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If a group of homosexuals raped and murdered a straight white man, shouldn't there be a hate crime law to protect the straight white man?

Marie/M2M2K™-#1ConservativeGuru 2011/04/23 17:38:54
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We have hate crime laws that protect gays and other minorities. My contention is that hate crime laws are not necessary to begin with because crime is crime, murder is murder, and it's certainly not an act of love no matter who is involved.

People tout equal protection under the law. But is it REALLY equal?
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  • keeper 2011/04/23 17:48:47
    Yes because
    keeper
    +15
    Without a doubt... aren't "straight white men" becoming a minority? Please protect us from those haters!!

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  • NekoChan JadedBa... 2011/04/24 04:19:31
    NekoChan
    +1
    You said it all. And quite nicely, I must add. ^-^
  • Leinad 2011/04/24 04:00:26
    Yes because
    Leinad
    +3
    What you presented are exactly the same sentiments I have regarding the issue, and violence is not violence of LOVE, but usually HATE.., GOOD ONE and GOOD POINTS.
  • NidStyles 2011/04/24 04:00:21
    No because
    NidStyles
    +3
    There's already laws that cover that.
  • onabeach 2011/04/24 03:45:26
    Yes because
    onabeach
    +3
    Yes, if there was a problem with homosexuals targeting heterosexuals, that would need to be address with hate crime laws, that is the purpose in the first place; if well enforced they can quickly check crimes from victimizing large amounts of a certain group. Such as when many Germans started harassing Turkish immigrants and in response aggressive and strict enforcement of hate crime laws quickly nipped the problem in the bud, vastly contrasting with ongoing problems with immigrants in neighbors without hate crime legislation.

    Even with native-born groups in our country, ineffective legal protection of targeted groups led to very destructive situations like Rodney King riots when police beat him, and then got off. Hate crimes are very destructive for societies, whether straight on gay or gay on straight
  • Willie onabeach 2011/04/24 05:32:16
    Willie
    +1
    Heterosexuals are protected by law from hate crimes against them by homosexuals. If you're grateful for that, you can thank President Obama, who enacted that law.
  • Steve 2011/04/24 03:38:47
    No because
    Steve
    +2
    all crimes against others to that extent are done out of hate, so to deem that a hate crime would be pointless.
  • Sammich{♥} 2011/04/24 03:14:38
    No because
    Sammich{♥}
    +3
    Most people in this world wouldn't give a rat's a$$ if a gay man was killed by a straight person? I am not gay myself, but I support gay people. All Im saying is, everyone wouldn't do the same for a gay man.
  • Alex Sammich{♥} 2011/04/24 03:21:17 (edited)
    Alex
    +2
    And there are plenty out there that wouldn't do jack squat for a straight and WHITE man.

    Note that I am straight but not white.
  • Sammich{♥} Alex 2011/04/30 05:23:33
    Sammich{♥}
    I'm not making this a race statement. I am not racist at all. I guess that what i am trying to say is that just beacuse the person is gay, doesn't mean that they should get more punishment. A crime is a crime.
  • Alex Sammich{♥} 2011/04/30 07:29:32
    Alex
    No one said anything about forcing more punishment on gays. But like you said, a crime is a crime. So, shouldn't there be a law against hate crimes on white men if there are laws against hate crimes on minorities?
  • Sammich{♥} Alex 2011/05/05 21:56:56
    Sammich{♥}
    +1
    I just disagree on the hate crime in general.
  • Seiryuu 2011/04/24 03:00:51
    Undecided
    Seiryuu
    +2
    Did they rape and murder him because he was white and/or straight or just for the lulz?

    If they did so because of his race/sexuality, then yes, it would be a hate crime. And while I feel "hate crime" is somewhat of a misnomer, I'd like to point out that not all crimes are hate. Well, not always by the perpetrator.
  • Winnel 2011/04/24 02:55:13
  • Texas Johnny 2011/04/24 02:52:03
    No because
    Texas Johnny
    +3
    Many will just call it : PAYBACK. As sad as that may sound. This is the problem I have with any "hate crime" laws. The law automatically makes the assumption that only white , straight males are capable of a hate crime. It is not written in the law, of course, but the presumption is there. Even if the "gay" criminals recorded their crime, from the planning to its commission and put it on the web, they could find a sympathetic jury who would look at them as the victims of hundreds of years of persecution and see the white straight victim as the perpetrator. That's the PC world created by liberals!
  • Willie Texas J... 2011/04/24 05:34:56
    Willie
    There are also places where an unsympathetic jury could be found, and a fair trial never held. Ask the thousands of black men who faced all white juries in the Jim Crow south.

