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Healthcare Mandate was McCain's idea originally and supported by Romney!




BY JOHN DORSCHNER crline jdorschner@MiamiHerald.com



The lawsuit against the healthcare reform act filed Tuesday by Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum is focused on a provision that has long been advocated by conservatives, big business and the insurance industry.


The lawsuit by McCollum, a candidate for governor, and 12 other attorneys general, focuses on the provision that virtually all Americans will need to have health insurance by 2014 or face penalties.


The lawsuit calls this an ``unprecedented encroachment on the liberty of individuals.'' It states the Constitution doesn't authorize such a mandate, the proposed tax penalty is unlawful and is an ``unprecedented encroachment on the sovereignty of the states.''


``The truth is this is a Republican idea,'' said Linda Quick, president of the South Florida Hospital and Healthcare Association. She said she first heard the concept of the ``individual mandate'' in a Miami speech in the early 1990s by Sen. John McCain, a conservative Republican from Arizona, to counter the ``Hillarycare'' the Clintons were proposing.


McCain did not embrace the concept during his 2008 election campaign, but other leading Republicans did, including Tommy Thompson, secretary of Health and Human Services under President George W. Bush.


Seeking to deradicalize the idea during a symposium in Orlando in September 2008, Thompson said, ``Just like people are required to have car insurance, they could be required to have health insurance.''


Among the other Republicans who had embraced the idea was Mitt Romney, who as governor of Massachusetts crafted a huge reform by requiring almost all citizens to have coverage.


``Some of my libertarian friends balk at what looks like an individual mandate,'' Romney wrote in The Wall Street Journal in 2006. ``But remember, someone has to pay for the health care that must, by law, be provided: Either the individual pays or the taxpayers pay. A free ride on government is not libertarian.''


Romney was referring to the federal law that requires everyone to be treated in emergency rooms, regardless of their ability to pay.


During his presidential election campaign, Barack Obama was opposed to an individual mandate, preferring instead strong requirements that employers be required to provide coverage. ``I'm not sure how ready the country is politically to accept the overall mandate,'' Irwin Redlener, a Columbia University physician and advisor to Obama, told The Miami Herald during the campaign.


Still, the concept was gathering a strong momentum. The Business Roundtable, an association of chief executives of America's largest companies, supported it in the summer of 2008, thinking it much better than a broad requirement to force businesses of all sizes to offer coverage -- something that could increase business costs and make them less competitive.


Others joined the bandwagon, including the liberal Service Employees International Union and the Commonwealth Fund, a nonpartisan nonprofit that studies American healthcare problems.


In November 2008, just days after Obama's landslide victory, America's Health Insurance Plans, a trade group, made a stunning announcement, saying it favored universal coverage and supported a law that would stop insurers from rejecting applicants because of preexisting conditions.


``Universal coverage is within reach,'' the group said in a historic press release.


After being adamantly opposed to reform during the Clinton years, AHIP said it had changed its mind -- based on one condition: Any reform plan had to require that all individuals have insurance or pay stiff penalties.


AHIP's reasoning was simple: Many of the uninsured are healthy and under age 35. They either have jobs that don't offer insurance or they didn't pay for insurance because they were certain they wouldn't get sick.


Having this group in an insurance pool spreads risk. Without an individual mandate requiring them to get insurance, Americans could wait until they got sick and then sign up for insurance -- a trend that would mean only sick people would be paying premiums while running up huge bills. In this scenario, healthy people would have no need to buy insurance -- a financially disastrous situation for insurance companies.


The Obama administration saw that the mandate was the only way to get a reform package passed and it became a foundation of the legislation, along with subsidies for those who couldn't afford coverage.


On Monday, the day after it was passed, McCollum was ready with a press release: ``The healthcare reform legislation passed by the U.S. House of Representatives last night clearly violates the U.S. Constitution and infringes on each state's sovereignty.''


He objected to Thompson's car insurance analogy because people could choose wether or not they wanted to drive a car, while people had no choice about buying health insurance under the reform act. What's more, car insurance was rightly a state requirement, not a federal one.


He was joined in the lawsuit by attorneys general from Alabama, Colorado, Idaho, Louisiana, Michigan, Nebraska, Pennsylvania, Washington, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas and Utah and Washington.




The Miami Herald




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  • chaoskitty123 2010/03/24 16:42:06
    chaoskitty123
    +12
    It was the same way when Democrats opposed Prescription Plan D and when Bush was in office how Republicans would push legislation Democrats opposed when they had in fact passed similar legislation themselves.

    Simple fact... the states have the right to pass such mandates individually... the federal government does not have that right to pass such a mandate on the states. So the comparison and criticism of Romney is in fact based in ignorance as he had such right in Massachusetts which I understand is in deep financial trouble much like California... ironic that the two biggest Democrat states in the nation are also two of the biggest states in financial trouble isn't it?

    I always love to watch Democrats prove themselves to be hypocrits whining and complaining proving no different than they claim Republicans are.

    Fact...

    In my state of Alabama, we mandated that everyone has to have auto insurance.

    Fact...

