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How many other states allow ILLEGAL ALIENS to vote besides Illinois?

tncdel 2010/05/14 00:25:03

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Many other states besides Illinois have loopholes allowing illegals to find ways to vote.

  1. Many other states besides Illinois have loopholes allowing illegals to find ways to vote.

    Many other states besides Illinois have loopholes allowing illegals to find ways to vote.

How many other states allow ILLEGAL ALIENS to vote besides Illinois?
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This is only the tip of the proverbial iceberg. And we need to pressure our states to make it impossible for illegal aliens to vote.


And we need to IMPEACH and PROSECUTE all TRAITORS in Congress serving FOREIGN NATIONALS HERE ILLEGALLY, by pushing for amnesty, "free" college [the Dream Act], or anything else for illegals, except stiff fines and deportation.
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  • johnc 2010/05/14 01:10:58
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    +11
    Today Eric Holder before the congress stated he has not even read the Arizona law. But wants to sponsor a law suit against it. Getting very concerned about these idiots motives. Seems they don't read anything, not the stimulus, not the BHO redistribution health care, nothing. Think all they read is the amount of thier campaign checks from wall street.

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  • George Romney 2012/07/19 17:32:13
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    George Romney
    Where's the "nobody's going to check" proof? Did someone try mailing a ballot with a fake name and get approved? Where's THAT video?
  • Seonag 2012/05/05 15:15:07
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    Seonag
    It happens all the time. I'm at the point that you have to prove citizenship to register to vote.
  • keeper 2012/01/04 15:27:37
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    keeper
    +1
    Illinois allows felons to vote from jail!!!
  • J Montana~POTL~PWCM~JLA 2011/11/29 21:16:33
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    J Montana~POTL~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    I would guess in any state that they can get away with it. :) We could ask Acorn.
  • rightside 2011/09/10 20:56:23
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    rightside
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    All the ones that can get away with it.
  • Ken 2011/07/26 23:17:19 (edited)
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    Ken
    +6
    Recently in a federal court district in Florida, where they get their "jury pool" from a list of registered voters, it turned out that 3% of prospective jurors were non-citizens! We are a nation with a population of slightly over 300 million, and they tell us we have 12 million illegal (errr Undocumented) aliens residing in the U.S. - that is around 4% of the population. If 3% of the registered voters in one district in Florida are non-citizens and you extrapolate that number to the entire population, that means a very hgh percentage of illegals ARE voting!



