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Here's how to save our country from illegal workers from anywhere in this world.

Manuel 2012/06/26 06:00:54
A Good idea Manuel. And here's why.
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Here is part of a line from a very good Conservative friend of my here on S.H.
We have a lot of good debates whether we agree with one another or even disagree at times. We are always sound and respectful of one another and always try to get answers that will further our better sides of our friendship...This is one of those further answer moments.

Here's is a peak at a line he made in his statement and how I answered it but it inspired me to come up with a real sound answer...but the intresting part is found in my last parts...on how to deal with the problem of illegals.





He said; We concentrate on the Hispanics now because of the numbers and the open border. This is just one line from his answer that was a reasonable attempt on his part about how he seen things with llegals.

and I said to him;

Okay right there...but you will not see it...that's a racist profile view...now why do I say this?...because you are totally blind to it and unaware of it...you didn't mean to put it that way or mean it to be racist...but step back and look at it and you will realize how American born Hispanics can see that statement you made being a racist one towards them. If you wore their shoes.....

And here's why....We don't really know the number of illegal whites in this country...you never hear anyone speak of it in a way like..." Boy ; we gotta start rounding up all of those millions of illegal white people here"..nor do we hear get those millions of illegal Asians out. The point is that it's so relaxed to be an illegal white or even Asian. It's so relaxed that nobody can put an actual number on these illegals because nobody white in America cares about profiling them....it's only those from south of the border...or look like they are from south of the border. Understand what I am pointing out?...It's not a cut on you....

The only latest profiling added to this Hispanic profiling is now people that look like Arabs...

Now here's my solution.................................

So that's the problem...I see it clearly...because I am an American born Hispanic...

So IMHO the Supreme Court really needs to come up with a better law...


So hows about this one?...My solution to the illegal problem.....

People in every State who have private businesses should be the ones subjected to random Federal government checks to see if they have any illegal people working for them from any Country...if they do then that private business pays a major high priced fine for every illegal they have. Then the Federal Government Immigrations Dept will send everybody in that place back to their country of origin...with the money from the fines taken from the American businesses that hired them thus; using those fines paying to send them back home without our Government or taxpayers money.

(This sounds so good that I am gonna send this post the Obama Administration)..


Now if this is done...then nobody can complain that the Federal part of our Government is not doing their jobs. Of course this also protects the one's that are working here from other counties with legal papers with correct dates and time of stay.

With this type of system in operation their is a very low or no chance of racist profiling and it's fair to everyone in our multicultural Nation....

So remember, your answer or opinion has to be based on my solution...the upper part of the post was just an opener to show have this idea came about...
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  • bob h. 2012/06/26 16:37:24
    Not a good idea Manuel and here's why.
    bob h.
    +4
    " Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, yearning to be free. The huddled masses yearning to breathe free. The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, send these, the homeless, tempest tossed to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door". When did the cons blow out the lite?

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  • Manuel Andy Fl... 2012/07/09 16:55:53 (edited)
    Manuel
    Were gonna go a step at a time...

    It is entirely the governments fault for allowing it to happen.

    Not it's not...but if you want to go there...then we need a Government 3 to 5 ? times it size to do the things you want done...

    So do you want a bigger Government?
  • Andy Fl... Manuel 2012/07/09 17:11:33
    Andy Fletcher
    Nope, don't want bigger government. It doesn't require bigger government. It only requires existing government to do what it is supposed to.

    My turn.
    Do you really think businesses will stop hiring illegals simply because it is the "right thing to do", and if so, why haven't they done so yet?
  • Manuel Andy Fl... 2012/07/09 17:45:06
    Manuel
    +1
    Do you really think businesses will stop hiring illegals simply because it is the "right thing to do", and if so, why haven't they done so yet?

    I never said that....most people are` cheats and dishonest....very few play by the rules...

    Give me` an example of a` smaller Government...
  • Andy Fl... Manuel 2012/07/09 18:58:52
    Andy Fletcher
    Bound by the constraints of the constitution. Protecting our borders is within those constraints. Providing healthcare, welfare, education for those entering our country illegally is not.
  • Manuel Andy Fl... 2012/07/09 19:32:51
    Manuel
    so are you saying taking out healthcare, welfare, education for those entering our country illegally is gonna help you personally?
  • Andy Fl... Manuel 2012/07/09 21:04:28
    Andy Fletcher
    Yes. Of course. As would not being the world's police force. But whether it is of benefit to me personally is not relevant. There is no way to logically justify extending benefits intended for American citizens and those who have come here legally to those who by definition are criminals.
  • Manuel Andy Fl... 2012/07/09 21:07:01
    Manuel
    But whether it is of benefit to me personally is not relevant.

    If that's true then there is no logical reason for you to be saying what you said....
  • Andy Fl... Manuel 2012/07/09 21:35:48
    Andy Fletcher
    BS Manuel. I have no illusion that it will lower my taxes. They will simply spend it elsewhere. Though it may benefit me indirectly by easing the pressure on all of those systems thus making more available to those who are here properly, including myself.

    Justify providing illegals with government services. Why should OUR tax dollars be spent on making life better for criminals when they can be spent instead on people who play by the rules?

    I didn't ask you if you thought "most people are` cheats and dishonest....very few play by the rules...".
    I asked you if you believed that they would stop without government intervention.
  • Manuel Andy Fl... 2012/07/10 03:41:31
    Manuel
    no BS you...first off..this country isn't and never has given Welfare or SS to foreigners...and people that come here for an education are on student visas...

