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Health care reform bill upheld--because it's a tax!

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/28 19:47:12
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The Supreme Court of the United States upheld
almost everything that the health care reform bill does. The only thing
the Court disallowed was removing all Medicaid funds from States who
refuse to expand their Medicaid programs. This opinion severely weakens
the Constitution and grants Congress unlimited power to tax. But it also means that all who vociferously denied that the health care reform bill had a tax increase in it, were lying.


Health care reform bill opinion

The Supreme Court released a 193-page opinion under the title National Federation of Independent Business et al. v. Sebelius et al. The Court had two questions before it:


  1. May the Congress force people to buy something, or else pay a money penalty? (And what do you call that penalty? Is it a tax or a fine?)
  2. May the Congress force a State to expand a massive charity program (Medicaid), and withdraw all the funds they now send to that State if it does not?

Besides that,the Court had to ask whether the health care reform bill could stand if any part of it could not
stand. When Congress passes a law, they usually put in a line to say
that if a court holds one part of the law unconstitutional, the rest of
the law can stand. Lawyers say that they make the parts of the law severable. Congress did not do that in the health care reform bill. In fact, they took out a severability line that they had earlier put in.


The Court;s answer: Yes, Congress can make you buy health insurance,
but not for the reason Congress first said. Chief Justice John Roberts
explained it (or tried to). According to him, the “Commerce Clause” does
not let Congress force anyone to buy something they wouldn’t otherwise
buy. But the Tax Clause lets Congress tax anyone, for any reason.


Roberts took note that the health care reform bill called its “Minimal Coverage Mandate” a penalty and not a tax.
Because Congress did that, the government could not argue that the
Anti-Injunction Act made the lawsuit premature. (The Anti-Injunction Act
says that a taxpayer can’t sue to stop a tax until he has first paid
it.) But Roberts said that whatever Congress chose to call it, it was a tax if that’s what it took to save the law. The Syllabus clearly says:


Because “every reasonable construction must be resorted to, in order to save a statute from unconstitutionality,” Hooper v. California, 155 U. S. 648, 657, the question is whether it is “fairly possible” to interpret the mandate as imposing such a tax, Crowell v. Benson, 285 U. S. 22, 62. Pp. 31–32.


Roberts decided that it was. He also decided that he could in effect rewrite a statute.


In answering that constitutional question, this Court
follows a functional approach,“[d]isregarding the designation of the
exaction, and viewing its substance and application.” United States v. Constantine, 296 U. S. 287,

294. Pp. 33–35.


On point 2 above, Roberts said that Congress had no authority to withdraw all Medicaid funds from a State that did not expand its Medicaid program. The reason: Congress cannot make a State do anything.


Finally, the Court seemed to assume that the parts of any law were always severable, whether the law itself says so or not.


What the opinion really means
The Supreme Court upholds the health care reform bill

The United States Supreme Court, with several March for Life participants in the foreground. Photo: CNAV files


Obviously the opinion means that the health care reform bill stands,
except that the Medicaid penalty does not stand. But it means something
worse than that: Congress may tax anyone, for any reason, to force him or her to do anything it wants. Even if the government cannot fine a person, it can tax that person. Furthermore, the government can tax wherever it may not fine.


This is a blank check for the government. It destroys almost all the
protections that a person now enjoys. All the government has to do, to
fine a person (in any amount) for any reason or no reason, is to call
the penalty a tax instead of a fine. The government can also be as
selective as it wants in deciding whom to tax, and whom not to tax, and
why or why not. (Roberts also said that because the “minimum coverage
mandate” did not apply to everyone, whether they acted or no, it was not
a capitation tax and the government need not apportion it like one.)


Therefore, any American citizen or lawful resident might be subject to a bill of attainder, an ex post facto penalty, or any kind of “excessive fine.” The only things that the government may not do as arbitrarily are:


  • To execute someone, or
  • To confine someone.

Chief Justice Roberts just gave the government the perfect workaround: call it a tax!

So says the Court. But what say you? Is this good for the country? Bad? Indifferent?

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  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/28 19:50:09
    Bad! By this theory, the government may tax you, for any reason or no reason,...
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +14
    What just happened to our country? Now all the things the government could not fine you for, it can tax you for. Bill of attainder? Tax. Ex post facto? Tax. Excessive fine? Tax.

    We also saw a Chief Justice rewrite a statute to save it from "unconstitutionality."

