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  • chainsaw 2008/06/04 11:01:53
    B
    chainsaw
    +47
    I'm giving the man a solid B.

    He gets an A for preventing more terrorists’ attacks on our soil. He gets another A for not signing Kyoto. Heck, I'll give him another A for having to deal with the dimwits in Congress and the press. He gets yet another A for his Supreme Court nominations. Let me see, oh yea, how about another A for a nice landing on an aircraft carrier (ok, maybe that one is a B, he had some help).

    So, IMO, why didn't he get an A?

    He didn't pardon Scotter Libby or the 2 boarder agents that shot a drug smuggler.

    He was easy on the dimowits in Congress and should have used his veto power much sooner than the last 2 years.

    His energy and illegal immigration plans were below par.

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  • y2kelkdog 2009/01/10 18:58:39
    F
    y2kelkdog
    +5
    I didn't like Clinton but heres a couple of facts that "bushies" seem to forget .
    Also I voted For him his first term...Bush that is............


    From CNN White House Correspondent Kelly Wallace

    September 27, 2000
    Web posted at: 4:51 p.m. EDT (2051 GMT)

    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Clinton announced Wednesday that the federal budget surplus for fiscal year 2000 amounted to at least $230 billion, making it the largest in U.S. history and topping last year's record surplus of $122.7 billion.

    "Eight years ago, our future was at risk," Clinton said Wednesday morning. "Economic growth was low, unemployment was high, interest rates were high, the federal debt had quadrupled in the previous 12 years. When Vice President Gore and I took office, the budget deficit was $290 billion, and it was projected this year the budget deficit would be $455 billion."


    President Clinton announces that the federal budget surplus for fiscal year 2000 is the largest in U.S. history

    Instead, the president explained, the $5.7 trillion national debt has been reduced by $360 billion in the last three years -- $223 billion this year alone.

    This represents, Clinton said, "the largest one-year debt reduction in the history of the United States."

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    I didn't like Clinton but heres a couple of facts that "bushies" seem to forget .
    Also I voted For him his first term...Bush that is............


    From CNN White House Correspondent Kelly Wallace

    September 27, 2000
    Web posted at: 4:51 p.m. EDT (2051 GMT)

    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Clinton announced Wednesday that the federal budget surplus for fiscal year 2000 amounted to at least $230 billion, making it the largest in U.S. history and topping last year's record surplus of $122.7 billion.

    "Eight years ago, our future was at risk," Clinton said Wednesday morning. "Economic growth was low, unemployment was high, interest rates were high, the federal debt had quadrupled in the previous 12 years. When Vice President Gore and I took office, the budget deficit was $290 billion, and it was projected this year the budget deficit would be $455 billion."


    President Clinton announces that the federal budget surplus for fiscal year 2000 is the largest in U.S. history

    Instead, the president explained, the $5.7 trillion national debt has been reduced by $360 billion in the last three years -- $223 billion this year alone.

    This represents, Clinton said, "the largest one-year debt reduction in the history of the United States."

    "Like our Olympic athletes in Sydney, the American people are breaking all kinds of records these days. This is the first year we've balanced the budget without using the Medicare trust fund since Medicare was created in 1965. I think we should follow Al Gore's advice and lock those trust funds away for the future," he said.

    In June, the administration predicted the surplus would be $211 billion, and would increase by as much as $1 trillion over the next 10 years.

    "The key to fiscal discipline is maintaining these results year after year. We need to put our priorities in order," Clinton said.

    The president's news comes as lawmakers on Capitol Hill continue to wrestle with the fiscal year 2001 budget numbers. The new budget year begins October 1, and work has been completed on only two of the 13 annual spending bills, as the Republican-led Congress and the White House remain at odds over spending allocations.

    "I am concerned, frankly, about the size and last-minute nature of this year's congressional spending spree, where they seem to be loading up the spending bills with special projects for special interests, but can't seem to find the time to raise the minimum wage, or pass a patients' bill of rights, or drug benefits for our seniors through Medicare, or tax cuts for long-term care, child care, or college education," Clinton said.

    "These are the things that need to be done and I certainly hope they will be and still make the right investments and the right amount of tax cuts," Clinton said.

