How can we keep American jobs and companies from going overseas??!!
BlueRepublican
2012/06/22 21:20:52
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Is it by taxing companies that ship jobs overseas? Is it by lowering taxes and attracting investments and capital back here? Do we need to re-negotiate trade agreements to be more competitive? Is it more investment in Education and Technology? More taxpayer subsidies for certain industries? Could it simply be global market forces at work forcing our evolution? Do you have another solution not listed? Then join the discussion and vote now, leave a comment, share with all your friends, and RAVE!!!!
Top Opinion
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Lower Taxes and bring the jobs back!!!
+9Lower taxes, make it easier for businesses, etc. Make America a business friendly nation again and companies will have no reason to run away.
Obviously, there are things that simply aren't made in America these days, but make the effort to buy American-made whenever possible. The more business you give to the Mom & Pop stores in your community, the better your local economy.
You don't mention unions, but union agreements keep the costs of many goods here high (and getting around those costs has fostered our MASSIVE illegal immigration problem).
Instead of just lowering taxes, fix the loopholes and subsidies so corporations actually pay their taxes. Don't reward sharp dealing and cheating. Reward WORK.
Personally, I think it's too late. The American consumer is greedy, selfish, and short-sighted (Jobs said it SO well). Money is king here, and you'll never get quality when your focus is solely on cost. We've not only dumbed down our people, we've dulled them.
If a product is only supposed to last 5 years, why try to build something better? Planned obsolescence may be one of the stupidest ideas ever to get traction.
Lastly return to basics (even as a business owner) Everything you need (or your business for the most part) in order to survive can be found locally..... Stop paying for convenience, which equals ways for large conglomerates/multinationals to gain operating efficiencies by moving production to cheaper worldwide labor sources ..... Buy wholesale locally, use local labor /supplies and shop the local small business.
The most important aspect, though, is that we need to change the way we, the American people (on consumer, worker, and management levels), look at things. Our world view.
Steve Jobs was asked what could be done to get jobs back in America. Jobs said that they weren't coming back. Why? Because the American worker isn't as dedicated to their jobs, and getting things done by deadlines (which they may feel are "impossible" simply because they don't want to put in the excessive hours required to do it in a time frame), the American consumer is extremely impatient and high-maintenance (like a girlfriend of that variety, they want what they want, how they want, when they want it), and American management isn't willing to tell the consumer "Hold your damn horses, it'll be done when it's done, and you'll like it." (for fear of losing those consumers).
Those jobs with "flexible" hours? Not working more than 40 hours a week? They add to the problem. Because we're spoiled, and the Management keeps spoiling us. So, they do whatever they have to do, like the dutiful boyfriend, to keep us pleased. This may include going to China, or other countries, where workers are willing to put in whatever they have to, to get things done when we want them done.
It would also eliminate double taxation on every American. They take your social security and income tax out of your paycheck and then it's embeded in the price of everything you buy. Essentially taxing you twice. Just move the taxes to the checkout line and stop taking them from your paycheck.
Then one day the liberals decided they wanted more programs and govt waste and got greedy. Companies fled in droves to get away from the massive tax increases.
As a result we now get 7% of our taxes paid for by corporations.
Knowing these facts what would be the logical and smart approach to increasing the corporate tax base?
LOWER TAXES and they will come.
So until Mr. Conservative has the same window of time alotted to him, I will watch him as he gets a firm grasp of the level of poison within our hallowed halls of justice.
If you believe that Romney's "solutions" are the best way to run the country, you should talk to a citizen of Mass where he governed. He didn't do very well there and he held the record for "most jobs lost" until another erstwhile governor came on the scene, Scott Walker. The only thing that Romney can claim success with and now he's running away from it, is Health Care where 98% of Mass is covered and 99% of their children are.
They are like teenage girls. Spend it all and more never bothering to think that the credit card will be cut up. We can't raise the card limit anymore, time to cut that sucker up.
Under that plan we can never recover or survive. At least if Romney wins it's a big plus for capitalism and a chance at pulling out of the cesspool Obama sent us down.
Government can only things screw up as they prove over and over again. The private sector creates competition and that is good for the public and the economy.
