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I Was Called Racist in School Because I said....

Trish 2012/07/07 18:12:06
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We read a book by Toni Morrison which was really good by the way called The Bluest Eye. Later in English class we had a discussion about how African Americans may not like who they are because of a standard that people want pretty blue eyes and long straight hair.

Someone mentioned the, "blame the white man," and I went off. See I am very much into debating and I believe that we shouldnt be so focused on race and racism as much anymore as we used to. We should forgive, not always forget and go on our way not blaming the past for our future misfortunes. If that makes sense.

Basically I said, "stop blaming some white figure for your issues! If you want to make a name for yourself and become what you want to be or do what you want to do, take responsibility for your actions and stop blaming other people for your faults!" They brought up these great figures in class and I told them, "Rosa Parks wasnt looking to start a revolution, she was a tired woman who just needed to sit down. Yeah she was tired of the shit going on but she could care less about a revolution. Suddenly we make her into a big hero like Rodney King supposedly is, who started the car chase, simply because she was tired???"

It's freaking 2012. MLK didnt go on a march and put himself in danger so we could still complain about our issues today. He went so we could get a chance and be on our way to success not be on our way to more bullshit and cries of, "OMG Zimmerman shot Trayvon so he could get away with killing a black guy!" Yeah we even went into Trayvon Martin thats how off track we got into this conversation.

Am I wrong? Am I screwed up a little? Or Am I right?

DO YOU GET WHAT I MEAN!!!!???
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  • BookishBetty 2013/02/02 00:49:36
    Your Screwed Up In The Head Lady...
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    The "survey" listed above requires me to select an answer and then only offers an insulting response if you want to disagree, as I do. In other words, my response to the question of whether you are right or not is No, but not because of any mental deficiency, unless ignorance of the way history, social life, and the creation of ideology functions is a deficiency.

    You are wrong because your response to the classroom discussion was to deny the importance and impact of history on how people are situated and act in the present moment. In NO other context - not in psychology, science, religion, etc... - Nowhere else in life do people pretend as if the past has no effect on the present except with regards to Black people in America. Everywhere else in life people know that what has come before effects what is happening now, whether its a scientific experiment/evolution, Jesus dying on the cross for our sins, people abused when young children ending up a mess, or the Grand Canyon created by the shifting of tectonic plates and the erosion by water.

    Additionally you are wrong because ideas take a long time to develop and become a part of the way we think. 'American As Apple Pie' didn't become a part of our national catchphrases overnight, and neither did our thoughts about differen...



    The "survey" listed above requires me to select an answer and then only offers an insulting response if you want to disagree, as I do. In other words, my response to the question of whether you are right or not is No, but not because of any mental deficiency, unless ignorance of the way history, social life, and the creation of ideology functions is a deficiency.

    You are wrong because your response to the classroom discussion was to deny the importance and impact of history on how people are situated and act in the present moment. In NO other context - not in psychology, science, religion, etc... - Nowhere else in life do people pretend as if the past has no effect on the present except with regards to Black people in America. Everywhere else in life people know that what has come before effects what is happening now, whether its a scientific experiment/evolution, Jesus dying on the cross for our sins, people abused when young children ending up a mess, or the Grand Canyon created by the shifting of tectonic plates and the erosion by water.

    Additionally you are wrong because ideas take a long time to develop and become a part of the way we think. 'American As Apple Pie' didn't become a part of our national catchphrases overnight, and neither did our thoughts about different races. And just as food coloring may disperse throughout a large amount of water and be only slightly seen but still the chemicals are in there, so too a lot of ideas do not require people to "focus" on them to still be circulated through culture and still have an effect.

    Why do I say all this? Because history DOES matter. There are problems with how and why we categorize some people as attractive and some people as unattractive, and those reasons are the result of a history of colonization and violence that resulted in one standard of beauty as being acceptable and good. And its not the fault of people who are oppressed by the ideas in society that say they are unattractive for being oppressed. If you tell anyone something over and over again in a million different ways, they will be influenced by it - just like women all thinking they need to weight two pounds to be pretty.

    Expecting the little Black girl in The Bluest Eye to "figure out her issues" as you commanded she do in your class is like expecting the entire flow of history to no longer flow simply because you command it to. Change does not happen that way in any system whether its chemical reactions catalyzed in laboratories or the movement of glaciers down the sides of mountains or how our social world effects how people feel about themselves.
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  • Party of One 2012/07/09 04:19:56
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    You're very right; history's part in racism is obvious but it's not a card worth playing with me. I'm so freakin' sick of the color issue it's not funny because of its mindless properties and lack of vaildation to real issues.

    You gave some very intelligent feedback to the issue and the ones who didn't get it are the ones who are the problem. Very applaudable, Trish ;) Btw, I read the book and thought it had some general merit.
  • Marlene Wilkins 2012/07/08 01:50:47
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    At the end of the day, I don't care what color your skin in, I care how you treat others as a Human being. The melanin content in your skin doesn't make you better or worse than anyone else any more than the color of your neighbour's car makes him good or evil. Right?
  • JanHopkins 2012/07/08 01:07:45
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    There is not that big of percentage of white people with blue eyes so I find that arguement to be supercilious anyway.
  • Ozzyboy 2012/07/07 20:42:45
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    Ozzyboy
    We don't seem to be allowed to debate on facts anymore. It's more of a "we won" mentality and any discussion to the contrary is vehemently discouraged. I think you should be allowed to speak your mind because your opinion is valid. You be told your facts are wrong but your opinion can't be wrong.
  • TasselLady 2012/07/07 18:41:18 (edited)
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    But the danger with debates is that they are often uncontrolled, and then you end up saying things that normally you wouldn't say, or say something that comes out wrong. How you say something in a debate is just as importrant if not more important than WHAT you say. I found that out many times. If it comes out the wrong way the first time there is no way you can take it back.
  • Flor de Luna 2012/07/07 18:38:38
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    Flor de Luna
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    Problem is racism still exists.What you've said would be fine and dandy if racism didn't still occur in this world.A black person can make a name for himself(or herself),become what they want,take responsibility for their actions,and STILL be treated as inferior because they are black.
  • Party o... Flor de... 2012/07/09 04:24:30 (edited)
    Party of One
    And reverse racism exists in the Black man's world for the Whites, presenting all things fair, etc., etc *sigh* This example Trish expressed was a classroom discussion that should have been addressed directly to the teacher but wasn't, and that gives a lot of room for issues going off-track and becoming arguments. Classroom discussions should include interaction with the teacher, only, and debates should be rule-based formality with a moderator where issues being debated are argued with an opponent on that panel.
  • dandieselonian 2012/07/07 18:18:00
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    Theres an inner voice that says "dont say that dummy" always listen for that voice .

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