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Hurricane Sandy: lessons about power

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/11/12 18:44:17
Electric power companies should compete to hook up to your home or business.
It's a natural monopoly. Leave things as they are.
Electric power should be a government division.
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Not government power (or at least, not all about that). Electric power. Which some of my neighbors still don't have back, and it's been two weeks.

Part of it is that we have the worst utility company I've ever paid bills to, and I've moved around a lot. But the other part is the "natural monopoly syndrome": the idea that you can't have, or even risk, duplicate electric power lines, because that's wasteful and inefficient. First, any duplication of power lines would not be wasteful. It would be redundant, sure. But redundancy is a good thing. Like insurance.
And second, even the bare possibility would galvanize these companies to get people hooked up fast, before they decided to unhook and go to somebody else.

What else are they going to do? Pull the franchise? Sure, and the next company might do things just as poorly. Create yet another division of government? Sometimes that works. More often, it doesn't.

If you really want to solve the problem, eliminate these "natural monopoly" laws and let more than one company compete to distribute electric power to you. "Competition" in power generation isn't enough. We're talking about distribution. Until power companies compete in that, communities will still be vulnerable to more Hurricanes Sandy, and even to sabotage.

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  • Catch224u 2012/11/13 00:31:08
    Electric power companies should compete to hook up to your home or business.
    Catch224u
    +6
    I lost interest when Sea Side NJ turned away help from a power Co. from Decatur Al. because they were not Union. I also saw today on the news that an electrician needs to check the house and a volunteer fireman has to check the house before power can be turned back on. Is this the red tape obama was talking of cutting?

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  • William 2012/11/16 07:15:47 (edited)
    Electric power companies should compete to hook up to your home or business.
    William
    +1
    If monopoly is bad, then it should be something to fight for in all industries. In some places there are competing garbage collections, which results in lower costs for garbage collection. When my family first moved to Federal Way, they charged per garbage can and you had a choice between 3 different garbage collectors. Competing utilities would result in at least better service. Might even lower some costs.
  • mk, Smartass Oracle 2012/11/14 18:09:19
  • susan 2012/11/13 15:04:05 (edited)
    I have another idea.
    susan
    This was a massive storm and the area it hit is also massive. Remember the size and the number of people being served. Redundancy would not have solve the problem. Duplicate electric lines would have be subjected to the same damages.

    The electric utilities have contingency plans and those plans were in place, with thousands of electric workers brought in from all over the country to try to get the power back on. Such work does not happen overnight. Debris has to be cleared from the roads and the power lines, new poles and lines have to be installed, transformers replaced and damages assessed. Safety for all, workers included, has to be considered.


    Two weeks is not out of line. When Hurricane Charlie hit the west coast of Florida, some people were out of power for longer than that. That was comparatively a small storm that affected a much smaller population. A relative went 17 days without power.

    Those who are so ignorant that they think such work happens overnight are screaming, and I understand their pain, but the progress of the work nothing to do with monopolies, inefficiencies, poor planning or competition.
    The ignorance of how things work in today's society is appalling.
  • Cain 2012/11/13 08:06:28
    I have another idea.
    Cain
    +1
    How about learning a lesson on the Looting & Crime after a natural disaster when people are supposed to come together & help one another, as if we didn't already learn this lesson after Katrina.....Oh but who on here is going to touch that subject????????
  • Maria 2012/11/13 04:47:24
    Electric power companies should compete to hook up to your home or business.
    Maria
    +1
    Why Can't RV transporation to arrive there for them and hook up electric for the people who need to stay warm...whoever owner of RV should be there to help people to sleep well and have good to eat..while they can work on their home same time. it nice to have warm shower and then sleep rest better and then go outside and catch up house work..also they need a {Tide Loads of Hope program}After the terrible tragedy of Hurricane Katrina forced tens of thousands of people from their homes, it became clear to Tide that during times of disaster, people turn to the most basic of human needs...including clean clothes. Tide’s “Loads of Hope program” began in New Orleans within four weeks of Katrina with the creation of a mobile Laundromat that provided free laundry services to Gulf Coast families in need. The program, anchored by the Loads of Hope truck that houses 32 energy-efficient washers and dryers, has the capacity to wash approximately 300 loads of laundry a day – equal to one year’s worth of laundry for the average American family. Since the program’s inception, Tide has partnered with the relief organization Feeding America (formerly America’s Second Harvest), the nation’s largest domestic hunger-relief charity.
  • Cat 2012/11/13 04:30:19
    I have another idea.
    Cat
    +2
    Electric transmission lines should all be underground and 100% waterproof.
  • Maria Cat 2012/11/13 04:52:10
    Maria
    Good idea just water proof underground electric inside it then wind will not knock it down..sound safe? electric to go underground than post electric outside
  • Cat Maria 2012/11/13 05:10:39
    Cat
    +1
    All the gated communities and rich people's estates already do it.
  • joe keeney 2012/11/13 02:03:09
    Electric power companies should compete to hook up to your home or business.
    joe keeney
    Oct all electric 89.00 dollar 1800sq ft can you say CO-OP.
  • redhorse29 2012/11/13 01:58:30
    I have another idea.
    redhorse29
    If you have multiple power companies then who own the power lines leading to you home?

