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How will the Supreme Court rule on Obamacare?

paul 2012/06/26 10:44:53
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If it is struck down entirely, I will be one on the biggest political blunders of our time.


If it ends up a partial ruling, the Health Care Reform bill will be a mess.


If it is upheld, the Supreme court will have handed their gavel over to the Executive branch.

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  • Artist 2012/06/26 12:12:32
    Partial ruling
    Artist
    +4
    It think we've already seen how the court is going to rule in how they ruled against obama over the Arizona thing. The Mandate will go as will a couple of other things but it will probably be partially approved. But without the Mandate, obamacare loses it's funding so the whole thing will collapse.

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  • wildbill 2012/07/02 04:30:20
    It will be up held
    wildbill
    +1
    Now that the Affordable Health Care Act has been ruled constitutional, Americans will have to ajust to the following.

    Simplified, the bill does a few big things:

    Prevents insurance companies from denying customers for pre-existing conditions.
    Allows young adults to stay on their parent's insurance until age 26.
    Limits age-rating, or charging premiums several times higher for older customers.
    Eliminates lifetime insurance caps and restricts annual limits.
    Restricts how much insurance companies can spend on non-medical costs (overhead).
    Mandates that everyone acquire health insurance by 2014 or face a tax, offering subsidies or Medicaid for those who can't afford it.

    Here's what's important: According to the Census Bureau, 49.9 million Americans didn't have health insurance in 2009. Part of that is due to the weak economy; most of those without health insurance have a very low or nonexistent income. But a lot is due to soaring costs that have put insurance out of reach for the gainfully employed. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, 69% of businesses offered workers health insurance in 2000. By 2009, that number had dropped to 60%. It's almost certainly lower today. Our health-care system doesn't work for far too many Americans, which likely explains why most of the policies outlined above are pretty popular.
  • KrSpo 2012/06/28 22:52:36
    It will be up held
    KrSpo
    done already
  • A.S.A.C. Hank Schrader 2012/06/28 01:48:24 (edited)
    Partial ruling
    A.S.A.C. Hank Schrader
    At first, I thought it was going to get struck down entirely, but based on what happened with the Arizona ruling, it's looking more and more likely that it will at least partially be upheld. I'm pretty sure, at the very least, that the individual mandate will get struck down, but that's the only provision I see getting struck down. Seeing a how most of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act doesn't go into effect until 2014, supposedly after we end the wars abroad and stop spending so much on military/defense spending, we could probably just pull some of the money out of the defense budget, and use that to fund PPACA instead of the individual mandate.
  • wildbill A.S.A.C... 2012/07/12 23:53:03
    wildbill
    November 2009
    Key Provisions of Health Reform that Take Effect Immediately
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/hea...
    1) Small Business Tax Credits

    Offers tax credits to small businesses to make employee coverage more affordable. Tax credits of up to 35 percent of premiums will be available to firms that choose to offer coverage. Effective beginning calendar year 2010. (Beginning in 2014, the small business tax credits will cover 50 percent of premiums.)
    2) No Discrimination Against Children with Pre-Existing Conditions

    Prohibits new health plans in all markets plus grandfathered group health plans from denying coverage to children with pre‐existing conditions. Effective 6 months after enactment. (Beginning in 2014, this prohibition would apply to all persons.)
    3) Help for Uninsured American with Pre-Existing Conditions until Exchange is Available (Interim High-Risk Pool)

    Provides access to affordable insurance for Americans who are uninsured because of a pre‐existing condition through a temporary subsidized high‐risk pool. Effective in 2010.
    4) Ends Rescissions

    Bans insurance companies from dropping people from coverage when they get sick. Effective 6 months after enactment.
    5) Begins to Close the Medicare Part D Donut Hole

    Provides a $250 rebate to Medicare beneficiar...








































    November 2009
    Key Provisions of Health Reform that Take Effect Immediately
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/hea...
    1) Small Business Tax Credits

