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Here we go again. . . . . . . .Should we raise the Debt Ceiling again???

Drue-AFCL 2012/05/16 02:36:51
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  • wtw 2012/05/16 02:46:46
    Hell No
    wtw
    +6
    Obama said a few years back to raise the debt limit about what was it 8 trillion would be immoral and unpatriotic! So what makes his raising it to over double what he said was immoral under Bush, moral today!

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  • Texas Gal 2012/05/18 01:12:49
    Hell No
    Texas Gal
    Stop the stupid and wasteful distribution of the tax payer's dollar. Cut out the lavish vacations for the royals -- cut way back on Michelle's staff -- let them be part of the "shared sacrifice" that Obama touted.
  • John Galt jr or Ron/jon 2012/05/17 04:44:47
    Hell No
    John Galt jr or Ron/jon
    I think it's time to dig a hole under the debt,
    so it doesn't look so big...
  • boyd868b 2012/05/17 03:16:22
    Hell No
    boyd868b
    how high can you raise a rape victims dress before she's naked? i'm tired of being raped and told it's for my own good. bastards in dc
  • jon 2012/05/16 23:48:15
    Hell No
    jon
    +1
    Lower it make the politicians pay the paid votes them selves.
  • joe ramirez 2012/05/16 22:30:37
    Hell No
    joe ramirez
    +1
    Anybody with any common sense which is lacking in Washington, knows that is NOT the SOLUTION!
  • Paul 2012/05/16 22:19:27 (edited)
    Sure Why Not
    Paul
    Stop Raising the Debt Ceiling
    The federal government once again has reached the limit of its legal ability to borrow money, meaning it cannot issue new Treasury debt without action by Congress to increase the debt ceiling limit. As of this month, our “official” national debt- which doesn’t include the staggering future payments promised to Social Security and Medicare beneficiaries- stands at $14.2 trillion.

    The debt ceiling law, passed in 1917, enables Congress to place a statutory cap on the total amount of government debt rather than having to approve each individual Treasury bond offering. It also, however, forces Congress into an open and presumably somewhat shameful vote to approve more borrowing. If the new Republican majority in the House of Representatives gives in to establishment pressure by voting to increase the debt ceiling once again, you will know that the status quo has prevailed. You will know that the simple notion of balancing the budget, by limiting federal spending to federal revenue, remains a shallow and laughable campaign platitude.

    It is predictable that Congress will once again merely delay the inevitable and raise the debt ceiling, after the usual rhetoric about controlling spending, making cuts, and yes, raising taxes. We have heard endless wa...










    Stop Raising the Debt Ceiling
    The federal government once again has reached the limit of its legal ability to borrow money, meaning it cannot issue new Treasury debt without action by Congress to increase the debt ceiling limit. As of this month, our “official” national debt- which doesn’t include the staggering future payments promised to Social Security and Medicare beneficiaries- stands at $14.2 trillion.

    The debt ceiling law, passed in 1917, enables Congress to place a statutory cap on the total amount of government debt rather than having to approve each individual Treasury bond offering. It also, however, forces Congress into an open and presumably somewhat shameful vote to approve more borrowing. If the new Republican majority in the House of Representatives gives in to establishment pressure by voting to increase the debt ceiling once again, you will know that the status quo has prevailed. You will know that the simple notion of balancing the budget, by limiting federal spending to federal revenue, remains a shallow and laughable campaign platitude.

    It is predictable that Congress will once again merely delay the inevitable and raise the debt ceiling, after the usual rhetoric about controlling spending, making cuts, and yes, raising taxes. We have heard endless warnings about how irresponsible it would be to “shut down the government.” The implication is that sober, rational, mature pundits and politicians understand reality, while those who oppose raising the debt ceiling limit are reckless ideologues who will harm the economy just to make a point.

    But like any debtor that has to reduce its spending, the federal government simply needs to establish priorities and stop spending money on anything other than those priorities. Interest payments on our federal bond debt likely will amount to about $500 billion for fiscal year 2011, an average of $41 billion per month. Federal tax revenues vary by month, but should total around $2 trillion to $2.5 trillion for FY 2011-- an average of perhaps $180 billion per month. So clearly the federal government has sufficient tax revenue to make interest payments to our creditors. For now, those interest payments represent about 12% of the total federal budget.

