Here Is The Latest On The Zimmerman Martin Case.
Manuel
2012/04/21 04:11:46
The right wing has been spreading rumors such as Martin approached Zimmerman in his truck and dared him to come out, or Martin looked like he had a gun and was getting ready to shoot Zimmerman. But what ever, you read them all. All the bogus B.S. the right can muster up.... But here where it's all at...
George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with the murder of Trayvon Martin, went and took the stand at a bail hearing on Friday wanted to apologized to the teenager's family.
But why apologize if he didn't do anything wrong? The obvious reason is this is just a publicity stunt...and probably something his lawyer came up with.
If he would have said I am sorry and just stopped there...it would be some what believable. But he goes on with excuses to justify himself for shooting Martin which means, he not sorry... Here is his own words.- everything he says after....I wanted to say I am sorry for the loss of their son.- is excuses of his justification.
"I wanted to say I am sorry for the loss of their son. I did not know how old he was – I thought he was a little bit younger than I am. And I did not know if he was armed or not," Zimmerman said.
Zimmerman's attorneys were seeking a bond to have him released before trial. He was granted bail of $150,000 . The terms of the bond include electronic monitoring and GPS, no contact with Martin's family, regular meetings with officers, and no access to firearms.
Martin's parents were in the courthouse, face-to-face with their son's killer for the first time. On Thursday night, Zimmerman had asked to speak to them, but they rejected that request, according to the family's attorney, Benjamin Crump.
After the hearing, the lawyer for Martin's parents, Benjamin Crump, said: "They are devastated, completely devastated, that after nine days from the killer of their son being arrested, they learned today that he will be released. They have to accept the court's decision. They pray that his freedom is only temporary, because the pain that he has caused this family is going to be permanent.
Benjamin Crump said "Zimmerman makes this self-serving apology in court, 50 days later. The real George Zimmerman website never once said: 'I'm sorry'. Why today?"
Standing outside the court, Crump added: "This family, they were so so torn, so hurt, that they couldn't even bring themselves to come here and stand, after they learned what they learned here in court. "It has been a tough day."
We all know Martin was armed only with a bag of Skittles and an iced tea when he was killed on February 26, by Zimmerman, a volunteer neighborhood watch patrolman in a gated Florida community. The 28-year-old claims the shot was fired in self-defense. Martin had been staying at his father's girlfriend's home for 3 weeks.
Testifying at the hearing on Friday, Zimmerman's mother Gladys said she had concerns for her son's safety. "We have received a lot of threats," she said. But hasn't produced any proof of this like phone messages and people and places where these threats were made.
As part of the bond agreement, by his lawyers demands... Zimmerman will be held and monitored at a secret location, out of state.
His father, Robert, testified by phone that his son is an honest man and that he had seen scars on Zimmerman's head following the encounter with Martin.
"His face was swollen quite a bit. He had a protective cover over his nose. His lips were swollen and cut. And there were two vertical gashes on the back of his head," Robert Zimmerman said.
But we all can see on police tapes nothing like this on Zimmerman's face or head.
Earlier in the hearing, Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, challenged lines in the affidavit such as "Zimmerman confronted Martin". State investigator Dale Gilbreath admitted he could have used a different word.
The debate points to potential difficulty in pinning down details of what happened in the moments leading up to the fatal gunshot.
The exchange also led assistant state attorney Bernie de la Rionda to quip: "I'm sorry, I didn't know we were going to be trying the case today."
De la Rionda asked Gilbreath about details of the night in question, running through the dramatic moments leading up to the shooting.
Gilbreath pointed out that a 911 operator had advised Zimmerman not to pursue Martin, who was wearing a hooded sweatshirt and who Zimmerman SAID was acting suspiciously etc.
"He was told NOT to follow him, he continued on for a period of time … I would say less than a minute before he hung up, which is prior to the encounter between the two," Gilbreath said.
When asked by the prosecuting attorney whether there was any evidence that suggests Zimmerman's original statement to police was not true, Gilbreith replied, simply: "Yes."
So there you go....any more rumors from the right?....post away....
George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with the murder of Trayvon Martin, went and took the stand at a bail hearing on Friday wanted to apologized to the teenager's family.
But why apologize if he didn't do anything wrong? The obvious reason is this is just a publicity stunt...and probably something his lawyer came up with.
If he would have said I am sorry and just stopped there...it would be some what believable. But he goes on with excuses to justify himself for shooting Martin which means, he not sorry... Here is his own words.- everything he says after....I wanted to say I am sorry for the loss of their son.- is excuses of his justification.
"I wanted to say I am sorry for the loss of their son. I did not know how old he was – I thought he was a little bit younger than I am. And I did not know if he was armed or not," Zimmerman said.
Zimmerman's attorneys were seeking a bond to have him released before trial. He was granted bail of $150,000 . The terms of the bond include electronic monitoring and GPS, no contact with Martin's family, regular meetings with officers, and no access to firearms.