    Why even have a written Constitution, if it does not stop the Congress from passing a revenue-raiser (which the Court now calls it) that originated in the Senate, and using the taxing power to do what the Commerce Clause does not allow?

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  • Charles R. Anderson 2012/07/04 19:02:00
    Bad! By this theory, the government may tax you, for any reason or no reason,...
    Charles R. Anderson
    +3
    Of course if it was a tax, the Supreme Court was required to defer judgment until the tax was collected. The ruling is internally inconsistent. The bill and its supporters were certainly a fraud. The House and Senate members who voted for it violated their oath of office by not having read it to see if each of them thought it was constitutional. The incessant claims the bill would improve medical care were a fraud. The claim it would decrease medical costs was a still greater fraud. The claim we could keep the medical insurance we had, was a fraud. This is government by obvious fraud and we are supposed to be too stupid and too cowardly to call it what it is and to rebel against it.
  • Louisa - Enemy of the State 2012/06/30 00:21:27
    Bad! By this theory, the government may tax you, for any reason or no reason,...
    Louisa - Enemy of the State
    +3
    Sorry........but how (at the moment) 16 people voted "Good!". Are they really that ignorant that they believe that this will be an improvement on health care? Well, I hope the 16 of you need obamacare the minute it's put into action. RIP
  • jackolantyrn356 2012/06/29 16:14:03
    Undecided
    jackolantyrn356
    +2
    ALL TAXATION BILLS must begin in the House. This is a Senate creation., The Constitutionality is more than a little off. It is an Illegal Tax. Thank you Comrade Roberts for your great thinking. Ass Ho**e
  • CAPISCE 2012/06/29 11:01:04
    Bad! By this theory, the government may tax you, for any reason or no reason,...
    CAPISCE
    +2
    TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX The Middle Class.
    Pelosi said this TAX is not a TAX---lmao, sad this is the Obama Zombies will swallow that crap hook ,line and sinker.
    This Tax is not a TAX. Oh Brother!
  • Arizona... CAPISCE 2012/06/29 12:39:01
  • T A 2012/06/29 07:12:58 (edited)
    Undecided
    T A
    +2
    I'm against all taxes.

    But come on people. Every time you vote for someone they lie to you and yet you keep going back like dogs to vomit. When will you realize that government cannot solve problems. You cannot use force to solve complex social issues. Stop trying to push each other around. You don't have the right to use force to get others to pay for the things you want be they universal health care or unending war.

    If you wouldn't put a gun to your neighbor's head to take the money, why would you put that gun in the government's hand to do it for you?
  • AL 2012/06/29 07:09:58
    Undecided
    AL
    You mean Obama Lied to us ALL that time? LMAO!
  • texasred 2012/06/29 06:00:31
    Bad! By this theory, the government may tax you, for any reason or no reason,...
    texasred
    +1
    That is where I think he went wrong, whether it was intended to wake us up or not.
  • KrSpo 2012/06/29 04:04:15
    Undecided
    KrSpo
    Sorry, but you have gone off the deep end here.
    "Therefore, any American citizen or lawful resident might be subject to a bill of attainder, an ex post facto penalty, or any kind of “excessive fine."

    Ex post Facto / Bill of Attainer are expressly forbidden in the Constitution. The Supreme Court can only make opinions that are not expressly stated by the Constitution. The set Precedent for what they define as the intention of law.. Taxes are vague, and their opinion cannot be examined in this small venue. If you have a link to the actual finding, I would be interested in seeing it.
  • WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA 2012/06/29 03:42:47
    Bad! By this theory, the government may tax you, for any reason or no reason,...
    WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA
    +4
    We are SO screwed.
  • Soup Man 2012/06/29 02:31:16
    Bad! By this theory, the government may tax you, for any reason or no reason,...
    Soup Man
    +3
    For all the Obama-lovers out there, many of whom are my family and friends, how do you like him now? Actually, I’m sure you haven’t changed your perspective and are reveling today but I hope you, no I know you will, eventually come to understand what happened today. The World’s Largest Tax Increase ever will be imposed on the U.S. citizenry.

    The only way Obamacare was ruled legal by the SCOTUS was that it be recognized as a TAX! Obama ran as an anti-tax candidate and you believed him and now he will forever be known as the one who brought the largest tax ever imposed on a people of any country and sadly it’s ours. You will pay for this one route or another. You want to buy the Federal Health Insurance go ahead…spend the money (oh and if you don’t know it may cost a little at first but costs increase steadily thereafter, per the Congressional Business Office (CBO) report on the program) and buy the coverage. Don’t want the coverage, don’t think you need insurance right now (and many don’t want insurance right now because they believe they are in good health) you will pay a penalty though a very high tax on your tax return. You will pay if you do and you will pay if you don’t.

