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"Can Gays Really Change? A Review of the Jones and Yarhouse Study on Ex-Gays

by Jeff Johnston

Is sexual orientation a fixed and immutable trait? Are efforts to help people change harmful?

One of the most contentious issues in the contemporary cultural debate over homosexuality centers on whether sexual orientation is a fixed and immutable trait or whether it can be changed. On the one hand, agenda-driven gay activists have gained influence within the governing apparatus of mental health groups like the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association. These organizations then made politically correct denunciations of efforts by therapists and counselors to assist those with unwanted same-sex attractions. They claim – without real evidence – that these efforts don’t work and are harmful. On the other hand, thousands of former homosexuals proclaim their testimonies of change through the transforming love and power of Christ – declaring their right to steward their sexuality in ways consistent with their ethics and values.

In a landmark study released in 2007, Dr. Stanton L. Jones of Wheaton College and Dr. Mark A. Yarhouse of Regent University conducted the most thorough and rigorous examination to date of the question of sexual orientation change through religious-oriented programs. What follows is a summary and chapter synopses of their book, Ex-Gays? A Longitudinal Study of Religiously Mediated Change in Sexual Orientation.



Executive Summary:

Jones and Yarhouse studied 98 participants from 16 Exodus ministries around the U.S. Using a variety of assessments over a four-year period, they found that a significant number were able to change their sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual and that the group was not damaged by this process of attempted change.

Detailed Chapter Synopsis:

Chapter One – The Controversy

Jones and Yarhouse begin their book, Ex-Gays? A Longitudinal Study of Religiously Mediated Change in Sexual Orientation, by explaining what their study, The Exodus Project, set out to find:

“Are the claims of a cluster of conservative religious ministries valid that homosexual orientation can be healed? In other words, is it ever possible for an individual who has a homosexual orientation to change that orientation via religious means?”
“Is the attempt to change harmful as so many today claim?” (15)
The American Psychological Association claims that homosexuality is not changeable. The authors note that this is an absolute claim and that change from homosexuality by one person would falsify this claim (16, ff.).

This chapter describes the controversy and difficulty surrounding even contemplating such a study. The authors first note the shift in the scientific/psychological community from seeing homosexuality as a disorder to viewing it as immutable, with change from the orientation damaging to the individual (16). They go on to describe the view of many that science and religion are incompatible. Against this, the authors argue that science and religion can be in a constructive relationship (26-27).

At this juncture, Jones and Yarhouse also note the difficulty of defining and measuring sexual orientation and the disagreement between the essentialists, those who see homosexuals as “natural human kinds” and are at their essence gay or lesbian, and the constructionists, who believe that “sexual orientations are categories, not unlike the categories we use to describe political preferences” (29). Those who have same-sex attractions but do not want to be gay, usually for religious reasons, are often treated with scorn because of the current scientific climate – this despite anecdotal and other evidence of change for some (31-40). The authors view their study, which demonstrates that some people change their sexual orientation, as “an exercise of conversation between religion and science” which they hope will cause a re-examination of current scientific dogma (41).

Chapter Two – Understanding the Population

Because “mental health professionals are substantially less traditionally religious than the general population”, Jones and Yarhouse here try to give an understanding of “the conservative Christian community” (44). They explain traditional Christian thinking about the Bible, God, creation, the Fall, the nature and purposes of gender and sexuality, and salvation (45-55). Jones and Yarhouse affirm the high value Scripture places on marriage and sexuality and go on to explain the Biblical teaching about homosexual behavior (55-61). Fringe groups like Fred Phelps’ Westboro Baptist Church are contrasted with ministries that take a pastoral approach to homosexuality. The National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) is also mentioned as a place where counselors, psychiatrists and others find a scientific perspective compatible with a Christian worldview (61-63). The final section of this chapter examines various groups – with various approaches – who offer help and support for those struggling with same-sex attractions: Exodus International, Courage (Roman Catholic), Homosexuals Anonymous and various independent ministries. Even within Exodus there is not a single approach, but a variety of tools and resources are offered by different ministries (63-72).

