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Hey, Global Warming skeptics. . . does the constant breaking of weather records make you wonder if you are wrong ?

Stormy 2012/07/05 06:52:35
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I was watching CNN last night and they were chatting about the sweltering heatwave that has descended upon the US this week. The weather guy said after thirty years of doing weather, he has never seen anything like the extremes in weather the US has been experiencing over the last few years. The temperatures in the last week in the US have been on a par with every desert in the world. The rainfall records are constantly being broken throughout the US and the world, as a warmer atmosphere holds more water vapor, and what goes up must come down eventually. . .in the form of extreme precipitation. . .otherwise known as rain. Flooding of rivers around the world has seen the loss of many thousands of homes from Australia and NZ to India, America, Asia and Europe. Wild fires from sweltering temperatures have also claimed many homes. Tornadoes have destroyed entire towns in the US and are appearing in unusual places like Venice or Auckland, or parts of Japan. Record blizzards and cold have closed businesses and airports in Europe and the US, leaving passengers stranded for days as runways froze over. Destructive storms have wreaked havoc, destroying power lines by ripping huge trees out of the ground with strong winds. Lightening has killed golfers and sparked huge wildfires. Soooo. . . anyone want to change camps and admit you were wrong. The scientists were right to warn us of climate change, because hello. . . here it is . In your face climate change caused by Global warming. Have you got the courage to admit you were wrong and apologize, or are you still too arrogant and pig headed?
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  • ehrhornp 2012/07/05 06:55:33
    None of the above
    ehrhornp
    +7
    I think the global warming skeptics always knew they were wrong. They were just afraid to admit that we have screwed up. Rather than try to fix it, they bury their head and pretend that it does not exist.

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  • Dave 2012/07/07 19:19:49
    None of the above
    Dave
    +2
    Truly only a corporatist or an idiot who follows the republicons would deny that humans have caused incredible damage to the planet. The sad part Global climate change doesn't mean anything in anyone's life.

    People just get farther and farther from nature - like when the heat rises - humans move inside to their AC and live comfortably. No one wants to suffer the pain to make the correct changes.
  • seattleman 2012/07/05 23:58:56
    None of the above
    seattleman
    +2
    It's just normal weather patterns. Right? osterich
  • Stormy seattleman 2012/07/06 01:13:57 (edited)
    Stormy
    +1
    Right ! Everything is as normal as normal can be. It's certainly quite fine down here. man with head in sand like ostrich
  • twocrows 2012/07/05 17:10:29 (edited)
  • Stormy twocrows 2012/07/06 01:20:20
    Stormy
    Thanks twocrows ! We are on the same page !
  • twocrows Stormy 2012/07/08 21:50:44
    twocrows
    +2
    yep. it blows me away how many people take the word of the Big Oil execs over the scientists. but that's exactly what all this denial boils down to.
    go figure.
  • Stormy twocrows 2012/07/10 02:34:00
    Stormy
    True Twocrows ! Excerpt from the book Eaarth by Bill McKibben. . . . Exxon Mobil, the biggest fossil fuel giant on the planet has spent the last decade underwriting an elaborate disinformation campaign to sow doubt about climate change and with reasonable success. Apparently around 44% of Americans wrongly believe global warming comes from long term planetary trends and not the Exxon Mobil pumps at the gas station. By it's calculation, solar wind and biofuel will account for just 2% of the world's energy supply by 2030, while oil, coal and gas will represent 80% of the pie. Rex Tillerson CEO of Exxon says " For the foreseeable future - and in my horizon, that is to the middle of the century- the world will continue to rely dominantly on hydrocarbons to fuel it's economy. " Exxon and it's ilk possess the political power to make that a self fulfilling prophecy.

    It's up to the people to change how they do things because Big Oil doesn't care about the planet or it's inhabitants. It cares only about it's own profits.
  • Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~ 2012/07/05 15:59:40
    None of the above
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    Global warming is definitely real, but it is caused by natural fluctuations, same with rising water levels.
  • twocrows Anonymo... 2012/07/05 17:15:11
    twocrows
    +3
    oh. well, that's different, then. OF COURSE we should do nothing about it.

    1] science refutes your statement. are you a scientist?
    2] polio and smallpox were natural. I guess we shouldn't have developed vaccines.
  • Anonymo... twocrows 2012/07/05 17:18:16
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    It's been fluctuating for millions of years, just ignore it, in 50 years it'll be colder again... I am a scientist, yes. That is my best area and the career path I am going to take.
  • Anonymo... twocrows 2012/07/05 20:00:03 (edited)
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    Water levels have naturally risen and fallen throughout the years - we're in an unstable inter-glacial period, warming and cooling is always taking place. The idea is, we can't do anything about it. We as people exhale as much CO2 as cars do, unless you go on a killing spree, you're never going to stop it. The viruses are parasites that kill people. Of course we should stop them. But we can't stop the natural warming of the earth - if we could, we should, but we can't. Ever noticed why global warming's only starting now, when we've been spewing greenhouse gases into the atmosphere since the 1700's? Because they don't do anything.
  • twocrows Anonymo... 2012/07/05 23:21:33
    twocrows
    +2
    so your argument is that greenhouse gases were as high during the 18th century [19th, actually, seeing as how that's when the increasing use of fossil fuels began - - but who's counting?] as they are now?