    Offers tax credits to small businesses to make employee coverage more affordable. Tax credits of up to 35 percent of premiums will be available to firms that choose to offer coverage. Effective beginning calendar year 2010. (Beginning in 2014, the small business tax credits will cover 50 percent of premiums.)
    2) No Discrimination Against Children with Pre-Existing Conditions

    Prohibits new health plans in all markets plus grandfathered group health plans from denying coverage to children with pre‐existing conditions. Effective 6 months after enactment. (Beginning in 2014, this prohibition would apply to all persons.)
    3) Help for Uninsured American with Pre-Existing Conditions until Exchange is Available (Interim High-Risk Pool)

    Provides access to affordable insurance for Americans who are uninsured because of a pre‐existing condition through a temporary subsidized high‐risk pool. Effective in 2010.
    4) Ends Rescissions

    Bans insurance companies from dropping people from coverage when they get sick. Effective 6 months after enactment.
    5) Begins to Close the Medicare Part D Donut Hole

    Provides a $250 rebate to Medicare beneficiaries who hit the donut hole in 2010. Effective for calendar year 2010. (Beginning in 2011, institutes a 50 percent discount on prescription drugs in the donut hole; also completely closes the donut hole by 2020.)
    6) Free Preventive Care under Medicare

    Eliminates co‐payments for preventive services and exempts preventive services from deductibles under the Medicare program. Effective beginning January 1, 2011.
    7) Extends Coverage for Young People up to 26th Birthday through Parents' Insurance

    Requires new health plans and certain grandfathered plans to allow young people up to their 26th birthday to remain on their parents’ insurance policy, at the parents’ choice. Effective 6 months after enactment.
    8) Help for Early Retirees

    Creates a temporary re‐insurance program (until the Exchanges are available) to help offset the costs of expensive premiums for employers and retirees for health benefits for retirees age 55‐64. Effective in 2010.
    9) Bans Lifetime Limits on Coverage

    Prohibits health insurance companies from placing lifetime caps on coverage. Effective 6 months after enactment.
    10) Bans Restrictive Annual Limits on Coverage

    Tightly restricts the use of annual limits to ensure access to needed care in all new plans and grandfathered group health plans. These tight restrictions will be defined by HHS. Effective 6 months after enactment. (Beginning in 2014, the use of any annual limits would be prohibited for all new plans and grandfathered group health plans.)
    11) Free Preventive Care under New Private Plans

    Requires new private plans to cover preventive services with no co‐payments and with preventive services being exempt from deductibles. Effective 6 months after enactment.
    12) New, Independent Appeals Process

    Ensures consumers in new plans have access to an effective internal and external appeals process to appeal decisions by their health insurance plan. Effective 6 months after enactment.
    13) Ensures Value for Premium Payments

    Requires plans in the individual and small group market to spend 80 percent of premium dollars on medical services, and plans in the large group market to spend 85 percent. Insurers that do not meet these thresholds must provide rebates to policyholders. Effective on January 1, 2011.
    14) Community Health Centers

    Increases funding for Community Health Centers to allow for nearly a doubling of the number of patients seen by the centers over the next 5 years. Effective beginning in fiscal year 2011.
    15) Increases the Number of Primary Care Practitioners

    Provides new investments to increase the number of primary care practitioners, including doctors, nurses, nurse practitioners, and physician assistants. Effective beginning in fiscal year 2011.
    16) Prohibits Discrimination Based on Salary

    Prohibits new group health plans from establishing any eligibility rules for health care coverage that have the effect of discriminating in favor of higher wage employees. Effective 6 months after enactment.
    17) Health Insurance Consumer Information

    Provides aid to states in establishing offices of health insurance consumer assistance in order to help individuals with the filing of complaints and appeals. Effective beginning in fiscal year 2010.
    18) Holds Insurance Companies Accountable for Unreasonable Rate Hikes

    Creates a grant program to support States in requiring health insurance companies to submit justification for all requested premium increases, and insurance companies with excessive or unjustified premium exchanges may not be able to participate in the new Health Insurance Exchanges. Starting in plan year 2011

