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Hypocrisy over the Chick-Fil-A debate

rustex782 2012/08/03 16:37:05
But. . . . THATS different
Hmmmmm VERY Hypocritical
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Think Banning a chick-fil-a is wrong?

Although the 21st Amendment repealed the prohibition of alcohol on the federal level,
that Amendment also specifically prohibits the selling or production of
alcohol in violation of state laws. Some states after the repeal passed
local option
laws granting counties and municipalities, either by popular vote or
ordinance, the ability to decide for themselves whether to allow
alcohol.


Many dry communities do not prohibit the mere consumption of alcohol,
which could potentially cause a loss of profits and taxes from the sale
of alcohol to their residents in "wet" (non-prohibition) areas. The
rationale for maintaining prohibition on the local level often is
religious in nature, as many Protestant Christian denominations discourage the consumption of alcohol by their followers (see Christianity and alcohol, sumptuary law, and Baptists and Bootleggers).
While state law does not allow for dry counties, similar laws designed
to restrict the sale and consumption of alcohol also are common in the
mostly LDS (Mormon) state of Utah.
Utah state law prohibits local jurisdictions from exercising control
over liquor laws. An additional, more pragmatic intent of these laws
often is to reduce alcohol consumption in that particular county (and
the potential health, safety, and public order issues that can accompany
it) by limiting the ease of acquiring it.

christians against alcohol

Sumptuary laws (from Latin sumptuariae leges) are laws that attempt to regulate habits of consumption. Black's Law Dictionary
defines them as "Laws made for the purpose of restraining luxury or
extravagance, particularly against inordinate expenditures in the matter
of apparel, food, furniture, etc."[1] Traditionally, they were laws that regulated and reinforced social hierarchies and morals through restrictions on clothing, food, and luxury expenditures.


Throughout history, societies have used sumptuary laws for a variety
of purposes. They attempted to regulate the balance of trade by limiting
the market for expensive imported goods. They were also an easy way to
identify social rank and privilege and often were used for social discrimination.[2]


This frequently meant preventing commoners from imitating the appearance of aristocrats and sometimes also to stigmatize disfavored groups. In the Late Middle Ages, sumptuary laws were instituted as a way for the nobility to cap the conspicuous consumption of the prosperous bourgeoisie of medieval cities, and they continued to be used for these purposes well into the 17th century.[2]







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  • Doc. J 2012/08/03 17:21:31
    Hmmmmm VERY Hypocritical
    Doc. J
    +4
    Religion = voluntary (and sometimes involuntary) SLAVERY.

    None for me, thanks.

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  • rustex782 Bob DiN 2012/08/04 00:46:39 (edited)
    rustex782
    the so called "Ban" of the store in chicago
  • Bob DiN rustex782 2012/08/04 00:48:39
    Bob DiN
    There i no Chick-Fil-A in Chicago. If Mayor Rahm Emanuel has his Gestapo way there won't be one.
  • rustex782 Bob DiN 2012/08/04 01:03:01
    rustex782
    they do in fact have chick fil a in chicago