    Also, according to the Congressional Budget Office report, the imposition of this law will result in ...





    For all the Obama-lovers out there, many of whom are my family and friends, how do you like him now? Actually, I’m sure you haven’t changed your perspective and are reveling today but I hope you, no I know you will, eventually come to understand what happened today. The World’s Largest Tax Increase ever will be imposed on the U.S. citizenry.

    The only way Obamacare was ruled legal by the SCOTUS was that it be recognized as a TAX! Obama ran as an anti-tax candidate and you believed him and now he will forever be known as the one who brought the largest tax ever imposed on a people of any country and sadly it’s ours. You will pay for this one route or another. You want to buy the Federal Health Insurance go ahead…spend the money (oh and if you don’t know it may cost a little at first but costs increase steadily thereafter, per the Congressional Business Office (CBO) report on the program) and buy the coverage. Don’t want the coverage, don’t think you need insurance right now (and many don’t want insurance right now because they believe they are in good health) you will pay a penalty though a very high tax on your tax return. You will pay if you do and you will pay if you don’t.

    Also, according to the Congressional Budget Office report, the imposition of this law will result in the loss of more than 700,000 American jobs and that will be a very quick result to this program. Now considering that the Constitution was violated by Obama to make hundred’s of thousands of illegal immigrants now legal immigrants and can work in American jobs, where are the 700, 000 legal Americans going to replace their jobs. And, this in an absolutely awful national economy. Again, this is the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) stating this job loss, it’s not rhetoric.

    Also, in the CBO report, the poor are going to have less access to health care, in fact they won’t have health care they will only have emergency room treatment. Those who will have health insurance will now be able to get health care that includes preventative measures and so much more. The “great divide” between the two tiers has been widened by this ruling. How does that make you feel Obama supporters? Read the CBO report and educate your mind rather than working from your emotions.

    Now how is this opportunity for future regulations in this country going to sit with my Obama-lover friends? This decision now allows Congress, or any other government entity (can you say New York Mayor Gov. Michael Bloomberg) to issue mandates for anything they want to impose because legal precedence has been set that will apply to future legal interpretations. So what will you think when a Congressional majority mandates that everyone must own a gun or pay a tax if you don’t? How about everyone must eat seafood at least once a week and if you don’t or can’t because of allergies you will be taxed for your non-compliance. Don’t like diesel pickups? Hmmm… you could be forced to own one if it is mandated. Don’t like tiny two-person electric cars the size of a golf cart? Then get ready to pay a tax if such vehicles become mandated. Like air conditioning? Maybe not for too much longer. So I know you think this is a stretch but again the legal precedence has been set. Give it time.

    Good luck with the future my dear friends of Obama if this never changes from the legislative actions of a future administration. America as we have known it will be no more…and yes there are a lot of people who can’t wait for that change and to become Government Sheepeople. Not me however, and not a lot of other people either.
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  • Angus 2012/06/29 01:55:49
    Bad! By this theory, the government may tax you, for any reason or no reason,...
    Angus
    +1
    Justice was replaced with political activism. PERIOD

    It's up to us know to make everyone pay that supported it.
  • Don Leuty 2012/06/29 01:46:32
    Undecided
    Don Leuty
    +1
    The Congress already had the unlimited right to tax. This decision only brought our attention back to it. Every member of Congress that cast a vote for Obamacare used the despised "Bait and Switch" tactic to mislead their constituencies turn the people, in effect, against themselves.

    HillaryCare was rejected because it was a tax. Even whitewashing did not get Obamacare a national consensus. The Constitution is not weakened by this decision, but this decision has focused the attention on the American voter.

