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How can you be Christian AND conservative?

Jacksane 2012/04/25 13:08:31
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  • Civic Minded 2012/05/02 03:21:01
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    Civic Minded
    +22
    You may be familiar with the proverb that it is better to teach a man to fish as that skill will feed him for a lifetime. Liberalism leads to taking away one's ability to do for himself and his family by making him believe that all blessings come from government. The truth is that all blessings come from God, including the various talents that individuals have. If we trust in God and do what is right (meaning loving our neighbor as ourselves, helping the helpless, such as widows and orphans - which would include others who cannot do for themselves . . .) then we do not burden others needlessly and bring God's grace upon those who are less fortunate. So Christianity and conservatism are related because conservatives respect the individual's God-given rights while gladly helping the helpless.
    When comparing who gives more money to charity, conservatives win the top spot. Why is that? Perhaps it's because liberals prefer others to give so they don't have to.

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  • Jack Sprat marylou5 2012/05/05 21:50:47 (edited)
    Jack Sprat
    +2
    Since socialists live outside the real world, absolutely, my guess he will enter the "real world" like a lamb to the slaughter ........ I tend to think of them having to learn the "hard way".....here's the teacher with the student.....

    baby seal
  • Red Branch Jacksane 2012/05/04 19:57:53
    Red Branch
    +9
    Why do you lack any sense of human decency the belief that you do not have any ability to function on your own.
    Why do you lack the ability to help anyone and need the govt to do the right thing?
  • BARRY0619 Jacksane 2012/05/04 20:21:22
    BARRY0619
    +9
    Where's your sources to your ridiculous response?
  • Jack Sprat Jacksane 2012/05/04 22:48:28
    Jack Sprat
    +7
    There are more democrat millionaires in congress that conservative, and Conservatives tend to give one and a half as much in charitable donations, (biden gave $345 dollars, Al Gore gave 1.5% for instance), and conservatives are twice as likely to donate time and material to worthy causes. Liberals on the other hand are far more likely to think they know best how and who I should give too, even though they are less likely to do so them selves.

    Here is a nice article, in study after study, the results proove you simply wrong...

    http://winteryknight.wordpres...

    and heres some more......

    "November 28, 2006

    Who Gives More: Democrats or Republicans?
    Tuesday, November 28, 2006, at 12 noon, U.S. Eastern time
    In his new book, Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism, Arthur C. Brooks presents research showing that religious conservatives are more charitable than secular liberals. He says people who support the idea that government should redistribute income are among the least likely to dig into their own wallets to help others. Included in his book is an analysis of 15 sets of data that he says all came to the same conclusion.

    What are the implications of his findings? Does it matter to charities whether they get more money from Democrats or...

    There are more democrat millionaires in congress that conservative, and Conservatives tend to give one and a half as much in charitable donations, (biden gave $345 dollars, Al Gore gave 1.5% for instance), and conservatives are twice as likely to donate time and material to worthy causes. Liberals on the other hand are far more likely to think they know best how and who I should give too, even though they are less likely to do so them selves.

    Here is a nice article, in study after study, the results proove you simply wrong...

    http://winteryknight.wordpres...

    and heres some more......

    "November 28, 2006

    Who Gives More: Democrats or Republicans?
    Tuesday, November 28, 2006, at 12 noon, U.S. Eastern time
    In his new book, Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism, Arthur C. Brooks presents research showing that religious conservatives are more charitable than secular liberals. He says people who support the idea that government should redistribute income are among the least likely to dig into their own wallets to help others. Included in his book is an analysis of 15 sets of data that he says all came to the same conclusion.

    What are the implications of his findings? Does it matter to charities whether they get more money from Democrats or Republicans? What can be done to counter these trends? What research data was used to reach these conclusions?....."

    http://philanthropy.com/artic...
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  • jean Jacksane 2012/05/05 01:09:43
    jean
    +5
    Most of us conservatives are just the rank and file Jacksane. We give as we are able - just as anyone,
  • Pug For... Jacksane 2012/05/05 18:10:37
    Pug For Huck
    +2
    That's very skewed, yet not surprising. You have just spewed what you've been indoctrinated to say and you've done your part.