    30 East Chicago Avenue, Chicago, IL
  • Bob DiN rustex782 2012/08/04 01:18:35
    Bob DiN
    Rahm says they don't and wants to stop them from coming in. He said at a press release. So did Mumbles Menino of Boston who now backed down a little.
  • rustex782 Bob DiN 2012/08/04 06:06:59
    rustex782
    then why is there a chick fil a there already
  • Bob DiN rustex782 2012/08/04 11:24:10
    Bob DiN
    I guess wacky Mayor Rahm Emanuel doesn' t even know his own City.
  • dallasjoe Bob DiN 2012/08/04 18:24:52
    dallasjoe
    +1
    Rham could not give them Curb cuts that would kill their business No drive thur
  • Bob DiN dallasjoe 2012/08/04 18:27:01
    Bob DiN
    Rahm a progressive moron. Corrupt Chicago deserves him.
  • dallasjoe Bob DiN 2012/08/04 18:30:34
    dallasjoe
    no better than that Moron next door to you THE GREAT WHITE WHALE and no not Moby Dick
  • Bob DiN dallasjoe 2012/08/04 18:33:08
    Bob DiN
    Andrew Cuomo isn't that big.
  • dallasjoe Bob DiN 2012/08/04 18:34:18
    dallasjoe
    no speaking about the NJ Gov Christie the Whale
  • Bob DiN dallasjoe 2012/08/04 18:46:38
    Bob DiN
    Chris Christie, a great governor, I wish I had him.
  • dallasjoe Bob DiN 2012/08/04 18:48:42
    dallasjoe
    he is an azz adn you know it just what no wall between NY Nj you could move there
  • Bob DiN dallasjoe 2012/08/04 21:16:01
    Bob DiN
    Well saving NJ is no small accomplishment. It's refreshing to see a politician who's not a phony. After a fraud like Obama it's really a breath of fresh air.
  • dallasjoe Bob DiN 2012/08/04 22:42:27
    dallasjoe
    get over it call it what you see you dislike Obama over who his father was Like your fellow NYer are you a Birther?
  • Bob DiN dallasjoe 2012/08/05 00:25:56
    Bob DiN
    The birth issue is not a prime issue with me. Obama's complete incompetence and Marxists views are what is at issue. I also don't like that he has racist tendencies and acts very UnAmerican often enough.
  • dallasjoe Bob DiN 2012/08/05 04:11:34
    dallasjoe
    UN American like Joe McCarthy Remember that the only President who had to leave th White House like a Cockraoch was Nixon
  • Bob DiN dallasjoe 2012/08/05 19:07:23
    Bob DiN
    With all the communists in America like Van Jones, we could use Joe McCarthy now. Nixon was a decent President with a bad campaign staff. They got caught at what everyone gets away with
  • dallasjoe Bob DiN 2012/08/05 19:13:13
    dallasjoe
    no NIXON knew what was happening if on July 1st 1972 he had come clean it would have been over We have Joe McCarthy's love child that Bat Fecal Crazy Bachmann
  • Bob DiN dallasjoe 2012/08/05 21:12:39
    Bob DiN
    1972 was nothing new in politics except they go caught.
  • Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum 2012/08/03 20:10:06
    Hmmmmm VERY Hypocritical
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    +1
    So a local government could prevent Chik fil a from selling chicken sandwiches in their jurisdiction, but wouldn't they then have to prohibit the selling of all chicken sandwiches?
  • rustex782 Warren ... 2012/08/04 00:47:25
    rustex782
    they werent banned for selling chicken
  • dallasjoe Warren ... 2012/08/04 22:43:09
    dallasjoe
    +1
    no they could refuse to give them a permit for a take out window
  • Warren ... dallasjoe 2012/08/06 02:33:03
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    They tried that in my town, but the majority of the citycouncil allowed them to have their window.
  • dallasjoe Warren ... 2012/08/06 04:15:02
    dallasjoe
    larger cities have boards that are appointed by the mayors
  • Cognito22 2012/08/03 19:41:15 (edited)
    But. . . . THATS different
    Cognito22
    +2
    What's the point of this article?
    A lot of our laws are based on Christian/Judeo beliefs . . .
    beliefs that are shared with other cultures, other civilizations, other religions, other nations . . . like thou shalt not kill.
    Because something is religiously based makes it a bad thing?
    Is that the point you're trying to make?

    You talk about state, county and city bans on sale of alcohol.
    Those laws are determined by the citizens of the state, county or city.
    Are you suggesting that one law should fit all states and all people?
    One size fits all? Kinda like the Communist doctrine of 'equality'?

    On second reading, I understand the intent.
    It's suggesting that because laws are based on religious beliefs, they hold no merit.

    Yes, yes, just another example of the intolerance of religious belief and the intolerance of a state's constitutional determinism or a county or city's democratically determined ordinance.

    Why is the Left always bending their argument for totalitarianism.
    I don't get it.
    Is your life so indeterminate in nature you need others to determine it for you?
  • rustex782 Cognito22 2012/08/04 00:53:35
    rustex782
    1. separation of church and state.
    2. banning a business is banning a business no matter what angle you try to come at it. you either want the governement to have that right or you dont.
  • Cognito22 rustex782 2012/08/04 02:19:34 (edited)
    Cognito22
    +1
    1. That's right. Separation of church and state. So you shouldn't have the state (in the form of a mayor or governor) banning a business because of it's religious views.

