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Zuggi 2009/06/09 23:40:01
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/10/business/economy/10tarp.htm...

Treasury Lets 10 Big Banks Start to Repay Bailout Money
By ERIC DASH

The Treasury Department cleared the way for 10 big banks on Tuesday to start repaying billions of dollars in taxpayer aid, a crucial step in easing the government’s grip after an unprecedented series of interventions.

JPMorgan Chase and Goldman Sachs were among the banks deemed strong enough by federal regulators to leave the Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP, after months of lobbying and strong performances on recent stress tests.

The 10 banks are expected to return about $68.3 billion to the Treasury Department, more than double the administration’s initial estimate of about $25 billion in funds to be returned this year.

The Treasury did not identify the banks, allowing them to come forward individually. They include American Express, Bank of New York Mellon, the BB&T; Corporation, Capital One Financial, the State Street Corporation and US Bancorp. Along with JPMorgan and Goldman, they all passed the stress test and applied to return their TARP funds.

Another bank, Morgan Stanley, which needed to raise $1.8 billion after the stress test, also received permission, as did Northern Trust, a large custodial bank that did not undergo the stress test.

President Obama, in comments Tuesday, said that taxpayers “actually turned a profit” from the deal, but he also offered banks a warning.

“I also want to say: the return of these funds does not provide forgiveness for past excesses or permission for future misdeeds,” Mr. Obama said. “It is critical that as our country emerges from this period of crisis, that we learn its lessons; that those who seek reward do not take reckless risk; that short-term gains are not pursued without regard for long-term consequences.”

The $68.3 billion represents about a quarter of the TARP money given to banks. So far, 22 small community banks have been allowed to return $1.9 billion in government money.

Within the next few days, the big banks will be able to wire the money back to the Treasury Department. Still, they will not fully get out from under the government’s thumb until they rid themselves of warrants giving taxpayers a share of the potential upside on their investments.

Analysts say warrants for the 10 big banks could be worth as much as $4.6 billion. Treasury officials have not disclosed how they plan to value and sell them.

“These repayments are an encouraging sign of financial repair, but we still have work to do,” the Treasury secretary, Timothy F. Geithner, said in a statement.

The Obama administration hopes the accelerated payback will show that its financial recovery programs are working, even if the economy remains fragile. The move will also free up billions of dollars that can be redistributed to other troubled banks and companies without Treasury officials returning to Congress for more money.

Still, the plan is not without risks. The government is giving up $1.8 billion in annual interest payments while leaving its support programs in place, even for banks that repay. That means that taxpayers are giving up part of their upside while continuing to be on the hook for losses.

It could also cause a clear separation of the financial industry’s strongest and weakest players. Among the big banks not included in Tuesday’s action are Citigroup, Bank of America and Wells Fargo. Citigroup, which has accepted $45 billion in taxpayer aid, might not be able to exit the TARP program for years.

Banking executives have been lobbying to repay TARP money for months, hoping to free themselves from compensation and other restrictions as well as the additional scrutiny that came with accepting taxpayer money. They also hope the government’s seal of approval will give them a competitive edge and an added jolt to their share price, sustaining a recent rally.

“Everyone wants to get through this with enough capital, but there isn’t a bank C.E.O. or board member in the country that didn’t want to get out as fast as they can,” said Brian R. Sterling, an investment banker who specializes in financial institutions at Sandler O’Neill in New York. “It’s expensive. The rules change. And in some markets, the competitor down the street is putting up billboards saying ‘I’m not a bailout bank.’ ”

Yet even as they exit the program, banks remain tethered to the government by a series of programs that were introduced as the credit crisis worsened. The administration, for example, plans to introduce new compensation guidelines within the next week that would apply to a range of financial companies — including those that returned taxpayer money. TARP recipients, meanwhile, are bound by certain restrictions, like limits on temporary work visas known as H1-B’s, until they expunge the taxpayer warrants.

The TARP program was intended last fall as a long-term investment by the government to get the financial industry through the worst crisis since the Depression. As the financial system teetered, Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr. called the heads of the nation’s largest banks to Washington in October and pressed them to accept the money — regardless of whether they thought they needed it. But when compensation and other restrictions were attached to calm political furor over Wall Street bonuses, healthier banks pushed to leave the program.

In a statement on Tuesday, Mr. Paulson said that he appreciated the participation of the banks in the program, which had helped stabilize the financial system.

The Federal Reserve announced last week that it planned to give the go-ahead to an “initial set” of banks that proved they were strong enough operate with less government support. Federal officials want to avoid the political embarrassment and financial risks of allowing a bank to exit the program only to see it return for more taxpayer aid if the economy worsens.

Banks had to show regulators their capital levels were high enough to withstand a severe recession, they could sell a sizable amount of common stock, and they could begin issuing billions of dollars of debt without the government’s backing.

Even after they repay the taxpayer money, the banks could face another showdown with federal officials over the value of warrants. To fully disentangle themselves from government, banks will have to either allow the Treasury to auction the warrants or buy them back. The government has nine years before it is required to sell them.

All told, buying back the warrants could cost the banks as much as $4.6 billion, according to an estimate by Linus Wilson, a finance professor at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette. Taxpayer warrants in JPMorgan Chase could be worth $1.7 billion, according to Professor Wilson’s estimates. Warrants in Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley could be worth well over $600 million each.