    Democratic candidate for congress in California to illegal alien: "You don't need papers to vote!"
  • SoCalEx-Dem 2011/07/17 16:30:17
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    SoCalEx-Dem
    +7
    I'm positive it happens here in California, you don't need a D.L. or S.S.card to register to vote, just an address where you can pick up your voter guide. Its against the law in California to ask for I.D. at the voting booth. In my area it is mostly Spanish, I have watched people vote that I know aren't citizens. How do you go about proving that and who do you tell? My state is run by the Demoncrats.
  • themadhare ~IJM 2011/07/02 01:36:17
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    themadhare ~IJM
    +4
    they officially can't in California, but they do anyway
  • my2cents 2011/06/24 20:55:51
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    my2cents
    None, including Illinois. I've lived here for 12 years and have worked as an election judge at polling stations. EVERYTHING is checked and double-checked by multiple workers. Voter fraud is a right wing crazy button issue, in reality it is very rare.
  • tncdel my2cents 2011/07/02 01:57:26
    tncdel
    +4
    Apparently you didn't take time to listen to the video. It doesn't say they can vote at polling stations. It says they can write-in vote by mail. THAT they can do.
  • ur XLNC 2011/04/04 20:41:46
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    ur XLNC
    +4
    What in all the blue-blazes of hell is happening when NON-CITIZENS can vote in OUR elections? Who authorized this? They need to be shot for treason and anything else that will stick.
  • my2cents ur XLNC 2011/06/24 20:56:20
    my2cents
    They can't. You chain is being yanked. Big time.
  • ur XLNC my2cents 2011/06/24 20:59:04
    ur XLNC
    +2
    Maybe...but then there was ACORN!
  • my2cents ur XLNC 2011/06/25 03:00:53
    my2cents
    True, but even a lot of Acorn's stuff was caught by trained staff. People were being paid by Acorn per the number of people they registered, so of course that just begged fraud. But the workers weren't very bright, they made up names like Mick E. Mouse. Seriously. Fictitious registrations didn't cause a voting problem because fictitious people never showed up to vote; Acorn just got ripped off when they paid these people. Besides, Acorn is defunct, isn't it? They're not in the voter registration business anymore, I thought.
  • tncdel my2cents 2011/07/02 02:03:27
    tncdel
    +5
    Either take time to watch the video completely, or stop LYING if you already did. For if you had actually watched the video in its entirety, you would have seen the form used to vote BY MAIL has the loophole the video speaker points out for you to see with your own eyes.
  • tncdel ur XLNC 2011/07/02 02:01:29
    tncdel
    +6
    No "maybe" about it. my2cents is a Lib liar. The video SHOWS the proof. So either my2cents is deliberately lying, like Obama does. Or she's embarrassing herself speaking in ignorance without having watched the video. If you did, then you know her own statement implicates her.
  • ur XLNC tncdel 2011/07/02 03:22:34
    ur XLNC
    +3
    I see!
  • tncdel ur XLNC 2011/10/17 17:43:56
    tncdel
    +3
    No "maybe"s about it. If you did listen to the video, then you SAW the actual form, and how vulnerable it is to leave it wide open to voting by illegals.
  • tncdel my2cents 2011/10/17 17:42:52
    tncdel
    +3
    Yes, YOU are the one trying to to do "yanking." Either that, or you simply didn't take time to listen to the video.
  • Julieann 2010/12/02 14:49:21
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    Here in Massachusetts, the people of Lawrence elected Willy Lantigua, a Hispanic that used campaign ads totally in Spanish to ultimately win the race. Lawrence is known for having an extremely heavy population of illegal immigrants. It's painfully obvious that Mr. Lantigua successfully pandered to the illegals.
  • tncdel Julieann 2011/04/04 19:35:55
  • my2cents tncdel 2011/06/24 20:52:24
  • tncdel my2cents 2011/07/02 02:07:29
    tncdel
    +4
    I'm giving you a warning now. Either you watch the video and concede that you were
    mistaken, or I will assume that you are deliberately lying to cover up for the illegals voting in Illinois, then I'll block you to stop you from spreading more lies. I won't block someone simply for a difference of opinion. But I don't tolerate deliberate lying.
  • freethinker 2010/12/02 12:18:01
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    freethinker
    +6
    minnedopa is turning into lil mexico, and we have Mark the Crook Ritchie, Acorn, moveon, SOS and Soros, so Of Course Fraud is the name of the game here, after all how else do you think the Frankenstein was Illegally put into office??? Then we have Coleman (chris) and Rybak, (both mayors) that Pander to all illegals and force the Sanctuary Status here.....Ritchie is head of the line for No Photo ID for voting.....
  • Cat 2010/10/18 19:45:33
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    Cat
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    FAIR's Testimony Regarding the issue of non-citizen voting in U.S. elections and identification requirements.


    June 22, 2006



    Testimony of
    Dan Stein
    President
    Federation for American Immigration Reform
    Presented to the
    HOUSE COMMITTEE ON ADMINISTRATION
    Thursday, June 22, 2006
    This testimony concerns the issue of non-citizen voting in U.S. elections
    and identification requirements.
    Mr. Chairman, Madam Ranking Minority Member and members of the Committee, I am Dan Stein, President of the Federation for American Immigration Reform. FAIR is a national, non-profit public interest organization representing more than 200,000 members and activists working to end illegal immigration, to restore moderate legal immigration and to reform our immigration laws to bring them into accord with the national interest. Thank you for the opportunity to present the views of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) on the growing threat that our nation's voting laws are becoming compromised by illegal alien registration and voting.

    There is widespread awareness that illegal immigration is a massive and growing problem in the United States. Estimates of the illegal population vary between 11 and 20 million. FAIR believes there are likely between 11 to 13 million illegal resi...














































    FAIR's Testimony Regarding the issue of non-citizen voting in U.S. elections and identification requirements.


    June 22, 2006



    Testimony of
    Dan Stein
    President
    Federation for American Immigration Reform
    Presented to the
    HOUSE COMMITTEE ON ADMINISTRATION
    Thursday, June 22, 2006
    This testimony concerns the issue of non-citizen voting in U.S. elections
    and identification requirements.
    Mr. Chairman, Madam Ranking Minority Member and members of the Committee, I am Dan Stein, President of the Federation for American Immigration Reform. FAIR is a national, non-profit public interest organization representing more than 200,000 members and activists working to end illegal immigration, to restore moderate legal immigration and to reform our immigration laws to bring them into accord with the national interest. Thank you for the opportunity to present the views of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) on the growing threat that our nation's voting laws are becoming compromised by illegal alien registration and voting.