Chapter Three – Rationale for the Study

Why study this issue? Jones and Yarhouse say that these are fascinating questions on four levels – empirically, theoretically, theologically and morally. From an empirical perspective, this issue should be studied because of the absolutist claims that change is impossible by much of the scientific community. Theoretically, the study of former homosexuals is fascinating because it opens up questions about sexual orientation and about “the array of change processes that may affect seemingly permanent and deep facets of human experience and character.” Theologically and morally, a study of ex-gays is relevant to our “theological conceptions of human persons” (73). The authors interest in this issue was piqued when they met people who “claimed to have been ‘healed by God’ of their homosexual orientation in favor of heterosexual experience (73).

Here, Jones and Yarhouse describe the stance within the psychological community toward change – including a recounting of Jones’ initial interest in doing this study in the early 1990s but encountering a lack of funding, and the media firestorm surrounding the Exodus ad campaign in the late-1990s promoting the idea that change is possible. At this point, Bob Davies, then-Executive Director of Exodus, found Jones’ original grant proposal and contacted him to see if he was still interested in studying religiously-mediated change of sexual orientation (74-77). The authors decided to study the issue of change within Exodus ministries, with the understanding that they would publish the results even if they were unfavorable to Exodus.

From here, the authors move to a brief survey of studies from the 1950s through the 1970s that document change in sexual orientation from same-sex to other-sex – the details of which are covered more fully in their previous book, Homosexuality: The Use of Scientific Research in the Church's Moral Debate (InterVarsity Press, 2000). Significantly, Jones and Yarhouse state that these earlier studies have flaws, especially by today’s research standards. At the same time, however, they note that “nearly every study ever conducted on change of orientation found some evidence of change” (78). Further, they report on more recent surveys by Houston MacIntosh, NARTH, and Shidlo and Schroeder – always mentioning the flaws and limitations of each survey (77-85). Then, they review change literature regarding religiously-mediated change, including studies by Pattison and Pattison, Schaefer, et al, and Dr. Robert Spitzer. Although these studies have limitations, they showed orientation change for many. Indeed, Spitzer received much criticism for even publishing his study, which again demonstrates the view of the psychological community (85-92).

Given the various limitations found in previous efforts to study change in sexual orientation, Jones and Yarhouse note that future studies on this subject would need the following in order to be more reliable:

1. Standard measures for sexual orientation, ideally with multiple measures;

2. A representative sample;

3. To be longitudinal in nature;

4. To be current, that is, not based on participants memories (92-94).

They also note that those who believe homosexuality is immutable – despite the preponderance of research evidence otherwise – have proceeded along two paths to this conclusion. In the first group are those who support a biological factor in homosexual orientation. In the second group are those who attack all the research on change and draw a conclusion that therefore change is impossible. They then demonstrate the illogical nature of these positions.

Finally, the authors deal with the assertion by both the American Psychiatric Association and the American Psychological Association that attempts to change are harmful. Significantly, neither group points to any documentation of actual harm. Given this, the primary hypothesis for Jones and Yarhouse is: “change of sexual orientation is impossible,” and as they note, “even one case of change will refute the absolute claim” (100). Their secondary hypothesis is “the attempt to change sexual orientation will create psychological distress for these individuals” (103). Despite the proliferation of research about lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgendered, and questioning issues, Jones and Yarhouse’ study is unique.

Chapter Four – Methodology for This Study

Jones and Yarhouse wanted do have the following core characteristics in their study:

1. Longitudinal, following participants over time;

2. Prospective, starting with those at the beginning of the change process (rather than retrospective or after the fact);

3. Representative sample;

4. Gather data directly (i.e., self-reporting, not therapist or group leader assessments of change);

5. Use standard measures;

6. Use multiple measures of (sexual orientation, change and harm);

7. Large sample size.

In short, this book is the first report on the Exodus Project, which interviewed participants from 16 different Exodus Member Ministries across the U.S. at different points in time in their change process. More specifically, this book gives data on the first three interviews – labeled respectively Time 1, Time 2, and Time 3. Presumably, another report will follow when the next three interviews are complete – Time 4, Time 5, and Time 6 (106-107).

Here, the authors answer the following possible objections to their study:

Q: “Why didn’t we implement a “true experiment” design using random treatment assignment to experimental and control conditions?”

