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I just read a comment by a self-admitted "lifelong" conservative Republican SH, that to make an assertion that no one was killed by Nixon's "dirty tricks" related to Watergate ( as compared to Fast & Furious) is "not exactly true"...Agree or disagree?

Howler 2012/06/24 19:03:31
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This particular "conservative Republican" is a consistent supporter of the Obama administration with his commentary across the Sodahead site.

He also asserts that Watergate was a much worse crime than any crime thus far alleged, or even known, relative to Fast & Furious -- even if MASS MURDER is undoubtedly one of those crimes.

He makes the claim that multiple murders as a result of Fast & Furious is less serious than an attempt to undermine the "U.S. process" as he asserts was the case with Watergate.

He believes history will view Fast & Furious as a comparable scandal to the Lewinsky scandal, and one that will give a negative historical view of Republicans.

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  • Elleryqueen 2012/06/24 19:08:03
    I DO NOT believe that someone may have been killed because of, or related to,...
    Elleryqueen
    +27
    Watergate was a fairy tale compared to what has been going on for the last 3 plus years.

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  • gldynmd... Howler 2012/06/24 19:54:17
    gldynmd BTO-t-BCRA-F
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    Thank you Howler.
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  • Yankee Traveler 2012/06/24 19:30:08 (edited)
    I believe that someone may have been killed because of, or related to, the Wa...
    Yankee Traveler
    +3
    MAY have been killed 30 people all sorta suspicious deaths:

    What are the odds of 30 people — all involved in the same horrible scandal — dying within four years?
    Because that's what happened with Watergate.
    Since the break-in at the Democratic National Headquarters on June 17, 1972, there have been 30 deaths — many of them violent — all of people involved in one way or another.
    The odds are at least 100,000,000,000,000,000 to one. (One hundred million billion to one.)
    An actuary of the London Sunday Times worked out that figure after witnesses in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy died within four years of his death.
    Now Watergate has surpassed even that violence.

    1. Beverly Kaye, 42, died of a "massive stroke" in December, 1973, while riding in the White House elevator. She was Secret Service agent John Bull's secretary and her job included the actual storing and preservation of the White House tapes.

    It is almost without question, says Mae Brussell, that she knew what was on those tapes, including the 18 minutes of recorded conversations which were mysteriously erased.

    As reported in the West Coast news service, "Earth News," on June 5, 1974, from the stories she told her friends and neighbors, she was convinced that the president and his aide...











































































































































    MAY have been killed 30 people all sorta suspicious deaths:

    What are the odds of 30 people — all involved in the same horrible scandal — dying within four years?
    Because that's what happened with Watergate.
    Since the break-in at the Democratic National Headquarters on June 17, 1972, there have been 30 deaths — many of them violent — all of people involved in one way or another.
    The odds are at least 100,000,000,000,000,000 to one. (One hundred million billion to one.)
    An actuary of the London Sunday Times worked out that figure after witnesses in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy died within four years of his death.
    Now Watergate has surpassed even that violence.

    1. Beverly Kaye, 42, died of a "massive stroke" in December, 1973, while riding in the White House elevator. She was Secret Service agent John Bull's secretary and her job included the actual storing and preservation of the White House tapes.

    It is almost without question, says Mae Brussell, that she knew what was on those tapes, including the 18 minutes of recorded conversations which were mysteriously erased.

    As reported in the West Coast news service, "Earth News," on June 5, 1974, from the stories she told her friends and neighbors, she was convinced that the president and his aides were involved in the Watergate bugging and cover-up.

    2. Murray Chotiner, a long-time friend of Nixon's was killed when a government truck ran into his car on January 23, 1974. At first it was reported that Chotiner suffered only a broken leg, but he died a week later.

    According to a March 31, 1973 article in the Los Angeles Times, Chotiner may have been one of the people who received the tape recordings made inside the Democratic campaign headquarters in the Watergate building.

    3. William Mills, the Congressman from Maryland, was found shot to death — an apparent suicide — one day after it was disclosed that he failed to report a $25,000 campaign contribution given to him by President Nixon's re-election finance committee. Mills, 48, was discovered with a 12-gauge shotgun by his feet and an "alleged suicide note" pinned to his body. In all, seven such notes were found, apparently written by Mills, although this was never verified.

    According to Miss Brussell, the $25,000 came from the $1.7 million dollar secret fund for "dirty tricks" used by the Committee to Re-Elect the President.

    4. and 5. James Webster and James Glover, key men in Congressman Mills' campaign, were killed in a car accident in February of 1972. Another campaign worker stated in the Washington Post on May 23, 1973, that the illegal $25,000 contribution was delivered to Mills' campaign manager James Webster.