    We put the rascals there. It is our job to get the rascals out, and replace them with those sensitive to the consensus of their constituencies. We are responsible for the consequences of our votes.
  • wildcat 2012/06/29 01:36:19
    Good! Now we can join the ranks of all enlightened industrialized nations tha...
    wildcat
  • ☆ElenaDiamond☆ 2012/06/29 01:35:11
    Bad! By this theory, the government may tax you, for any reason or no reason,...
    ☆ElenaDiamond☆
    +3
    The answer choice pretty much sums it up. They can tax you to pay for health insurance that you don't want. Not only that but to pay for others health insurance.
  • Kane Fernau 2012/06/29 01:29:56
    Bad! By this theory, the government may tax you, for any reason or no reason,...
    Kane Fernau
    +4
    We get to join Greece.
  • pbunny 2012/06/29 01:29:40
    Bad! By this theory, the government may tax you, for any reason or no reason,...
    pbunny
    +3
    Now anyone with half a brain knows 0bama and his mobsters lied like a dirty rug. Where are all the libs tonight? Hushed into a guilty silence for what what they have done I hope.
  • Charlie 2012/06/29 01:19:09
    Bad! By this theory, the government may tax you, for any reason or no reason,...
    Charlie
    +4
    thanks John Roberts for stating the obvious. We always knew it was a "tax". It still doesn't change the fact you are forcing us to buy a product. So we can call it a "mandate tax", but it is still WRONG.
  • ★Calliope★ 2012/06/29 00:42:07
    Bad! By this theory, the government may tax you, for any reason or no reason,...
    ★Calliope★
    +3
    The son-of-a-bitch Obama - yes, i'm calling him that. He doesn't respect me - I'm not respecting him - whined and whinged and pissed and moaned that his 'opposition' called the individual mandate a 'tax'. HE SWORE IT WASN'T - now the SCOTUS says it's a tax?

    This is unbef__king believable and it must be arm-twisting - otherwise why would someone vote YES on a bill that was not passed? That's basically what happened.

    Chitown politics. Nationwide.

    Same old crap.
  • ★Calliope★ ★Calliope★ 2012/06/29 00:44:21
    ★Calliope★
    +1
    Less fortunate people? Poor folks?

    Right now - do you know the percentage of home many people on Medicaid misuse the ER? Why? Because they don't have to pay for it. The ER is a doctor's office for most of those folks. ER for sniffles and blisters and coughs and colds and little aches and pains. Why not - they don't pay.

    I'm so sick of it.
  • Arizona1950 2012/06/29 00:28:35
    Bad! By this theory, the government may tax you, for any reason or no reason,...
    Arizona1950
  • Arizona... Arizona... 2012/06/29 12:38:30
  • teigan 2012/06/28 23:10:58
    Undecided
    teigan
    +2
    This just upholds the fact that Obama LIED to the American people. Obama raised your taxes even though he said that nobody making under 250.000 would see no tax increase. That was a lie, he is taxing every single one of you. So, enjoy your new tax, you get what you ask for. He played you all for fools. repeal and replace obamacare Romney for President 2012
  • Icono1 2012/06/28 23:01:46
    Bad! By this theory, the government may tax you, for any reason or no reason,...
    Icono1
    +2
    FTA
    "Congress may tax anyone, for any reason, to force him or her to do anything it wants. Even if the government cannot fine a person, it can tax that person. Furthermore, the government can tax wherever it may not fine."

    True.
  • V~POTL~PWCM~JLA 2012/06/28 23:00:03
    Bad! By this theory, the government may tax you, for any reason or no reason,...
    V~POTL~PWCM~JLA
    +3
    If the law was upheld because it's a tax, the President has some explaining to do.

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/p...

    Thanks to this ruling, Congress has unlimited power. They can force anyone to do anything, by imposing "tax penalties" for failure to comply. Obamacare is just the tip of the iceberg as far as abuse of power is concerned. If Hitler were alive today, he would be grinning from ear to ear.

