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I am no Bush fan for the war in Iraq and the expansion of our Government...but those that say he did NOTHING right are full of it. Did you know????

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EXPAND AND WATCH...For all of you that used the Embryonic Stem-cell argument to make Obama your hero...here's a wakeup call!!!!!!!



"IN THE LAST YEAR, WE HAVE MADE A 10 (TEN) YEAR ADVANCEMENT" wasn't that DURING Bush????

Looks like Oprah is getting a WAKE UP CALL...ding ding ding.

"THE ONE" was wrong.

PROVE PROVIDED BY OPRAH's deal Dr Oz....

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OBAMA- 0
DR RON PAUL- 1



Are you listening America!!!???

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  • Patti The Yes Fan 2009/05/17 22:32:31
    None of the above
    Patti  The Yes Fan
    No I didnt know but I know he is a flip flopper. I feel he is just as much a puppet as bush. Quite frankly Im not sure Im even for stem cell. Personally I think they just want to get radical with it with cloning and all. I just think they are playing with fire.
  • StarSpa... Patti ... 2009/05/18 03:09:05
    StarSpangledGirl- A "kookie" and PROUD Ron Paul R3publican
    +1
    have you seen the movie THE ISLAND? creepy...and that *is* one of the dangers. Unfortunately..science is a double edge sword...just ask Einstein. :)
  • Patti ... StarSpa... 2009/05/31 20:10:15
    Patti  The Yes Fan
    I think I did see that movie. Yes it was pretty freaky. and your right. It is a double edged sword.
  • Sono Violado 2009/05/17 20:28:20
    None of the above
    Sono Violado
    Did the enactment of laws under the Bush administration expand or hinder Embryonic stem cell research?

    No. He needed the Christian right votes to steal another term in office.

    Because he couldn't curb the research far enough, does not mean he didn't hinder it.
  • StarSpa... Sono Vi... 2009/05/17 20:29:30
    StarSpangledGirl- A "kookie" and PROUD Ron Paul R3publican
    +2
    embryonic stem cell research should have been hindered. It isn't a good thing.

    Stemcell research, however, was...and we advanced a lot in that matter under the Bush administration.
  • Sono Vi... StarSpa... 2009/05/17 20:34:46
    Sono Violado
    You're evading.

    How is Stem so bad it need be hindered? Please, I really want to know.
  • StarSpa... Sono Vi... 2009/05/17 20:41:42 (edited)
    StarSpangledGirl- A "kookie" and PROUD Ron Paul R3publican
    +2
    DUDE...FIRST...learn the lingo. I evaded NOTHING...I answered the question.

    *knock knock...anyone in there???*

    EMBRYONIC stem cell is bad...so hindering it was a good thing...we would have killed babies for no reason.

    REGULAR stem cell is not....we didn't hinder this and hense good things have come out of it.
  • Sono Vi... StarSpa... 2009/05/17 20:56:03 (edited)
    Sono Violado
    Was it not Bush that passed legislation against Stem cell research during his 2 terms?

    Really?
  • StarSpa... Sono Vi... 2009/05/18 03:10:01
    StarSpangledGirl- A "kookie" and PROUD Ron Paul R3publican
    +1
    NO..for the last FUCKING time...it was EMBRYONIC stem cell research he was against.

    Are you playing dumb or are you dumb for real??? Unbelievable.
  • Sono Vi... StarSpa... 2009/05/18 03:24:13
    Sono Violado
    Any hindrance to research regardless, is a hinder just the same, and your attempts at insults are amusing.
  • StarSpa... Sono Vi... 2009/05/18 03:40:55 (edited)
    StarSpangledGirl- A "kookie" and PROUD Ron Paul R3publican
    +1
    You lost me at the first sentence of your first reply. No time for the bullshit...just move on and forgetaboudit. *eyeroll*
  • Sono Vi... StarSpa... 2009/05/18 03:53:10
    Sono Violado
    Thank you, please drive thru
  • flaca BN-0 2009/05/17 20:03:13
    None of the above
    flaca BN-0
    Does this mean that those who were aghast at Obama's stem cell policy have now decided it's a good thing?
  • StarSpa... flaca BN-0 2009/05/17 20:15:31
    StarSpangledGirl- A "kookie" and PROUD Ron Paul R3publican
    +2
    huh? No silly...embryonic stemcell and stemcell are TWO totally different things. Under Bush...there was stemcell research....Obama argued it had to be EMBRYONIC stemcell in order to advance medicine. Now there is proof that embryonic stem cell is actually a BAD thing.
  • flaca BN-0 StarSpa... 2009/05/17 20:18:15
    flaca BN-0
    so far, but medical researchers frequently discover they were wrong in the past.
  • StarSpa... flaca BN-0 2009/05/17 20:23:51 (edited)
    StarSpangledGirl- A "kookie" and PROUD Ron Paul R3publican
    +1
    Yeah...like how we are now seeing that the whole global warming thing is bs.