    6. Hale Boggs, the Congressman from Louisiana and a member of the Warren Commission, died in July of 1972, one month after the Watergate arrests. Boggs and two other men disappeared when the light aircraft in which they were flying crashed in Alaska.

    The Los Angeles Star, on November 22, 1973, reported that "Boggs had startling revelations on Watergate and the assassination of President Kennedy."

    Richard Nixon made some unintelligible remarks about Congressman Boggs which were recorded on the White House tapes, just seven days after the Watergate break-in.

    7. Dorothy Hunt, the wife of convicted White House "plumber" E. Howard Hunt, was killed, along with 41 other people, when United Airlines Flight 553 crashed near Chicago's Midway Airport on Dec. 8, 1972.

    Mrs. Hunt, who, like her husband, had worked for the CIA, was allegedly carrying $100,000 in "hush" money so her husband would not implicate White House officials in Watergate.

    The day after the crash, White House aide Egil (Bud) Krogh was appointed Undersecretary of Transportation, supervising the National Transportation Safety Board and the Federal Aviation Association — the two agencies charged with investigating the airline crash.

    A week later, Nixon's deputy assistant Alexander Butterfield was made the new head of the FAA, and five weeks later Dwight Chapin, the president's appointment secretary, was dispatched to Chicago to become a top executive with United Airlines.

    The airplane crash was blamed on equipment malfunctions.

    8. and 9. Ralph Blodgett and James Krueger, attorneys for Northern Natural Gas Co., were killed in the same airplane as Mrs. Hunt.

    The two men, Miss Brussell contends, had documents linking Attorney General John Mitchell to Watergate, and documents of a secret transfer of El Paso Natural Gas Co. stock made to Mitchell after the Justice Department dropped a $300 million anti-trust suit against the company.

    The money from these stocks may have been used for political espionage.

    Blodgett told friends before boarding the plane in Washington that he would "never live to get to Chicago."

    10. and 11. Dr. and Mrs. Gary Morris died in March of 1972 when their boat mysteriously disappeared off the Caribbean Island of St. Lucia. Their bodies were never found. But their names were on the dead body of Mrs. Dorothy Hunt, according to an article in the Oct. 3, 1975 Washington Post.

    "The plane crash that killed Mrs. Hunt in Chicago has now been officially ruled an accident," the story stated. "But there's one bizarre coincidence that may never be explained.

    "Her red wallet at the time of her death had a slip of paper with the name of a Washington psychiatrist, Dr. Gary Morris, on it."

    Neither Howard Hunt nor his wife were patients of the doctor, who was already dead at the time of the plane crash.

    It is interesting to note, Mae Brussell says, that Dr. Morris was an expert in hypnosis and that Mr. Hunt used "mind control" in his espionage work.

    12. J. Edgar Hoover, head of the FBI, died on May 1, 1972, a month before Watergate. There is considerable evidence that he may have known about the White House "dirty tricks."

    An article in the Harvard Crimson quotes Felipe De Diego, a Cuban exile who took part in the break-in at psychiatrist Daniel Ellsberg's office, as saying:

    "Two burglaries took place at Hoover's Washington home. The first was in the winter of 1972 to retrieve documents that might be used for blackmail against the White House.

    "After the first burglary," according to Diego, "a second burglary was carried out; this time, whether by design or misunderstanding, a poison, thyonphosphate genre, was placed in Hoover's personal toilet articles. Hoover died shortly after that."

    Thyonphosphate genre is a drug that induces heart seizures. Its presence in a corpse is undetectable without an autopsy. No autopsy was ever performed on the body of J. Edgar Hoover.

    13. Sam Giancana, the Mafia chief, was murdered on June 22, 1975, as he was about to testify before Sen. Frank Church's Senate Committee, investigating the use of underworld figures by the CIA, for the purpose of assassinating foreign leaders. Giancana had ties to E. Howard Hunt and the CIA.

    His murder is unsolved, although police say "it didn't look like a Mafia hit." His former girlfriend, Judith Campbell Exner recently revealed her secret romance with JFK.

    14. Lyndon Baines Johnson, the former president, died on January 20, 1973, in a helicopter ambulance en route to San Antonio, Tex.

    Three months before his death, Johnson was quoted in the San Francisco Chronicle as saying, "We've been running a damn Murder Inc. in the Caribbean." This was two years before Sen. Church's committee revealed the plots to assassinate foreign leaders.

    "Coincidentally," Mae Brussell says, "Johnson died in the arms of a secret service agent Mike Howard, who in 1963 had been assigned to protect Marina Oswald after her husband was killed."