    What nobody wants to admit is this: even if the federal government has only $1.5 trillion remaining to spend in 2011 after interest payments, this is PLENTY to fund the constitutional functions of government. After all, the entire federal budget in 1990 was about $1 trillion. Does anyone seriously believe the federal government was too small or too frugal just 20 years ago? Hardly. So why have we allowed the federal budget to quadruple during those 20 years?

    The truth is, in spite of how cataclysmic some might say it would be if we did not pass a new debt ceiling, it is hardly the catastrophe that has been advertised. The debt ceiling is a self-imposed limit on borrowing. The signal congress sends to worldwide markets by raising the debt ceiling is simple: business as usual will continue in Washington; no real spending cuts will be made; and fiscal austerity will remain a pipe dream.

    When our creditors finally wise up and cut us off, we will be forced to face economic realities whether we want to or not. It would be easier to deal with the tough choices we face now, on our own terms, rather than wait until we are at the mercy of foreign creditors. However, leaders in Washington have no political will to admit that we cannot afford to continue spending without any meaningful limit. They prefer maintaining the illusion and putting off reality for another day

    Congressman Ron Paul
    http://paul.house.gov/index.p...
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  • Drue-AFCL Paul 2012/05/16 23:22:17
    Drue-AFCL
    Did you mean to hit Hell no?
  • JJ 2012/05/16 20:28:13 (edited)
    Hell No
    JJ
    +3
    These people don't know what a budget is. Maybe they should lose all their money and go rent an apartment, get some kind of job [ no politics ] that pays $8.00 an hour or less and see if they can stick to a budget while raising a family, college for the kids, etc, etc. Or perhaps work three jobs and take care of their family. I wonder how they would feel and how they could handle that?
  • COCO JJ 2012/05/16 21:09:42
    COCO
    +1
    I second that.
  • none 2012/05/16 20:27:19
    Hell No
    none
    +2
    Not until there is a ballanced budget amendment, a budget, and a drastic cut in the insane spending we can't afford.
  • Drue-AFCL none 2012/05/16 20:30:59
    Drue-AFCL
    +2
    in order for that to happen. . . . you'll have to get rid of scary Harry!!
  • none Drue-AFCL 2012/05/16 20:44:29
    none
    +2
    I'm still amazed there were enough ignorant people in Nevada to re elect that wrinkled old jackass.
  • Drue-AFCL none 2012/05/16 20:58:35
    Drue-AFCL
    +2
    Amazing isn't it???
  • Libertarian Right 2012/05/16 20:02:16
    Hell No
    Libertarian Right
    +2
    No, but we will anyway. The printers still have plenty of ink.

    money printer
  • Paul Liberta... 2012/05/16 22:38:46
    Paul
    is that what we're basing policy, till we run out of ink? I wonder who owns the ink company?
  • beachbum 2012/05/16 16:44:26
    Hell No
    beachbum
    +1
    In March 2006, then-Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., found the notion of raising the debt ceiling quite distasteful.

    “The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure,” he said. “It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.”
  • Drue-AFCL beachbum 2012/05/16 20:27:20
  • Curmudgeon 2012/05/16 16:08:57
    Sure Why Not
    Curmudgeon
    +1
    This whole discussion has become insane years ago, as everyone has always wanted the impossible position of not increasing the limit while not decreasing spending. As the whole process degrades into a finger pointing match where everyone screams the second you hint they might get a cut in funding, yet still feels the need to say the obvious about the debt ceiling being too high.

    Since the American debt is impossible to pay back, and it's getting tot he point where even the printing presses are straining to print enough money to pay the interest does it really matter anymore?