The important thing is to make America every bit as attractive to lure capital here via tax laws, transportation infrastructure, and opportunity.
its the manufacturing equivalent of having mexicans pick our fruits and vegetables in agriculture.
much of what has happened to 'high paying' jobs is that automation has replaced a big chunk of them.
those jobs didn't get exported. they vanished.
Republicans do not oppose import taxes Democrats do ! And they do it based not on facts or history but based on their hatred of America and nothing else!
lets get ride of the bias and go back to what i said - you have to chose its ether HIGH wadges -or- low cost imports ! you can not have both -
As a foot note on this one President Reagan placed a big import tax import cars-bikes that tax cost consumers but saved Harly & Polaris as well as forcing a number of car companies to open here ...economists at that time said this would hurt tax payers and not work ! ...it created a butt load of jobs !
yes. you can have both. you SHOULD have both!
and Bush did it for lumber steel and tires. it seems our leaders do it for political advantage. economically, its dumb, unless you are the recipient of those tariffs or otherwise protected industries.
we protected the steel industry. to death.
the foreign companies that opened here did it to provide benfits to the owning company. that's why GM is opening up factories in China to suppor tthe Chinese market.
its called Foreign Direct Investment and it enriches us as well as the owner of the investment. we get good jobs, they get a solid return. when Fukushima b;ew up from the tsunami, and Thailnad flooded from century scale rains, Honda moved its center of production to the US and made us an Honda exporter.
the big principal here is that we work on comapartive advantage. China has a surplus of low paid labor. they get to do the low paying, high overhead, low margin work that we consider to be 'dead end.' we, on the other hand, export high value, high profit high margin things like airplanes, chemicals and software to the Chinese.
the distinction here, is that we'v automated to such a great extent that there are fewer high paying 'good j...
yes. you can have both. you SHOULD have both!
and Bush did it for lumber steel and tires. it seems our leaders do it for political advantage. economically, its dumb, unless you are the recipient of those tariffs or otherwise protected industries.
we protected the steel industry. to death.
the foreign companies that opened here did it to provide benfits to the owning company. that's why GM is opening up factories in China to suppor tthe Chinese market.
its called Foreign Direct Investment and it enriches us as well as the owner of the investment. we get good jobs, they get a solid return. when Fukushima b;ew up from the tsunami, and Thailnad flooded from century scale rains, Honda moved its center of production to the US and made us an Honda exporter.
the big principal here is that we work on comapartive advantage. China has a surplus of low paid labor. they get to do the low paying, high overhead, low margin work that we consider to be 'dead end.' we, on the other hand, export high value, high profit high margin things like airplanes, chemicals and software to the Chinese.
the distinction here, is that we'v automated to such a great extent that there are fewer high paying 'good jobs' necessary to produce what we manufacture.
if they ship us shipload after shipload of containers holding cheap crap, but we sell them one expensive airplane, who is being hurt? neither. they provide jobs for hundreds of millions and we provide jobs for thousands, by doing what each country does best.
free trade is a net benefit.
You say high priced air craft and that would be a good example ....to bad it can be used by me to prove that we are losing the international trade war ! China does not buy planes built by american companies (I did work for the airlines back in the 80's - and I cut video for big corps in the 90's so I have worked for and with the air craft manufacturers ....there is no $$$ coming into our economy from that direction!)
As far as us exporting cars ...I would love to see that happen but its just not true - BTW 94% of a us made Honda is built in Mexico ....
I will say it yet again we can NOT create a needed 50 million middle income industry jobs at real wadges ( $40 an hour) and not use tariffs to keep low cost imports from killing those jobs - but what do I care I can never have a problem finding a job or creating one when i need to ...its all the Joe-six packers I was trying to protect (from themselves LOL)
I am not kidding about knowing an economics professor who worked for+ with Al Gore (family LOL)
its all in the deal and the way we write it.
sure China buys from us. Europe imposed carbon taxes on China recently for Chinese passenger aircraft and the Chinese cancelled their pending Airbus orders and bought MORE Boeing.
http://www.worldsrichestcount...
i suspect that your Honda stats are incorrect...
http://www.honda.com/newsandv...