    but on this issue...not sure I follow you....what's your point?
  • hook StarSpa... 2009/05/17 21:27:19
    hook
    you got that right, have at um
  • flaca BN-0 StarSpa... 2009/05/17 21:29:17
    flaca BN-0
    my point is that they haven't had enough time yet to say that one is better than the other. That may, or may not, prove to be the case as more and more research is done. Other countries are doing both and may come up with something that we haven't in the future.
  • johnnyg 2009/05/17 19:11:01
    Yes, I knew.
    johnnyg
    +1
    The key word is fedreral, there has been stem cell research for years but with private money.
  • StarSpa... johnnyg 2009/05/17 19:13:21 (edited)
    StarSpangledGirl- A "kookie" and PROUD Ron Paul R3publican
    +1
    I agree...I am for charities and private organizations and the Government sticking to what their ONLY responsibilities are...

    Protect our freedoms. Have a strong national defense. Look at and take care of our borders. Have a sound currency. That was the responsibility of the federal government, not to run our lives and run everything in the economy and extend the interstate-commerce clause and the general-welfare clause to do anything they want to do.
  • BillySteve StarSpa... 2009/05/17 19:35:01
    BillySteve
    Unfortunately the "Right", of which I was once a member, sometimes glories in the Interstate Commerce Clause. The "War on Drugs" would be impossible if Congress could not invoke the Interstate Commerce Clause.

    You know, the WOD didn't start bugging me until the day I was cleaning my AK and heard Bill Bennett (the clown who cribbed the "Book of Virtues") talking about how "assault weapons" were the "weapons of choice" of "drug dealers". I stopped the bore cleaning in mid stroke, looked up at the TV and went "Uh, oh".

    We remember those life changing moments, when the people whom we thought were our friends suddenly weren't so friendly after all. I think that moment was the beginning of the end of a second term for Bush Sr. Sure left me cold by 1992.
  • Zuggi 2009/05/17 19:02:09
    None of the above
    Zuggi
    Wait, so Bush did this research?

    I must have missed that.
  • StarSpa... Zuggi 2009/05/17 19:03:10
    StarSpangledGirl- A "kookie" and PROUD Ron Paul R3publican
    +1
    it doesn't surprise me...since you are such a idiot.

    He supported the advancement. It happened under HIS administration moron.
  • Zuggi StarSpa... 2009/05/17 19:04:31
    Zuggi
    You know who else used that argument?

    Al Gore. The Internet.

    You guys gave him total shit for that, why can't I give Bush shit for the same sort of claim?
  • StarSpa... Zuggi 2009/05/17 19:10:44 (edited)
    StarSpangledGirl- A "kookie" and PROUD Ron Paul R3publican
    +1
    Al Gore is FULL OF SHIT about the internet and about Global Warming...and you are a loser and a stalker al gore shit internet global warming loser stalker .
  • Zuggi StarSpa... 2009/05/17 19:12:11 (edited)
    Zuggi
    Following that logic, Bush is full of shit if he claims credit for stem cell research.

    [edited reply to your edit]

    I'm a stalker for responding to an open poll I didn't even look to see who posted?
  • StarSpa... Zuggi 2009/05/17 20:17:38
    StarSpangledGirl- A "kookie" and PROUD Ron Paul R3publican
    +1
    he isn't claiming ANYTHING moron. Learn how to read.
  • Zuggi StarSpa... 2009/05/17 20:18:45
    Zuggi
    So you wouldn't have gotten onto me if I had posted a thread in 1999 stating that Al Gore had created the internet?
  • BillySteve Zuggi 2009/05/17 19:23:25 (edited)
    BillySteve
    Big difference between appropriating money and claiming that you helped "created" the Internet.

    "During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet..."

    http://www.snopes.com/quotes/...

    Snopes printed this quote out in its entirety but then excused Gore by saying he was not really thinking this while he said it, but then took him to task for some "silly political posturing". I guess if a person says something in a campaign contest we ought to doubt him or her if it sounds silly?

    In any case, Gore got what was coming to him, even if some of the lefties who did help found the Internet let him off of the hook.
  • Zuggi BillySteve 2009/05/17 19:24:49 (edited)
    Zuggi
    Gore took the initiative in creating the internet = appropriated money for it.

    Bush is to credit for stem cell research advances = appropriated money for it.
  • BillySteve Zuggi 2009/05/17 19:28:10 (edited)
    BillySteve
    +1
    We're either talking about nuanced thinking or a lack of clarity. Given Gore's antics with "climate change", and having read his book "Earth in the Balance" I fall on the side of sloppy thinking and unclear communication.