    Now, if the liberals really wanted to help, they would not preach dependency on the government which is the exact outcome of their "help". If you want to have a true effort to help someone, tell them they need to work to support themselves and their families rather than help them to stay poor.

    I love how liberals always go to the help argument. They just don't know how to do it.
  • debrarae Jacksane 2012/05/06 15:43:00
    debrarae
    I love the way LIBS block Conservatives so they can't respond. So much for THEIR and YOUR input.
  • Jacksane debrarae 2012/05/06 17:47:57
    Jacksane
    Neocons block liberals far more often. I block people when they spam My Happenings with illogical posts. I have a life outside of this website, and if a conversation is no longer productive or interesting, I can't waste my time reading a million of their replies.
  • debrarae Jacksane 2012/05/06 22:57:45
    debrarae
    You're saying "Neocons' Block Liberals 'far more often'. Yet you offer no 'proof' of that.

    How 'typical'.
  • Pug For... Jacksane 2012/05/07 16:11:57
    Pug For Huck
    +1
    "You can't ignore ignorance", but you can ignore logic, eh?
  • Jacksane Pug For... 2012/05/07 17:54:25
    Jacksane
    No, I can't. I use sound logic and I point out fallacies, which is what you're calling logic. I actually study logic.

    "You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong", but you can protect the weak by weakening the strong, and isn't that all a decent human being hopes for?
  • Pug For... Jacksane 2012/05/07 21:32:54
    Pug For Huck
    +1
    You cannot protect the weak by weakening the strong, there will be no one strong enough to protect. You cannot define human hopes by negatives. Your "logic" is the opposite of positive growth by reducing the positive to the least common denominator, which by human nature negates the ability to protect. By your logic you would weaken a nation to the point where someone can usurp power. Since your logic does not account for human nature, you actually leave a Hitler-esque dictator to assume control over a group, or nation. Hence, you ignore sound logic.

    I've heard many say they "study logic" but that is many times nothing more than studying theories written down in a text. You've not been on the earth long
    enough to review your theories in practice and see actual results. But that's all they are, fantastical theories.

    I believe "decent" human beings strive for a quality of life not dependent on reducing the human factor to the weakest link in the chain but for each individual striving to better themselves to their individual highest potential. You cannot do that by employing the life model you suggest.
  • marylou5 Civic M... 2012/05/04 04:33:21
    marylou5
    +13
    Thank you for an excellent post that this baby atheist college student will never get!
    It always amazes me that these infants who have barely learned to get up on time think they have all the answers. Do you think this kid has ever donated to a church or charity or done community service or worked in a soup kitchen? it is obvious he is an entitlement kid!!

    He has no concept of what it means to support himself, much less help the truly needy!
  • Jacksane marylou5 2012/05/04 04:38:14
    Jacksane
    The fact that you point out my lack of religion lends credence to my suspicion that you do not have a very tight grasp on the concepts you accuse me of not understanding.
    I also enjoy how you label me as an entitlement kid and assume I have never done community service, both of which are untrue. I intended to respond to your above post, but given your lack of reason I see little point now.
    Have a great night.
  • ray Jacksane 2012/05/04 12:50:52
    ray
    +8
    As a current college student , I will assume that you are still learning , correct?
    As a student , Certainly via professors and peers you have been led to believe that you are some how superior and better educated than the masses of unwashed. correct ? Furthermore due to your inherent superior mind you expect an above average lifestyle following college correct ?
    Please add the following information to your resume and check the facts.
    1/2 of recent college graduates are currently unemployed . A large percentage of those employed are underemployed in an low paying job unrelated to their career .
    They were taught the same lies you are being fed, now deep in hock , unable to earn a living they blame others for their failure .

