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Hawaii birth certificate: reliable? Or not?

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/04/30 22:13:14
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Last week, Steven Carter, of Philadelphia, PA, solved
a mystery that had troubled him since he was a boy. In fact, he is not
Steve Carter, but Marx Panama Barns. In 1977, his mother ran away from her husband and took him with her.
Eventually she traveled to Hawaii. The details are still sketchy, but
somehow someone in authority committed Barnes/Carter’s mother for
psychiatric treatment and sent the infant Barnes/Carter to an orphanage.
The mother later left the hospital, and no one has seen her since.


What has this to do with Obama eligibility? Just this: no one issued a
birth certificate for him until a year after his supposed birthday.
That birth certificate came from Hawaii. It listed Barnes/Carter as
“half native Hawaiian.” But the adult now calling himself Steve Carter has no discernible “native Hawaiian” features.


More to the point: Marx Panama Barnes was not born in Hawaii. He was born in California.


CBS-TV ran a human-interest special on Barnes/Carter. They focused
only on his solving his own child-snatching. But they missed a vital
point: how did he get a Hawaii birth certificate if he was not born in Hawaii?


Nor is this the first time that Hawaii has given a birth certificate
to someone not born on those islands. Mike Zullo is the head of the Cold
Case Posse of Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Arizona. He and
his team have looked into the Obama eligibility question almost since
the White House released what they said was Obama’s birth certificate.
Zullo did not concentrate only on the flaws in the Obama birth
certificate document. He asked himself whether the Hawaii Department of
Health might give someone a birth certificate even if that someone was
not born in Hawaii.


Zullo told interviewer Carl Gallups
that the Hawaii Department of Health has done just that several times.
He also gave the lie to another anti-Obama eligibility canard. Birth announcements in Hawaiian newspapers at the time relied only on family telephone calls. And no one ever checked those.


Hawaii is notorious for having satellite birth registry
offices. [There, people] can literally go in and register another
[person] born in a foreign country—a foreign birth—and register that
birth in Hawaii and get a Certificate of Live Birth.


That last is the official title of the Obama birth certificate
document. Zullo further told Gallups that his team knew of persons born
in California, and adopted in Hawaii, who had Hawaii Certificates of Live Birth. Furthermore, these certificates were in the same registry as persons truly born in Hawaii.


Recall that Marx Panama Barnes/Steve Carter was also born in California and adopted in Hawaii.

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  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/04/30 22:15:57
    Unreliable. Anyone can get a Hawaii birth certificate whether born in Hawaii ...
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +16
    Look at this case of Steve Carter, or should I say Marx Panama Barnes. Snatched from his home in California, he winds up in a Hawaiian orphanage, with a new name, and even a new racial heritage: "half native Hawaiian." What's up with *that*?

    CBS This Morning profiled his case, and totally missed the Obama eligibility angle.

    And his is not an isolated incident. This is going on right now. This goes beyond Sun Yat-sen getting a Hawaiian territorial birth certificate. This is the State of Hawaii and its totally unreliable Vital Stats service.

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  • jlolli aherbert 2012/05/02 00:16:22 (edited)
    jlolli
    "All I am saying is you are not worthy.... worthy of me to try to explain and give facts of my point of view ..."

    Aherbert, how rational is it to make rash unsupported claims, then refuse to back up your statements by saying that your opponent is not worthy of the discussion? Why bother initiating the dialog if don't want to engage in that dialog?
  • aherbert jlolli 2012/05/02 00:33:09
    aherbert
    You people....

    dumb tea party
  • jlolli aherbert 2012/05/03 13:07:42
    jlolli
    Cute photo, Aherbert...

    Please let me know when you would like to engage in an intellegent discussion on the issue instead of sharing cartoons.
  • aherbert jlolli 2012/05/03 15:17:07
    aherbert
    pictures speaks volumes ...
  • seadog6... SK-LIBE... 2012/05/01 08:09:35
  • seadog6... SK-LIBE... 2012/05/01 08:15:31
  • seadog6... aherbert 2012/05/01 08:08:48
  • aherbert seadog6... 2012/05/01 16:15:46
    aherbert
    go away

    Or block me .... you people do not want to be real!
  • seadog6... aherbert 2012/05/01 20:18:09
  • aherbert seadog6... 2012/05/02 00:34:18
    aherbert
    Oh I come on SH during this time ... to banter with RWNJ .... how you doing?
  • seadog6... aherbert 2012/05/03 01:07:57
  • aherbert seadog6... 2012/05/03 15:18:43
    aherbert
    The gas prices would have went up no matter who is President ... pathetic arguement.

    try again
  • seadog6... aherbert 2012/05/04 01:35:08
  • aherbert seadog6... 2012/05/07 02:14:49
    aherbert
    He said, she said right .... the arguement is pathetic ...

    come again
  • seadog6... aherbert 2012/05/07 03:55:15
  • seadog6... aherbert 2012/05/04 01:36:25
  • aherbert seadog6... 2012/05/07 02:16:01 (edited)
    aherbert
    Under the GOP the country was going in to a Depression ..... keep it all in prospective ...


    SEADOG6 BITE THE DUST .... HE CAN NOT HANDLE THE TRUTH SO HE BLOCKED ME .... TYPICAL AND PATHETIC!
  • seadog6... aherbert 2012/05/07 03:55:50
  • Temlako... aherbert 2012/05/01 00:29:01
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +4
    Fine.