A: 1. Pragmatically impossible;

2. The issue here is not whether change is faster in different groups, but does it happen at all;

3. Time constraints (Spitzer saw 2-5 year change period);

4. There was no credible comparison to Exodus;

5. The real-world nature of Exodus ministries would not condone putting people on a “no treatment” waiting list (108-112).

Q: “Why didn’t we use psychophysiological (biological) measurement of sexual orientation?”

A: 1. Impossible to do this sophisticated measurement with participants spread around the country;

2. Morally unacceptable given the Christian beliefs of the authors, the ministries, and the participants;

3. Responses can be suppressed/falsified by the participants and are not scientifically valid;

4. Physiological response is not an objective measure of psychological sexual desire (112-117).

Significantly, the researchers critique their own study and are confident that it meets most of their original goals (see above). They note, however, three areas where they are not completely satisfied:

The study population is large, but not as large as they originally anticipated;
The study is not fully prospective; the authors divided the population into Phase 1 subjects, who had entered the ministry within less than a year, and Phase 2 subjects, who had ministry involvement of 1-3 years);
The sample is satisfactorily representative (not of the LGBT population, but of people seeking change through Christian ministries, and not of all individuals seeking help through Exodus, but of 16 ministries that cooperated and were geographically close to their research teams (117-127).
The study was funded by Exodus and began in 1999 with preliminary research. Interview teams were trained and conducted Time 1 interviews from 2000-2001. Time 2 assessments were from 2001-2003. All Time 3 assessments took place in 2003 (127-129).

Regarding research bias, the authors make clear that there are few neutral parties in the debate over homosexuality, and that most of the research comes from gay, lesbian and bisexual individuals. Dr. Jones’ told the Exodus Board at the very start of the project:

“Since it will be sponsored by Exodus and funded through Exodus contacts, the proposed study will be subject to severe criticism…the only possible counters to such criticisms are a clean and rigorous methodology and absolute intellectual and academic integrity… it is my unalterable intent as Principal Investigator to publish our findings regardless of what they are.” (italics theirs, 131)

They also note that the issue is not whether the authors are “interested” or “disinterested,” but whether the research is methodologically sound and honest. The final section of this chapter discusses some of the construction and administration of the research questionnaire (129-143).

Chapter 5 – The Sample

Jones and Yarhouse began with 98 subjects, 72 males and 26 females. The sample eroded from 98 participants at Time 1 to 85 at Time 2 to 73 at Time 3. This is a retention rate of 74.5%, which is excellent for a research project over this length of time. 57 of the participants were Phase 1 subjects (less than 1 year in Exodus ministries) and 41 where Phase 2 subjects (1-3 years involvement). The average age was 37.5, with the range from 21 to over 56. 64 of the subjects were never married.

Subjects were queried about their family of origin, education (they were a highly educated group), ethnicity (86 were white), previous therapy, religious affiliation and experience, and motivation for change. Participants were also asked about early sexual experiences, lifetime sexual partners, and sexual partners in the past 12 months. These were compared with a major study of sex in America by Laumann, et. al. (The Social Organization of Sexuality, University of Chicago Press, 1994 and an updated version, The Sexual Organization of the City, University of Chicago Press, 2004). The last section of the chapter gives a qualitative portrait of the subjects, with questions from interview transcripts about what brought them to Exodus, goals in the ministry process, intensity of motivation, beliefs about their religious faith, and beliefs about change (144-191).

Chapter 6 – Understanding and Measuring Sexual Orientation

Here the authors give an overview of some of the ways that our understanding of sexual orientation has changed over time and some of the difficulties of measuring sexual orientation. They also review common measures of sexuality and describe the specific instruments used in their study, which were chosen because they had a “substantive research base” (219):

1. Self description – both identity and orientation;

2. Kinsey (7 point scale from 0 = heterosexual to 6 = homosexual)

a. One-item rating – directionality of attraction

b. Two-item rating – above + behavior

c. Expanded Kinsey rating – above + infatuation + fantasy;

