If a Debt Deal Isn't Reached by August 2, Do You Fear the Consequences?
Gil Kaufman
2011/07/30 11:00:00
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Every week there's a new thing that could mean the end of the world as we know it that sends us into a frenzy.
Maybe you've already forgotten about the dreaded Y2K virus that turned out to be much ado about nothing, despite the billions people spent making bomb shelters in their backyards and updating their computers to avoid a meltdown. There was the SARS virus that never turned into the black plague as advertised.
And just this year we've had two false alarms on judgment day and, a few weeks ago, Los Angeles' Carmageddon, a catastrophe that never materialized when a stretch of the 405 freeway was shut down for repairs. Pardon us if we're a bit jaded by these "catastrophic" threats.
Now we are just days away from the true final countdown: the debt ceiling. For months we've heard about the dire consequences that will come if Congress fails to raise the debt ceiling for the 75th time since 1962. The deadline came and went on May 16, and then was pushed back several more times until August 2.
Even as Congress scrambles to make that deadline, some in Washington are saying that Tuesday's drop dead has some fudge room and could be a week earlier then true Armageddon. And as both sides dug in over the past few weeks – with President Obama and Democrats refusing to sign off on a plan that had cuts but no new revenue and Republicans preemptively blowing off any talk of a compromise that includes tax increases for millionaire hedge fund managers and oil companies – news channels raised the fears of a global meltdown that would make the last global meltdown look like a picnic by comparison.
What will happen if we blow the deadline?
-- The Treasury Dept. won't be able to pay between 40-45 percent of the 80 million payments it needs to make every month.
-- Millions of active-duty soldiers, veterans and government workers won't be paid, and taxpayer refunds won't go out, while Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security checks will still go out and interest on the debt will be paid.
-- Oh yeah, world markets will go into a massive meltdown as stocks melt down – the Dow Jones was down four days in a row this week – while rates on consumer loans on everything from mortgages to cars, will also skyrocket.
-- The U.S.'s reputation as the world's economic engine will be trashed as our credit rating is downgraded.
Unless none of that happens and this is all another manufactured drama meant to whee-whee up the party's respective bases.
Remember the eleventh hour budget deal from a few months ago?
Neither party has any incentive to be the one that causes the destruction of economic life as we know it, even if it means pissing off its base. This won't happen because it can't happen.
But what might happen is that Republican House Speaker John Boehner will be so mortally wounded by the upstart Tea Party caucus' rejection of his compromise that he could lose his leadership position and President Obama could finally expose the GOP as not just the Party of No, but the Party of No Clue. As in, they have no clue how to lead or how to be caretakers of our nation's financial security.
Ponder this. In his two decades in Congress, Boehner has voted to raise the federal debt ceiling five times, with almost no complaints. Since 2002, in four out of five of those instances he voted to raise it by more than $800 billion. All told, he's voted to raise it by $4 trillion over five year, or the amount the Obama administration is trying to trim the deficit by over the next decade. "So, what's different now? That's right, there's a Democrat in the White House," Cincinnati's CityBeat weekly noted.
You can be sure that a band-aid compromise will be worked out at the final minute that will allow both sides to save face and kick the can down the road for another 10 months.
That's what we should be afraid of. Now's the time for decisive, earthshaking action, not half measures. So don't worry, the sky's not falling … this time.
But next time…
Maybe you've already forgotten about the dreaded Y2K virus that turned out to be much ado about nothing, despite the billions people spent making bomb shelters in their backyards and updating their computers to avoid a meltdown. There was the SARS virus that never turned into the black plague as advertised.
And just this year we've had two false alarms on judgment day and, a few weeks ago, Los Angeles' Carmageddon, a catastrophe that never materialized when a stretch of the 405 freeway was shut down for repairs. Pardon us if we're a bit jaded by these "catastrophic" threats.
Now we are just days away from the true final countdown: the debt ceiling. For months we've heard about the dire consequences that will come if Congress fails to raise the debt ceiling for the 75th time since 1962. The deadline came and went on May 16, and then was pushed back several more times until August 2.