    Rep. J.C. Watts, R-Oklahoma, chairman of the House Republican Conference, said the GOP wants 90 percent of the surplus used for the debt. In a CNN interview, he said the other 10 percent should be used to "take care of a lot of priorities we have, like prescription drugs, making sure that our education needs are met, making sure some of our national security needs are met, and doing that while at the same time protecting the Social Security surplus and the Medicare surplus."

    That approach would be in lieu of tax cuts, which "we can't do this year because the president vetoed it," Watts said.

    Clinton unveiled the new numbers in a statement at the White House before departing for fund-raising events in Dallas and Houston.

    "This is part of our fiscal discipline to reduce the debt with the federal surplus," said one White House official who asked not to be identified. Reducing the debt, the official said, has "real effects for real Americans." It means lower interest rates for mortgages, car loans and college loans, and leads to an increase in investment and more jobs."

    It is the third year in a row the federal government has taken in more than it spent, and has paid down the debt. The last time the U.S. government had a third consecutive year of national debt reduction was 1949, said the official.

    The federal budget surplus for fiscal year 1999 was $122.7 billion, and $69.2 billion for fiscal year 1998. Those back-to-back surpluses, the first since 1957, allowed the Treasury to pay down $138 billion in national debt.


    (2)"Clinton Did Nothing to Stop Bin Laden" is a GOP Lie
    by: krazypuppy
    Thu Aug 30, 2007 at 13:10:04 PM CDT
    One of the biggest myths Republicans have spread is the idea that Democrats are weak on terror. Specifically, they have claimed that Bin Laden and the Taliban were able to carry out the devastating 9/11 attacks because Bill Clinton did nothing to stop Bin Laden.
    An email chain letter many of you may have seen goes so far as to blame Clinton for the deaths of over 7000 people. After listing several terror acttacks against Americans occurring in the 1990's which Clinton promised to avenge, they end the email with this:

    Maybe if Mr Clinton had kept his promise, an estimated 7,000 more people would be alive today.
    It was a classic and manipulative Republican tactic: state some facts, leave out key details, and then make an emotional and misleading insinuation that simply can't be argued against or for it.

    Think about it. No matter what Clinton did, those terror attacks could still have occurred and 7000 people would still have died. Oh, and those key details which this Rovian letter failed to mention? Specific actions which the Clinton administration undertook to hunt down those terrorists responsible for each one of those attacks - including the conviction of several terrorist leaders.

    What the GOP conveniently leaves out is the FACT that more terror suspects were convicted during Clinton's administration before 9/11 than were convicted in Bush's reign after 9/11.

    But the real insinuation of the email, the real lie that Republicans want the public to believe is that Clinton (and by extension the Democrats) did nothing to stop Bin Laden and the Taliban. Then the GOP can not only claim the 'Tough on Terror' mantle all by their lonesome, but they are also off the hook for not capturing Bin Laden or even eliminating the Taliban SIX years after 9/11.

    Well, the idea that Bill Clinton did nothing to stop Bin Laden and the Taliban is a lie and with the anniversary of 9/11 approaching, it's only right that we finally call the GOP on their lie.

    The Clinton/Gore administration went after Bin Laden right up to point of Bush entered the White House and had the Bush administration taken national security briefings from the Clinton anti-terror team seriously, the Twin Towers might still be standing.

    Instead the Bush team, including National Security Advisor Condi Rice dismissed Sandy Berger, Richard Clarke, and the Clinton team's warning as paranoia and were literally on vacation when ominous intelligence noise should have terrified them awake. Clinton was accused of being "obsessed with Bin Laden" and, as Republican Congressmen like Tom Delay and Arlen Specter insinuated, of trying to distract people from the Lewinsky scandal.

    Let's look at facts in detail and the 'Do nothing' claims of these Republicans.

    Incident Description Clinton's Response/ Results
    First World Trade Center
    (February 26, 1993): A car dentonates with 1,200 pounds of explosives in the World Trade Center parking garage killing six and injuring almost thousand. Bin Laden intended to topple the towers,which he finally did on 11 September 2001. Plot mastermind Ramzi Ahmed Yousef captured in 1995, convicted in November 1997, and sentenced to 240 years in prison.
    Four followers of the radical Egyptian cleric Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman captured, convicted in March 1994, and each are sentenced to 240 years in prison.