    I'm truly sorry for the suffering you are going to undergo during the next 70 or so years due to the fact that politicians don't want to spend the money necessary to take care of the myriad problems that are coming.
    count on it - they will wake up one day. after the damage is done it's too late to actually do anything to lessen the pain.
    I'm sorry.
  • Anonymo... twocrows 2012/07/06 10:36:50 (edited)
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    I'm saying that the temperature should have started to increase quite rapidly by the 19th century, as fossil fuel use began in the 18th, whereas the graphs people put out show it occurring much later and much steeper - perfectly in line with the natural heating of the earth that has been documented by looking at icebergs.
  • twocrows Anonymo... 2012/07/08 21:51:53
    twocrows
    +1
    what you're saying is exactly what Big Oil wants you to believe. and, if it helps you sleep nights, so be it. that does not, however, make it true.
  • Anonymo... twocrows 2012/07/08 22:18:10
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    Big Oil don't really care - they know they're going to be bust in 50 years whether people believe in it or not.
  • twocrows Anonymo... 2012/07/05 20:09:17
    twocrows
    +4
    and for most of those millions of years, humans weren't living on waterfront property.
    and, when they did - - evidence shows us what happened when the changes occurred: they died.
    the settlements that have been found at the bottom of the Black Sea attest to that. also all along the coasts of Italy and Greece and where the English Channel now flows.
    you live on an island and you're not concerned? seriously?

    but, hey, we shouldn't do anything about it - - even though lots more people stand to die now than in ancient times and even though we now have the technology to see it coming and do something to mitigate it.

    you may be "going to" choose science, true enough. but you're not there yet.
    meanwhile, YOU stand to lose much more than I do. I'm likely to be dead in 20 years and miss the worst of what science tells us is on the horizon. you're likely to be around for much more of it than I.
    and you're not concerned. now THAT'S difficult to wrap my mind around.

    p.s. I notice you didn't answer my question about the naturally occurring polio and small pox viruses. that's convenient.
  • Stormy Anonymo... 2012/07/06 01:24:02 (edited)
    Stormy
    Really. Would you like to inform us and the climate scientists what those natural fluctuations are, because for some reason, after studying all natural fluctuations for many years and exhaustively, they have decided en masse that the most probable cause is our CO2 emissions.
  • Anonymo... Stormy 2012/07/06 10:50:51
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    We're in the middle of an ice age - the temperature is subject to a lot of change. As you can see on the graphs people have put up, the temperature started to increase quite rapidly around the 1950's. This seems unnatural and the product of human meddling, but if you look back about 6000 years, you can see the exact same happened, along with rising sea levels - half of Europe was covered in water, the so called 'Doggerland'. Then look back again, the same happened. The earth is unstable, it's constantly moving around and So is the temperature. Now, what is a problem is the CFC's and other ozone depleters, and Global Dimming caused by the carbon we put into the atmosphere, and the acidification of the atmosphere through power station waste - Nitrogen and Sulphur Oxides, causing acid rain. Also, can you really trust Climategate?
  • Stormy Anonymo... 2012/07/10 02:48:40
    Stormy
    Do you really think that your sketchy cherry picking of data can stand up against the vast scientific peer reviewed collective of climate data that has been gathered over the last twenty years or so ? If you are interested in science you should know that scientists are taught to be their own worst enemies of their own findings, testing them to the highest degree before releasing them to peer review, to be scrutinized again by fellow scientists from different fields of climate science. That is how a young up and coming scientist gets noticed - by finding flaws in fellow scientists work and proving a theory or finding to be false. Peer reviewed data carries huge weight for that reason.
  • Stormy Anonymo... 2012/07/10 04:25:23
    Stormy
    Thousands upon thousands of climate scientists all agree the most probable cause of current warming is humans heating up the atmosphere by burning billions of tons of oil coal and gas creating atmospheric CO2.
  • Stormy Stormy 2012/07/10 04:30:18
  • jackolantyrn356 2012/07/05 15:45:59
  • Phoenix jackola... 2012/07/05 16:51:54
  • Stormy jackola... 2012/07/06 01:13:15
    Stormy
    +1
    I'm sorry . Is there an interpreter in the house? I can't understand a single word of the above except the very last bit.
  • Phoenix 2012/07/05 14:28:46
    None of the above
    Phoenix
    +4
    Maybe the banning of CFCs was a scam too or removing lead from petrol? The science was there and countries reacted to it. I don't get what's so different about global warming except that the sacrifices we need to make are more extreme.
    Not only do we have plenty of scientific evidence but it's all there for all to see with all this extreme weather we've been having, as was predicted by climate scientists.
  • Stormy Phoenix 2012/07/06 01:26:32
    Stormy
    Thankyou Phoenix.
  • Ben 2012/07/05 13:16:04
    I was wrong and I admit it and I'm sorry. Spank me.
    Ben
    +1
    Climate sceptics do confuse me. But then does it matter? We're very unlikely to get all the Governments of the world to ever get together and agree on the measures necessary to reduce our impact upon the Earth unless the absolutely worst predictions come true, by which point it'll be too late.
  • Stormy Ben 2012/07/06 01:30:26
    Stormy
    Thankyou Ben. You're the first one to admit you were wrong. It takes courage to do that and I appreciate you " coming out " on my blog. People like you are going to be hugely valuable in spreading the message. " I once was blind and now can see . . . " .
  • Ben Stormy 2012/07/06 09:39:14
    Ben
    +1
    Erm..I've never been a sceptic. Sorry for any confusion.