3. Shively and DeCecco rating

a. Sexual and emotional attraction to the same sex

b. Sexual and emotional attraction to the opposite sex

c. Expanded Shively and DeCecco rating

i. Intensity and frequency of attraction to the same sex

ii. Intensity and frequency of attraction to the opposite sex;

4. Klein Sexual Orientation Grid – (modified) sexual attraction , fantasies, emotional preference, and social preference;

5. Selfl assessment of sexual orientation (a self-administered questionnaire);

6. Yarhouse Sexual Orientation Thermometer (an experimental measure) – behavior, orientation, attraction, and fantasy (192-229)

Chapter 7 – Can Sexual Orientation Change? Report of the Quantitative Analysis

Three groups are reported on in this study at interview Times 1, 2, and 3:

The first is the Whole Population. Here, the authors first compare Time 1 to Time 3 for the 73 who remained with the study, then Time 1 to Time 2 for the same 73, then Time 1 to Time 2 for the 85 who remained with the study at Time 2.
The second group is the Phase 1 group, those with less than 1 year’s involvement in Exodus ministry, so that there is clear description of those just starting religiously-mediated change and less chance of memory error. This group is probably more representative of those seeking change than the Phase 2 group, which has been in process longer (1-3 years) and is thus probably more committed to change.
The third group is the Truly Gay subpopulation. This group had to have 3 scores of 5, 6, or 7 on the Klein scale of on a separate set of two Kinsey scales and one Klein scale. Since these scales included attraction, identity, and behavior, none of the sexually inexperienced participants were included in this group. (230-235)
Results: The authors report on all 6 measures listed above from chapter 6, using a number of graphs and charts (237-275). They also discuss the statistical significance and clinical meaningfulness of their results. Here is their conclusion:

“The general picture that emerges from our analyses of these data is that, on average, this population has experienced significant change away from homosexual orientation and toward heterosexual orientation. By empirically derived standards of effect size, the average movement away from homosexual orientation may be termed medium to large, and the average shift toward heterosexual orientation is small. This generalization is, of course, not true for every single test of every variable, but this is the clear trend in the data.” (italics added, 275)

Surprisingly, the population that saw the most significant change was the Truly Gay group. As the authors note, analysis of a whole group masks the change shown by specific individuals, which may be very dramatic. This, for an issue that is supposedly impervious to change.

Chapter 8 – Can Sexual Orientation Change? Report of the Qualitative (and Supporting Quantitative) Analysis

Jones and Yarhouse developed 6 final categories in their qualitative analysis of the data:

Success, Conversion = 15%

Success, Chastity = 23%

Continuing (in pursuing the change process) = 29%

Non-responses = 15%

Failure, Confused (given up on change, not gay-identified) = 4%

Failure, Gay Identity = 8%

Taping Failures = 5%

Given that the researchers classify 38% of the study participants as successful in their pursuit of change, clearly this is a favorable response for Exodus participants. Here, the results compare favorably with success rates for those dealing with other difficult issues, like depression. And even though the study is not about salvation, we note that the results point to a more favorable success rate than the one-in-four expectation that Jesus gives in the Parable of the Sower.

One participant who was labeled a “Success, Conversion” at the Time 3 questioning later wrote the authors and told them that he was now gay identified. The authors are continuing on with the study (Times 4, 5, and 6) and will report his change at that point.

The researchers go on to show how each (qualitative) group scored on the Kinsey, Shively and DeCecco, and Klein scales (quantitative analysis). They note that the success groups changed significantly in their sexual orientation – both away from homosexuality and toward heterosexuality (286-296). The final section of the chapter gives questions and answers from the narrative transcript for each group, including a section about what did or did not change for people (320-325). They also give examples of what the subjects reported to have helped them, including: participating in a group where they could discuss freely; group readings, worship, and journaling; individual counseling; teaching; and scripture and prayer (317-320).

Chapter 9 – Is the Attempt to Change Harmful?