    15. George Bell, assistant to Charles Colson, special counsel to the White House, died of unreported causes on June 30, 1973. When questioned about President Nixon's infamous "enemies list," Colson told the House Subcommittee Investigating Watergate that the "late George Bell" was responsible for the list of 200 celebrities and politicians whom the President considered dangerous.

    16. Lee Pennington, Jr., a CIA agent, died of an apparent heart attack in October of 1974. Immediately after the Watergate arrests two years earlier, he had been sent to ransack burglar James McCord's home. Richard Helms, the CIA chief at the time, did not reveal this fact to any investigators.

    It was not until June 28, 1974, four months before Pennington's death, that the new CIA director, William Colby, reported to Sen. Howard Baker:

    "The results of our investigation clearly show that the CIA had in its possession, as early as June, 1972, information that one of its paid operatives, Lee R. Pennington, Jr., had entered the James McCord residence shortly after the Watergate break-in and destroyed documents which might show a link between McCord and the CIA."

    17. J. Clifford Dieterich, a 28-year-old secret service agent assigned to Nixon, was killed when the president's helicopter crashed off the Bahamas in May of 1973.

    Dieterich was one of seven men in the helicopter, but the only one to die. Miss Brussell believes that in guarding Richard Nixon, he may have come to know too much.

    18. Clay Shaw, who years earlier had been acquitted of conspiracy to kill John F. Kennedy, died of a heart attack, on August 16, 1974.

    His death came just weeks after Victor Marchetti, author of "The Cult of Intelligence," revealed that Shaw had worked for the CIA. He had been on assignment in Mexico in 1963 at the same time as CIA agent E. Howard Hunt and Lee Harvey Oswald.

    Shaw was cremated. There was no autopsy.

    19. Merle D. Baumgart, an aide to Rep. Peter Rodino of the House Judiciary Committee on Impeachment, was killed in a traffic accident on May 20, 1975. Washington police described his death as "a routine traffic accident" — until they received an anonymous call to "look into it."

    According to the Portland Oregonian of June 30, 1975, U.S. agents joined the probe but kept it secret because of the "stature of some individuals who might be involved."

    Miss Brussell speculates that in his work to impeach Nixon, Baumgart may have come across some dangerous information.

    20. Nikos J. Vardinoyiannis, a Greek shipowner who contributed funds to Nixon's presidential campaign, died of undisclosed causes in 1973. Watergate prosecutor Leon Jaworski was investigating Vardinoyiannis when the Justice Department declared that the Greek's contribution of $27,000 was not illegal.

    The Department reached this conclusion, Mae Brussell says, even though the contribution was made after one of Vardinoyiannis' companies was contracted to supply fuel for the U.S. 6th Fleet, and even though federal law bars foreign contractors from contributing to U.S. political campaigns.

    21. Joseph Tomassi, the 24-year-old head of the American Nazi Party in California was shot to death on the front steps of his Los Angeles headquarters, on August 15, 1975.

    Two years earlier, the Los Angeles Times had reported that "the Committee to Re-Elect the President gave $10,000 in undisclosed funds to finance a surreptitious campaign to remove George Wallace's American Independent Party from the 1972 California ballot."

    The Times went on to say that "$1,200 of the fund found its way to Joe Tomassi, head of the Nazi Party in California."

    22. Mrs. Louise Boyer, Nelson Rockefeller's assistant for 30 years, fell to her death from a 10th story New York apartment on July 3, 1974.

    At the time, as a consequence of Watergate, Rockefeller was being considered for the vice-presidency. Accusations had been made that he had been involved in the illegal removal of gold from Ft. Knox. It's believed that Mrs. Boyer supplied the investigators with this information.

    23. Jose Joaquin Sangenis Perdimo, a Cuban exile who worked with the CIA at the Bay of Pigs, died mysteriously in 1974. Code-named "Felix," he had worked with Watergate plummers Hunt and Barker. In 1972 he was awarded a secret merit medal by the CIA.

    24. Rolando Masferrer, another Cuban exile employed by the CIA, was blown blown to bits when his car exploded on October 5, 1975. Masferrer had worked with "plummers" Hunt, Sturgis and Barker.

    According to Miss Brussell, "He would have been investigated for his activities in connection with assassination attempts on foreign leaders, had he not been killed."

    25. Lou Russell, an old friend of Nixon's from the "Red Scare" days, died of natural causes on July 31, 1973.

    In testimony before the Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, Nixon's secretary Rosemary Wood stated: "I met Lou Russell once when he came to the office. He said he worked on the old House Un-American Activity Committee and that he needed a job."

    Russell found a job alright, with "McCord Associates," a CIA front run by Watergater James McCord.