    In the hope there is a glimmer of sense left, cutting spending would be a great idea to look into before the United States loses it's position of global reserve currency.
  • kcoat 2012/05/16 15:50:18
    Hell No
    kcoat
    +2
    Cut all of their pay until a budget is passed.
  • beachbum kcoat 2012/05/16 16:40:38
    beachbum
    +1
    And their perks along with that - no ofc expenses, no travel expenses, no free anything, and definitely no lifetime perks.
  • James Rowntree 2012/05/16 15:24:00
    Sure Why Not
    James Rowntree
    +1
    America's debt became impossible to repay years ago... No point worrying.
    It's like this... Imagine you owe the bank $10 million... and you have only $20,000 per year income, zero assets. Obviously no chance you can ever repay that $10 million debt.
    So do you then worry if you should borrow even more? Maybe another few $ million?
    Sure, why not? It will all end soon. It won't be nice.
  • Paul James R... 2012/05/16 22:35:40
    Paul
    our problem is the US apparently has a good enough credit rating for around 23 trillion or some ungodly amount. whatever that limit is and the US hits it, and we can't beg borrow or steal anymore, will our country just crumble apart? I hope not, but seems like that is where we're headed
  • James R... Paul 2012/05/17 19:37:01 (edited)
    James Rowntree
    +1
    America long ago passed the point of no return where the debt became imposssible to repay. Even if we were to tax everyone at 100 per cent, the debt CANNOT be repaid. Ever. Unless Trillions of Dollars of paper dollars are printed... so destroying the dollar, causing not just inflation but hyper-inflation, and the inevitable total collapse of the economy. And the obvious question is... Why bother having a debt ceiling if idiots vote to raise that ceiling every time we reach it? Madness.
  • Picasso's Cat 2012/05/16 14:34:04
    Sure Why Not
    Picasso's Cat
    Should we ???????????/
    If we don't there will be alot of suffering going on, that's for sure.
    And guess who will be suffering ?????
    Not our political leaders, lol, Noooo, who will be suffering are We The People, as always.
    But not before our political leades go once again through the circus of buffoonism.
    Where they will act like the children they are before millions of Americans who will vote them into office again.
    So who is the fool here???
    The foolish political leaders, or the people who follow and support them.
    Think about it, and think hard if your able!!!!
  • Drue-AFCL Picasso... 2012/05/17 02:20:05
    Drue-AFCL
    +1
    We are going to be suffering anyway. There is no way around that one!
  • Picasso... Drue-AFCL 2012/05/17 05:19:58
    Picasso's Cat
    Well we can make sure it doesn't happen again.
    By voting for another form of government that put's the power back in the hands of the people. The Green Party.
    But I suppose that is not what we want as we keep voting in the same logic time and time again.
    vote green
  • Mr Marvin 2012/05/16 13:54:12
    Hell No
    Mr Marvin
    +1
    Balance the budjet by reducing spending.
  • Eddie 2012/05/16 13:22:43
    Hell No
    Eddie
    +2
    Like it or not, it's a bitter pill to swallow but we might as well go ahead and get it over with. Let the damn thing lapse and deal with the fallout once and for all. This counrty, and the world for that matter, is eventually going to have to go back to the drawing board and start over on a lot of things. No time is ever going to be right and convenient for it. The way we have been doing things is not sustainable. It hasn't been for a long time and that's been obvious to everyone for decades. We can either take a deep breath and jump in now, at a time of our own choosing. With eyes wide open and as prepared as possible or we can wait and let it drag us in anyway.
    We know it's gonna suck and it'll probably be worse than anything this nation/world has ever faced. But it's gonna happen and the only way to survive it is to go through it.
  • Sport_Geoff 2012/05/16 12:15:16
    Hell No
    Sport_Geoff
    +1
    No doubt it will have to be increased but their has to be serious cuts made to at least reduce the amount of the increase....yeah, like the left is going to go for that.

    This was a set up from the debt ceiling debate last summer. It also explains Obama and the democrats insisting on running the government on Continuing Resolutions. This upcoming debate over the debt ceiling was politically timed by Obama and the democrats to happen during the height of the campaigns.

    Obama is hoping he can turn this against the republicans as he tried to do the last time but all polls are indicating that the majority of the public have little confidence in Obama overseeing the fiscal and economic health of the country. Look for the Demonic-Rats to add some pork or garbage into the mix that the republicans are not going to go for and then for Obama to claim the republicans caused another downgrade. Yes I said another downgrade because Moody's and S & P have already warned that failure to get spending (deficit spending) under control will result in another downgrade.