    Within a year of doing this, the cost of auto repair began to skyrocket. It turned out that auto repair was held down in cost for the simple fact that most people paid out of pocket for repairs and the costs had to be kept low or they would just fix their engine troubles themselves or go to a junkyard to find fenders or things like doors to replace parts of the body its...















    It was the same way when Democrats opposed Prescription Plan D and when Bush was in office how Republicans would push legislation Democrats opposed when they had in fact passed similar legislation themselves.

    Simple fact... the states have the right to pass such mandates individually... the federal government does not have that right to pass such a mandate on the states. So the comparison and criticism of Romney is in fact based in ignorance as he had such right in Massachusetts which I understand is in deep financial trouble much like California... ironic that the two biggest Democrat states in the nation are also two of the biggest states in financial trouble isn't it?

    I always love to watch Democrats prove themselves to be hypocrits whining and complaining proving no different than they claim Republicans are.

    Fact...

    In my state of Alabama, we mandated that everyone has to have auto insurance.

    Fact...

    Within a year of doing this, the cost of auto repair began to skyrocket. It turned out that auto repair was held down in cost for the simple fact that most people paid out of pocket for repairs and the costs had to be kept low or they would just fix their engine troubles themselves or go to a junkyard to find fenders or things like doors to replace parts of the body itself. This is Alabama and we're very self reliant in these areas. However, once it was mandated that we all had to have auto insurance, the auto repair specialists began raising their rates through the rood because insurance companies had to pay them. Then the insurance rates went up as well when they were supposed to go down due to competition... there's no competition when everyone has to buy auto insurance and insurance providers have to pay higher and higher costs. The reason is a simple one... there's not that many auto insurance providers so they can survive on the profits they make even if they lose half their customers as with a mandate, they can just change a few business practices and the customers will be back later.

    Then there's the fact if it costs too much to fix, they'll declare your car a total loss so you have to fix it yourself or they can legally force you to turn over the keys to your car and pay you the blue book resale value to put a down payment on a new car because it won't even be enough money to get a good used car in most cases since the blue book value is always less than the actual selling price. Then there's the fact you have to buy insurance for every car you have so that even if you don't drive it other than in an emergency or it's just sitting in your yard with no tires on it, gotta have insurance so that in turn hurt new auto sales because many wouldn't buy new cars and those who did unloaded their old ones so people who need a car can buy used ones far cheaper than new ones.

    Like with auto insurance, our doctors and hospitals set their prices and no one controls this but them. A mandate to buy health insurance will have the exact same results as buying a mandate to buy auto insurance for that reason.

    Democrats tend to be very ignorant about these issues. They kept comparing us to England, Canada and even France... all three nations have limits on what you can charge for health care because it's controlled by the government... that's not the case in the US. They also cap the cost of prescription medications which is why people like myself were outraged by Obama's secret deal with Big Pharma because he eliminated the possibility of our doing that.

    The health care plan proposed by President Obama and passed by the Senate lacks the two most important elements that make universal health care possible with the first being price controls and the second being lack of understanding about the free market system.

    Many say Obama can do this? If you cross state lines with an underage person without permission by legal guardians... you are in violation of the law because the states alone provide for the well being and safety of their citizens. We hear about these kind of incidents all the time and yet for some reason it just didn't sink in with health care.

    The reason you can't sell health care insurance across state lines is that private health care is governed by each individual state. Each state in turn has the sole given right to protect the safety and well being of their citizens... creates a conflict of interest. This is also why police in one state have no jurisdiction in another state.

    Think what you will... the Tenth Amendment holds governance here and Obama's promises are about to hit a brick wall.

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  • Ghost 2011/08/03 03:02:57
    Ghost
    Hey Flacid........Didn't your mommy ever tell you that a drowning man will grasp at a straw?
    Hussein is the drowning man.
  • Joseph E. Bowker, CMSgt, US... 2010/04/22 15:31:00 (edited)
    Joseph E. Bowker, CMSgt, USAF (Ret)
    +2
    Wow! I am gonna sue Gov. Perry in Texas where it is mandated that I have Motor Vehicle Insurance. Is that illegal? Oh, he is a Republican, he wouldn't over tax me, if it wasn't legal, would he? Actually, I was involved in a 9 car collision, where the family in front of me were from Mexico, and they thought they had Insurance to drive in Texas, but it was only good on the Border, and my "Uninsured Vehicle Coverage" had to cover my repairs, and they tried to sue me for hitting them , and forcing them to hit the car in front. My "Progressive Coverage" (How could I pass up insurance called "Progressive?") sent a tough lawyer that won, my side, and forced them to recover my Comprehensive deductible.

    Anyone fighting the "Mandated" portion of Health Insurance is foolish, to say the least. I think we have to consider, a certain limit of poor people, and we may need to redefine poor. But the rich people that did so well, and paid so little taxes, for the past 8 years, can help out willingly by the 3% increase on $250,000.00 of annual income. They owe it to the working, middle and military classes that make their good lives possible.