Even as Congress scrambles to make that deadline, some in Washington are saying that Tuesday's drop dead has some fudge room and could be a week earlier then true Armageddon. And as both sides dug in over the past few weeks – with President Obama and Democrats refusing to sign off on a plan that had cuts but no new revenue and Republicans preemptively blowing off any talk of a compromise that includes tax increases for millionaire hedge fund managers and oil companies – news channels raised the fears of a global meltdown that would make the last global meltdown look like a picnic by comparison.
What will happen if we blow the deadline?
-- The Treasury Dept. won't be able to pay between 40-45 percent of the 80 million payments it needs to make every month.
-- Millions of active-duty soldiers, veterans and government workers won't be paid, and taxpayer refunds won't go out, while Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security checks will still go out and interest on the debt will be paid.
-- Oh yeah, world markets will go into a massive meltdown as stocks melt down – the Dow Jones was down four days in a row this week – while rates on consumer loans on everything from mortgages to cars, will also skyrocket.
-- The U.S.'s reputation as the world's economic engine will be trashed as our credit rating is downgraded.
Unless none of that happens and this is all another manufactured drama meant to whee-whee up the party's respective bases.
Remember the eleventh hour budget deal from a few months ago?
Neither party has any incentive to be the one that causes the destruction of economic life as we know it, even if it means pissing off its base. This won't happen because it can't happen.
But what might happen is that Republican House Speaker John Boehner will be so mortally wounded by the upstart Tea Party caucus' rejection of his compromise that he could lose his leadership position and President Obama could finally expose the GOP as not just the Party of No, but the Party of No Clue. As in, they have no clue how to lead or how to be caretakers of our nation's financial security.
Ponder this. In his two decades in Congress, Boehner has voted to raise the federal debt ceiling five times, with almost no complaints. Since 2002, in four out of five of those instances he voted to raise it by more than $800 billion. All told, he's voted to raise it by $4 trillion over five year, or the amount the Obama administration is trying to trim the deficit by over the next decade. "So, what's different now? That's right, there's a Democrat in the White House," Cincinnati's CityBeat weekly noted.
You can be sure that a band-aid compromise will be worked out at the final minute that will allow both sides to save face and kick the can down the road for another 10 months.
That's what we should be afraid of. Now's the time for decisive, earthshaking action, not half measures. So don't worry, the sky's not falling … this time.
But next time…






















Refusal to raise the debt ceiling will require cutting spending in a big way. How the various financial markets will react to refusal to raise the debt ceiling is unknown therefore predicting how much time needed to recover or how much fear we will have to overcome is impossible to predict One thing for certain, not raising the debt ceiling will provide the best outcome for our posterity.
Best Wishes,
Bcounted.
PLEASE read and forward to all your e-mail contacts! This is getting serious!
Dear Mr. President, Congress, and Senate;
I heard you say you will not guarantee Social Security checks if the debt ceiling isn't raised. Why do your scare tactics always relate to Social Security, Medicare, & our Soldiers pay? Why use Seniors, Soldiers, the Sick and the Disabled as hostages? Why not threaten to stop payments to your staff and yourself, Congress and the Senate? Why not say you will take away the retirement benefits and the medical benefits of all the government officials and employees? That would save much more money for our country!!! Why not withhold all payments to our enemies? Why not defund the United Nations? Why not abolish all the wasteful programs designed to give benefits to the undeserving? Just think how much money you could save our country! Instead of threatening to withhold Soldiers pay, Veterans Benefits, Social Security Benefits, and Disability Benefits from those who really have no power to make immediate changes in the debt ceiling, why not hold the paychecks of all government officials--those in the White House, the House of Representatives & the Senate, then see how fast the debt ceiling crisis...&
PLEASE read and forward to all your e-mail contacts! This is getting serious!