    One suspect fled and is believed to be in Baghdad - which makes you wonder why Bush hasn't captured him.

    American military camp Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
    (November 13, 1995) A van is detonated killing seven including five Americans. Saudi Arabian police arrest and behead four Saudi nationals in May 1996. The Saudis deny US agents access to the suspects and claim the men confessed to the attack.
    As you will discover, the Saudi government will repeatedly interfere or hinder American investigations and still do today. Considering Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah counts the Bush family as close friends, it's troubling that the Saudis are not more cooperative.

    Khobar Towers - Saudi apartment housing American soldiers
    June 25, 1996 A truck explodes with 5,000 pounds of explosives at the Khobar Towers apartments in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia and kill 19 Americans. The Saudis arrest 13 Saudis and a Lebanese chemist but again deny US agents attempts to question the suspects.
    Those suspects are still today in Saudi custody, despite being convicted by a federal grand jury in 2001. Again, you hve to wonder why George Bush hasn't used his friendly relationship with the Saudi royalty to give US prosecuters access to the suspects who must have valuable information.

    US Embassy in Africa
    August 7, 1998 The US embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania are destroyed by car bombs which kill 224 people and wound 5,000. Four followers of Osama bin Laden caught, convicted in U.S. federal court, and sentenced to life in prison without parole.
    In response, Clinton orders missile strikes in an effort to kill Osama bin Laden in August 1998. Republicans (and the media) accuse Clinton of trying manufacture a crisis to get people to stop talking about Monica S. Lewinsky.

    Some accused him of being obsessed with bin Laden and even of hysteria.

    Fourteen other suspects were indicted and like bin Laden remain at large. Three Londoners are fighting extradition.

    USS Cole
    October 12, 2000 Two suicide bombers detonate explosives on a skiff next to the USS Cole in Aden, Yemen, killing 17 American sailors and injured 37 more. This time Republicans can actually say Clinton did not convict anybody related to the attack. Why? Because the attack occurred just ONE month before the 2000 election!
    If they really expect Clinton to convict anyone in a month, then they need to ask why George Bush hasn't caught bin Laden in SIX years!

    A Saudi, Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, supposedly confessed to plotting the attack but has testfied that he only confessed due to CIA torture tactics implemented during Bush's reign.

    Besides the moral implications that stem from possibly jailing and torturing an innocent man (though al-Nashiri is no angel), the information al-Nashiri provides is suspect.

    Further by torturing him, did the Bush administration make a martyr out of a criminal (he claims to have essentially conned bin Laden) and further alienate Muslims?


    So those are the events cited by Republicans and that Rovian email as 'proof' that Clinton and the Democrats did nothing to stop Bin Laden. They never mentioned any of the convictions the Clinton administration pursued and obtained. Or the fact that they controlled Congress and when American national security was at risk, they were more interested in spending our resources and attention on oral sex.

    And most definitely Republicans want to avoid all mention of the fact that SIX years after 3000+ Americans were murdered on their watch, the man and the group responsible for the attacks has not been caught and has actually gotten stronger!

    As John F. Harris wrote in The Washington Post:


    In August 1998, when [Clinton] ordered missile strikes in an effort to kill Osama bin Laden, there was widespread speculation - from such people as Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) - that he was acting precipitously to draw attention away from the Monica S. Lewinsky scandal, then at full boil. Some said he was mistaken for personalizing the terrorism struggle so much around bin Laden. And when he ordered the closing of Pennsylvania Avenue in front of the White House after domestic terrorism in Oklahoma City, some Republicans accused him of hysteria.
    . . . the federal budget on anti-terror activities tripled during Clinton's watch, to about $6.7 billion. After the effort to kill bin Laden with missiles in August 1998 failed - he had apparently left a training camp in Afghanistan a few hours earlier - recent news reports have detailed numerous other instances, as late as December 2000, when Clinton was on the verge of unleashing the military again. In each case, the White House chose not to act because of uncertainty that intelligence was good enough to find bin Laden, and concern that a failed attack would only enhance his stature in the Arab world.
    The facts are that Clinton probably responded to Bin Laden as much as pre-9/11 politics would allow him to. But some people still want to blame Clinton for not stopping Bin Laden.