    There is widespread awareness that illegal immigration is a massive and growing problem in the United States. Estimates of the illegal population vary between 11 and 20 million. FAIR believes there are likely between 11 to 13 million illegal residents, but the number could certainly be higher. In addition to the illegal aliens already in the country, the Census Bureau estimates that the illegal alien population is growing by a minimum of 500,000 per year.

    Combining the number of legal and illegal aliens, there are at least 26 million non-U.S. citizens in the United States at any given time. The bulk of them are legal and illegal residents (22 million), and about 1.6 million are tourists or temporary visitors from Canada or Mexico. Many of the remaining 2.4 million visitors, such as students and temporary workers, are on long-term visas.

    As we all know, there is a great demand in our society by anyone of working age to have a driver's license. States have established a wide spectrum of laws governing the issuance of those licenses. While some require and verify evidence that an applicant is either a U.S. citizen or a foreigner in the country legally, other states deliberately or inadvertently create loopholes that allow illegal aliens to gain access to a license or identity card. Seven states allow registrants to use an individual taxpayer identification number (ITIN) in lieu of a Social Security number (SSN) when they register. The ITIN is available to noncitizens, including illegal aliens for purposes of tax withholding. Another 11 states have provisions that allow illegal aliens to obtain driver's licenses, such as neglecting to verify the authenticity of the SSN.

    With the passage of the National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA) ? known as the Motor-Voter law ? the process of registering to vote became nearly automatic for anyone applying for a state driver's license. Under this law, the information supplied by the applicant for a license doubles as information for voter registration unless the applicant indicates that he/she does not want to be registered to vote. With driver's licenses made available by several states to aliens (both legal and illegal), it seems likely that voter rolls now contain large numbers of non-citizens ? enough in close elections to change the outcome if those aliens illegally vote.

    Two other offshoots from the 1993 NVRA compound the potential for non-citizen voting to corrupt the election process. Absentee voting has become ubiquitous, so there is no opportunity for the elections officials to challenge the voter in person as a possible illegal voter or to monitor the voting to assure that the voter is voting independently. And, those who would challenge the eligibility of voters are constrained by protections against intimidation of voters.

    In 1996, Congress enacted the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act, making it a federal crime for non-citizens to vote in any federal election (or state election, unless authorized by state law). As a penalty, ineligible non-citizens who knowingly vote may be deported. Additionally, a non-citizen who falsely claims to be a United States citizen is in violation of this law.

    Despite these penalties, there are numerous documented reports of non-citizens voting. Mr. Chairman, let me discuss some of the evidence of electoral fraud.

    1996 Election - California
    One of the most extensively documented cases of illegal voting was in California in 1996. Loretta Sanchez, a Democrat, defeated Republican incumbent Robert Dornan by 984 votes. Dornan called for an investigation of alleged illegal voting by noncitizens. According to Congressional Quarterly, a Washington, DC newspaper that focuses on developments in Congress, "Task force Chairman [U.S. Representative] Vernon J. Ehlers, R-Mich., said investigators had found concrete evidence of 748 illegal votes by noncitizens, not enough to throw Sanchez's victory into doubt."

    2000 Election - Florida
    In the 2000 election, there were 11 states carried by President Bush that had small enough winning vote margins that voting by noncitizens could have tipped the results to Vice President Gore. Those states were Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia. A switch of three votes in the Electoral College from Bush to Gore would have reversed the outcome of that election, so the voting of enough noncitizens to reverse the outcome in any one of those 11 states would have reversed the final outcome.

    In Florida, with more than 1.5 million noncitizens of voting age, only 540 of them would have had to vote (or 540 more ineligible voters than may actually have voted) for Gore to reverse the Presidential winner. In fact, election observers reported that a "sizable number" of votes may have been cast by ineligible felons, illegal immigrants, and non-citizens.

    2004 Election - Wisconsin
    More recently, FAIR obtained evidence of efforts by an ethnic advocacy group to get non-citizens to register to vote. FAIR enlisted the aid of two immigration reform activists who posed as illegal aliens attempting to register to vote. They were able to register in two Wisconsin counties, with the assistance of an organization known as Voces de la Frontera, in spite of the fact that the two individuals presented themselves as noncitizens. The Wisconsin case involved the registration of non-citizens residing legally in the U.S., but it might just as easily have involved illegal residents.

