Hurry before its scrubbed,obama leftist web site admits he was born with dual citizenship mistake by their own liberals?

simply put, the 14th amendment requires that the person be under the jurisdiction of the US...
This is incorrect and here's why:

This is something shorter than my normal post on this issue..

ineligible (a short version)

The fact that he’s a citizen, or even as incorrectly stated by some, a “natural Born Citizen” negates the intent and meaning of the Constitution’s Article 2 sect 1 requirement, however if you’d really like to know what the founding fathers referred to for their definition and their understanding of “Natural Born Citizen” simply note that in Article 1 sect 8 they reference the “Law of Nations” written by E. Vattel in 1758, and in “The law of Nations” book 1 chapter 19 sect 212 it clearly states (abridged) that a native, or natural Born Citizen of a country is one who is of the country and of parents who are citizens of that country.

the SCOTUS has upheld that definition on several cases ranging in dates from 1874 through 1939, and this is also reflected in the K.W.Ark case as well, since the SCOTUS deemed him a “citizen”, but did not confer “natural Born” status on him.

It’s also interesting to note that the 14th amendment does not confer “Natural Born” status either even though many interpret it to do so.

In the case of Obama, we are best guided by looking at the 1874 Scotus opinion, and the words of the man considered to be the father of the 14th amendment.

In 1874, in the Minor v. Happersett case, the Supreme Court affirmed the definition of natural born citizen which had appeared in the 1797 English translation of Vattel’s Law of Nations:

…it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. (Minor v. Happersett, 1874)

In the 14th Amendment, what does “jurisdiction” mean?

During the debates over the 14th Amendment’s citizenship clause, both of its primary framers, Sen. Jacob Howard and Sen. Lyman Trumbull, made it clear that the word “jurisdiction”, as used in the 14th Amendment, means sole, complete, absolute, exclusive U.S. jurisdiction and the absence of any other jurisdiction or allegiance.

Sen. Lyman Trumbull: The provision is, that “all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.” That means “subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.” What do we mean by “complete jurisdiction thereof?” Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.

Sen. Jacob Howard: [I] concur entirely with the honorable Senator from Illinois [Trumbull], in holding that the word “jurisdiction,” as here employed, ought to be construed so as to imply a full and complete jurisdiction on the part of the United States, coextensive in all respects with the constitutional power of the United States, whether exercised by Congress, by the executive, or by the judicial department; that is to say, the same jurisdiction in extent and quality as applies to every citizen of the United States now. (What ‘Subject to the Jurisdiction Thereof’ Really Means)

In 1884, the Supreme Court said:


The persons declared to be citizens are “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.” The evident meaning of these last words is not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance. And the words relate to the time of birth in the one case, as they do to the time of naturalization in the other. Persons not thus subject to the jurisdiction of the United States at the time of birth cannot become so afterwards except by being naturalized… (Page 112 U. S. 101-102, Elk v. Wilkins, 1884)

Sole U.S. jurisdiction was a core requirement for 14th Amendment citizenship. The 14th Amendment granted citizenship to emancipated slaves and their descendants, because they were, and have always been, under sole U.S. jurisdiction. Native Americans were subject to tribal jurisdiction and thus were not under sole U.S. jurisdiction. That’s why the 14th Amendment did not grant citizenship to American Indians, even though virtually all American Indians were born in the United States.

For sake of argument, if the 14th Amendment had redefined “natural born citizen” to mean anyone “born in the U.S. and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” (where “jurisdiction” is understood to mean sole U.S. jurisdiction), Obama would still fail to meet the natural born citizen requirement. Here’s why…

On his web site, Obama claims that his father was a British subject and that, in 1961, the citizenship status of children of British subjects was “governed” (that’s Obama’s word) by the British Nationality Act of 1948. Thus Obama’s citizenship status, at birth, was “governed” by British law, in addition to U.S. law.