    2. Of course I don't want the government banning businesses based on unconstitutional grounds or suppressing free speech because they don't agree with their religious views (see 1 above). That's why everyone is supporting Chic-Fil-A.

    I guess you just woke up, huh? Welcome to the USA.
  • rustex782 Cognito22 2012/08/04 06:08:09
    rustex782
    then why is it ok to justify banning liquor stores
  • Pele Em... rustex782 2012/08/04 08:51:05
    Pele Emerging
    They are banned or regulated in certain places in this country. A state shouldn't have the right to regulate liquor within its boundaries?
  • rustex782 Pele Em... 2012/08/04 08:56:29
    rustex782
    i guess so. . . but i promote consistency. its either OK for gov to ban business and organizations or its not OK. we cant say its OK to ban and regulate all liquor stores but then say its horribly wrong to ban a chick fil a.
  • Pele Em... rustex782 2012/08/04 10:07:12
    Pele Emerging
    +1
    Only if you want government to ban all chicken fast food places. Either you apply the same thing to all that type of business or to none of them. It's like saying to liquor stores: If you sell Jim Beam, it's ok, but not if you sell Wild Turkey.
  • rustex782 Pele Em... 2012/08/04 18:15:31
    rustex782
    don't you know that liquors stores are not regulated the same. from town to town they are all regulated or banned differently. some allow. . some don't. . some close at 9pm some are open 24hrs. some places cant have any bars or liquor stores at all and have to be like 20miles outside of the town. some allow you to sell wine until midnight and no liquor after 9. some places wont let liquor stores or bars open up if they are within 10miles of a church. some places liquor stores and bars are all over the place.

    Selective banning and regulation of businesses already exists. chick fil a is no different. local governments have been doing this a long time. We need to either promote this type of government involvement or we need to fight ALL of it not just the ban on chick fil a
  • Pele Em... rustex782 2012/08/04 19:30:43
    Pele Emerging
    Selective banning of the PRODUCT exists. If you can't see the difference between banning what is being sold and banning a particular business, but not others of exactly the same kind, your logic is totally warped. Example: Many places ban strip joints. One town may ban strip joints which allow customer contact (i.e. lap dancing) but not ban stripping on stage. Another may ban total nudity, but another may allow it. Another may have loopholes which allow them provided no alcohol is served, but severely regulate or prohibit them if it is. The common denominator is that the regulations apply to all and not just one particular franchise. Same with liquor. ALL liquor stores in an area must comply with the community standards. Don't like them? Don't live in that community. However, the community does NOT say that Store A, B, C, and D are allowed to operate, but because we don't like the CEO of store E, it must close, even though it sells exactly the same stuff and complies with exactly the same requirements as A, B, C, and D. Either you allow liquor (or the selling of fast food chicken) for all who comply with the law, or you don't allow any liquor (or selling of fast food chicken sandwiches) for ANY company.

    If you can't see the difference, go pound your head against a rock until you do.
  • rustex782 Pele Em... 2012/08/04 19:41:10
    rustex782
    they are banning sin and temptation.
  • Pele Em... rustex782 2012/08/04 19:42:47
    Pele Emerging
    No, they are banning a product: Liquor.
  • rustex782 Pele Em... 2012/08/04 19:46:48
    rustex782
    The
    rationale for maintaining prohibition on the local level often is
    religious in nature, as many Protestant Christian denominations discourage the consumption of alcohol by their followers (see Christianity and alcohol, sumptuary law, and Baptists and Bootleggers).
  • Pele Em... rustex782 2012/08/04 20:00:23
    Pele Emerging
    It MAY be, but all are treated exactly the same way. If Chicago or Boston wants to ban Chick Fil A, they need to be consistent and ban all fast food chicken.
  • rustex782 Pele Em... 2012/08/04 20:02:39
    rustex782
    gov does NOT need to ban ANYBODY. why are yall arguing that i promote a ban on chick
  • Pele Em... rustex782 2012/08/04 20:40:30
    Pele Emerging
    You are trying to justify a specific ban on Chick Fil A by saying that communities already ban liquor which is a specific product. Either ban all fast food chicken or allow all fast food chicken. Unless you wish to allow selective discrimination, the only way to deal with Chick Fil A is a personal boycott.

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