    2004 Investigation - New York
    Two years ago, DMV officials in New York, a state that supposedly does not permit illegal aliens to obtain driver's licenses, found that when they retroactively checked the Social Security Numbers provided by driver's license applicants, approximately 300,000 applications that had false or repeat numbers. This investigation did not study how many of these persons who were presumably in large measure illegal aliens fraudulently obtaining the state license also obtained at the same time registration as a voter. It seems reasonable to assume, however, that there may have been many thousands of such cases. And, while state officials began an effort to rescind the driver's licenses, there was no similar effort to eliminate any of the possible voter registrants from the voter rolls.

    2005 Investigation - Utah
    In Utah, Legislative Auditor General John Schaff said in a February 8, 2005 report to the President of the Utah Senate that more than 58,000 illegal immigrants had Utah drivers' licenses, nearly 400 of them used their license to register to vote in Utah, and a sampling of that group revealed at least 14 actually voted in an election. The state authorities had verified with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security that only 5 of those with suspicious registration to vote were naturalized U.S. citizens.

    Other Indications of Illegal Voter Registration
    Hawaiian Election officials found 543 Oahu residents who were not U.S. citizens had registered to vote. The officials speculated a number of factors may have resulted in the voter irregularities, including language barriers and the ease of voter registration.

    Instances are periodically reported of the discovery of illegal voting by aliens by immigration authorities during investigation of applicants for U.S. citizenship. Even though illegal voting could have made the alien ineligible for U.S. citizenship, the disqualification has been consistently waived. Therefore, the penalty in the law against illegal voting could be likened to a paper tiger. Reports periodically surface about persons who are called for jury duty on the basis of voter registration rolls declining to serve on the basis that they are non-citizens. In one prominent case earlier this year a person who did in fact serve on a jury later notified the judge that she was not a U.S. citizen.

    There is reason to believe that some illegal aliens applying for driver's licenses deliberately, rather than accidentally, seek voter registration. This is due to the fact that the employer sanctions law adopted in 1986 to deter employment of illegal aliens allows a voter registration card to be used as one of the documents that establishes the employee's identity. That document, plus a Social Security card, is all that is necessary to establish work eligibility. Thus, the fact that some non-citizens register to vote is not necessarily a harmless misunderstanding of the rules, as immigrants' rights groups contend.

    The only control against noncitizens registering to vote is a required statement in the application form that the registrant is a U.S. citizen. With more than 20 million foreign-born residents who are not U.S. citizens in the country, including an estimated 11 to 13 million illegal residents, the potential for non-citizens voting is enormous given the ease of registration and lack of screening at the time of voting. That fact, combined with the razor-thin election margins of recent years suggests that there is the very real possibility that non-citizens have affected the outcomes of elections.

    If the United States wants to prevent fraudulent voting, procedures must be adopted to verify the eligibility of individuals when they register, and then to verify the identity of voters when they vote. There must also be a heightened dedication to prosecute those who fraudulently register and vote. If there is no real penalty for illegal voting, it is unreasonable to expect that an 'honor system' to keep ineligible persons from voting will be effective. It is worth noting, that with the passage of Proposition 200, Arizona is was the first state to implement such measures. Approximately 32 other states are considering similar legislation.

    Conclusion
    The potential for illegal immigration has grown at a rapid pace as the number of non-citizen residents - both legal and illegal - has soared and registration to vote is done without verification of U.S. citizenship. The recent wave of demonstrations around the country by aliens demanding amnesty has forcefully brought the magnitude of the problem home to the American public.

    The American public is also increasingly aware of the issue of voter fraud. Recent comments by California Congressional candidate Francine Busby that "you don't need papers to vote" along with the sharp criticism leveled at her in response are further indicators that the problem has a real impact. It is entirely fitting that we take time now to examine our nation's election laws and debate what reforms are necessary to secure the integrity of the franchise.

    Protecting our election process against fraud is vital to assuring the American public that their interest in our democratic form of government is protected. It undermines the principle of the rule of law to allow the opportunity to vote on people who are not legally entitled to have it. The size of the illegal alien population has become so large and the impediments to illegal voting are so few that this issue should no longer be ignored by this nation's policymakers.
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  • Zozo 2010/06/26 21:55:14
  • my2cents Zozo 2011/06/25 03:05:07 (edited)
    my2cents
    Only U.S. citizens can vote. He can live and work in the U.S. his whole life, but unless he becomes a U.S. citizen, he can't vote. Our Constitution prohibits it.

    If he's been in the U.S. 30 years, why hasn't he ever applied for citizenship?