    It's so that no one ever holds these hacks accountable for their incompetent and ineffective handling of the 'War on Terror.'
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  • KUDABUX y2kelkdog 2009/01/10 19:14:03
    KUDABUX
    +2
    Thanks for the informative post, Y2!!
  • y2kelkdog KUDABUX 2009/01/10 19:20:43
    y2kelkdog
    +2
    You Are Welcome
    As a converted Independant I try to look at both sides of an issue ....No president in my lifetime rates anything above a C..... There was alot more out there about both Billy and Georgey but I guess for balance I should create a couple blogs and or Questions of my own................
  • KUDABUX y2kelkdog 2009/01/10 19:24:46
    KUDABUX
    +1
    Sounds good. Can't wait. :-)
  • Utahlady y2kelkdog 2009/01/14 17:20:46
    Utahlady
    +2
    I was born and raised in arkansas.The state was in dire need of a better direction.Governor Bill Clinton stepped up and got us out of the hole.Putting people to work that just wanted to lay around and accept welfare.Hail to the chief!!!!!!
  • lynnie 2008/12/28 02:49:41
    F
    lynnie
    +4
    Is there anything lower than an F ?
  • Arokk 2008/12/24 14:45:05
    D
    Arokk
    He doesn't fail because we haven't got total Martial Law or nuclear war...but he's one screw up away from failing.
  • nbv 2008/12/18 02:07:22
    A
    nbv
    test
  • alexandstarsefron 2008/12/14 20:48:58
    C
    alexandstarsefron
    he was ok could of been better
  • devildidit 2008/12/12 15:07:20
    F
    devildidit
    +3
    He's even worse than an "F".
  • Liberal-LDS-Kennedy-Democrat 2008/12/12 05:07:39
    F
    Liberal-LDS-Kennedy-Democrat
    +3
    His total lack of respect for the constitution and the separation of powers goes beyond any administration I know of. This man is the best example of when a president, his vice president and most of his cabinet should all be IMPEACHED! I say we exile the bunch of them to GITMO and never let them return. Also that is the only place that is appropriate for the Bush Presidential Library to be built. Not that there would be much intelectual worth in it. But; when the World Court on War Crimes or Human Rights needs reference they would be able to locate both the villians and their memoirs in that infamous place THEY built!
  • DrInteg... Liberal... 2008/12/21 04:30:56
    DrIntegrity
    I think instead of a library, Jon Stewart and Daily Show cast had a better suggestion. They recommended we build GW an arcade/go kart track. He wouldn't know what to do in a library - and would probably appreciate the fun and games much more. I think we should start a petition to implement this (I predict (unless coached by his cronies), GW will be the first to sign)!
  • jordan 2008/12/12 03:25:07
    B
    jordan
    i feel like trashing bush has become a trend, much like voting obama.