Jones and Yarhouse frame their understanding of the predictions of the American Psychological and Psychiatric Associations as follows: “we should observe a decrement in emotional well-being as a result of involvement in the change process” (italics by the authors, 331). Jones and Yarhouse embedded several instruments in their interviews that measure psychological distress and emotional and spiritual maturity. They used the Review of the Symptom Check List-90-Revised, which measures psychological distress and gives results for a variety of symptoms in nine areas, such as hostility, anxiety, obsessive-compulsive, depression, and paranoid ideation. They compared the Exodus participants with a general population (non-mental health patients), and found them slightly higher than average, but lower than a population of mental health outpatients. And unlike what the mental health professions predict, all three population groups showed no increase in distress over time (343-344).

The authors also gave participants an assessment of well-being using the Spiritual Well Being Scales, which gave subscores for Religious Well-Being and Existential Well-Being. They found no evidence that Exodus ministries were detrimental to spiritual well-being (344-349).

Beyond this, they also used a Faith Maturity Scale to assess the study group, and found “no evidence for damage or decrement in this population.”

Finally, since participants who embraced their gay identity would be seen by the psychological community as healthier and those who continue to seek change as unhealthy (remarkably, at Time 3, “59 of 73, or 81% were still committed to the change attempt” 353), the authors factored out those who stopped seeking change to see how damaged the Exodus participants were. Again, they write, “we find no evidence of movement in a harmful direction as a result of Exodus involvement” (emphasis theirs, 354).

But were dropouts damaged? Here, the authors had insufficient data, but stated that the “data reported in this chapter does not appear to support the hypothesis that it is the change process, in and of itself, that produces clinical distress and psychological harm” (359).

And what about anecdotal evidence of harm (e.g., the web site of pro-gay religious activist group Soulforce features stories of suicide by those who could not reconcile being gay and Christian, 359)? The authors write that while we must be sensitive to such stories, they have less evidentiary value than empirical evidence. Anecdotes of harm should also be counterbalanced by counter-anecdotes from many who claim to be helped by the change process and by many who say that gay feelings and behavior brought them despair, which was compounded when they were told there was no way to change. And, as Jones and Yarhouse write, “the reality is that members of the gay community experience elevated risk for suicide and for many other types of psychological distress compared to the general population” (361). While some attribute this to homophobia and heterosexism, there is no conclusive proof for this. The authors argue compellingly that men and women should be free to weigh the risks and benefits of Exodus support groups and make their own choices (361-362).

Chapter 10 — Conclusion

Here, Jones and Yarhouse give a review of The Exodus Project (364-372). Significantly, they articulate what they did not find in their study:

1. “We did not find that everyone (or anyone) can change.”

2. They did not find unequivocal change from totally homosexual to totally heterosexual (orientation is more complex than this);

3. The findings do not refute anecdotal reports by some that they tried and could not change (and visa versa);

4. The study was of religiously-mediated change, not of professional interventions;

5. A scientific study does not “prove” God’s intervention in the participant’s lives;

6. The real changes are not shown as permanent by this study;

7. The study did not document what methods were effective in producing change;

8. The authors do not find predictors within individuals for success or failure;

9. Although they found that on average participants did not experience increased distress of harm, that does not mean specific individuals were not harmed (372-376).

Given this, what are the implications for this study? In short, more research is needed. Beyond this, “these results suggest the importance of respecting the autonomy and right of self-determination of individuals who, because of their personal values, religious or not, desire to seek change of their sexual orientation as well as of those who desire to affirm and consolidate their sexual orientation” (377).

Finally, Jones and Yarhouse discuss the arguments that will be used to dismiss this study:

1. The study may be dismissed because of “raw cynicism and incredulity” by those in the psychological community (382);

2. The results may be rejected because the researchers are seen as biased. The authors argue that they should not be excluded from discussion because they are Christians, just as LGBT researchers are not dismissed out of hand because of their perspective (383);

3. Those dismissing the study may point to methodology, which the authors explained and justified in detail in chapter 6 (383-385);

4. The self-reporting of the participants may cause some to dismiss the research, even though self-reporting is the basis for much research (385);

5. Individuals who were studied may emerge to repudiate their change, although the opposite could happen, as well (386);

6. Critics may point out that chastity is not success – although from a Christian perspective, chastity can be seen as a huge achievement (386-387).

Jones and Yarhouse conclude the book with their study’s results: change happened for some men and women through Exodus ministries and the process did not damage them.

Ex-Gays?