If Obama’s citizenship status at birth was “governed” by the laws of a foreign country, how could he, at birth, be subject to sole U.S. jurisdiction, which is an essential requirement for 14th Amendment citizenship?

you can read more at: http://people.mags.net/tonche...

PS. the name birthers is actually incorrect, it should be "The Constitutionalist`", the "Birthers" are in fact the ones who believe that simply being born on "US soil" (jus soli) makes one a "Natural Born Citizen" regardless of the heritage of their parents.., but I digress...



Thanks

Bill

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It is what it is, obama is the most evil president we have ever had in the USA. This is changing, each time it goes to congress..........hope when the senators go home, they get no rest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! These guys need to be kick out!!!!! Lets start over people!
Obama Health Care Details
HR 3200 currently under consideration in the House of Representatives
Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Gov't will audit the books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!
Pg 30 Sec 123 - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get
Pg 29 lines 4-16 - YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!
Pg 42 - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your benefits for you. You have no choice!
Pg 50 Section 152 - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise
Pg 58 - Gov't will have real time access to individual’s finances & a National ID Health care card will be issued!
Pg 59 lines 21-24 - Gov't will have direct access to your bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
Pg 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations (ACORN).
Pg 72 Lines 8-14 - Gov't is creating an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Govt control.
Pg 84 Sec 203 - Gov't mandates ALL benefit packages for private Health Care plans in the Exchange
Pg 85 Line 7 - Specs for all Benefit Levels for Plans - The Govt will ration your Health care!
Pg 91 Lines 4-7 - Gov't mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example - Translation for illegal aliens.
Pg 95 Lines 8-18 - The Gov't will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan
Pg 85 Line 7 - Specs of Benefit Levels for Plans. AARP members - Your Health Care WILL be rationed
Pg 102 Lines 12-18 - Medicaid Eligible Individual will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.
Pg 124 lines 24-25 - No company can sue Gov't on price fixing. No “judicial review” against Govt Monopoly.
Pg 127 Lines 1-16 - Doctors/AMA - The Gov't will tell YOU what you can make.
Pg 145 Line 15-17 - An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE
Pg 126 Lines 22-25 - Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.
Pg 149 Lines 16-24 - ANY Employer w payroll 400k & above who does not provide pubic option pays 8% tax on all payroll
Pg 150 Lines 9-13 - Business with payroll between 251k & 400k who doesn't provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll
Pg 167 Lines 18-23 - ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Pg 170 Lines 1-3 - Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay).
Pg 195 - Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOV'T) will have access to ALL Americans financial and personal records.
Pg 203 Line 14-15 - “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax” Yes, it says that.
Pg 239 Line 14-24 - Gov't will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected.
Pg 241 Line 6-8 - Doctors, doesn't matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same.
Pg 253 Line 10-18 - Gov't sets value of Dr’s time, professional judgment, etc. Literally value of humans.
Pg 265 Sec 1131 - Gov't mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.
Pg 268 Sec 1141 - Fed Gov't regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
Pg 272 SEC. 1145 - Treatment of certain cancer hospitals – Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151 - The Gov't will penalize hospitals for what Govt deems preventable readmissions. (Incentives for hospital to not treat and release.)
Pg 298 Lines 9-11 - Doctors, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a readmission - Govt will penalize you.
Pg 317 L 13-20 PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Gov't tells doctors. what/how much they can own.
Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 - PROHIBITION on expansion - Gov't is mandating hospitals cannot expand.