    On the other hand, it's a small price to pay to get rid of Obama. He's toast. Voters MUST be more careful about who we vote for -- because the Supreme Court will not lift a finger to curb the power of the legislative or executive branch. We elected idiots and we suffered the consequences.
  • Cyan9 2012/06/28 22:40:48
    Good! Now we can join the ranks of all enlightened industrialized nations tha...
    Cyan9
    +1
    It always had the same economic effect as either a subsidy for those with insurance or a tax on those without insurance. It's a rather petty argument of semantics. The net effect doesn't change if you call it a fee, a tax or a subsidy.
  • Mike 2012/06/28 22:36:09
    Bad! By this theory, the government may tax you, for any reason or no reason,...
    Mike
    +2
    Another way the dem's and scrotum have stuck it to the middle class
  • Stryder 2012/06/28 22:32:11
    Bad! By this theory, the government may tax you, for any reason or no reason,...
    Stryder
    +3
    By 1:30pm today the Romney campaign had received over $1M in donations. The base has officially been energized and that sleeping giant has awakened.
  • Proggy 2012/06/28 22:10:12
    Good! Now we can join the ranks of all enlightened industrialized nations tha...
    Proggy
    +2
    This will soon lead to either a strong public option or single payer and finally America will join all the other 1st world industrialized nations where the health of it's citizens aren't driven by the profit motive.
  • Cyan9 Proggy 2012/06/28 22:33:48
    Cyan9
    +2
    Although I think a two-tier system would work better than a single payer, the key thing is the United States can no longer morally justify being the only industrialized state without universal healthcare. The US has slipped so far down the health care ladder that even our imperial possessions of Puerto Rico and the US. Virgin Islands have higher life expectancies than us.
  • Ken 2012/06/28 21:50:35
    Bad! By this theory, the government may tax you, for any reason or no reason,...
    Ken
    +4
    Even worse, Roberts made up the idea that the "penalty" was a "tax", in order to save the statute! Obama has always said it wasn't a tax, the solicitor general argued that it was not a tax, and yet, in violation of the Constitution's proscription of a "direct tax" (the 16th Amendment allows the income tax - no other direct tax is allowed) Roberts and the four liberals on the court give the federal government carte blanche to do anything they want under our Constitution. A sad, sad day in the history of this nation.
  • Mrs. maggot 2012/06/28 21:28:11
    Bad! By this theory, the government may tax you, for any reason or no reason,...
    Mrs. maggot
    +6
    Obama just gave us the biggest tax increase in the history of the world....and it will fall mostly on the backs of families of 4 making 74,000 or less and singles making 25,000 or less.

    Everyone awake now?
  • 9th of 9 2012/06/28 21:27:31
    Bad! By this theory, the government may tax you, for any reason or no reason,...
    9th of 9
    +5
    If you think you're not at the end of your liberty, you are one blind fool.
  • Walt 2012/06/28 21:16:19
    Bad! By this theory, the government may tax you, for any reason or no reason,...
    Walt
  • zapped 2012/06/28 20:49:50
    Bad! By this theory, the government may tax you, for any reason or no reason,...
    zapped
    +7
    well this is the way the liberally siding supreme court is dressing this up as ...

    it is unconstitutional ....however after the threats they'd recieved they figured this was the best way to proceed ,,,,now were the newly appointed justices recused in their vote ?

    and this enables them at a later date to use this ruling to dress their socialism any way they choose ....and tax & make the people do as the way the factions mandate they do !
    socialism dressed up to look like a good thing for them ...the libreals wanted this ...

    now when they loose the rest of their freedoms to choose ..then they will say what the hell just happened !?

    the govt . saying you people arent smart enough to choose whats best for ya !

    NOW WHY WAS KEGAN / SOTOMAYOR ALLOWED TO VOTE ??

    they being appointed uring this fiasco should have recused them selves !
  • burningsnowman 2012/06/28 20:47:18 (edited)
    Bad! By this theory, the government may tax you, for any reason or no reason,...
    burningsnowman
    +7
    It's actually even worse than that. The Supreme Court basically just did the equivalent of saying that the fine is not a tax, except for when it is:

    "The Affordable Care Act describes the payment as a 'penalty,' not a 'tax.' That label cannot control whether the payment is a tax for purposes of the Constitution, but it does determine the application of the Anti-Injunction Act. The Anti-Injunction Act therefore does not bar this suit."

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/bl...
  • bill 2012/06/28 20:43:10
    Bad! By this theory, the government may tax you, for any reason or no reason,...
    bill
    +8
    Roberts has moved to the Dark Side; he's one of them now.
  • bman~AVA bill 2012/06/28 21:21:47
    bman~AVA
    +6
    Yeah man! And the thing of it is? We all lose as a result.
  • ScottyG - Faqueue 2012/06/28 20:41:24
    Undecided
    ScottyG - Faqueue
    +6
    He won the battle but he'll lose the war.


    Justice Roberts just did the Republicans a huge favor. He insured a win in November. Now we will have the POTUS, House and Senate.

    You see, the TAX mandate is not collectable or enforceable and the single biggest, least wanted tax to ever be created. 70% of Americans DON'T want the mandate and as a tax they will HATE IT.

    The States don't have to comply with expansion. SO they will get their funding even when they refuse to expand medicare and medicade. There goes the ability to make States comply and kills the funding issue.

    Thanks Justice Roberts, you just became my new hero.

    This makes Romney a shoe in for POTUS.
  • 9th of 9 ScottyG... 2012/06/28 21:30:19
    9th of 9
    +3
    Romney invented the flippin sh@t. He wont do squat but steal even more of your freedoms.

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