    Luckily, though, our hate crime laws work both ways. They do not assume, as you implied, that only whites are capable of hate crime. Straight, white males are protected just the same as anyone else from crimes against them based on their gender, sexual orientation or race.
  • Texas J... Willie 2011/04/24 18:12:17
    Texas Johnny
    +1
    So if you killed a man because he was gay, does that mean they kill you twice?
  • Tithead 2011/04/24 02:44:42
    No because
    Tithead
    +3
    there shouldn't be hate crime laws. at all.
  • Jackie Tithead 2011/04/24 03:37:00
    Jackie
    +4
    I know.....when you really think about it, the term "hate crime" is an oxymoron because ALL crimes no matter the crime are fueled by HATE, period.
  • Marie/M... Jackie 2011/04/24 04:04:43
  • mach-1 BL-106 2011/04/24 02:42:22
    Yes because
    mach-1  BL-106
    +4
    Yes ...Of course there should be.....
    Will there be? NO
    The liberals have destroyed that chance by making the white man the villian in everything.
  • Willie mach-1 ... 2011/04/24 05:36:57
    Willie
    There already are. Hate crime laws permit federal prosecution of anyone who "willingly injures, intimidates or interferes with another person, or attempts to do so, by force because of the other person's race, color, religion or national origin." Including attmepts to injure a straight, white, Christian male.
  • GhostZer0 2011/04/24 02:36:00 (edited)
    None of the above
    GhostZer0
    There are no Federal Laws to Protect Homosexuals only State Laws. The law is the law and a crime is a crime but the State Laws for these cases add enhancers to sentencing and it has to be proven that without a doubt this was done because of discrimination, bigotry, racism, sexism, stupidity, ect.
  • Willie GhostZer0 2011/04/24 05:39:07
    Willie
    +1
    Incorrect. President Obama signed the Matthew Shepard Act, expanding federal hate crime law to include crimes motivated by a victim's actual or perceived gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability. This, by the way, also protects straight people from crimes committed against them on the basis of their being perceived as straight.
  • GhostZer0 Willie 2011/04/24 05:59:48
    GhostZer0
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  • urwutuis 2011/04/24 02:30:20
    None of the above
    urwutuis
    +2
    If he was already raped and murdered isn't it a little late for protection?
  • Marie/M... urwutuis 2011/04/24 10:51:00
  • urwutuis Marie/M... 2011/04/24 14:45:19
    urwutuis
    Not being able to take a joke even more so.
  • Marie/M... urwutuis 2011/04/24 17:39:34
  • BT 2011/04/24 02:06:24
    None of the above
    BT
    There already is a hate crime law that protects ANY identifiable group from persecution based on race, gender, sexuality, religion, etc. If this group targeted this man because he was a straight white man, then they should be charged with a hate crime.
    Stop whining like a little baby, the world isn't out to get white people. Laws protect everyone, not just transgendered liberal Muslim amputees.
  • The Gov... BT 2011/04/24 02:19:58
    The Govenor
    +3
    So based on your statements, why do these groups need "special" laws just for them?
  • BT The Gov... 2011/04/24 03:03:09 (edited)
    BT
    +1
    Based on my statements they don't. Read the law. It says nothing about gay, straight, white, black, Muslim or any other group. People think they have "special" laws because they want to go on believing there's a queer conspiracy going on.
  • Jackie BT 2011/04/24 03:51:16
    Jackie
    +2
    Then why the need for a "hate crime" law??? All crimes are committed when someone is filled with rage and hate. Why should there be a special classification that a certain crime committed was because the person HATED this group or that group?? Serial killers always target a certain race/gender etc...in the past we didn't need to classify those murders as "hate crimes" because COMMON SENSE told us that they were HATE CRIMES because again, ALL crimes are committed by those who hate!
  • BT Jackie 2011/04/24 05:04:00
    BT
    If a serial killer were to be shown to want to kill ALL Asians, or that ALL Asians were deserving of death, then yes it would be a hate crime. However most serial killers fetishize their victims, thereby 'preferring' them as collectible in some way. It's a sort of veneration. In their own twisted and evil way, most serial killers could be shown to 'like' the profile they choose for their victims. The two motives are different, and more complex than just love or hate.
    I hope I was able to explain that well in such a brief comment.
  • Jackie BT 2011/04/24 05:36:29
    Jackie
    +1
    No you didn't explain it in a way that made sense to me where we need laws classifying certain crimes as hate crimes, since I believe all crimes are hate crimes. I believe that the "hate crime" law was nothing more than a politically motivated law by the left to draw attention to their "cause". Thus drawing MORE attention when someone homosexual was killed just because they were a homosexual? Yes, I do believe that there are those ignorant minority out there in our country who would kill a person just because they were homosexual, but they're the MINORITY, and there is more of a MAJORITY of KILLERS who kill everyone else!!!
  • Willie Jackie 2011/04/24 05:43:48
    Willie
    It isn't necessary to have those laws, but they do serve a purpose. Often times local bias will prevent the fair and complete prosecution of a case. Say a black man killed a white man in a predominately black community. A jury of his peers might acquit the man because of their shared race (O.J., anyone?). Once acquitted, the man cannot be tried again for the same crime (murder).