    I'm just someone who believes that although climate change is happening,. by the time we (the people, governments etc of the world) ever get around to creating a decent enough plan to tackle it, it'll already be too late.

    Not sure if this makes me a fatalist or a realist, but I don't think it ever made me a sceptic..
  • Stormy Ben 2012/07/10 02:53:33
    Stormy
    Oh Ok. It's just that you chose the " I was wrong . . . " option so I thought you must be a convert . I believe it's up to everyone to change their own behaviour because profit driven Big Oil is not going to do it for us, Governments come and go, and a human can change a lot quicker than a government can. It's up to us.
  • Icarus 2012/07/05 12:58:57
    None of the above
    Icarus
    +4
    The climate is changing, no doubt about that, and as you rightly point out it's changing the weather extremes, not just global temperature. Climate science has long predicted a shift in the probability distribution of weather events as the world warms -

    climate science predicted shift probability distribution weather events world warms

    ... and this is exactly what is now being observed -

    science predicted shift probability distribution weather events world warms observed
    http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1...

    So we are already seeing more of the 'warm extremes' (although interestingly the cold extremes haven't changed so much). Inevitably this is going to increase as global warming continues, so we can expect more frequent heatwaves, more frequent intense flooding events, and higher incidence of droughts. The longer it goes on, the more of the world's population will have direct, personal and painful experience of these extreme events.
  • Stormy Icarus 2012/07/06 01:43:20
    Stormy
    +1
    Hi Icarus !Thanks for those charts . Yes it's painful to think how many more people are going to lose their most valuable asset, their home. Two million people in India have been flooded out of their homes this week alone due to the Indus River flooding it's banks miles out from the river. Hundreds of beautiful homes in Colorado burnt to the ground. So sad. People must wake up and start supporting carbon free forms of energy in every way they can.
  • BlytheS... Stormy 2012/07/08 05:51:14
    BlytheSpirit~bn0
    +1
    Stormy, I agree with you and I may even go a bit farther because I believe we're past the tipping point. Even if we start making changes on a global level, it's too late to turn back the clock. I'd just like to mention that those "beautiful homes" in Colorado shouldn't have been there in the first place. Especially if we're talking Colorado Springs. (I just moved from COS last year and have two sons who still live there.) COS is high desert. It's very dry there and has been for as long as I can remember. If they got 2 inches less rain per year it would be considered a desert. And yet, because of its beauty, people keep moving there in droves. There is simply not enough water to support them all. The fires are deadly yes, but, the lack of water is going to be unbelievable very soon. I worry for all my friends and family who are still in Colorado.
  • Stormy BlytheS... 2012/07/10 03:21:34
    Stormy
    +1
    Hi Blythe. A lot of scientists are also leaning that way. There has been way too much delay possibly because people who are accepting of the science, just believe the Government will fix it, the government will do something. But Governments come and go and their policies with them. I believe it's up to us all to 1. All get on the same page and 2. Force giant corporations to do our bidding by boycotting as much carbon based energy as you can. For instance I have stopped driving and flying for ten years now and have designed a life for myself that makes this possible. Yes it took effort and dedication, but I have found guess what, fossil fuel is not an absolute necessity for human existence ! Two hundred years ago people were living without it quite happily. Our global population needs to be cut in half I believe and a one child per couple tax rebate or something of the sort should be adopted. Fossil fuel has caused a population bubble that can't be sustained I believe.
  • BlytheS... Stormy 2012/07/12 03:02:29
    BlytheSpirit~bn0
    +1
    Truer words were never spoken. :)
  • ed 2012/07/05 08:55:00
    Undecided
    ed
    We go through this every year hot ,cold and so on.
  • RogerCo... ed 2012/07/05 11:29:33
    RogerCoppock
    +4
    Your first video has so many inaccuracies that it even generated another video to attempt to correct them.

  • ed RogerCo... 2012/07/05 20:48:25
    ed
    I can't always pick the best and right one to show.
  • Stormy ed 2012/07/06 01:46:15
    Stormy
    Maybe it's best if you stop spreading false information refuting the scientific consensus altogether and admit the climate scientists were right.
  • ed Stormy 2012/07/06 10:20:46

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