A Longitudinal Study of Religiously Mediated Change in Sexual Orientation

By Stanton L. Jones and Mark A Yarhouse

InterVarsity Press, Downers Grove, IL, 2007

For Further Study

Stanton L. Jones and Mark A. Yarhouse, Homosexuality: The Use of Scientific Research in the Church’s Moral Debate, InterVarsity Press, Downer’s Grove, IL, 2000.

Jeffrey Satinover, Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth, Baker Book House, Grand Rapids, MI, 1996.

Rogers H. Wright and Nicolas A. Cummings, editors, Destructive Trends in Mental Health: The Well-Intentioned Path to Harm, Routledge, New York, 2005.

Revised on January 6, 2009

Johnston is a Gender Issues Analyst at Focus on the Family"

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  • Syko 2009/07/09 15:46:40
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    +109
    "Inhuman" - Humans do it, therefore it is human.
    "Unnatural" - Animals do it, and it is illogical, captain, to assume that one would chose a lifestyle that casts them out of mainstream society of one's own accord, implying it is not a choice, but part of their nature, therefore it is natural.
    "Inhumane" - If it's two consenting adults, then there's nothing inhumane about it. That's what sets homosexuality apart from paedophilia, bestiality and other such practices - consent.
    "Unhealthy" - compare the average gay guy to Rush Limbaugh and say that again.

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  • Izariel 2013/06/05 00:32:37 (edited)
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    Izariel
    Why don't you leven that description even more to skew the results? You could add despicable, vile, disgusting, puss filled, and even the time tested stupid. Do I believe it is wrong, yes. Do I believe it makes you inhuman? No.
  • harasnicole 2013/04/09 22:58:04
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  • thnk4yrslf 2013/04/08 22:07:08
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    +2
    Homosexuality is part of our sexual human behavior it has been around since we discovered that sex is for entertainment and enjoyment as much or even more than it is for procreation.
  • morris44 2013/04/08 20:50:36
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    +3
    that's a whole lotta text just to say "I hate gay people".
  • Helmholtz 2013/04/08 18:17:22
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    "Findings show a higher-than-average incidence of drug usage and mental health instability [among a historically persecuted sub-population] as compared to American population at large."

    Hmmm ... wonder why?
  • Sew 2013/04/08 17:28:27
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    This study is about individuals, only 98 at that who changed their sexual orientation of their free will without damage supposively. The fact that this was done by Christians also doesn't help. They even admit to not using scientific methology. Homosexual behavior is no worse then heterosexual behavior. So whatever right?
  • PetrifiedElephantPoop 2013/04/08 16:29:24 (edited)
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    Maybe you guys should trust what generally most gays say about their own sexuality. Basically these studies have a desired outcome. Maybe if many religious folk would stop calling the gay community liars when they speak out about how they really came to accept themselves as gay. Just listen. The napkin religion
  • Live Free Or Die 2013/04/08 16:00:57
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    It would be strange if everyone in the world was heterosexual. That would be unnatural.
  • Cocktails 2013/04/08 15:47:53
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    How silly.
  • bags the Indigenous Guru 2013/04/08 15:24:16
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    If they are it may be largely because of the persecution the individual has endured due to their sexual orientation. Of my gay friends, the one that has had issues is the one that suffered the most horrific child sexual abuse (by his grandad) and persecution for his sexual orientation. He's received counseling for both the abuse and the bullying and now lives and loves his happy, normal productive life.
  • StEwPiD MoNkEy 2013/04/08 15:09:33
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    Once you brought "god" into the discussion, your whole premise is null and void. This is not a belief issue. This is a civil rights issue.
  • MDMA 2013/04/08 14:55:05
  • CopperheadPride2016 2013/04/08 14:36:57
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    Gaga has the right idea!!!!!
  • Xx_dark_angel_42_xX 2013/04/08 14:34:30 (edited)
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    WTF!!!! PEOPLE HAVE WE TURNED INTO IDIOTS!?!?! WE ARE HUMANS AND NOT A DISEASE. FUKIN BASTARDS GAY BI straight
    GO GAYS
  • captainquiggle 2013/04/08 13:40:50
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    What a load of BS.
  • Jesterz 2013/04/08 13:38:42
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    LOLOL Now that is an incredible load of BS...
  • Bastion 2013/04/08 13:26:37
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    Luckily, for YOU, FleeWrath2Come!, there is a very simple solution to ALL this.