    How about we get government to move faster and reduce red tape that delays and slows recovery. In many cases you cannot get power restored because debris has not been removed or permission to erect new lines. Also FEMMA required all homes be inspected before the power is restored. Reduce or put a significant limit on liability for rushing power to users. If homeowners want to assume the risk of rushing to get power then they can assume the financial risk.
  • ☆stillthe12c☆ 2012/11/13 01:31:09
    I have another idea.
    ☆stillthe12c☆
    The only thing that could have been worse was if the utility were underground.
  • JJ Rage 2012/11/13 01:18:01
    Electric power companies should compete to hook up to your home or business.
    JJ Rage
    +1
    The utlilty companies are the biggest crooks next to the international bankers!
    Evil Utility monopoly
  • ★Calliope★ 2012/11/13 01:03:33
    I have another idea.
    ★Calliope★
    +2
    To think that electric companies do not make enough money to keep up their infrastructure is ludicrous. The problem is - when the government throws money at these companies, they get greedy.
  • bye 2012/11/13 00:32:36
    Electric power companies should compete to hook up to your home or business.
    bye
    +3
    Well the lines are still controlled by one entity! So it's a big company and the Government in NY will throw them under the bus. I mean Fema seems to be doing a lot worse then in Katrina I mean after all these years and all the hot air seems like nothing was learned.
    government ny throw bus fema katrina years hot air learned
  • registe... bye 2012/11/13 01:45:09
    registeredNYer
    What part of NY do you live in barbie?
  • bye registe... 2012/11/13 02:00:51
    bye
    I live in Western Pa..
    altoona pa
  • Catch224u 2012/11/13 00:31:08
    Electric power companies should compete to hook up to your home or business.
    Catch224u
    +6
    I lost interest when Sea Side NJ turned away help from a power Co. from Decatur Al. because they were not Union. I also saw today on the news that an electrician needs to check the house and a volunteer fireman has to check the house before power can be turned back on. Is this the red tape obama was talking of cutting?
  • Jackie G - Poker Playing Pa... 2012/11/12 23:04:44
    Electric power companies should compete to hook up to your home or business.
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +3
    There should be competition
  • RJ~PWCM~JLA 2012/11/12 22:57:30
    Electric power companies should compete to hook up to your home or business.
    RJ~PWCM~JLA
    +3
    It's why the public schools suck. Why the post office sucks. It's why the product of virtually every monopoly sucks - no competition!
  • Rebel Yell 2012/11/12 22:47:38
    Electric power companies should compete to hook up to your home or business.
    Rebel Yell
    +3
    Texas has its own grid, ERCOT.. only parts of the Texas Panhandle aren't serviced by it. Even so, during the rolling black outs in 2011 , Texas had to borrow power from Mexico.

    Even with ERCOT, we were without power for 22 days after Hurricane Alicia. When power lines snap and poles tumble , it doesn't matter who the supplier is. One problem is utility trucks must have a clear path . They usually have to wait for roads to be cleared from downed trees and other debris. That can take a week or more, depending on the area. People trying to help often make matters worse.

    I realize NJ and NYC are not accustomed to hurricanes. Those of us who live along the Gulf Coast can tell you. The hurricane is the event... it's the long recovery period ... months to years... that fray your nerves. It's natural that people want to point fingers of blame. But the Red Cross is there. Utility trucks are working around the clock, working in shifts. Volunteers from across the country step up. And yes, FEMA, which works in tandem with the Red Cross and the city/state government. Understand that nothing will be the same for a very long time.
  • dekecds 2012/11/12 22:35:17
    Electric power companies should compete to hook up to your home or business.
    dekecds
    +3
    Unfortunately the masses seem to think that if the government gives more than one company the right to bid on you as a consumer, it will end in you having to pay too much. This does not make sense! Chewbacca Lives on Endor! You must acquit!
  • Blueskys dekecds 2012/11/13 00:52:59
    Blueskys
    Utilities are the best way.

