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Here We Go Again! The GOP's War on Medicare and Social Security

Sinpac 2012/03/20 21:23:18
Here's an idea! Stop stealing the money out of it!

WASHINGTON (AP) —
Conservative House Republicans on Tuesday set up what appears to be a
potential re-run of last year's turbulent domestic policy fight with President Barack Obama, putting forward an election-year budget manifesto that would blend steep social program cuts with reduced tax rates.

The GOP plan released by House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan would, if enacted into law, wrestle the deficit to a manageable size in short order, but only by cutting Medicaid, food stamps, Pell Grants and a host of other programs that Obama has promised to protect.

To deal with the influx of retiring Baby Boomers, the GOP budget reprises a controversial approach to overhauling Medicare
that would switch the program — for those under 55 today — from a
traditional "fee for service" framework in which the government pays
doctor and hospital bills to a voucherlike "premium support" approach in
which the government subsidizes purchases of health insurance.

Republicans
say the new approach forces competition upon a wasteful health care
system, lowering cost increases and giving senior more options. But
Democratic opponents of the idea say the new system — designed by Ryan
and liberal Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon — cuts costs too steeply and would
provide the elderly with a steadily shrinking menu of options and higher
out-of-pocket costs. Starting in 10 years, the plan also calls for
gradually raising the Medicare retirement age from 65 to 67.

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  • Hanna 2012/03/20 22:05:47
    Hanna
    +4
    It happens every year; conservatives hate Social Security. Since they do, it's obvious they support placing more elderly Americans in poverty.

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  • Gยเtคг Plคאєг ( JFK Democrat )
    They are only concerned about protecting the rich, Screw everyone else.
  • TheTruth1313 2012/03/21 05:47:30
    TheTruth1313
    +1
    Here we go again! another clueless delusional JAKAD Obama supporter leaving out the part about how all of Obama's socialist policies have put us soo much further into debt.
  • Sinpac TheTrut... 2012/03/21 19:50:11
    Sinpac
    +1
    What a minute Sport you mean you don't use Social program?
  • S and S Sinpac 2012/03/21 22:09:10 (edited)
    S and S
    I won't. As soon as I'm done with my current career (june 2012), I'm opting out of contributing to SS and all other entitlement programs.

    Both my parents are retired. (68 and 70) neither takes a penny from SS or the Meda programs... even though they paid in since day one, they are so opposed to the miss-management of their money.

    if you put $300/month int a fund that generates 7% return (which is actually still easy to do) you'd have over 1 million dollars in 35 years. I started an IRA in 1992 where I put in 350 per month. in 20 years I've surpassed 1 million in net worth. So I suppose you think I'm rich because I have money... well my Gross income in 22 years of working after my college degree, I've never made over $45,000 per year. my wife's income has never exceeded $35,000 per year. The highest gross income we ever had was $78,000. The house I one, Free and clear is assessed at $340,000 even in today's economy. I bought it in 2000 for $210,000 I just paid it off in November 2011.
  • Sinpac S and S 2012/03/22 00:20:44
    Sinpac
    +1
    Well good for you and good for them. Well since I read yours I will give you mine my house will be paid off in three years I have mutual funds and a Roth IRA. I have a Union Pension what ever is left of that after it was gambled with on the stock-mart and wall street. Gee I wonder who caused that. Bitter you bet I am bitter. I got took by a bunch of modern day carpetbaggers. that's OK I made adjustment. Will I take Social Security you bet. Why because it's my money at is not a federally funded program. The republican party as been trampling the constitution to there will since Lincoln. I have 7 years to retirement and I have made ready to do so. Good Day Sir!
  • S and S Sinpac 2012/03/22 03:06:44 (edited)
    S and S
    Wow, your facts are way skewed. I've been in a union since 1987 (Teamster 200, UAW and NEA).

    Social security, was a FARCE when it was started and is a FARCE today. the point is that it's trash and you can't blame democrats or republicans... the ONLY blame on the CRAP system is We the People for allowing both groups of crooks, and liars to STEAL from us!!!!!

    This IS the fact!!!!!
  • TheTrut... Sinpac 2012/03/22 07:45:22
    TheTruth1313
    No. I work for a living. I merely pay for all the socialist BS.
  • S and S 2012/03/21 04:10:10
    S and S
    it's not a WAR.... the liberals keep wanting to spend everyones money but their own. If Reid and Pelosi were really concerned about these programs and do the right thing, they would refuse to take our money for their salary since they already raped us with graft and corruption. How does a representative end up with a net worth in excess of $60 million dollars?
  • Sinpac S and S 2012/03/21 19:51:02
    Sinpac
    Thats right none of the republican presidents ever spent a dime.
  • S and S Sinpac 2012/03/21 20:57:42
    S and S
    Statistically, Republicans donate more to charities than democrats. that's a fact. Ron Paul refuses to take pay increases, take secret service protection like the other clowns saving the tax payers in excess of $50,000 per day.
  • Sinpac S and S 2012/03/21 21:57:25
    Sinpac
    So I guess I am still waiting for an answer.
  • S and S Sinpac 2012/03/22 03:08:31 (edited)
    S and S
    your broad statement isn't answerable. Ask a specific question and then you'll get an answer based on FACTS using rational and pragmatic debate decorum.