    A credit downgrade would play into Obama's plans also since under the criteria outlined under PDD 51 anything that threatens the financial security of the United States can be considered justification for a presidential dictat...



    No doubt it will have to be increased but their has to be serious cuts made to at least reduce the amount of the increase....yeah, like the left is going to go for that.

    This was a set up from the debt ceiling debate last summer. It also explains Obama and the democrats insisting on running the government on Continuing Resolutions. This upcoming debate over the debt ceiling was politically timed by Obama and the democrats to happen during the height of the campaigns.

    Obama is hoping he can turn this against the republicans as he tried to do the last time but all polls are indicating that the majority of the public have little confidence in Obama overseeing the fiscal and economic health of the country. Look for the Demonic-Rats to add some pork or garbage into the mix that the republicans are not going to go for and then for Obama to claim the republicans caused another downgrade. Yes I said another downgrade because Moody's and S & P have already warned that failure to get spending (deficit spending) under control will result in another downgrade.

    A credit downgrade would play into Obama's plans also since under the criteria outlined under PDD 51 anything that threatens the financial security of the United States can be considered justification for a presidential dictatorship. Another downgrade and the U.S. may or may not be able to continue to finance it's debt at any rate lower than the Pay Day loan places which would ultimately be a debt we could not service (make the payments on) without making the cuts we should have years ago. When all the freebies for freeloaders is cut off or reduced severely the freeloaders will take to rioting in the streets expanding Obama's justification for martial law and a dictatorship.

    Anyone that has kept up with the recent executive orders of Obama and other things such as the FAA being pushed to work out the logistics of 30,000 DRONES over U.S. soil (drones which can be equipped with tear gas and weapons) probably can see how all of Obama's actions (or lack thereof) have been carefully orchestrated to set up his dictatorship. Obama and the democrats have set up the "Perfect Storm" in which they will remain in the "eye of the storm where it's nice and calm" while everyone else faces the devastation and the liberals have supported it and done all they can to advance it through lies and deceit with enthusiasm.

    Start making your list of all those supporters so when it happens you can a least be sure to tell them Thanks a lot dumbass..................
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  • Wyzard 2012/05/16 12:08:57
    Hell No
    Wyzard
    +1
    hell no....
  • Elaine Magliacane 2012/05/16 11:41:17
    Hell No
    Elaine Magliacane
    +1
    They don't need more money, they need to STOP spending.
  • Old Timer 2012/05/16 10:54:07
    Hell No
    Old Timer
    +2
    More money for them to WASTE
  • Uranos7 2012/05/16 10:17:53
    Hell No
    Uranos7
    +1
    The S7P has already warned us that it might cause a further downgrade of our credit rating unless we make some serious attempt at reducing the defecit. Another drop and we would be down with third world countries like Kenya.
  • moby 2012/05/16 09:17:50 (edited)
  • GeorgeAMartini 2012/05/16 08:05:47
    Hell No
    GeorgeAMartini
    +2
    The libs talk about a war on women. They have a war on children. They are bankrupting people who haven't even been born yet. WTH? That is immoral. BTW - allthe RINO's that go along with it are just as guilty. Fight like hell for the country or get out of the way for someone who will.
  • mrdog 2012/05/16 06:55:59
    Hell No
    mrdog
    +2
    Cut spending and balacne the budget.....congress needs new rascals...bark
  • Inquisitve Kat 2012/05/16 06:51:54
    Sure Why Not
    Inquisitve Kat
    +1
    I can think of better ways for your country to stop wasting money... like someone already stated, get out of Afghanistan (I say, get out of anywhere the US does not belong).
  • Michael=Constitution & Liberty 2012/05/16 06:46:46
    Hell No
    Michael=Constitution & Liberty
  • Stan Kapusta 2012/05/16 06:14:38
    Sure Why Not
    Stan Kapusta
    We have a congress who want to fill a budget with pork. They lost the concept of "for the people". Now it's for the re-election or insider trading. We have leaders who ignored America and focused on overseas wars. Now it's election time the economy and people become important again. So I say why not. They can't do anything else.
  • bodaishinboy 2012/05/16 05:07:31
    Hell No
    bodaishinboy
    +1
    How about operating on a budget and staying on that budget? You know just like everyone else does.

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