pg 321 2-13 - Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can you say ACORN?!!
Pg 335 Lines 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Gov't mandates established of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing.
Pg 341 Lines 3-9 - Gov't has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans (Part B), HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Gov't plan.
Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Gov't will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people!
Pg 379 Sec 1191 - Gov't creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Committee. HC by phone/Internet?
Pg 425 Lines 4-12 - Gov't mandates Advance [Death] Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life.
Pg 425 Lines 17-19 - Gov't will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!
Pg 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 - Gov’t provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.
Pg 427 Lines 15-24 - Gov't mandates program for orders for end of life. The Gov’t has a say in how your life ends.
Pg 429 Lines 1-9 - An “advance care planning consult” will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates.
Pg 429 Lines 10-12 - “advance care consultation” may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV'T
Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The Gov't will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.
PG 430 Lines 11-15 - The Gov't will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life
Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services = Non profit organizations. Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!?
Pg 472 Lines 14-17 - PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?
Pg 489 Sec 1308 - The Gov't will cover Marriage & Family therapy. They will insert Government into your marriage.
Pg 494-498 - Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs
PG 502 Sec 1181 - Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research Established. – Hello Big Brother – Literally.
Pg 503 Lines 13-19 - Gov’t will build registries and data networks from YOUR electronic med records.
Pg 503 lines 21-25 - Gov’t may secure data directly from any depart or agency of the US including your data.
Pg 504 Lines 6-10 - The “Center” will collect data both published & unpublished (that means public & your private info)
PG 506 Lines 19-21 - The Center will recommend policies that would allow for public access of data.
PG 518 Lines 21-25 - The Commission will have input from HC consumer reps – Can you say unions & ACORN?
PG 524 18-22 - Comparative Effectiveness Research Trust Fund set up. More taxes for ALL.
PG 621 Lines 20-25 - Gov’t will define what Quality means in HC. Since when does Gov’t know about quality?
Pg 622 Lines 2-9 - To pay for the Quality Standards, Govt will transfer $$ from to other Govt Trust Funds. More Taxes.
PG 624 - “Quality” measures shall be designed to assess outcomes & functional status of patients.
PG 624 - “Quality” measures shall be designed to profile you including race, age, gender, place of residence, etc
Pg 628 Sec 1443 - Gov’t will give “Multi-Stake Holders” Pre-Rule Making input into Selection of “Quality” Measures.
Pg 630 9-24/631 1-9 - Those Multi-stake holder groups incl. Unions & groups like ACORN deciding HC quality.
Pg 632 Lines 14-25 - The Gov’t may implement any “Quality measure” of HC Services as they see fit.
PG 633 14-25/ 634 1-9 - The Secretary may issue non-endorsed “Quality Measures” for Physician Services & Dialysis Services.
Pg 635 to 653 - Physicians Payments Sunshine Provision – Gov’t wants to shine sunlight on Docs but not Govt.
Pg 654-659 - Public Reporting on Health Care-Associated Infections – Looks okay.
PG 660-671 - Doctors in Residency – Gov’t will tell you where your residency will be, thus where you’ll live.
Pg 676-686 - Gov’t will regulate hospitals in EVERY aspect of residency programs, incl. teaching hospitals.
Pg 686-700 - Increased Funding to Fight Waste, Fraud, and Abuse. You mean like the Gov’t with an $18 million website?
PGs 701-704 Sec 1619 - If your part of HC plan isn’t in Gov’t HC Exchange but you qualify for Fed aid, no payment.
PG 705-709 SEC. 1128 - If Secretarygets complaints (ACORN) on HC provider or supplier, Gov’t can do background check.
PG 711 Lines 8-14 - The Secretary has broad powers to deny HC providers/suppliers admittance into HC Exchange. Your doctor could be thrown out of business.