Martin's parents were in the courthouse, face-to-face with their son's killer for the first time. On Thursday night, Zimmerman had asked to speak to them, but they rejected that request, according to the family's attorney, Benjamin Crump.
After the hearing, the lawyer for Martin's parents, Benjamin Crump, said: "They are devastated, completely devastated, that after nine days from the killer of their son being arrested, they learned today that he will be released. They have to accept the court's decision. They pray that his freedom is only temporary, because the pain that he has caused this family is going to be permanent.
Benjamin Crump said "Zimmerman makes this self-serving apology in court, 50 days later. The real George Zimmerman website never once said: 'I'm sorry'. Why today?"
Standing outside the court, Crump added: "This family, they were so so torn, so hurt, that they couldn't even bring themselves to come here and stand, after they learned what they learned here in court. "It has been a tough day."
We all know Martin was armed only with a bag of Skittles and an iced tea when he was killed on February 26, by Zimmerman, a volunteer neighborhood watch patrolman in a gated Florida community. The 28-year-old claims the shot was fired in self-defense. Martin had been staying at his father's girlfriend's home for 3 weeks.
Testifying at the hearing on Friday, Zimmerman's mother Gladys said she had concerns for her son's safety. "We have received a lot of threats," she said. But hasn't produced any proof of this like phone messages and people and places where these threats were made.
As part of the bond agreement, by his lawyers demands... Zimmerman will be held and monitored at a secret location, out of state.
His father, Robert, testified by phone that his son is an honest man and that he had seen scars on Zimmerman's head following the encounter with Martin.
"His face was swollen quite a bit. He had a protective cover over his nose. His lips were swollen and cut. And there were two vertical gashes on the back of his head," Robert Zimmerman said.
But we all can see on police tapes nothing like this on Zimmerman's face or head.
Earlier in the hearing, Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, challenged lines in the affidavit such as "Zimmerman confronted Martin". State investigator Dale Gilbreath admitted he could have used a different word.
The debate points to potential difficulty in pinning down details of what happened in the moments leading up to the fatal gunshot.
The exchange also led assistant state attorney Bernie de la Rionda to quip: "I'm sorry, I didn't know we were going to be trying the case today."
De la Rionda asked Gilbreath about details of the night in question, running through the dramatic moments leading up to the shooting.
Gilbreath pointed out that a 911 operator had advised Zimmerman not to pursue Martin, who was wearing a hooded sweatshirt and who Zimmerman SAID was acting suspiciously etc.
"He was told NOT to follow him, he continued on for a period of time … I would say less than a minute before he hung up, which is prior to the encounter between the two," Gilbreath said.
When asked by the prosecuting attorney whether there was any evidence that suggests Zimmerman's original statement to police was not true, Gilbreith replied, simply: "Yes."
So there you go....any more rumors from the right?....post away....
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FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX 2012/04/21 04:28:39
+5Only a pompous idiot would take the stand at his own bail hearing. "And I did not know if he was armed or not" was the WRONG thing to say and will probably be his undoing. To use deadly force George would have to at least acknowledge, "I believed he was armed and was in fear for my life."
No it's not...but it's very little at a much too late date....that's what makes it look surreal in the moment... because in that apology he tries to justify his shooting of their son...
Many kids have problems in school some have way more then several just occasions. And white kids are not without school problems either....Now a lot of these kids black or white that have these problems don't have police records dude...Many kids get school suspensions that do not involve jail time or police on the scene. It would have been mentioned if Martin had a police record...but the info on it is what would not go public. Martin is not sinless...but like all of us who sin everyday have no police record either...
So again he has` no rap sheet ...has never been sent to jail or did any jail time....he's just your average teen with teen problems....get over it....
Zimmerman's big mistake was getting out of his car to play cop with this teen...that's gonna play a big part in this trial...
And Zimmerman moved out of Virgina for problems too...
I don't understand what you want us to read into this statement. You seem to be suggesting that Zimmerman must be guilty of SOMETHING if he apologizes at all. Whether he was asked to do this by his lawyer, or decided to do so himself, telling the parents that he is sorry for their loss is at least a way of making Zimmerman seem more sympathetic to the jury. But it says NOTHING about what happenned that night, or if Zimmerman acted purely in self defense, or not. It is also possible that even if Zimmerman is not legally guilty, he may feel (and maybe he is) morally guilty because he decided to follow Martin down the street based on vague, paranoid suspicion, precipitating the incident. If that is true, while it may have made Martin nervous (it's obvious even from Z's 911 call that M. had spotted him, and from M's friend's statement), I don't know that physically assaulting someone because you believe you are being followed is legally self defense, IF that's what happened. Zimmerman must know that he behaved stupidly that day -- you don't follow someone (or call 911) on vague suspicion. 911 is for emergencies. It is NOT for vague suspicions.