    And hiring illegals will not stop..because the people doing it are cheats and dishonest.

    And if it's not gonna lower your taxes or make your life better...than why wail and complain for nothing?

    Big or small gov...your gonna still pay taxes...and maybe even more with a small gov...
  • ☠ Live Free Or Die ☠ 2012/06/26 06:51:21
    Not a good idea Manuel and here's why.
    ☠ Live Free Or Die ☠
    +3
    Because not all illegals have jobs, or at least not all of them have legitimate jobs. Your idea is GOOD, but it won't get everyone.
  • Soundstorm ☠ Live ... 2012/06/26 08:22:44
    Soundstorm
    +4
    The majority of those employers operate under the radar of the law most likely.
  • ☠ Live ... Soundstorm 2012/06/26 23:36:28
    ☠ Live Free Or Die ☠
    +1
    That's true, too.
  • Manuel ☠ Live ... 2012/07/09 03:51:35
    Manuel
    it will be better then just blaming the Government....Americans themselves have caused this problem...not our government...
  • ☠ Live ... Manuel 2012/07/12 18:55:58
    ☠ Live Free Or Die ☠
    What makes you think that?
  • Manuel ☠ Live ... 2012/07/13 04:29:41
    Manuel
    the government are not the ones hiring illegals...
  • ☠ Live ... Manuel 2012/07/13 18:14:00
    ☠ Live Free Or Die ☠
    But illegals lie about their status.
  • Manuel ☠ Live ... 2012/07/17 15:33:25
    Manuel
    So Americans are that stupid?....
  • ☠ Live ... Manuel 2012/07/17 17:09:45
    ☠ Live Free Or Die ☠
    So you're blaming them for being deceived?
  • Manuel ☠ Live ... 2012/07/17 17:20:09
    Manuel
    how hard is it to check for papers?...how hard is it to find out if the person is a legal citizen or not?...Only two types of American employers will not check these things out..the ones that pay under the table...and the ones that want to blame everything including them hiring illegals..on the government..
  • David Hussey 2012/06/26 06:44:36
    A Good idea Manuel. And here's why.
    David Hussey
    +3
    I have said for years the way to combat illegal immigration is to dry up the sources of employment for illegals. If they can't find employment they wont come. All it would take is for a few business owners to be prosecuted for employing illegals and in short order nobody who wasn't legitimately entitled to be working in the US would be able to find work. Criminalize the employment of illegals, not the working of illegals. And don't make it a fine, throw the ass of top man\woman of the company in jail for a significant period of time.

    Of course this will never happen in the 'Land of the Fee, Home of the Slave', where corporations come first and people come second.... if they are considered at all.
  • tncdel 2012/06/26 06:43:33
    Not a good idea Manuel and here's why.
    tncdel
    +3
    The illegal alien invasion can be stopped and reversed, irrespective of which country they originated from, by simply MAKING THINGS AS TOUGH AS POSSIBLE on illegals, so they will self-deport back to their own country at their own expense because they get to hate it here so much.

    The reason why over 70% of the illegals are Mexicans is nothing more than the fact that Mexico shares the same border as us. If China or another country did, then over 70% of the illegals here would be Chinese or the other country's people.

    I know a Korean guy who looks more like a Mexican than most Mexicans. But the reason for profiling Mexican-looking people is purely a pragmatic one, since Mexico happens to be the country right next to us causing us over 70% of our illegal alien invasion problem.
    Nothing racist or unjust about profiling for what's the most likely percentage.

    Profiling is a legitimate law enforcement SCIENCE that often helps narrow down the field of possible suspects, such as when there's a threat to blow up a building or other crime.
    Profiling is also why Israel has less problems with airplanes being hijacked than our own country does, for Israel doesn't let PC hamstring it like our country often does...including by not cracking down on illegal alien invaders.
  • Soundstorm tncdel 2012/06/26 08:25:51
    Soundstorm
    +1
    Our vast border with Mexico is one thing but let's face it. Democrat politicians and lawmakers have been effectively welcoming them into our country for decades.
  • bob h. Soundstorm 2012/06/26 16:03:16
    bob h.
    +3
    Actually, more are going back than coming. Grapes are up to $5 lb.
  • Soundstorm bob h. 2012/06/28 10:55:34
    Soundstorm
    So that's how Obama's taking care of the illegal immigration problem. By giving us a bad economy.
  • bob h. tncdel 2012/06/26 16:56:04
    bob h.
    +1
    There IS no invasion. There are more going back, than coming in. You throwbacks are so desperate for someone to hate, simple facts have no bearing.
  • Dave 2012/06/26 06:36:42
    A Good idea Manuel. And here's why.
    Dave
    +2
    That's the whole issue. You can't fault anyone for trying to get into the USA. Who hires the illegal workers? These are the people to go after, because if they hire illegal workers then you know that they aren't paying them what they deserve, screwing the government, and they are probably putting these workers in a dangerous situation too.

    All you have to do is drive around and look at the roofs being put on houses. Here's what happened to a friend of mine. These fellows were working on a roof next door to him. A worker fell off the roof on to his driveway.

    No one spoke English and they loaded this injured worker into the back of a van. The foreman showed up and told my friend not to worry about the injured guy - told him he's fine. My friend stressed that they should take him to the hospital and have him checked out. Who knows what became of the worker.

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