1
    You know, I watched and listened to Ron Paul, and he makes a lot of sense to me, but all the "experts" say his return to the gold and silver standard, and his foreign policy views would be a disaster on the world level. They must know something that I don't, because pulling all our troops home and defending our borders sounds good to me. I don't know how the gold and silver standard would work. I may be mistaken but I seem to remember him saying he would do away with paper money. I don't think he's going away though, he may fit into the role of a king maker at the convention.
  • Matt Damocles 2012/03/14 04:50:08
    Matt
    +1
    The American economy is long overdue for a disaster. The inevitable is just being postponed.

    Kind of like the sword of Damocles.
  • Damocles Matt 2012/03/14 13:48:43
    Damocles
    +1
    I'm hoping you're wrong, but my gut tells me you're not.
  • Marie-Jacqueline 2012/03/12 18:23:21
    HYPOCRISY
    Marie-Jacqueline
    +1
    It would be logical to adress the still high number of abortions in the U.S. with the easy availability of contraceptives.
    Sex-education in school also a good idea.

    Other countries have shown that it works, abortionrates are much lower.

    But what happens in the U.S.:
    Sex-education in school is a so intensive debated issue, promoting abstinence or not, silly comments as an aspirin between the knees etc.
    Contraceptive available for woman, or all types of exceptions why a woman can't have a contraceptive.
    On abortion the weight being put on lawmaking by people that call themselves religious is so high for the woman, that the result of it all is that they take the freedom of making a personal choice away for the woman
    Nobody has the right to do that.

    cartoon contraceptive
  • Savious 2012/03/12 15:25:02
    ANOTHER LAME EXCUSE
    Savious
    +2
    It has little to do with hypocrisy or stupidity; and more to do with looking at the situation from a different point of view. By far and large; most conservatives seek a reduction in government interference and spending. It isn’t that they oppose sexual education; it is more that they don’t want the government teaching it. Just as it isn’t that they oppose birth control, it’s that they don’t want the government paying for it.
  • Marie-J... Savious 2012/03/12 18:25:43
    Marie-Jacqueline
    +1
    But their lawmaking is interfering with the freedom of choice a woman must have.

    That is a contradiction of what they want.
  • Savious Marie-J... 2012/03/12 20:07:31
    Savious
    Almost all laws interfer with someone's freedom of choice.
  • Nestofa... Savious 2012/03/13 01:41:34
    Nestofasssps
    +1
    not HALF the population
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