    Don't be gay.

    Ta da! Problem solved!

    OR, you could move to a country with a theocracy, where one group's religion decides how everyone should live. That would help your problem, too.
  • ~Here Comes The Sun~ 2013/04/08 13:17:49
  • MissLeviathan 2013/04/08 11:35:22
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    I apologize to any Christians who are not anti-gay, I have nothing against your beliefs, but some of you are absolute psychotic wack jobs. How can something be unnatural if it exists in nature, you complete imbeciles? Why would someone "choose" a lifestyle in which they get treated like scum? Oh wait, they don't. This entire study is BS, nothing but pseudo-science that was probably made up by people who get all their facts from the Bible and/or Fox News.
    Do you even know any gay people, like real gay people? I thought your Bible told you not to judge, and to love everybody? You should be ashamed of yourselves.
  • Doc. J 2013/04/08 11:24:50
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    No, I do not.
  • Fanghur 2013/04/08 10:42:43
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    To say that homosexuality is 'unnatural' doesn't even make logical sense. Humans are natural, all of our behaviour is determined by the wiring of our brains, not excluding homosexuality. As for the rest of what you have said, that is nothing more than ignorant bigotry. Homosexuality is a type of love just like any other, and should be treated as such.
  • ApostasyManifest 2013/03/10 09:22:33
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    Hey Wrath. What Bible verses are you going to hit me with?
  • chaz 2012/07/30 06:49:32
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    I think there is a special place in the after life for them. One the other hand, they are people too and have that right to choose that kind of lifestyle. Different strokes for different folks.
  • Fanghur chaz 2013/04/08 11:29:50
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    People don't choose to be homosexual anymore than they choose their own gender. It is simply the way you are born.
  • ~Here C... chaz 2013/04/08 13:01:16
    ~Here Comes The Sun~
    +1
    There's a gay gene! Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
    Lifestyle? Did you chose to be straight? No!
  • xcheshirecat 2012/07/29 23:42:35
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    +2
    I'm intelligent and use my brain, so obviously, I don't
  • Chris- Demon of the PHAET 2012/07/28 11:29:52
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    I happened across this old poll and thought I would respond with a few questions for the author.

    1. Did you even bother to read this article? You seem to be using it to prove some point and yet the authors themselves clearly state nothing is conclusive. Repeatedly.
    2. What exactly is your point? Many people believe the Bible condemns homosexuality and there are ample passages to support that argument. Why use a "scientific" study that doesn't support your argument? I'm confused.
    3. I'm curious if you did any reading other than what is posted by NARTH and Focus on the Family? The reason I ask is because the "research" posted by these groups has been shown to biased, inaccurate, and is not accepted as credible by the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American Medical Association, the American Society of Pediatrics, or the World Health Organization.
  • 49er 2011/11/12 03:50:52
    I Disagree!
    49er
    As weird as it may seem, STAY THE F*CK OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S SEXUAL LIVES! YA DAMN CHRISTIANS!
  • S and S 49er 2012/03/09 05:36:25 (edited)
  • sjalan 2011/08/21 19:31:43
    I Disagree!
    sjalan
    +1
    Another diatribe from a member of the religious/politcal right tooting his own horn.

    Sad that people can be so hateful and bigoted as the ones here that voted "I agree"

    What is very interesting is that the percentages of "I Disagree" to "I Agree" very closly match the polls concerning same sex marriage - disagreeing with that same sex marriage should be not allowed.