    If there was any indication that racism was involved, the fed can step in and try the man for a different crime - civil rights violation (hate crime).

    I have mixed feelings about it, because while it prevents local jurisdictions from letting those who share their biases off with a wink, it does border on charging people with thought crime.
  • Jackie Willie 2011/04/24 06:04:37
    Jackie
    +1
    I get what you're saying. BUT those in our judicial system shouldn't have to also be mind readers to try and "figure out" which crime is now a hate crime and which crime is not???? ALL who commit crimes have hate within them.
  • Willie Jackie 2011/04/24 06:13:44
    Willie
    That might be true, but the purpose (I believe) of hate crime legislation is not to punish thought, or speech, but to close a possible loophole through which a criminal could escape punishment.

    Usually the courts require evidence of an actual statement of hate that took place during the crime in order to convict of a hate crime - circumstantial evidence doesn't cut it. So there is no mind-reading involved.
  • Jackie Willie 2011/04/29 05:03:21
    Jackie
    +1
    How would a criminal "escape" punishment if we don't have hate crime laws"?? Your position is that the courts "require evidence" of an actual "statement of hate" that took place during the crime?? Come on you know that's just a crazy ass "thought process" contrived by the far left to "prove" that when a random crime is committed against a gay person it MUST be because that person was gay?? We all know with common sense know there are those scumbags who target people because they're gay.. but I'm also cognizant enough to know that there are MORE criminals who target ANYONE regardless of their race, gender or religion.
  • BT Jackie 2011/04/24 12:56:11
    BT
    The ignorant minority who kill BECAUSE of someone's race, gender, religion, sexuality, etc. Kill for a much more sinister reason than misanthropy, they kill for what it legally defined as 'hate.' Laws don't care what your or my definition of 'hate' is, they have their own 'legal' definition. That's why we need lawyers to figure it all out.
    Hate crime laws were first drafted in the US to protect people from being hunted down and hung by the neck from trees by gangs of jeering people, simply because of the color of their skin.
    To say that reporting that someone was murdered BECAUSE of something integral to their physical being or belief system does not make them a martyr for some 'cause.' Esp, if there is no such 'cause.'
    Hate crime laws aren't just in place to protect the groups YOU don't agree with, they're there to protect YOU as well.
    Killing out of vengeance or misanthropy (unless it's general misanthropy) is an attack on ONE person. Killing out of hate is an attack on MANY people. Rhys the LEGAL definition, since 1964, and unless you're a politician bent on ruining your own career, you're not going to change that.
  • Jackie BT 2011/04/29 06:42:02
    Jackie
    +1
    Really?? According to YOU the "Hate Crime Law" was first drafted in the US to protect people from being HUNTED DOWN AND HUNG BY THE NECK FROM TREES BY GANGS OF JEERING PEOPLE SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN" ??? Are you really that clueless about America's history or are you that "progressive" where you don't have a clue? Do you even know that the Republican Party was formed by Abraham Lincoln because he HAD ENOUGH of the intolerant DEMOCRATS who thought their "negro slaves" shouldn't have any RIGHTS. Did you know that?? Do you even know that it was Eisenhower, a dreaded REPUBLICAN for you loons, who was the President who put forth the Civil Rights agenda that was FINALLY enacted under LBJ only because of the pressure from the majority of the so called "intolerant right" .Did YOU know that JFK was the President who initiated America's involvement in Vietnam? JFK sent soldiers like my dad(who was a Sargent back then in Marines ) to Vietnam for what???

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