    either way, they are both leaders of our country and deserve our support.
  • atmer jordan 2009/01/15 07:01:47
  • karla_sweet 2008/12/12 01:33:23
    F
    karla_sweet
    +1
    the worst yet
  • bkmy995 2008/12/12 01:29:12
    F
    bkmy995
    +1
    stupid puppet asshole. he's the puppet of dick cheney. how can u even rate him above a D?? he's the reason mothers lost their sons in a f'ed up war. and the war was a lie. he's too dumb to be president without his advisors.
  • buddhistmama 2008/12/11 22:14:20
    C
    buddhistmama
    he did what he could with what he created. meh. C
  • cheryl_flowers 2008/12/11 21:36:41
    A
    cheryl_flowers
    I think he did a great job considering all the circumstances. He needed to communicate a little better however. Also...people did money back from income tax bonus, was quick to respond to a national emergency and national security was much better once implamented.
  • atmer cheryl_... 2009/01/15 07:02:22
  • cj2008 cheryl_... 2009/01/18 18:15:47
    cj2008
    I agree. I liked and appreciated his communication style. I was sooo tired of hearing long winded speeches only to have learned little to nothing by the end of the speech (Clinton. Hillary and Bill have similar styles there.) With GW he said what needed to be said and let us go back to our lives.
    Now with Obama - he's a great speaker in speeches, not so good in debates. In regular speaking where he has to come up with words from his head -- not practiced like speeches -- he only says 3-5 words between long pauses with lots of "ah, ah, uh, uh, uh,'s " in there.
  • Gradord 2008/12/10 23:18:44
    D
    Gradord
    he tried at least
  • largo1 2008/12/10 22:10:57
    F
    largo1
    +2
    unfortunately there is nothing lower than F
  • AuburnOne largo1 2008/12/11 21:29:28
    AuburnOne
    +1
    I totally agree! This man has made a mockery out of the presidency. He had NOTHING to do w/PREVENTING attacks on the U.S. It happened "on his watch" (his words). There really weren't any planned attacks after that, so how did he prevent them? The attending war after the attacks had NOTHING TO DO W/ the attacks at all. We weren't attacked by IRAQ!!!!!!!!! F minus-minus.
  • Irie 2008/12/10 17:40:29
    D
    Irie
    I would have said C-, but had to settle for D.
  • sami 2008/12/10 17:27:23
    F
    sami
    +3
    Economy is bad ... His advisers did not stop 9/11 even though they were warned ... Started a war and the military lies to students to get them to sign up ... Pres. and his vice are known for greed ...
  • KUDABUX 2008/12/08 23:55:47
    F
    KUDABUX
    +2
    F minus
  • baldingbucknut 2008/12/08 17:53:50
    D
    baldingbucknut
    +1
    The only reason I didn't give him an F is because he somehow managed to avoid impeachment. Gerald Ford must be happy, because Bush will go down as the most bumbling leader ever.
  • benzy 2008/12/08 02:58:23
    A
    benzy
    despite of the problems with the economy, President Bush deserves an A+. President Bush is fearless. no matter how much criticism he gets from the media, that didn't stop him from doing what is right for this country. thanks to our dearest President Bush, we never have to fret about being attacked again.
  • DrInteg... benzy 2008/12/08 06:45:32 (edited)
    DrIntegrity
    +3
    I can't decide if whatever medication you're on is something I want... because it must be heavily hallucinogenic or sedating...
    or don't want - because then I might start to think like you seem to....
    Our country is collapsing in EVERY way -- and while not all, MUCH of it is linked to HIS administration and what has transpired in the last 8 yrs. To "remain fearless and go forward" even when the majority of those around you (80% of Amer public) thinks you are WRONG - isn't leadership - it's stupidity. If you read books on outstanding leaders throughout history, one of the primary characteristics that define the really good ones is an ability to listen to varied opinions - to keep an open mind - and to adjust your views based on knowledge and data. Bush has done exactly the opposite - and in a bull headed way has remained steadfast in views that almost everyone seems to recognize have been misguided (at the least) or based on fabricated data (in many cases - deliberately made up information - including what was used to convince the AMerican public and Congres we should go to war)
  • benzy DrInteg... 2008/12/08 16:56:21
    benzy
    i'm sorry you feel that way! that was funny what you said on the first sentence..LOL! i'm not on medication, but thanks for your concern ; )
    well, i don't go based on what the majority around me think i am wrong! i don't care about being right or wrong...i just see how President Bush is going through. i think he is not afraid of anything. your point of view is stupidity, but my point of view is opposite!
  • Wells benzy 2008/12/08 19:37:57
    Wells
    +1
    Benzy, George W Bush doesn't give a damn about you or about what you think about him. Maybe you're a tyrant too, demanding loyalty no matter how badly you screw up. George Duh-bya comes from a long line of rotten aristocrats. And to them, you are a peon, and I mean Pee - on !! like you're a joke to them.
  • benzy Wells 2008/12/09 00:59:56
    benzy
    to Wells:

    ohhh man! yeah, i guess you're right. President Bush cares less what you think of him too. at least he became president twice. but hey, let's face it. thanks to President Bush we didn't have rockets hitting us anymore, otherwise you wouldn't be replying to me.
  • Wells benzy 2008/12/09 04:20:35
    Wells
    +2
    BS, Benzy. Try 4200+ dead in Iraq. Try a worldwide increase in terrorist organization that puts us in MORE danger, not less. I will blame YOU if we are attacked again. After 911 we had the world on our side. Bush's Iraq War turned that upside down. Don't use that nonsense argument any more. It is a lie you've been made a fool believing.

