If Christians believe that all aborted babies go to heaven.....then what are you complaining about????
Brandon
2012/05/20 06:06:52
When you make a statement. As, all live begins at conception. Then you deal with the implications of the claim that you make. If you say that God takes all aborted babies to heaven, then you equally have to answer to your claim.
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sedona farley 2012/08/23 04:44:50
With regards to the topic, I believe that God is a merciful and loving God and it would seem very unjust to condemn a baby when it has not had an opportunity to either accept or reject Jesus. Yes we are all born sinful and a baby's natural survival instincts is to be selfish and that is why we teach our children to be nice and share.
They do not have the understanding or capacity to make a moral judgement or choose good over evil an therefore cannot be treated like an adult would. A child is a pure spirit and therefore would gladly be welcomed into heaven. Once a child is able to make those moral decisions then they would be liable as an adult is. I don't think there is a set age limit as children develop differently and some Children, ie disabled children, never fully develop those abilities. Most people will have an opportunity to either accept or reject Jesus and those that live without knowing or given the choice will be judged accordingly and justly by God.
In regards to the bible being fallible I would have to say that God is infallible and that man is fallible. The bible has many translations and simple word changes can change peop...
With regards to the topic, I believe that God is a merciful and loving God and it would seem very unjust to condemn a baby when it has not had an opportunity to either accept or reject Jesus. Yes we are all born sinful and a baby's natural survival instincts is to be selfish and that is why we teach our children to be nice and share.
They do not have the understanding or capacity to make a moral judgement or choose good over evil an therefore cannot be treated like an adult would. A child is a pure spirit and therefore would gladly be welcomed into heaven. Once a child is able to make those moral decisions then they would be liable as an adult is. I don't think there is a set age limit as children develop differently and some Children, ie disabled children, never fully develop those abilities. Most people will have an opportunity to either accept or reject Jesus and those that live without knowing or given the choice will be judged accordingly and justly by God.
In regards to the bible being fallible I would have to say that God is infallible and that man is fallible. The bible has many translations and simple word changes can change people's understanding of the scriptures. Also without looking at the context of the verses anything can be derived from them. The best approach would be to ask and pray to God about the scriptures and read it in its original language. Although that would require great difficulty to learn both Hebrew and Greek I would say study up on the King James Version and search earnestly and pray about it. Don't believe just anything on the Internet and test it all to see if it is in line what the bible says. The bible is the inspired word of God and I believe it is infallible. It doesn't contradict itself and if it seems to it is because it has been incorrectly used.
I agree with you that you shouldn't argue with a Christian. A Christian shouldn't argue to prove their point as it will never lead someone to God through forceful words. As a Christian it is our duty to share the good news of Jesus Christ and create peace and then it is up to an individual if they choose to accept or reject it. And we must accept their decision just as God does.
I look forward to others thoughts and replies on this topic
(If anyone still is reading this :) )
I received insight from Christians on biblical doctrine that supported babies go to Heaven, debated on the flaws of the doctrine than created this post to see what opinions it would drum up. I am seeking opinions in order to formulate arguments. Instead of just simply saying what I read and see, I am literally learning the different ways Christians interpret the Bible. As opposed to just being closed minded to my own prejudices. Hope that makes sense.
So, seems the bible supports both. Which is scary seeming that it's infallible.
Children are unable to do all of the above. It's why Catholics baptize children at such a young age. To abolish the original sin and allow them into the kingdom of Heaven if they are to die at a young age.
My source? The Bible. Now.....I would like to hear your counter, unless your going to go with the typical context argument. Which is antiquated.
"He (David) answered, "While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept. I thought, 'Who knows? The LORD may be gracious to me and let the child live.' But now that he is dead, why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me." (II Samuel 12:22-23)
Both of these passages point to the Kingdom of God being for the innocent. The passage of David is quite unique in that he is sure that he will see his son in Heaven. Of course I suspect you will dismiss these verses. But you asked for Biblical evidence and here it is. These verses are not hard to find and not easily over looked. So I don't understand why I have to point them out to you.
Simply put, the Bible is fallible and not infallible as Christians would assert.
I am starting to wonder if you are even a Christian at this point? Have you even read the Bible?
Psalm 51:5, Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
Romans 3:23, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Romans 5:12, Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—
Romans 18:19, Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
So we are all born sinful. All of these passages indicate the existence of original sin, that we are born sinful. In Romans 3:23 the implication is that there is no exceptions.
The ONLY way into Heaven is through Christ......
John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
1 John 5:12
He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
And t...
I am starting to wonder if you are even a Christian at this point? Have you even read the Bible?
Psalm 51:5, Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
Romans 3:23, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Romans 5:12, Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—
Romans 18:19, Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
So we are all born sinful. All of these passages indicate the existence of original sin, that we are born sinful. In Romans 3:23 the implication is that there is no exceptions.
The ONLY way into Heaven is through Christ......
John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
1 John 5:12
He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
And then finally the famous John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
So, we are born sinful, the only way to Heaven is through Christ.....but that takes two things.....faith and repentance.
In order to repent you have to be Baptized........
Repentance is key as Paul puts it in the Book of Acts, "Repent and be baptised, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your CHILDREN and for all who are far off–for all whom the Lord our God will call." (Acts 2:38-39)
As you see here again, Paul has mentioned children, noting that no one is free of sin.
Secondly faith....
Hebrews 11:6
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
So it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God and enter the Kingdom of Heaven without faith......however the Bible even goes as far as to explain where even faith comes from....
Romans 10:17
Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.
So Children esp aborted babies who are conceived as Paul would put it, IN SIN cannot hear the word of God, this can have no faith. They cannot repent their sins and cannot be baptized. So, if a baby dies in sin, which in an abortion of death at birth where do they go?
Revelation 21:27
Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
The Bible is clear, nothing impure or in sin will enter heaven.
So to your argument "There aren't any available to prove your point."
Here they are to back my claim.
Of course what else would you expect from the infallible word of God! Mis-interpretations of interpretations! And when you don't agree with an interpretation it's a mis-interpretation! Oh my!! And then you add further insult to your argument of "it's a secret!"
Please!! If your willing to accept, even for a second that an all loving God could possibly sentence innocent children to the tortures of hell for eternity and you would turn and worship him? Then please tell me what morals you have as a Christian?
I don't Christian bash, I call bull**** when I see it, read it, or hear it. As far as establishing proof? You asked for verses....I gave them to you.....what have you added?
You mis-interpreted the meaning and "its a secret."
Prove enough for you I guess, but "No Cigar."
that begs irrational rationalization than a question. Grammatically , it is a disaster.
" When you make a statement. As, all live begins at conception. Then you deal with the implications of the claim that you make."
No period after statement, no capital A in as," all live begins... live ? No period after conception , "Then you deal with the implications of the claim that you make". What ? What is implied ? Who is NOT dealing with WHAT ?
" If you say that God takes all aborted babies to heaven, then you equally have to answer to your claim. " I would answer if I knew what the question was . If you
want to debate the abortion issue , just ask the question " Abortion , Yes,No and
Why " and let the debate begin. If you are trying to impress yourself or someone
else, learn proper grammar, spelling and question structure.
Being a male, why does the abortion arguement bother you, period ? The
fact that a beating heart is stopped is against the laws of man.
As for the rest of your obsenity laced tirade... whatever.
The statement is the basis for your question and since there were no
options to answer by , yes that is my answer .Context matters.
Did you like the run on with no period? LOL
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Apparently you lack something mentally.