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/hea...
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  • Heisenberg 2012/06/28 01:25:28
    It will be up held
    Heisenberg
    +1
    Hopefully it'll be upheld, but that's wishful thinking. If they strike it down, that'll just show they're unscrupulous bastards with no morals.
  • JP Heisenberg 2012/06/28 01:38:17
    JP
    How so? the job of the SCOTUS is to determine the constitutionality of a bill. I haven't found it in the Constitution anywhere that I have to pay for your doctor visits.
  • Heisenberg JP 2012/06/28 01:51:09
    Heisenberg
    +3
    Silly conservative! You're already doing that with Medicaid and Medicare.
  • JP Heisenberg 2012/06/28 02:30:46
    JP
    Not using, just paying into a system that allows for the finest of the fine for the government unions and the government officials while wondering if they are going to leave some scraps for us.
  • Heisenberg JP 2012/06/28 02:33:17
    Heisenberg
    +2
    That's just a fear mongering technique they use. France has universal health care, and their system was ranked number one in the entire world. Yes, there are some who think poor people and minorities don't deserve the same quality care they get, but this is America. FYI - we don't have the finest of the fine anymore.
  • JP Heisenberg 2012/06/28 02:44:52
    JP
    Are the poor and the minorities in their own special victim category? I was poor, and got help. Before Obamacare was signed and raised my insurance rates at an unprecedented pace.

    16 trillion in debt, and you think insolvency is fear mongering?

    Which government union do you work for?
  • Heisenberg JP 2012/06/28 02:48:32 (edited)
    Heisenberg
    +1
    If the numbers pan out right, the debt will go down because nobody will need Medicare and Medicaid. I've been denied by many insurance companies because of preexisting conditions. Yes, the poor and minorities are victims because insurance companies take advantage of them and milk them for every penny. They only care about maximizing profits.

    The debt is because of the war in Iraq. I find it amusing how none of the conservatives ever complained about it when Bush was in office, but then it was a huge deal when Obama took over. This is what happens when you cut taxes and go to war with two countries. You can thank Bush for that not Obama.
  • JP Heisenberg 2012/06/28 03:00:56
    JP
    According to Wiki who quotes the Center for American Progress, the war will run us about 4 trillion through 2060 when figuring long term care for military personnel. I rounded up their estimation for your benefit.

    Obama campaigned on Afghanistan as being the right war, so that one's a split. Even though Saddam got a trial and murdered many more people than OBL.

    Obamacare forces me to buy insurance, doesn't seem to be cutting in on their profits with a whole bunch of new "forced" customers.
  • Heisenberg JP 2012/06/28 03:45:16
    Heisenberg
    +1
    Obamacare also forces insurance companies to make it affordable. They didn't mention that part on FOX News. We won't be in Afghanistan by 2060. They're trying now to pull all our troops out next year. Saddam posed no threat to us. We were only over there because of the oil. Those weapons of mass destruction we gave him under the Reagan Administration, but nobody ever mentioned that. This is the same Reagan who was selling weapons to the contras.
  • JP Heisenberg 2012/06/28 03:51:59
    JP
    You cite cable news yet cling to the assumption that Iraq supplies us with a lot of out oil.