    "Conservatives are by-and-large more wealthy than liberals, "
    Where did you ascertain this fact ? Blue collar , farmers , Nascar fans , US military personnel would represent which group ?
    Obama , Buffet , Pelosi, Michael Moore , John Kerry, Al Gore, George Soros, in fact the top 10% would best represent which group ?
    The OWS crowd living in $500,000 dollar homes , protesting From tents , sleeping bags donated to them while typing on $3,000 dollar laptops best represent who ?
    Hypocritical fashion , the Progressive / liberals always horde the most and best fo...













    As a current college student , I will assume that you are still learning , correct?
    As a student , Certainly via professors and peers you have been led to believe that you are some how superior and better educated than the masses of unwashed. correct ? Furthermore due to your inherent superior mind you expect an above average lifestyle following college correct ?
    Please add the following information to your resume and check the facts.
    1/2 of recent college graduates are currently unemployed . A large percentage of those employed are underemployed in an low paying job unrelated to their career .
    They were taught the same lies you are being fed, now deep in hock , unable to earn a living they blame others for their failure .

    "Conservatives are by-and-large more wealthy than liberals, "
    Where did you ascertain this fact ? Blue collar , farmers , Nascar fans , US military personnel would represent which group ?
    Obama , Buffet , Pelosi, Michael Moore , John Kerry, Al Gore, George Soros, in fact the top 10% would best represent which group ?
    The OWS crowd living in $500,000 dollar homes , protesting From tents , sleeping bags donated to them while typing on $3,000 dollar laptops best represent who ?
    Hypocritical fashion , the Progressive / liberals always horde the most and best for themselves while shouting about sharing .


    This comment also I would challenge.
    "Liberals dedicate more time and effort to actually helping the less fortunate and prefer to pool their tax dollars to help the poor."
    Let's examine the facts .
    Some colleges ( like Harvard , $32 billion , Yale 19 billion, Princeton 17.1 billion. etc. )
    rank among the largest corporations of the world . The can also be Classified as
    "Liberal " . Care to tell how many billions they donate to feed starving children ? , Farm aid ? , Foreign missions ? Homeless shelters ? What charities do they support?
    Care to compare them against Conservatives ? Churches ? and see which actually does more to comfort the suffering ?
    Liberals prefer to take others people by force , skim off the top for themselves , then claim generosity for giving away others money and property.

    Progressive / Liberals steeped in hypocrisy, walling in greed , conning the gullible with sanctimonious pleas to be granted power to steal liberty, property, money from others and given to their control. Progressives / Liberals are merely control freaks.

    Check the facts , Who you going to believe? The stories told by Socialist / progressive professors and students that you are paying to make you feel special or the lying facts and figures that your eyes and ears are telling you.?
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  • marylou5 ray 2012/05/05 15:15:38
    marylou5
    +4
    Guess you told him how it really is! He may be able to save himself if he heeds your message.......but I wouldn't count on it!
  • seadog6... Jacksane 2012/05/04 22:19:42
  • Jack Sprat Jacksane 2012/05/04 22:50:53
    Jack Sprat
    +3
    It only shows you are less likely to give, and more likely to expect someone else to.
  • Jacksane Jack Sprat 2012/05/05 05:20:17
    Jacksane
    I disagree. I give often and generously, but because I am part of the 99% my ability to give is heavily limited.
  • Jack Sprat Jacksane 2012/05/05 21:59:37
  • Revolut... Jack Sprat 2012/05/06 06:43:31
    Revolution ATX ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +1
    He's part of the 99%...the percentage of people in this country who don't know a damned thing about economics.
  • Jacksane Revolut... 2012/05/06 06:47:42
    Jacksane
    I actually have studied economics. We have far more in common than your hostility would suggest. Don't lower yourself to the level of these neocons and maybe we can have an intelligent debate.
  • Revolut... Jacksane 2012/05/06 07:01:21
  • Jack Sprat Revolut... 2012/05/08 01:09:19
    Jack Sprat
    +1
    Pssst don't tell him that "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" is Osama's "spreading the wealth", he'll explode into a fit of unrighteous idiocy.
  • Jack Sprat Revolut... 2012/05/08 01:07:04
    Jack Sprat
    +1
    He knows enough to be swindled and support one of the worst economic systems ever devised by the inhumanity of man to man.
  • Jacksane Jack Sprat 2012/05/06 06:46:29
    Jacksane
    I don't want anyone to hand anything to me. I work for my money and I'm both responsible and generous with it.
    I highly doubt you give any of your money away because your a neocon who thinks anyone who isn't wealthy is lazy or stupid.

