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How would tougher gun laws have stopped attack like Columbine, Virginia Tech, Aurora, and so on?

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  • cutter's falls 2012/08/11 21:59:17
    cutter's falls
    +3
    if I remember right
    some crazy sumbitch blew up a building with fertilizer and a truck
    outlawing firearms will not stop the crazies from hurting others
    but I have noticed the crimmals never go after a cop shop
    only gun free zones
    wonder what that is all about

    3000 dead and no guns, 9/11

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  • Dagon 2012/09/08 16:27:32
  • Professor Wizard 2012/08/14 19:15:33
    Professor Wizard
    Simple... they wouldn't!

    But.. they would make it easier for criminals to rape our women and children.

    They would also make it much easier for Terrorists to torture us and get away with it.

    AND.. they would make it easier for another country to attempt a hostile takeover of mainland USA, because they would be unopposed by the unarmed general population.
  • Jensenmk 2012/08/13 07:49:42
    Jensenmk
    They don't; our gun laws enable criminals.
  • 4570GOVT 2012/08/13 00:15:47
    4570GOVT
    +1
    ZERO - " 0 " - ZILCH - NADA - and any other word meaning nothing . NOTHING can stop a crazy person from carrying out his plan !
  • Ron in Oregon 2012/08/12 03:31:03
    Ron in Oregon
    NO!
  • santa6642 2012/08/12 03:09:55
    santa6642
    +1
    They would of not worked at all. Look at what is being revieled about the attack, They Knew in advance and did nothing, So how will more laws work when you do not use what you already have on record.
  • j2 2012/08/12 00:40:24
  • CHUCK 2012/08/12 00:38:16
  • santa6642 CHUCK 2012/08/12 03:10:29
    santa6642
    +2
    That is pretty,
  • Scully+... CHUCK 2012/08/21 03:49:02 (edited)
    Scully+MulderWereRight
    For the record: I embrace the 2nd Amendment and the right of a citizen in good standing to posses and carry a weapon. That said, I have for a long time considered the comparison that says rocks or knives or any other handheld, non-firearm weapon are just as deadly as guns in the hands of a determined individual to be really lame!

    To use a rock in a deadly manner requires a significant level of personal involvement and exposure. The more you distance yourself from your target, your accuracy and effectiveness decrease exponentially.

    Using a modern weapon, or even an antique one, you're able to deliver lethal power without revealing your location, or even your presence.

    Granted, a rock and a Glock are similar in potential deadliness. but quantum levels different in range, scope and effectiveness, thus making the comparison, in my mind, lame.
  • CHUCK Scully+... 2012/08/26 01:02:53 (edited)
    CHUCK
    +1
    JIM JONES HAD NO GUN.
    TIM MC VEIFGH HAD NO GUN..
    CHARLES MANSON HAD NO GUN..
    IT IS THE PERSON THAT IS THE PROBLEM.. ASK ABLE ABOUT THE ROCK.


    911 GUN.
  • Scully+... CHUCK 2012/08/26 06:49:08
    Scully+MulderWereRight
    I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

    Jim Jones and Charles Manson had charismatic personalities, an audience that they were able to persuade to do their bidding, and extensive periods of time to do that persuading and the planning and grooming of their minions to commit the crimes that occurred.

    Timothy McVeigh had a 'firearm' the size of a truck. It's effectiveness speaks for itself, but you'll need to clarify your comparison or contrast between it and a pistol.

    "Cain rose up and slew his brother, Able." One man, one rock (presumably, scripture doesn't specify the weapon used), one victim. I seriously doubt that one man with one rock could have killed the number of people that were killed in any of the examples cited.

    Again, I am a 2nd Amendment proponent. Always have been, likely always will be. What I take exception to is the "rock and Glock" comparison.

    Charles Whitman climbed to the top of a tower on the University of Texas Campus in 1966. In one-and-a-half hours, using a high-powered rifle and scope, he shot 45 strangers, killing fourteen of them. I seriously doubt that he would have been able to kill even one pigeon nesting on the tower, much less a human being, if he had been limited to using only rocks. Please tell me that's not what you're trying to say.

    Yo...
    I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

    Jim Jones and Charles Manson had charismatic personalities, an audience that they were able to persuade to do their bidding, and extensive periods of time to do that persuading and the planning and grooming of their minions to commit the crimes that occurred.

    Timothy McVeigh had a 'firearm' the size of a truck. It's effectiveness speaks for itself, but you'll need to clarify your comparison or contrast between it and a pistol.

    "Cain rose up and slew his brother, Able." One man, one rock (presumably, scripture doesn't specify the weapon used), one victim. I seriously doubt that one man with one rock could have killed the number of people that were killed in any of the examples cited.

    Again, I am a 2nd Amendment proponent. Always have been, likely always will be. What I take exception to is the "rock and Glock" comparison.

    Charles Whitman climbed to the top of a tower on the University of Texas Campus in 1966. In one-and-a-half hours, using a high-powered rifle and scope, he shot 45 strangers, killing fourteen of them. I seriously doubt that he would have been able to kill even one pigeon nesting on the tower, much less a human being, if he had been limited to using only rocks. Please tell me that's not what you're trying to say.