    We just know the public will get shafted.
    And the nations power supplies will fail completely.
    Remember Enron.
  • Lanikai 2012/11/12 22:27:01
    Electric power companies should compete to hook up to your home or business.
    Lanikai
    +2
    They de-regulated the Baby Bells over a lack of competition, why not do the same for power?

    But every community SHOULD put all the power lines underground. THat saves a fortune in replacements and leads to WAY less loss of power during all kinds of storms,.
  • Rebel Yell Lanikai 2012/11/12 22:50:02
    Rebel Yell
    +2
    Exactly. Friends in Houston never lost power after Ike although there were downed trees. Lines were underground.
  • Lanikai Rebel Yell 2012/11/12 22:56:50
    Lanikai
    +2
    Well, each person with a power company account should be assessed $1000 over a one year period to accommodate the costs of underground. All of the framework is in place thanks to high speed cable being underground.

    Wouldn't take long and would save a fortune.
  • templer003 2012/11/12 21:40:37
    I have another idea.
    templer003
    +1
    i think that we all should look into ways to make our own power for our own use in our own homes where is it written that we should be slaves to power company's ????
  • Temlako... templer003 2012/11/12 23:23:31
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +1
    Right now, I don't see how you can generate the full load you typically get from a company hook-up for anything less than the rates they typically charge. That's why no one runs a standby natural-gas generator full-time, emergency or no emergency.
  • templer003 Temlako... 2012/11/13 02:16:35
    templer003
    I keep looking into way's that would prove economical, I have hope that someday, someone will come up with something we all can use..
  • Blueskys templer003 2012/11/13 00:54:20
    Blueskys
    +2
    Nobody is stopping you. In fact you are encouraged to do that in my state, and any extra can be sold to the utility.
  • Temlako... Blueskys 2012/11/13 01:33:56
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +1
    Know anybody who managed to generate electricity for less than the going rate? Counting ongoing supplies of fuel and so forth?
  • Blueskys Temlako... 2012/11/13 03:46:30
    Blueskys
    Yes, but not systems useful in New York winters.
    Small wind generators might work for you. I see them on some small ships at the Marina. They are too noisy for everyday use but in a emergency no one would care.

    PV panels bolted to the roof, the most common setup in California, average a 17 year payoff on capitol cost in energy savings but we don't have snow to cover them or overcast skies very often. Expected life of about 20 years before panels need replacement.

    Most have it set up so the power generated goes through the meter onto the grid, causing their meter to run backwards./ If they need more than they generate they draw in the extra needed off the grid and the meter turns normally.

    Some people have the power charge batteries, which they draw off when the sun goes down for the fridge, microwave and TV. Golf cart batteries do a decent job.
  • Theresa 2012/11/12 21:26:35
    I have another idea.
    Theresa
    +2
    Personally I would do away with the grid it is outdated and needs vast improvement. I suggest everyone be responsible for their own Electrical generation. There are many such devices now available.
  • Temlako... Theresa 2012/11/12 23:25:55
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +1
    I doubt that anyone could generate his own power for less than he currently pays. Otherwise, every house would long since have put its own generator in place.
  • Theresa Temlako... 2012/11/12 23:28:15
    Theresa
    +1
    I am not sure about that when some places pay 500 dollars a month so that would be 6000 a year when a generating system would be under 2500 at a first time investment.
  • Temlako... Theresa 2012/11/12 23:32:24
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    Ah, but how much do you think you would pay for the fuel to keep that generator running?

    There's more to the cost of a home improvement than cost of installation. There's cost of operation.
  • Theresa Temlako... 2012/11/13 00:24:24 (edited)
    Theresa
    +1
    What fuel? this is a total magnetic system There is no fuel. However there is batteries to store the excess.
  • Temlako... Theresa 2012/11/13 01:34:33
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    Hey, neighbor...with all due respect, aren't you describing a perpetual motion machine?
  • Theresa Temlako... 2012/11/13 05:09:06
    Theresa
    No because there is some mechanical loss but the principle is sound.
  • AM 2012/11/12 21:12:03
  • AL 2012/11/12 21:08:05
    I have another idea.
    AL
    +3
    Don't wait for Obama and his over sized Government to come and help you!

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