Dear Mr. President, Congress, and Senate;
I heard you say you will not guarantee Social Security checks if the debt ceiling isn't raised. Why do your scare tactics always relate to Social Security, Medicare, & our Soldiers pay? Why use Seniors, Soldiers, the Sick and the Disabled as hostages? Why not threaten to stop payments to your staff and yourself, Congress and the Senate? Why not say you will take away the retirement benefits and the medical benefits of all the government officials and employees? That would save much more money for our country!!! Why not withhold all payments to our enemies? Why not defund the United Nations? Why not abolish all the wasteful programs designed to give benefits to the undeserving? Just think how much money you could save our country! Instead of threatening to withhold Soldiers pay, Veterans Benefits, Social Security Benefits, and Disability Benefits from those who really have no power to make immediate changes in the debt ceiling, why not hold the paychecks of all government officials--those in the White House, the House of Representatives & the Senate, then see how fast the debt ceiling crisis is resolved!!!!! We will be watching for your next press conference or address to the nation to make this public announcement. Think what it would do for your presidential campaign!!! If you agree, repost this & keep it going across the whole USA .
YES INDEED I TOTALLY AGREE!!!!
The media has created a crisis without educating the people.
Nothing will happen... unless President Obama decides to not pay the debt and Social Security.
Obama has the sole discretion as to which bills the federal government (Treasury department) pays.
The feds take in nearly $200 billion each month -- they only need to spend $29 billion on debt.
This will signal a continuation of the failed policy of BIG GOVERNMENT.
We need to cut spending and put caps on future spending.
was and is happening to US but its business as usual for them and its largest clients.
Also, as for the moron who wrote the summary for this poll... "Millions of active-duty soldiers, veterans and government workers won't be paid..." You are increasing fear mongering. The treasury has a contingency plan in place for this possibility. This is drastically unlikely.
Number 1 - Obama & Co " Kicked This Can Down The Road " since last year ..... WHY ?
BLAME ! .......... He " needed " the republicans to blame for this . He had Full Control of congress last year and could have rammed it through with very little trouble but needed a villian for his re election in 2012 .
Number 2 - " EXTORTION of the elderly and disabled " . He offers NOTHING in the way of a plan or even an idea ( he is MIA , Missing In Action ) and has No Plan ! His Party the Dems. have become the Party Of NO ! They ( and Obama ) threaten with " Dead On Arrival " and " Don't Bother " because we will not even look at it . Obama threatens a " VETO " if he don't get his way.
Now we get to the EXTORTION part . He goes on TV to " THREATEN OLD PEOPLE " thinking that they will flood the phone lines in his favor ................... DIDN'T WORK ! It backfired and 40,000 + calls , angry callers were pissed !
This is TYPICAL OBAMA SMOKE & MIRRORS ! The American People are getting wise to him ( at least most are ) and I feel I am in the middle of a Circus .
Another phony crisis invented by the socialists to scare us into giving them several trillion more of OUR dollars.
F@CK them.
We battle-staters have to stick together.
The issue is that each day we dig ourself deeper in debt.
Eventually there will be a collapse; of this, we can be sure! There will be a price to pay for all this over-the-top spending. It happens in individual families and it will happen to governments too. The US keeps printing money; it is a game but eventually that game will run it's course.
Do I fear the consequences? No...but the consequences for everyone (even those who caused this mess) is definately on the horizon.
WHY is this " dispicable human being " being allowed to threaten old people and the disabled ? This is FRAUD !
That being said ...I agree there is plenty of capital to meet the needs of the people and this "show" is to shake up people to scare them into seeing the situation the dems way.
Most people are aware of these tactics (at least the people I know). They are from all philosophies and different strata so as a group most are oh so disgusted with all these "playground" tactics.
The part that really bugs me is that these individuals do not believe that the common citizen sees through this wacky behavior. In the end ....the biggest losers will be those who tried to play this game.
The sad part is that unlike the Titanic we can stil save this ship. We would just rather fight for space on the lifeboats instead.
Instead we have gamesmanship by our two ruling parties on how to figure out the best way to make the other guys look responsible and irresponsible.
But no, some deal with get done. I hope it is the short term one to cover this budget year and they do next year's budget properly with a debt ceiling agreement. If not I hope that Obama does invoke the 14th amendment scam.
By the way, if you believe the 14th amendment as it applies to federal debts then we should impeach every congressman and any executives that voted for or signed a budget that authorized expenditures this year in excess of our ability to pay given the debt ceiling in place at the time.
We should not be in the place we are today with $14 trillion in debt and no honorable political parties.
I don't know about y'all, but I want an increase in taxes and interest rate both at the same time. Taxes will have to raise to pay off the debt, but a interest rate hike is avoidable.