    26. Jack Cleveland, a partner of the president's brother Donald Nixon, died in Canada in November of 1973. At the time he was wanted for questioning in connection with a possible government pay-off to Howard Hughes.

    Cleveland was suspected of being a go-between in a deal whereby Nixon's brother gained an interest in a large Nevada ranch allegedly in exchange for the president's clearing the way for the billionaire's takeover of Air West.

    "When Watergate came apart," Miss Brussell says, "this deal came under investigation."

    27. Richard Lavoie, chief of security for International Telegraph and Telephone, died of a heart attack on December 27, 1972.

    At the time Lavoie was guarding Ditta Beard, an ITT secretary who claimed she had a memo that her company had contributed $400,000 to Nixon's campaign fund so that John Mitchell would not bust up some of ITT's holdings.

    When columnist Jack Anderson broke this story, Miss Beard was moved from Washington to Denver, Colo., where she was hospitalized for an apparent heart attack. She was whisked away, Anderson claimed, so that she couldn't testify.

    Miss Brussell suspects that Lovoie may have heard too much from Dita Beard.

    28. Mrs. Andrew Topping, the wife of a man arrested for plotting to kill Nixon, died of gunshot wounds on April 6, 1972, two weeks after the Watergate break-in. Her death was declared a suicide.

    Andrew Topping told police that "pro-rightist forces" beyond his control caused his wife's death.

    29. James Morton was President Gerald Ford's campaign treasurer. According to a New York Times report of November 2, 1973, Ford was being questioned by a senate committee prior to his appointment as vice president, and was asked about a secret sum of $38,000 used in his campaign for the House of Representatives.

    The Times story stated, "Ford confirmed under questioning that a committee organized in Washington raised $38,216 for his re-election in 1972... but Ford said he did not know the names of the donors because the committee treasurer, James G. Morton is now dead."

    Like so much of the Watergate money, Miss Brussell notes, no records were kept.

    30. Martha Mitchell, estranged wife of the former attorney general, died on Memorial Day, 1976. A constant "pain in the side" of the Watergate conspirators, she was the first person to point the finger at Richard Nixon and suggest he resign.
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  • Howler Yankee ... 2012/06/24 19:38:01
  • Yankee ... Howler 2012/06/24 22:39:33
    Yankee Traveler
    +1
    Of course!!! The only really notable one was Vince Foster, all the others fell through the cracks sorta speaking. I don't care who the president is/was all suspicious deaths due to possible cover ups need full exposure.
  • Pamela Yankee ... 2012/06/25 14:35:47 (edited)
    Pamela
    +1
    Vince Foster died under the Clinton administration.
  • Yankee ... Pamela 2012/06/25 21:13:42
    Yankee Traveler
    and that's why i commented the rest of the deaths during clinton's reign were not familiar to me
  • Pamela Yankee ... 2012/06/27 11:30:37 (edited)
    Pamela
    There were several others who died under Clintons watch.
  • Yankee ... Pamela 2012/06/27 20:37:41
    Yankee Traveler
    +1
    Yes there were. But the only name that is familiar to me at this moment is Vince Foster
  • gldynmd... Yankee ... 2012/06/24 20:03:12
    gldynmd BTO-t-BCRA-F
    +7
    Interesting stuff there Hollywood! Watergate was ugly no doubt with cover ups abound!!
    However that doesn't negate F&F and the blatant in our faces deaths.
  • Pamela gldynmd... 2012/06/24 21:28:32
    Pamela
    +1
    Great!
  • Yankee ... gldynmd... 2012/06/24 22:40:40 (edited)
    Yankee Traveler
    +3
    That is exactly it!!!! At least other presidents weren't in our face with such stuff!!!