    So all the person has done is show themselves as a cut and past troll here in SodaHead Land.
  • Wayne 2011/08/16 00:24:46
    I Agree!
    Wayne
    +9
    "Gays" that stay "in the closet", act and dress like normal people and do not flaunt their affliction I can tolerate okay. Those who insist on "coming out", being "gay" in public, should be incarcerated or exiled. Homosexual marriage does not bother me nearly so much as people lying to the children, telling them homosexuality is normal and acceptable. It is evil, a terrible sin, and to treat it otherwise is totally wrong.
  • S and S Wayne 2012/03/10 04:12:11
  • Emma 2011/08/02 06:45:41
    I Agree!
    Emma
    +45
    Homosexuality is an abomination, a filthy perversion, a plague upon the earth.
  • Hubert Emma 2011/08/15 23:36:44
    Hubert
    +7
    Okay, I agree that we do not want people who practice this vile, disgusting perversion in our midst. Also, their very existence is an offense against God. The Bible says they should be stoned to death, Roman law said they should be burnt, the Taliban pushed stone walls on top of them (they needed something to do with their arenas after they outlawed soccer). But none of these will be approved by our Supreme Court with their "cruel and unusual punishment" criterion. How about reversing the Mariel boat migration, when Castro dumped criminals on the US. Dump our homosexuals and pedophiles on the Cuban coast in the night or inland with helicopters.
  • wolfenrir Hubert 2011/11/26 07:44:03
    wolfenrir
    +2
    Haha, you wacky Christians, always forgetting those lessons of love and tolerance Christianity tries to teach you. Hate the sin, not the person.
  • Apostas... wolfenrir 2013/03/10 09:12:03
    ApostasyManifest
    +2
    Yeah they cherry pick the bible.
  • ~Here C... Emma 2013/04/08 13:21:23
    ~Here Comes The Sun~
    +1
    You're all you just said!
  • Betty 2011/07/31 07:05:14
    I Agree!
    Betty
    +16
    Saint Paul said it all:

    Romans 1:24-32
    24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
    26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
    28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[c] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[d] unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
  • Brandi ... Betty 2012/09/13 05:12:31
    Brandi Angela
    +2
    The bible says don’t shave

    Leviticus 19:27
    King James Version (KJV)
    27 Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.

    The Bible says don’t gossip

    Leviticus 19:16
    King James Version (KJV)
    16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour; I am the LORD.

    Don’t forget about the shellfish

    Leviticus 11:10
    King James Version (KJV)
    10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:

    And pork

    Leviticus 11:7
    King James Version (KJV)
    7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.

    Farming and clothing rules…

    Leviticus 19:19
    King James Version (KJV)
    19 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

    Don’t associate with women who are on their periods either.

    Leviticus 15:19-20
    King James Version (KJV)
    19 And if a woman have an issue, and her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her s...





















    The bible says don’t shave

    Leviticus 19:27
    King James Version (KJV)
    27 Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.

    The Bible says don’t gossip

    Leviticus 19:16
    King James Version (KJV)
    16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour; I am the LORD.

    Don’t forget about the shellfish

    Leviticus 11:10
    King James Version (KJV)
    10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:

    And pork

    Leviticus 11:7
    King James Version (KJV)
    7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.

    Farming and clothing rules…

    Leviticus 19:19
    King James Version (KJV)
    19 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

    Don’t associate with women who are on their periods either.

    Leviticus 15:19-20
    King James Version (KJV)
    19 And if a woman have an issue, and her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even.
    20 And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean.

    Don’t forget that if you rape a woman to make sure she is a virgin first and that she is not betrothed your only penalty will be paying her father 50 shekels of silver and then you can continue to rape her every day until you die.

    Deuteronomy 22:28-29
    King James Version (KJV)
    28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
    29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

    But if she is betrothed don’t do it in the city because if you get caught you both will die, you because you raped her and her because no one heard her cry out.

    Deuteronomy 22:23-24
    King James Version (KJV)
    23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
    24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

    Hey if your wife wasn’t a virgin when you married her and you realize you hate her, guess what!? You can have her killed.

    Deuteronomy 22:20-21
    King James Version (KJV)
    20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
    21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.
    (more)
  • RushSchlafly 2011/07/31 06:55:48
    I Agree!
    RushSchlafly
    +21
    Marriage is really a rather minor element in the Homosexual Agenda. Teaching people that it is normal and acceptable is far more pernicious.
    "Homosexual agenda (or gay agenda) is a term used by some conservatives to describe the advocacy of cultural acceptance and normalization of non-heterosexual orientations and relationships." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    The persecution of those who defend morality as bigots is a far more serious problem than gay marriage is.
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