    provide FACTUAL proof of derogatory comments... otherwise you just come across as a generic whiner that really has to merritts to their opinion.
  • Charles E 2012/03/21 01:43:31
    Charles E
    Reading about the cuts in Medicare, I thought you had accidently inserted the Obamacare bill into your rant, with it's immediate half trillion of cuts to fund the startup of a healthcare scheme that might begin in four or five years.
  • Sinpac Charles E 2012/03/21 01:45:45
    Sinpac
    Rant? I see nothing about President Obama health care bill in here.
  • Charles E Sinpac 2012/03/21 02:02:06
    Charles E
    "I thought you had ...", as in it appeared that something was there in fact which was only there by inference.
  • Sinpac Charles E 2012/03/21 02:06:00 (edited)
    Sinpac
    +1
    Oh I don't assumed it to be true the article is true
  • Jackie G - Poker Playing Pa... 2012/03/21 00:14:31
  • Sinpac Jackie ... 2012/03/21 00:15:38
    Sinpac
    +1
    How about this let them reform yours on wallstreet.
  • Jackie ... Sinpac 2012/03/21 00:18:37
  • Sinpac Jackie ... 2012/03/21 00:40:50
    Sinpac
    +1
    Tell you what write a letter to the white house telling them you are forfiting you social securty and medicare because you don't believe in Social programs. President Bush want to take a portion of these programs and gamble them on wall street and ryan want to do the same and he want to take an axe to it as well. This is not a federally funded program it is paid for by the people.
  • Jackie ... Sinpac 2012/03/21 00:42:43
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    Sure, just as soon ad the dumb f**k in the WH sends me back my hard earned money!!! It is my money you dolt!
  • Sinpac Jackie ... 2012/03/21 00:45:54 (edited)
    Sinpac
    You can in another four years. Wow settle down your going to blow a gasket.
  • Jackie ... Sinpac 2012/03/21 00:54:52
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +1
    LOL not even drawing a sweat here , just blunt!
  • Sinpac Jackie ... 2012/03/21 00:58:34
    Sinpac
    +1
    Right On!
  • Charles E Sinpac 2012/03/21 01:45:25
    Charles E
    Nice ad hominym attack.
  • Sinpac Charles E 2012/03/21 02:03:28
    Sinpac
    It wasn't to much was it? I just eased it out there.
  • Rick 2012/03/20 23:51:20
    Rick
    +1
    We're at war again? Dang it!
    crazy cat
    Well...let's at least win this time!
  • Damocles 2012/03/20 23:28:08
    Damocles
    +3
    Where did the Cons get the idea that Social Security is federally funded? It started out as a fund separate and apart from the Federal budget. It was called a lockbox fund, the only thing that goes into it is payroll taxes, and the only thing that was supposed to go out of it is the Social Security Checks to retired workers. A safety net, so to speak. But someone got the bright idea to lump it in with the Federal budget so they could "borrow out of it." So it isn't an "Entitlement" it is money paid in by workers to be paid out to retired workers. Where in hell they came up with entitlement is beyond me. So when you start talking about cutting costs, Social Security should not ever be on the table. If you want to cut "entitlements" cut them from the Oil companies, farm subsidies, and military subsidies.
    Cons want to pick on the easiest targets for their prey, Children, Senior Citizens and the poor. That's just plain cowardly, among sundry other derogatory names I can think of.
  • Hanna 2012/03/20 22:05:47
    Hanna
    +4
    It happens every year; conservatives hate Social Security. Since they do, it's obvious they support placing more elderly Americans in poverty.
  • sjalan 2012/03/20 21:40:44
    sjalan
    +3
    It is time to throw the Republicans out of office completely.
  • RJ~PWCM~JLA 2012/03/20 21:40:21
    RJ~PWCM~JLA
    +3
    Paul Ryan has the balls to write a budget. Not like little Dingy Harry, who has broken the law by not allowing a budget to pass the Senate for three years!
  • Damocles RJ~PWCM... 2012/03/20 23:29:28
    Damocles
    +1
    Paul Ryan's balls have nothing to do with it, get your mind out of the gutter.
  • RJ~PWCM... Damocles 2012/03/20 23:31:42
    RJ~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    Grow up.
  • Andrew 2012/03/20 21:26:01
    Andrew
    +3
    I thought it was the Democrats using $500,000,000,000 of Medicare funds to establish the new Healthcare Law. I guess I was Wrong! Nah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Sinpac Andrew 2012/03/20 21:36:53
    Sinpac
    500 trillion am I reading that right Andrew?
    "Obamacare takes $500 billion out of Medicare and funds Obamacare." He's right that future savings from Medicare are planned to offset new costs created by the law. But the way he phrases it gives the impression that the law takes money that was already allocated to Medicare and funds the new health care law with it. In fact, the law uses a number of measures to try to reduce the rapid growth of future Medicare spending. Those savings are then applied to costs created by the law -- especially coverage for the uninsured -- so that the overall law doesn't add to the deficit.
  • Andrew Sinpac 2012/03/20 21:39:23 (edited)
    Andrew
    +2
    No, that is $500 billion. Count again! There will be no future savings from Medicare. You are too easily convinced!
  • RJ~PWCM... Andrew 2012/03/20 21:41:52
    RJ~PWCM~JLA
    +3
    No wonder they won't pass a budget - they can't read numbers!
  • Sinpac RJ~PWCM... 2012/03/20 22:37:03
    Sinpac
    +1
    Oh ouch another insult.
  • Sinpac Andrew 2012/03/20 22:38:04
    Sinpac
    How do you know? wait I got it you guys will steal that for a continuation of war.
  • Andrew Sinpac 2012/03/21 01:47:46
    Andrew
    Why is that when Republicans want to reform Medicare you demonize them, but when Democrats do it, somehow it is different? Because you are a sheep!

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