    Now answer the question.
  • SK-LIBE... Temlako... 2012/05/01 01:17:43
    SK-LIBERTY OVER EQUALITY
    +5
    One would think we were on "DWTS'' the way these libs dance around questions that they cannot answer.
  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/04/30 22:15:57
    Unreliable. Anyone can get a Hawaii birth certificate whether born in Hawaii ...
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +16
    Look at this case of Steve Carter, or should I say Marx Panama Barnes. Snatched from his home in California, he winds up in a Hawaiian orphanage, with a new name, and even a new racial heritage: "half native Hawaiian." What's up with *that*?

    CBS This Morning profiled his case, and totally missed the Obama eligibility angle.

    And his is not an isolated incident. This is going on right now. This goes beyond Sun Yat-sen getting a Hawaiian territorial birth certificate. This is the State of Hawaii and its totally unreliable Vital Stats service.
  • scblues... Temlako... 2012/04/30 22:31:27
    scbluesman13
    +4
    Where does it say he was born in California, and not Hawaii?

    The only reference to California in this story is that Marx's biological father was living in California 30 years after they found each other. Nothing in the story either suggests or confirms that the father had been living in California the whole time, or that Marx was born there.
  • aherbert scblues... 2012/04/30 22:36:11
    aherbert
    +4
    birthers can t handle the truth


    Oh boy you will loose them with the truth!
  • scblues... aherbert 2012/04/30 22:41:28
    scbluesman13
    +4
    If it smells fishy...

    Animated Jumping Fish
  • jlolli aherbert 2012/04/30 23:22:00
    jlolli
    +2
    AHerbert, here's what the Hawaii Legal statute says about foriegn born kids getting Hawaii Birth Certificates:
    == == == ==
    [§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

    (b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.

    (c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]
    == == == ==
    And here is the link to the Hawaii legal statute 338-17.8:
    http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov...
    ...




    AHerbert, here's what the Hawaii Legal statute says about foriegn born kids getting Hawaii Birth Certificates:
    == == == ==
    [§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

    (b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.

    (c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]
    == == == ==
    And here is the link to the Hawaii legal statute 338-17.8:
    http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov...

    Regardless of IF Obama or IF Carter/Barnes obtained a BC from Hawaii, the simple fact is that the State of Hawaii ALLOWS people to get them even if they were not born there.

    That FACT alone should provide enough to make people at least question the validity of a document posted on the internet and wonder why the REAL ONE is not provided.

    Why is Barry hiding the real BC? What does he have to hide if he was what he says he is?
    (more)
  • aherbert jlolli 2012/04/30 23:25:13
  • TaxCode... jlolli 2012/05/01 02:31:44
    TaxCodeIsLaw
    Of course if you are trying to say that the statute is applicable to Obama, then you may want to take a few lessons in reading statutes:
    [L 1982, c 182, §1]

    This means the law was chaptered in 1982. Nearly 20 years after Obama's certificate was filed in Hawaii. The Hawiian law also says nothing about the certificate listing the birth place as HAwaii.
  • Temlako... scblues... 2012/04/30 23:26:42
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +4
    Why did he get a Hawaiian birth certificate a year after the alleged fact, and showing his race to be "half native Hawaiian" when he had none of the distinguishing features of native Hawaiians?
  • SK-LIBE... scblues... 2012/05/01 00:25:07
    SK-LIBERTY OVER EQUALITY
    +4
    Watch it again. this time pay attention and don't just listen for what you want to here. your are the third person asking such foolish question. Why don't you liberals ever read or watch the videos that are posted? You scared bro of what you'll actaully find?
  • scblues... SK-LIBE... 2012/05/01 18:45:17
    scbluesman13
    Your comment makes absolutely no sense. I actually went through that video 4 times, and there is no mention of where this young man was born.
  • SK-LIBE... scblues... 2012/05/01 19:07:42
    SK-LIBERTY OVER EQUALITY
    was taken from California. geez.
  • scblues... SK-LIBE... 2012/05/01 19:10:22
    scbluesman13
    No, he wasn't. And there's nothing in the video or the documents posted here that suggests or confirms that he was from California. None.
  • SK-LIBE... scblues... 2012/05/01 19:16:35
    SK-LIBERTY OVER EQUALITY
    You look foolish playing dumb.
  • scblues... SK-LIBE... 2012/05/01 19:18:53
    scbluesman13
    That's usually the kind of stuff people reply to me with when they have no facts to support their assertions.
  • SK-LIBE... scblues... 2012/05/01 19:22:23
    SK-LIBERTY OVER EQUALITY
    *face palm*
  • scblues... SK-LIBE... 2012/05/01 19:27:46 (edited)
    scbluesman13
    Like I said...
  • SK-LIBE... scblues... 2012/05/02 01:45:13
    SK-LIBERTY OVER EQUALITY
    like I said...
  • NPC 2012/04/30 22:14:48
    Unreliable. Anyone can get a Hawaii birth certificate whether born in Hawaii ...
    NPC
    +10
    Photoshop BC is a forgery
  • gldynmd NPC 2012/04/30 23:06:02
    gldynmd
    +6
    Clearly!

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