    Kudos, Teabagger.
  • Jack Sprat Jacksane 2012/05/08 01:17:19
    Jack Sprat
    +1
    So my little mushmelon, what is your percent of charity? and what is the number of hours given to charitable work? not counting the Occutard participation rate, hey do you get paid like the latinos, just for color?

    Hey, just to let you know, I was a liberal before morons like you screwed up the meaning so much you have to use the term progressive.

    So in the end it is "your money", not the state's to do with as they please? or mine to hand out as I want? My that qualifies you as a mushminded "teabagger"

    Kool kittens kirby.......and I know you don't give any of your money away because you say your're a "progressive" occutard, 99%'er regressive, pandering putz who only shows his kindness by wanting "someone else" to pay.
  • Jack Sprat Jack Sprat 2012/05/08 20:38:01
    Jack Sprat
    Still waitin' big spender, so where's the beef? how much, name names, be bold, or just be honest and admit you're as cheap as the rest of your shallow end of the gene pool buds.
  • Revolut... Jacksane 2012/05/06 06:46:22
  • Jacksane Revolut... 2012/05/06 06:50:01
    Jacksane
    I'd hoped to have an actual debate with you. Obviously you're less intelligent than I assumed. It's a shame someone smart enough to be agnostic and libertarian chooses to behave like a 10 year old.
  • Jack Sprat Jacksane 2012/05/08 01:20:56 (edited)
    Jack Sprat
    Oddly you have neither the ablity nor the desire to engage anyone reasonably, you're answers to me alone show that, and to Revolution.....you simply assumed after reading the labels you had a kindred spirit.....You have the "heart", too bad you didn't get the "brain", yet, so there is some hope......kinda....

    "If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." Winston Churchill

    http://quitenormal.files.word...
  • marylou5 Jacksane 2012/05/05 15:13:27
    marylou5
    +5
    Let's keep it real and honest....I did not "point out your lack of religion"........
    You "gotta" learn to comprehend what you read and not make it up to suit your agenda! That's called a lie! And lies always come back to bite you!
  • marylou5 Civic M... 2012/05/05 14:57:50
    marylou5
    +5
    Great post Civic...well done!
  • debrarae Civic M... 2012/05/06 15:42:32
    debrarae
    Wrong, try again.
  • debrarae Civic M... 2012/05/06 15:45:39
    debrarae
    +1
    When I said Wrong try again, I was trying to respond to someone else. Sorry about that.
  • Deputy ... Civic M... 2012/05/06 16:20:01
  • GOP Poison 2012/04/28 17:58:57
    I think...
    GOP Poison
    +2
    I think that many on the right think that being a christian has NOTHING to do with acting like a christian.They seem to just label themselves christian but when you try to explain the teachings of our savior they turn a deaf ear. Even Ryan got slammed by the council of Bishops of the Catholic church for his un-christian behavior concerning his budget.If you are a conservative and a christian just get some of your GOP buddies together and read the new testament and ask yourselves "do my elected officials behave in a christian manner"? After you discuss that ask yourself why in the world you keep voting for them. Dwell on the"that which you do for the least of my people you do for me".
  • Sinpac GOP Poison 2012/04/28 18:15:02
    Sinpac
    +1
    I find that Christians only act Christian on Sunday between the hours of 7am to 11am after that they return to sinners for 6 days only to return to church the following Sunday to clean the slate by forgiveness then the process repeats itself.
  • Red_Horse 2012/04/28 03:06:52
  • Jacksane Red_Horse 2012/04/28 04:07:11
    Jacksane
    +1
    Well, I agree with your first sentence.

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