    The important part of this issue would be to remove the Corporate-Fascist Insurance Corporations, and make the entire Health Care System, a Federal, not for profit, and insurance a single-payer, universal-comprehensive, national health care program based on the highly successful Health Care in Germany.
  • beachbum 2010/04/09 15:50:21
    beachbum
    For me, the only thing that would change would be the names of the people I was complaining about.
  • seattleman 2010/03/26 21:14:57
    seattleman
    I'm not a big fan of the mandate. I understand the reasoning behind it, but I still don't like it. I think this lawsuit needs to be heard, and ruled on. ....quickly
  • GINGERBREAD 2010/03/26 00:41:43
    GINGERBREAD
    +1
    Wrong, these people you named, McCain and Romney, are republicans. but they are not conservatives. They were "PROGRESSIVES" riding on the conservative banner, but once they are elected, they will revert back to their "PROGRESSIVE" nature. Right now, these two are, all of a sudden, finding their "conservative roots". I hope the people aren't fooled the second time around. They need to go to their "PROGRESSIVE" roots.
  • flaca BN-0 GINGERB... 2010/03/26 01:26:04
    flaca BN-0
    Chuck Grassley was also a proponent of it.
  • GINGERB... flaca BN-0 2010/03/27 03:26:59
    GINGERBREAD
    +1
    Ah flaquita, you keep bringing up "PROGRESSIVES". I keep telling you and telling you, there is a difference between a conservative, a true conservative, and someone passing themselves off as conservatives until they get elected, then they will revert back to their "PROGRESSIVE" roots. You can name as many of them as you want to, but the answer would be the same.
  • beachbum GINGERB... 2010/04/09 15:51:10
    beachbum
    true.
  • SNIPER 2010/03/25 21:37:33
    SNIPER
    John McCain isn't a Conservative Republican ! More like a RINO !!!!!
  • flaca BN-0 SNIPER 2010/03/27 03:33:21
    flaca BN-0
    maybe that will make you ask why Palin is so behind him
  • SNIPER flaca BN-0 2010/03/27 03:36:00
    SNIPER
    Payback !
  • GINGERB... flaca BN-0 2010/03/28 04:58:09
    GINGERBREAD
    That my dear is called Pay back for naming her his running mate. That's all
  • Pissed off contractor 2010/03/25 21:25:52
    Pissed off contractor
    +1
    McCain is a RINO and was not the choice of most Republicans. As far as Romney he has tried this in Mass. and all is not going so well. I agree that we needed some type of healthcare reform but not this. Honestly I wish this administration was as worried about getting people back to work rather than spending a boatload of money on things that could have waited untill our economy was back on track. At the rate we are going now most will be unemployed but we will have health insurance for when we are dying from hypothermia, or starvation from having to live under a bridge with no food.
  • Joseph ... Pissed ... 2010/04/22 15:46:48 (edited)
    Joseph E. Bowker, CMSgt, USAF (Ret)
    +3
    ...that is a Republican Plan. Put the country in such dire straights, that the Democrats when they come into power, are so busy fixing the Republican (GOP) Mess, that we never get the Progressive Platform underway. This President is smart enough, and his Administration diverse enough to do both. Desperately, the Government is pulling us back off the shelf of global economic destruction, mandated by Conservative excesses, and 3-time failed Reaganomics and pushing forwarded much needed reform to return the nation to the pre-Reagan, post FDR good-ol' days. The days of Wine & Roses, before the Republican-Dixiecrat Plutocracy chased America down the path of ruin for the Middle, Working and Soldier classes, and America in General. chased america path ruin middle working soldier classes america general chased america path ruin middle working soldier classes america general
  • Bitwise Operator 2010/03/25 18:48:00
    Bitwise Operator
    Only goes to show that the two 'electable' parties are just two faces of the same political whore. Independents have been saying as much for years, and years, and years, ....
  • Joseph ... Bitwise... 2010/04/22 15:50:00
    Joseph E. Bowker, CMSgt, USAF (Ret)
    ...I think it is great that you Conservaturds should develop and vote for third party independents. Line up all you Teabaggers. Get on the GOP ticket ya'all.
  • Bitwise... Joseph ... 2010/04/27 14:35:36 (edited)
    Bitwise Operator
    Typical moron with his nose shoved up the ass of the Democrat party. It's a good thing that there are individuals in America that work hard so you can have your share of "gub'ment" handouts.
  • you betcha 2010/03/25 16:05:21
    you betcha
    +2
    I honestly don't care WHO came up with the IDEA -- I care who shoved it down our throats as a done deal.
  • Joseph ... you betcha 2010/04/22 15:50:41 (edited)
    Joseph E. Bowker, CMSgt, USAF (Ret)
    +1
    ...it is known as, "Elections have Consequences." You guys in the black hats lost, us guys with the White hats, won, and now we have a great President, doing a fine job for the American People, and not just the 3% Wealthiest-Elitist in the American Oligarchy.
  • you betcha Joseph ... 2010/04/22 17:37:50
    you betcha
    You parrot your "great" president who for once told the truth--elections DO have consequences (thanks for that nugget of wisdom, Captain Obvious) and the elections this November will show all of the political lemmings what the consequences of defying the will of the American people are.

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