Listen to the original 911 tape of Zimmerman (not the "edited" or "enhanced" vers...
I don't understand what you want us to read into this statement. You seem to be suggesting that Zimmerman must be guilty of SOMETHING if he apologizes at all. Whether he was asked to do this by his lawyer, or decided to do so himself, telling the parents that he is sorry for their loss is at least a way of making Zimmerman seem more sympathetic to the jury. But it says NOTHING about what happenned that night, or if Zimmerman acted purely in self defense, or not. It is also possible that even if Zimmerman is not legally guilty, he may feel (and maybe he is) morally guilty because he decided to follow Martin down the street based on vague, paranoid suspicion, precipitating the incident. If that is true, while it may have made Martin nervous (it's obvious even from Z's 911 call that M. had spotted him, and from M's friend's statement), I don't know that physically assaulting someone because you believe you are being followed is legally self defense, IF that's what happened. Zimmerman must know that he behaved stupidly that day -- you don't follow someone (or call 911) on vague suspicion. 911 is for emergencies. It is NOT for vague suspicions.
Listen to the original 911 tape of Zimmerman (not the "edited" or "enhanced" versions.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
You will hear true paranoia and confusion in his voice and words. Why is he calling 911? Because he sees someone walking in a manner he doesn't like, and says things like "he's up to no good or he's on drugs, or something" and "he's walking around, looking about." Exactly how did Z. become such an expert on human behavior that he manages to derive drug addled or criminal behavior from someone "walking around, looking about?" Exactly what intelligent reason did he have for following M. or calling 911? Further along on the recording, after having given the 911 dispatcher his full name, phone number, and even house number, he balks at giving the name of the street he lives on, saying something like "Oh crap. I don't want to give it all out. I don't know who (or maybe "where") this kid is." (about 3 1/2 minutes into call) Another thing that is clear from the tape -- Z. continued to follow M. not only after the dispatcher advised him not to, but even after M. had spotted him doing so.
The best that can be said for Zimmerman, IF his self defense story is the truth, is that he is at least morally guilty of precipitating and aggravating a situation that shouldn't have happened at all, and I suspect Zimmerman knows it.
If he would have just said that along...it would have been creditable...but he goes on to justify the killing... that's what killed it...
And he had no right to get out of his truck to question this kid...he's not a cop...and doing this is not what the stand your ground law is meant for...you can't stalk a person and claim self defense...
That is going to play a big roll in this case....Racism isn't even the priority issue ....that's a whole other story if it can be proven .....and it is different trail if it should ever come up...that will be for civil courts to decide....
Did he get out of his truck to question M? Are you sure he questioned him, and when was Z. ever in his truck? Can you give me a link to evidence that demonstrates either claim?
There is so much generation of scenarios by people on both sides of this case, based more on supposition than facts. this case is a political Rorshach test, with everyone reading the inkblot according to their own expectations.
I find it almost humorous when I see Zimmerman apologists come on this site and talk out of both sides of their mouth. First, they chastise you for jumping to conclusions by giving the usual "innocent until proven guilty" speech. Right? "You weren't there!". The funny thing about it is - the next sentence they're jumping to conclusions. They'll tell you all the "facts" that support Zimmerman's case, and profess his innocence (or at least, his justification).
Personally, I'm done. The court has the case. Zimmerman was arrested. That was all I wanted. My protest is over.
An apology is not an admission of guilt, I'm sorry for the loss of their son, too. Here's what he said:
"I am sorry for the loss of your son," said Zimmerman, marking the first time he has spoken in public about the confrontation with the unarmed black teen. "I did not know how old he was. I thought he was a little bit younger than I am. I did not know if he was armed or not."
If it was self defense, he has no obligation, moral or otherwise, to apologize to anyone. It doesn't matter if he made one the day of, or 50 days later, or an apology at all as MSNBC keeps trying to make an issue of.
If he would have just said that along...it would have been creditable...but he goes on to justify the killing... that's what killed it... and
There is a significant amount of misinformation floating around about this case.
I find it almost humorous when I see Zimmerman apologists come on this site and talk out of both sides of their mouth. First, they chastise you for jumping to conclusions by giving the usual "innocent until proven guilty" speech. Right? "You weren't there!". The funny thing about it is - the next sentence they're jumping to conclusions. They'll tell you all the "facts" that support Zimmerman's case, and profess his innocence (or at least, his justification).
Personally, I'm done. The court has the case. Zimmerman was arrested. That was all I wanted. My protest is over.
You know as well as I do that he can't / shouldn't say anything while it's being litigated.
"There is a significant amount of misinformation floating around about this case."
Yes there is, just watch MSNBC and Al "Tawana Brawley" Sharpton.
We're in agreement, I'm done too. Let the "facts" come out during the trial and the jury will decide.
You forgot to include Fox News and Brawley Hannity etc....