    Hey, sorry man. Yes, we must take extreme measures sometimes, war as a last resort, get international support, etc. But, your idiot president and his cohorts wanted their war and wouldn't listen to reason. But whatever, Benji. Work on Sarah Palin jokes for a laugh. Jesus, imagine that bitch in the White House?
  • benzy Wells 2008/12/09 04:47:22
    benzy
    nice one, willy! deaths occur in car accidents more than the deaths in iraq. pray that we don't get attacked, otherwise i will blame YOU and OBAMA for not protecting our country. you are foolish enough to believe that 'talking' to our enemies will solve everything. we need action, not words. forget about palin...i don't even like her anyway. now that hillary is the secretary of state, i'll send you hillary jokes
  • Wells benzy 2008/12/09 05:21:41
    Wells
    +1
    Bring on the Hillary jokes, please. The reason I'll blame you, Benzy, is because you won't listen to reason either. Military leaders generally say it's best to not force our enemies into attacking us. We pushed Iran and North Korea into a corner and they cranked up their nuclear program. Asshole Bush was not a military man, nor was Cheney, nor the rest of the neo-cons. These jerks went into Iraq to set up a client state for economic exploitation, for oil, as Greenspan, many authorities and any honest observer will admit.

    There's about 40,000 automobile-related deaths annually, around 500,000 major injuries. This is another strawman argument you shouldn't use. Deaths in Iraq were as unnecessary as the war itself. Don't tell me about it. Tell the families of those who died in Iraq. Most veterans are against war.
  • benzy Wells 2008/12/09 06:07:08
    benzy
    wars existed so many years ago. people dying in war is nothing new. give the families of those who died in iraq some credit: they were brave souls and fought for what is right for this country. many assholes ungrateful americans don't realize that. many veterans know what is to fight for your country and they cannot go against the war. c'mon, they went to war too!!
  • Wells benzy 2008/12/09 06:23:55
    Wells
    +2
    Nam was unjust and this Iraq War is unjust. I'm a veteran who wasn't against war until I served. OK? I'm not talking about dufus anti-war protesters who don't know shit. Most guys who serve end up being against another fucking war. Period. George Dumb ass Bush fucked up with a God damn vengence. He didn't make the country safer. End of story.
  • benzy Wells 2008/12/09 16:57:55 (edited)
    benzy
    actually, it was our enemies who turned to us with vengeance and President Bush responded quickly before they wipe us out. i think that was brave of what the president had done. even the democrats were in favor of the war, including hillary clinton, john kerry, and others. hillary once said that we should support President Bush with the war of iraq. the president did not make the final decision. the people in the white house who is over the president felt it was the right thing to do.
    a true american don't regret serving their country. i understand the fact many young people died in the war, but let's face it...its war!!! ever since with the war of iraq, we no longer have to worry about terrorisim. the story with the terrorism never ends!
  • Wells benzy 2008/12/09 18:41:40
    Wells
    +2
    Benzy, nevermind. You're wrong. Try to not think about politics too much. You haven't got the sense to make a reasonable case and it shows. Get a better hobby. Leave the politics to clearer minds. The world needs people like you who really shouldn't get involved in weighty matters. Without your type, those who really fight these battles wouldn't have a sweetheart to come home to. I know. My girlfriend is like you and I wouldn't have her any other way. Every time she tries to make an intellectual case on some matter, I just smile and show I love her no matter what. You can do better on more important things than making a completely lame case in favor of Bush's tragic decision for war. Bush lied. He manipulated the evidence implicating Saddam Hussein as a sponsor of terrorism that represented an immediate threat to the world. The result of Bush's Iraq War has made the threat of terrorism worse.

    I've got Rush Limbaugh on the radio right now. God, that man is filthy liar deceiver. He should be put in jail for crimes against humanity.
  • benzy Wells 2008/12/09 20:01:04
    benzy
    well, its not about making an intellectual case. its just the way i see things. if President Bush lied and created this whole tragic event of the war, he should have been impeached. this is what this website is all about, opinions. i'm sure i'll be talking alot about politics since that's my favorite subject. my opinion is that we all should support him no matter what. if their sweethearts cannot come home, then they shouldn't apply for military in the first place. my other opinion, we should honor for those who gave their lives for our country and for our freedom. tell your girlfriend i said hi ; )...thank you!

    i don't like rush limbaugh as much. i stopped listening to him

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