Regulators at the Fed, meanwhile, began analyzing the fund-raising plans on Monday for 10 other banks, which required additional capital after the stress test. As part of that process, regulators are looking closely at the banks’ risk management practices and executive team. Those reviews are expected to be completed in a few weeks.
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  • XENON23 2009/07/04 15:14:49
    ... we told you so.
    XENON23
    Socialism is bad OK
  • Zuggi XENON23 2009/07/04 15:22:21
    Zuggi
    So, where is the socialism?
  • XENON23 Zuggi 2009/07/04 17:05:14
    XENON23
    It is all over all that Obama does. If you can't see it then you are a fool or blind.
  • Brian 2009/06/28 01:41:59
    ... we told you so.
    Brian
    they may be paying back the Loan's however Damage done, There provisions in the agreements that irreversible
  • Zuggi Brian 2009/06/28 04:38:30
    Zuggi
    1) That's not English
    2) That's not true
  • SodaMayor 2009/06/25 10:44:50
    ... we told you so.
    SodaMayor
    We borrow a ton of money from China. We default on the loan. They ally with North Korea and We go through the simple process of bankruptcy chapter 3...world war 3. This allows us to lose 100's of thousands of young men and women on the battlefield. After this is done...the year 2016, there is a resurgence of wealth at the upper most levels of our social order, and the rest of us are drones. Oh... that's communism and it's getting shoved down our throats as we speak. Oops ! we're screwed
    social order rest drones communism shoved throats speak oops screwed
  • Congrats Obama! 2009/06/10 13:24:14
    ... we told you so.
    Congrats Obama!
    Thats why the banks are killing themselves to pay back the loans, THEY NEVER NEEDED ANYWAY, so that they wouldnt be obligated to this administration or the American people for OVER SIGHT into their criminal, greedy operations. Under Bush they were content to take money they didnt need cause Bush had no intention of watching over them for compliance.
  • Not Einstein 2009/06/10 05:21:25
    ... we told you so.
    Not Einstein
    +2
    OH MY GOD!!! You mean I don't get a piece of that? I have to get up off my fat ass and go to WORK tomorrow??? FUCK!
  • SodaMayor Not Ein... 2009/06/25 10:46:24
    SodaMayor
    Yeah..me too. Tomorrow.
  • Mrs. V 2009/06/10 03:40:01
    ... we told you so.
    Mrs. V
    +2
    Maybe people are starting to wake up.
  • SodaMayor Mrs. V 2009/06/25 10:46:47 (edited)
    SodaMayor
    z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z . i'm sleepin till my check get's here on the 4th.
  • DemonKiTTiE ♥ In MUSE I Tru... 2009/06/10 02:45:22
    ... we told you so.
    DemonKiTTiE ♥ In MUSE I Trust ♥
    I wondered about that.
  • artist1963-Progressive Patr... 2009/06/10 01:57:44
    ... we told you so.
    artist1963-Progressive Patriot for Change
    +1
    Saw this on the news, the internet and the paper, including watching the speech Obama made at noon today with the quotes you provided ACCURATELY, thank you, unlike that trashy commentary written by a RWNJ columnist that says Obama has told businesses to "drop dead".
    Too bad none of them will bother reading this and if they DO, will make every attempt to discount it.
  • bigboy 2009/06/10 00:39:49
    ... we told you so.
    bigboy
    +3
    Another neo-con talking point gone down the drain.
  • Nozzghoull 2009/06/10 00:19:48
    Ignore the facts. Obama's obviously a communist
    Nozzghoull
    +3
    "The Treasury Department cleared the way for 10 big banks on Tuesday to start repaying billions of dollars in taxpayer aid"

    Awesome!
  • SodaMayor Nozzghoull 2009/06/25 10:51:24
    SodaMayor
    We borrow a ton of money from China. We default on the loan. They ally with North Korea and others, We go through the simple process of bankruptcy chapter 3...world war 3. This allows us to lose 100's of thousands of young men and women on the battlefield. After this is done...the year 2016, there is a resurgence of wealth at the upper most levels of our social order, and the rest of us are drones. Oh... that's communism and it's getting shoved down our throats as we speak. Oops ! we're screwed . Even worse , WalMart's prices are going to triple. Now how will I afford my prescriptions, oh...Mama Obama is gonna give them to me. That should ease the pain.
  • xx *still chiki in my heart* 2009/06/10 00:06:22
    ... we told you so.
    xx *still chiki in my heart*
    +2
    Funny, ThoodleDumper just posted this:

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  • Zuggi xx *sti... 2009/06/10 00:15:22
  • SparkleyPie 2009/06/10 00:04:01
    Ignore the facts. Obama's obviously a communist
    SparkleyPie
    +3
    The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

    Oh wait... No it's not.
  • SodaMayor Sparkle... 2009/06/25 10:57:35
    SodaMayor
    Just the same, I've got full body armor, and a full face helmet , with supplied air ready. Also a healthy enough selection of different weapons of different calibers. (to avoid shortages) I'll help save your butt when it comes. Unfortunately it will. Pray. healthy selection weapons calibers avoid shortages ill save butt pray
  • shrimpster 2009/06/09 23:58:51
    ... we told you so.
    shrimpster
    +2
    Like I have been saying. Lets wait at least a year before making judgments.

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