    P.S. Where's the cat's other ear?
  • Zozo my2cents 2011/06/25 08:57:40
  • tncdel Zozo 2011/07/02 02:09:40
    tncdel
    +2
    Pay her no mind. She's wrong. And if you've taken time to watch the video and listen to it in its entirety, then you already know she's wrong, and may possibly just be deliberately lying. See the warning I've given her above.
  • LawMan5150 2010/05/27 05:12:04
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    In CA we are pushing a ballot measure that will require legal ID at the polls. Of course the dems are fighting it- Wonder why?
  • my2cents LawMan5150 2011/06/25 03:13:50 (edited)
    my2cents
    Because requiring voter ID can disenfranchise voters who don't have ID. Like the elderly who don't drive anymore and therefore don't have driver's licenses, the poor who don't own cars and therefore don't have driver's licenses, college age kids who don't own cars and therefore allow their driver's licenses to lapse, etc. Requiring ID at the polls is a good idea, and it should be done. But if a state is going to require ID, they need to make a state ID available to everyone who requests it AT NO COST. Many states are charging for state IDs, $15 in some places, more in others. $15 is a meal in some poor households, so charging a fee for state IDs could have the consequence of disenfranchising poor people. The right to vote is Constitutionally protected; people should not have to pay a fee to exercise their Constitutional rights. Dems are opposing it because states ARE CHARGING A FEE FOR STATE IDs, not because IDs are being required. That's the difference. If CA is charging a fee for state IDs for people who have no other form of ID, then that's your answer. Offer state IDs for free, that will solve the opposition to it.
  • LawMan5150 my2cents 2011/06/25 14:33:35
    LawMan5150
    +2
    I have no problem with states providing an ID if you meet income verification. All those arguments about old people and college kids not having an ID I don't buy. They still have to have an ID to get money at the bank or cash a check, or go to the doctor. And thiis post is very old.
  • my2cents LawMan5150 2011/06/26 17:36:11
    my2cents
    No, it's true. Many college kids don't have cars so they let their driver's licenses lapse. And college IDs aren't being accepted in place of driver's licenses. My 95-year-old father-in-law still votes and no longer has any ID except his medicare ID, don't know if those are being accepted in lieu of DL's either. It's the most common among the working poor, no car, no checking accounts because they don't want to pay the fees associated with one.

    A lot of old posts are recycled on SH. Gotta keep the conservative outrage ginned up! Geesh.
  • LawMan5150 my2cents 2011/06/26 21:08:28
    LawMan5150
    +1
    OK, so the college kid has to pay $15 for an ID. They are good for 4 years. That's $3.75 to have a valid ID which I don't see how you can live without.
  • my2cents LawMan5150 2011/06/27 00:49:26
    my2cents
    College kids do it all the time. I did. Had an expired DL's AND no checking account for my last two undergraduate years. Plus they have to find a way to get to the place to apply for the ID, skip classes or whatnot to make time for it. And what about elderly people who don't drive and it's hard for them to get around? They would probably just not vote than go through the trouble of going somewhere to apply for the ID. Same with poor people to whom $15 is a bigger chunk of change. Plus they have no transportation, the working poor would have to take time off work, take a bus to the application place, shell out the fee. I think a lot of people realize that this process is going to be difficult for citizens without the resources we take for granted, therefore it will have the net effect of disenfranchising many poor, elderly and student voters.
  • LawMan5150 my2cents 2011/06/28 03:33:38
    LawMan5150
    +1
    If they can get to the mail box or polling place they can have an ID. The security of our country is worth a little inconvenience. I took 16 units in college and worked 2 jobs at the same time to support my family. Stop whining.
  • my2cents LawMan5150 2011/06/28 04:30:02
    my2cents
    Oh yeah? Well I took 18 credits and worked full time to support mine.

    So there.
  • LawMan5150 my2cents 2011/06/28 04:40:02
    LawMan5150
    +1
    And you had a drivers license. You just made my point for me. Thank you.
  • my2cents LawMan5150 2011/06/28 07:29:47
    my2cents
    Not my last two years I didn't. I worked on campus and took classes on campus, that's the only way I made it work.
  • my2cents LawMan5150 2011/06/28 04:36:19
    my2cents
    That's why there is opposition to it. Voting is a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT. The states need to facilitate the ID process so no one's constitutional right is infringed. The right throws a tantrum when they think their gun rights are being infringed. Why doesn't voting infringement anger you? Why should it be more difficult to VOTE in this country than it is to buy an assault weapon? Doesn't that seem screwy?

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