looking to manufacturing as the ONLY place to find high paying jobs is probably mistaken. thanks to automation, we simply don't need the bodies we once did to produce the same volume of production. Presuming we turn the economy around and take off again and get some heady 5% scale growth, some will go that way, but they'd be higher end jobs.
the days of graduating from HS and getting a $20/hour job sweeping floors at GM until a line spot opened up, are gone.
tariffs are an economically damaging way to politically protect certain industries. we did that for steel as it got clumsier and stupider and finally died, leaving us taxpayers holding the retirement bag.
and that's a HIGHLY valid point about Joe 6 pack. screwing around in HS is what limits choices later in life. that's self selecting for a poor outcome...
i don't doubt you do. if you could, could you have that ...
its all in the deal and the way we write it.
sure China buys from us. Europe imposed carbon taxes on China recently for Chinese passenger aircraft and the Chinese cancelled their pending Airbus orders and bought MORE Boeing.
http://www.worldsrichestcount...
i suspect that your Honda stats are incorrect...
http://www.honda.com/newsandv...
looking to manufacturing as the ONLY place to find high paying jobs is probably mistaken. thanks to automation, we simply don't need the bodies we once did to produce the same volume of production. Presuming we turn the economy around and take off again and get some heady 5% scale growth, some will go that way, but they'd be higher end jobs.
the days of graduating from HS and getting a $20/hour job sweeping floors at GM until a line spot opened up, are gone.
tariffs are an economically damaging way to politically protect certain industries. we did that for steel as it got clumsier and stupider and finally died, leaving us taxpayers holding the retirement bag.
and that's a HIGHLY valid point about Joe 6 pack. screwing around in HS is what limits choices later in life. that's self selecting for a poor outcome...
i don't doubt you do. if you could, could you have that family member pass one good SLUG to dear old Al? from me? he's been needing one for a long time...
You keep talking about how we protected the steel industry but I say it could be used to prove we do not protect against imports , we lost that industry to cheap imports and the tariffs we imposed where very weak + short lived
* there are makers and there are takers , we have a nation that thinks they are owed everything and who know that they can live a middle class life with out working at all .....so they will simply refuse to work unless they are given more than they are willing to work to be worth ...did you see the blog about dating someone who does not bother to have a job ? LOL
our steel couldn't compete against more nimble foreign production, then more nimble domestic producers, like Nucor.
and we protected it for decades.
its basically the same process that took the auto industry into bankruptcy/reorganization. building in big overhead is what has taken the airline industry into bankruptcy after bankruptcy.
external realities administer the coup de grace when the situation becomes grave enough.
we can't protect them from themselves. especially at taxpayer expense, both in tax handouts and higher consumer pricing.
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ambition. excellent concept.
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no i haven't. i'll go look for it. i can only imagine what it says.
In a nutshell there is only room for a small portion of the population at the top in any economy and under any government , only by bringing back heavy industry can we open up room for a large portion of people in the middle . So our every action of government should/must be balanced against its impact on world markets and total job creation -
Obama talks about 'leveling the playing field'. don't fall for that fairness baloney.
competitors compete. they don't sit around moaning about how tough the other guy is. they get up and outcompete the competition.
we'll never beat China's comparative advantage in raw labor. nor should we try.
everyone doesn't have to be at the top of the economy. that's a false either/or choice.
for countries to serve our market, they invest in factories here. for export of American products, companies have to grow. countries seem to want to invest in American paper, which feeds finance. we have to support our self in farming.
you have to look at the whole economy as a functioning unit. Obama and the democrats have it so hamstrung, we've forgotten how its supposed to work.
heavy industry is still here. it never left. we just need fewer people to do it.
gov't can't create jobs except on the margin. we in the private sector have o create so much wealth, the gov't can tax enough to support itself without depressing the tax revenue obtainable.
using tariffs to protect a few to cost everyone else more is a false choice. worse, a POLITiCAL false choice.
Second: Congress MUST follow the restrictions placed on it by the Constitution! That means you can ONLY spend money on what the Constitution says you can spend money on. Entitlements are NOT in the budget of our Constitution, so we need to ween ourselves off ALL entitlement programs. This will not be easy but it MUST be done!
No need for an IRS, no need to track down someone for not paying their "fair share" and no need to worry about the Government coming up with new ways to waist our money!