    Doesn't make it right......but this guy thinks he's sending a message to others about his murderous ways!!!!!!!!!
  • Pamela Yankee ... 2012/06/24 21:28:04
    Pamela
    +1
    Evidently you don't know what you're talking about. Just another senseless Liberal.
  • Yankee ... Pamela 2012/06/24 22:43:57
    Yankee Traveler
    +1
    Apparently Pamela you need to do your own research and come back when you're not posing as a conservative
  • Chi~Cat Pamela 2012/06/24 23:42:16
    Chi~Cat
    +2
    You are dead wrong on that assumption. HW is a very staunch conservative, does impeccable research and is a very talented writer, he has also worked on Alan West's grassroots campaign.
  • gldynmd... Pamela 2012/06/25 04:18:25
    gldynmd BTO-t-BCRA-F
    +2
    No Pamela Hollywood is not a liberal.
  • Yankee ... gldynmd... 2012/06/25 08:19:40
    Yankee Traveler
    +2
    Thanx gldynmd!! LOL!!! Been called many things on SH, even had my life threatened, but never called a liberal. I think it's because I had the nerve to speak unfavorably about a Republican president and the possibility that maybe, just maybe there might have been something fishy going on in a few deaths of people that were really close to Watergate.
  • gldynmd... Yankee ... 2012/06/25 10:45:07
    gldynmd BTO-t-BCRA-F
    +2
    You're welcome. Have a great day!
  • Pamela gldynmd... 2012/06/27 11:32:43
    Pamela
    Good, I'm glad .
  • Ken Yankee ... 2012/06/24 22:21:51
    Ken
    +1
    I had an Aunt, Uncle and Grandpa who all also died in 1972 from various suspicious causes. They were all life long Democrats who hated Nixon, maybe he killed them too?
  • Yankee ... Ken 2012/06/24 22:45:46
    Yankee Traveler
    +2
    looks like something you may need to research, check the family records or something
  • Ken Yankee ... 2012/06/26 03:36:13
  • AL Yankee ... 2012/06/25 07:40:24
    AL
    +2
    LOL! The same thing was said About people that witnessed the JFK shooting as well! Yet there never was any link found between those deaths and the shooting of JFK either! Unless you want to count the shooting Of Lee Ozwald by Jack Ruby?
  • ray 2012/06/24 19:26:46
    I DO NOT believe that someone may have been killed because of, or related to,...
    ray
    +10
    Watergate was nothing compared to the past three years.
    All of Watergate could be compared to Obama declaring Executive privilege to protect Holder and Napolitano . ( most likely himself in the process )
    The only thing missing is for Obama to stand behind the teleprompter and declare he is not a crook.
  • cheshirewayne 2012/06/24 19:19:40
    I DO NOT believe that someone may have been killed because of, or related to,...
    cheshirewayne
    +9
    Some of the Democrat call girls may have been killed to keep them from speaking out, but that would have been Democrats kill Democrats and we're use to it in this country.

    F&F; has been a major force in destablizing northern Mexico.
  • Jim 2012/06/24 19:19:15
    I DO NOT believe that someone may have been killed because of, or related to,...
    Jim
    +3
    No one was ever killed do to Watergate. Even though he should not have, but he bowed to the populace and ended the Vietnam War, which we were winning. Even the North Vietnamese admitted we were winning. The person you are talking about is a RINO and definitely not a conservative.
  • relic 2012/06/24 19:11:49
    I DO NOT believe that someone may have been killed because of, or related to,...
    relic
    +1
    Gotta be that "Bob [initial]"
  • Howler relic 2012/06/24 19:28:54
  • relic Howler 2012/06/24 19:31:00
    relic
    +1
    Just read that thread. All I can say is, "wow"!
  • Howler relic 2012/06/24 19:47:20
    Howler
    +1
    That type of crap is pretty common with this one...And all the while, he holds to the claim of being a conservative Republican..Yet, his across the site commentary is consistently critical of conservatives, and of Republicans while being consistently supportive of the Obama admin for the last three years.

    I can understand, and have not a problem with someone having a very different POV than my own, but I cannot understand why some (like this one) prefer to twist, hide, and deceive with their commentary in attempt to prevent someone from recognizing their real political leanings...Baffles me.
  • relic Howler 2012/06/24 19:56:26
    relic
    +2
    I don't know how I've missed him around here, but I know now... I see his Political is "Other".
  • Elleryqueen 2012/06/24 19:08:03
    I DO NOT believe that someone may have been killed because of, or related to,...
    Elleryqueen
    +27
    Watergate was a fairy tale compared to what has been going on for the last 3 plus years.
  • Howler Elleryq... 2012/06/24 19:09:14
  • debrara... Elleryq... 2012/06/25 03:49:33
    debrarae POTL _ PWCM
    +3
    I agree 10000%
  • Sherloc... Elleryq... 2012/06/29 11:56:58
  • Elleryq... Sherloc... 2012/06/29 15:07:40
    Elleryqueen
    +2
    Very good. Thank you.
  • Sherloc... Elleryq... 2012/06/29 17:51:18
  • TruBluTopaz 2012/06/24 19:05:11
    I DO NOT believe that someone may have been killed because of, or related to,...
    TruBluTopaz
    +14
    It's called equivocating and liberals do that alot when caught in a lie.
  • Howler TruBluT... 2012/06/24 19:09:28
  • debrara... Howler 2012/06/25 03:53:04
    debrarae POTL _ PWCM
    +1
    At best he's a RINO. And if you notice he left no links proving anything.

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