    Bush could not have appropriated Federal money for anything, only Congress can allocate money. The President either approves or disapproves. Right?
  • Zuggi BillySteve 2009/05/17 19:29:44
    Zuggi
    Hence the silliness of this question.
  • BillySteve Zuggi 2009/05/17 19:36:26
    BillySteve
    I think it's fair to ask some of the good things that W did... they were far and few between, but I think after a couple of years of Zero that we'll look fondly on W, just as some folks looked fondly on Clinton by 2004.
  • StarSpa... BillySteve 2009/05/17 20:20:33
    StarSpangledGirl- A "kookie" and PROUD Ron Paul R3publican
    +1
    Billy..I agree.
  • StarSpa... Zuggi 2009/05/17 20:20:07
    StarSpangledGirl- A "kookie" and PROUD Ron Paul R3publican
    +1
    what is so silly about it? He was good in banning EMBRYONIC stemcell reserch..it would have done nothing but kill babies...you know....something Obama cares nothing about.
  • Zuggi StarSpa... 2009/05/17 20:21:04
    Zuggi
    You're right. People would have lined up around the block to have extra abortions to create new stem cell lines.
  • kmay 2009/05/17 18:58:02
    Yes, I knew.
    kmay
    +2
    Unfortunately Obama Media [aka MSM] will not report the truth.
  • StarSpa... kmay 2009/05/17 19:03:35
    StarSpangledGirl- A "kookie" and PROUD Ron Paul R3publican
    +2
    But do you know how many millions of people watch Oprah? How do you think he got elected in the first place...heehee
  • BillySteve 2009/05/17 18:49:48
    Yes, I knew.
    BillySteve
    +2
    He didn't push Congress for a renewal of the Feinstein Ban. He also cut taxes.

    Aside that the man was a gigantic disappointment.

    He allowed the EPA to ram all sorts of crap onto us, such as banning small two cycle motors, parts per billion ozone regs and so on. He did nothing to stifle James Hansen, who continued to vomit his pseudo-science to the world from his bully pulpit at NASA. Bush did nothing to curb the largess which drives "Climate Science" but did cut funding for Langley Research Center and other useful institutions in the US.

    "No Child Left Behind" and "Prescription Drug" benefits were the largest entitlements since Lyndon Johnson created that horrorshow known as "medicare".

    Bush did not rein in a GOP Congress which could not control its spending by using his veto pen. That would have been wonderful, and might have taught those characters some fiscal discipline. Maybe they would have kept Congress?

    Hell, maybe someone like Ron Paul might have been taken more seriously instead of being branded a "kook" by both the Liberals and their "me too" chorus that we laughingly call "Neo-Cons". It's a pretty sad state of affairs when a man as sensible as Ron Paul is branded a kook by "Conservatives".

    Lasty, Iraq. The unnecessary war, based upon the false premise that Saddam H...""

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    He didn't push Congress for a renewal of the Feinstein Ban. He also cut taxes.

    Aside that the man was a gigantic disappointment.

    He allowed the EPA to ram all sorts of crap onto us, such as banning small two cycle motors, parts per billion ozone regs and so on. He did nothing to stifle James Hansen, who continued to vomit his pseudo-science to the world from his bully pulpit at NASA. Bush did nothing to curb the largess which drives "Climate Science" but did cut funding for Langley Research Center and other useful institutions in the US.

    "No Child Left Behind" and "Prescription Drug" benefits were the largest entitlements since Lyndon Johnson created that horrorshow known as "medicare".

    Bush did not rein in a GOP Congress which could not control its spending by using his veto pen. That would have been wonderful, and might have taught those characters some fiscal discipline. Maybe they would have kept Congress?

    Hell, maybe someone like Ron Paul might have been taken more seriously instead of being branded a "kook" by both the Liberals and their "me too" chorus that we laughingly call "Neo-Cons". It's a pretty sad state of affairs when a man as sensible as Ron Paul is branded a kook by "Conservatives".

    Lasty, Iraq. The unnecessary war, based upon the false premise that Saddam Hussein actually had something to do with 9/11. Saudi Arabia had more to do with 9/11 than Saddam. Plus "nation building" in Afghanistan, the grave yard of empires.

    I was a Conservative in 1980, back when it was not only not cool to be a Conservative but kind of dangerous to one's health. I voted for Reagan. Twice.

    I would have turned up my nose at Bush if he'd been old enough to run in 1980. "Compassionate Conservatism". Compassionate to whom? Not productive people, and not the taxpayers.
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  • kmay BillySteve 2009/05/17 19:00:34
    kmay
    So help bring the party back where it needs to be once again. Change comes from within not from rhetoric.

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