    You're right, the shooter is the problem. But it's the weapon that makes the problem a national news story. If you don't acknowledge that and address it you're ignoring the bigger problem.
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  • CHUCK Scully+... 2012/08/28 02:41:26
    CHUCK
    +1
    PEOPLE KILL.WITH WHAT EVER BAD PEOPLE CAN FIND TO KILL.
  • Theresa 2012/08/11 23:30:31
    Theresa
    +1
    They would not affect the out come one bit! If anything they could have been worse because no opposition at all!
  • Schläue~© 2012/08/11 22:06:35
    Schläue~©
    +2
    There is no such thing as a gun law that prohibits an evil mind from carrying out their deeds.
    Ban guns completely, only the criminals have guns.
    Even in a magical world where they all disappear, the criminals learn how to make a bomb with ingredients and materials available at local stores.

    It's not the weapons, people. It's the moral decline of society.
  • CHUCK Schläue~© 2012/08/26 01:04:03
    CHUCK
    SO TRUE..
  • Dagon Schläue~© 2012/09/08 16:32:17
  • Schläue~© Dagon 2012/09/08 16:44:56
    Schläue~©
    +1
    True,... the mid 1700 blunderbuss was basically, just that.
    Rifling dates back to the 1490's in use with cannons and other non-hand held devices.
  • Dagon Schläue~© 2012/09/08 17:30:02
  • dallasjoe 2012/08/11 22:04:53
    dallasjoe
    +1
    might have limted the carnage with small magizines I think we should follow the Founding fathers and go back to Muzzle Loaders
  • Schläue~© dallasjoe 2012/08/11 22:13:58
    Schläue~©
    +2
    Ever heard of carrying multiple mags?
    It takes less than two seconds for an experienced shooter to reload.
    How about a secondary weapon?
    Who's going to go 'John Wayne' on that?

    More citizens packing heat is the answer.
    No waiting for that moment of opportunity,.... fire at will.
  • dallasjoe Schläue~© 2012/08/11 22:16:33
    dallasjoe
    that is why I think for Civilians and Police it should only be Muzzle loaders as the Founding Fathers wanted
  • Schläue~© dallasjoe 2012/08/11 22:19:18
    Schläue~©
    +1
    Great,... tell the guy who's spraying the crowd with an AK-47, that he needs to take a time out so everyone can re-load.

    Are you drunk, by chance?
  • dallasjoe Schläue~© 2012/08/11 22:22:52 (edited)
    dallasjoe
    no I beleive that th Founding Fathers never say the Semi automatic rifle so if you believe in the 2nd AD go back to Muzzle loaders, If you want a Soviet Sniper Rifle you missed it the Seal who imported Hundreds and pounds of C3 and Simtex from Iraq is in Jai;
  • Schläue~© dallasjoe 2012/08/11 22:36:38
    Schläue~©
    +1
    They never saw an automobile, aircraft, computer or ICBM, either.

    Never mind, you're drunk.
  • dallasjoe Schläue~© 2012/08/11 22:43:40 (edited)
    dallasjoe
    ok so Can I have a MARK 12 40 MT air droppable Nuke?

    You are German and probally a Door man at a Hotel We do not tell you who to elect as Chancellor
  • CHUCK Schläue~© 2012/08/26 01:07:46
    CHUCK
    +1
    U R TOO LOGICAL..

    THESE GUYS FORGOT ABOUT THE CAL. LAW..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
  • Schläue~© CHUCK 2012/08/26 01:28:49
    Schläue~©
    +1
    Ah,... the B of A robbery which is a standard training film for every academy and the sole reason LEO's have been equipped with modified AR-15's ever since.
  • j2 dallasjoe 2012/08/12 00:31:21
    j2
    Look up development of breech loaders and the Ferguson rifle in particular
  • dallasjoe j2 2012/08/12 07:41:48
    dallasjoe
    was it pre 1780?
  • j2 dallasjoe 2012/08/12 14:34:38
    j2
    +1
    You didn't look it up did you?

    1777
  • dallasjoe j2 2012/08/12 18:32:01
    dallasjoe
    no i know the Speed of Light
  • dallasjoe j2 2012/08/12 18:33:18
    dallasjoe
    one the US Consitutional Convention was 1787 and the Bill of Rights were added in the 1790s
  • dallasjoe j2 2012/08/12 18:37:39
    dallasjoe
    looked it up still non cartiage you had to open the Breech put in powder and then turn the Breeching mechnaism 11 times. Only 100 were made for the British Army 1777 used at Saratoa a battle the british LOST
  • j2 dallasjoe 2012/08/12 18:43:30
    j2
    +1
    Cartridges were in use in 1715. Given the Ferguson was used in the Revolutionary War the founders were well aware of it's existence and advantages. The point being that they didn't specify that "MUZZLELOADERS" and non-cartridge arms were the only protected weapons.

    Therefore your thesis is spurious and unconvincing.
  • dallasjoe j2 2012/08/12 18:45:12
    dallasjoe
    ok why can't you have RPGs Nukes all firearms RIGHT
  • Dagon dallasjoe 2012/09/08 16:35:56
  • dallasjoe Dagon 2012/09/12 05:35:51 (edited)
    dallasjoe
    +1
    RPG 7 or Mark 12's thermal Nuclear Devices?
  • Dagon dallasjoe 2012/09/12 06:06:48 (edited)
  • dallasjoe Dagon 2012/09/13 21:42:14
    dallasjoe
    +1
    Mark 12 travels at the Speed of Light

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