    "sigh"
  • Heisenberg JP 2012/06/28 04:17:55
    Heisenberg
    +2
    Well that was the main reason we went over there. That and because Bush wanted to get revenge on Saddam for planning an assassination attempt on Papa Bush were the main catalysts. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
  • JP Heisenberg 2012/06/28 17:32:19
    JP
    We get very little oil from Iraq. That is a cable news talking point. If we wanted to steal oil, we would have went to war with Canada.
  • Heisenberg JP 2012/06/28 20:37:37
    Heisenberg
    +1
    I know most of our oil is from Canada, but that still doesn't stop oil barons from being greedy. The Canadian PM didn't try to assassinate Bush, Sr. Plus 9/11 was the whitewash they used for Bush to toot his trumpet around the world about our military might. There's a reason Colin Powell resigned voluntarily.
  • JP Heisenberg 2012/06/28 22:35:46
    JP
    You are as delusional as the birther crowd.
  • Heisenberg JP 2012/06/29 03:03:28
    Heisenberg
    Says you.
  • kir 2012/06/28 01:13:10
    Partial ruling
    kir
    I think it will be partial, or at least as partial an opinion as a flawed human can form.
  • stormy rae 2012/06/26 17:40:14
    Struck down entirely
    stormy rae
    +1
    one can only hope it is completely nullified and goes back to the drawing board, if they pass it i want to know how they plan to force all americans to take the chip
  • cuzzbuzzla 2012/06/26 16:58:52
    Struck down entirely
    cuzzbuzzla
    +1
    It will be struck down as it will be the first time American citizens will be ordered to buy something, hardly constitutional.
  • D D 2012/06/26 14:20:41
    Partial ruling
    D D
    I think it will either be partial or upheld altogether. My gut isn't thinking it will be good for me. I think I am screwed.
  • Space Invader 2012/06/26 13:47:54
    Partial ruling
    Space Invader
    +2
    no mandate
  • I. Car Rus 2012/06/26 13:36:32
    Partial ruling
    I. Car Rus
    +1
    I think they will strike down key provisions of the legislation.
  • Tasine 2012/06/26 13:18:04
    Struck down entirely
    Tasine
    +2
    I don't have a clue what they will do. If they are looking to the constitutionality of it, it will be struck down in its entirety. However, I don't believe any progressive is capable of voting for constitutionality, including those on the high court.
  • Andy Fletcher 2012/06/26 12:53:11
    It will be up held
    Andy Fletcher
    +1
    I have a bad feeling it will be upheld in it's entirety. Arizona's law should have been upheld as it was. The proper thing to do on both would be to uphold completely or tell both Arizona and congress to try again. If the mandate is tossed out, which the whole program relies on, the rest will have to go because they can't make a law with no way to fund it. The funny, no sad thing is, republicans were SCREAMING that the mandate was most likely unconstitutional. Also requiring what insurers provide is unconstitutional as well. But the republicans were not allowed ANY input into the bill. It was the immediate dismissal of Obama's claims of working across party lines and transparency. Two major things that would have gone a long way to reducing overall healthcare costs that the right proposed, portability and torte reform, were dismissed by the left out of hand. Torte reform would have reduced insurance costs as well as a good bit of "defensive" procedures, procedures done just for providers to cover their asses against lawsuits. Portability would have allowed individuals in say North Dakota to join in on policies made in Cali or New York with a larger base to spread the risk to providers out, thus lowering costs to consumers. The left didn't want to consider this because their ultimate goal is a single payer (the government) system. I hope this court is as conservative as the claims that they are, but I don't think they really are.
  • Brian 2012/06/26 12:22:51 (edited)
    Partial ruling
    Brian
    +2
    If yesterdays ruling is any indication, then the soft spined SCOTUS will try to make everyone happy with a split ruling, keeping some parts and striking down others.



    This walk the fence style of Jurisprudence will ultimately screw the whole country. An Oak tree sappling growing in the crack of a sidewalk eventually grows large enough to upend the entire walk.



    Any part of this "health care" bill left intact, will be the sappling of the future destruction of American freedom!
  • Tasine Brian 2012/06/26 13:20:40
    Tasine
    +2
    But whatever happened to finding THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF A BILL? I thought that was why we pay them and keep them for life. If they don't find for constitutionality, then we definitely do not need a Supreme Court.
  • Artist 2012/06/26 12:12:32
    Partial ruling
    Artist
    +4
    It think we've already seen how the court is going to rule in how they ruled against obama over the Arizona thing. The Mandate will go as will a couple of other things but it will probably be partially approved. But without the Mandate, obamacare loses it's funding so the whole thing will collapse.

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