Pg 719-720 Sec 1637 - ANY Doctor who orders durable med equip or home med services MUST be enrolled in Medicare.
PG 722 Sec 1639 - Gov’t MANDATES Doctors must have face to face with patient to certify patient for Home Health Svcs.
PG 724 23-25 PG 725 1-5 - The same Gov’t certifications will apply to Medicaid & CHIP (your kids)
PG 724 Lines 16-22 - Gov’t reserves rt to apply face to face certification for patient to ANY other HC service.
Pg 735 lines 16-25 - For law enforce. proposes the Secretary-HHS will give Atty General access to ALL data.
PG 740-757 - Gov’t sets guidelines for subsidizing the uninsured (Thats your tax dollars people)
Pg 757-762 - Fed Gov’t will shift burden of payments to Disproportionate Share Hospitals (DSH) to States. (Taxes)
Pg 763 1-8 - No DS/EA hospitals will be paid unless they provide services without regard to national origin
Pg 765 Sec 1711 - Gov’t will require Preventative Services including vaccines. (Choice?)
Pg 768 Sec 1713 - Gov’t – Nurse Home Visitation Svcs (Hello union paybacks)
Pg 769 11-14 - Nurse Home Visit Svcs include-economic self-sufficiency, employ adv, school-readiness.
Pg 769 3-5 - Nurse Home Visit Services - “increasing birth intervals between pregnancies.” Govt ABORTIONS anyone
Pg 770 SEC 1714 - Fed Gov’t mandates eligibility for State Family Planning Services. Abortion & State Sovereign.
Pg 789-797 - Gov’t will set, mandate drug prices, controlling which drugs brought to market. Bye innovation.
Pgs 797-800 SEC. 1744 - PAYMENTS for graduate medical education. The government will now control Drs’ education.
PG 801 Sec 1751 - The Gov't will decide which Health care conditions will be paid. Say RATION!
Pg 810 SEC. 1759 - Billing Agents, clearinghouses, etc req. to register. Gov’t takes over private payment system.
Pg 820-824 Sec 1801 - Gov't will identify individual. ineligible for subsidies. Will access all personal financial information.
Pg 824-829 SEC. 1802 - Gov't Sets up Comparative Effectiveness Research Trust Fund. Another tax black hole.
PG 829-833 - Gov’t will impose a fee on ALL private health ins. plans incl. self insured to pay for Trust Fund!
PG 835 11-13 - Fees imposed by Gov’t for Trust Fund shall be treated as if they were taxes.
Pg 838-840 - Gov’t will design & implement Home Visitation Program for families with young kids & families expect kids.
PG 844-845 - This Home Visitation Prog. includes Gov’t coming into your house & telling you how to parent!!!
Pg 859 - Gov’t will establish a Public Health Fund at a cost of $88,800,000,000. Yes that’s Billion.
Pg 865 - The Gov’t will MANDATE the establishment of a National Health Service Corps.
PG 865 to 876 - The NHS Corps is a program where Drs. perform mandatory HC for 2yrs for part loan repayment.
PG 876-892 - The gov't takes over the education of our Med students and Drs.
PG 898 - The Gov't will establish a Public Health Workforce Corps to ensure supply of public health prof.
PG 898 - The Public health workforce corps shall consist of civilian employees of the U.S. as Secretary deems.
PG 898 - The Public health workforce corps shall consist of officers of Regular & Reserve Corps of Service.
PG 900 - The Public Health Workforce Corps includes veterinarians.
PG 901 - The Public Health Workforce Corps WILL include commissioned Regular & Reserve Officers. HC Draft?
PG 910 - The Gov't will develop, build & run Public Health Training Centers.
PG 913-914 - Gov't starts a HC affirmative action program thru guise of diversity scholarships.
PG 915 SEC. 2251 - Gov't MANDDATES Cultural & linguistic competency training for HC professionals.
Pg 932 The Gov't will estab Preventative & Wellness Trust fund- initial cost of $30,800,000,000-Billion.
PG 935 21-22 - Govt will identify specific goals & objectives for prevention & wellness activities. Control YOU!!
PG 936 - Gov't will develop “Healthy People & National Public Health Perform. Standards” Tell me what to eat?
PG 942 Lines 22-25 - More Gov’t? Offices of Surgeon General -Public Health Svc, Minority Health, Women’s Health
PG 950- 980 - BIG GOV’T core pub health infrastructure including workforce capacity, lab systems; health info sys, etc
PG 993 - Gov’t will establish school based health clinics. Your kids won’t have a chance.
PG 994 - School Based Health Clinic will be integrated into the school environment. Say GOVT Brainwash!
PG 1001 - The Gov't will establish a National Medical Device Registry. Will you be tracked?