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Hawaii birth certificate: reliable? Or not?

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/04/30 22:13:14
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Last week, Steven Carter, of Philadelphia, PA, solved
a mystery that had troubled him since he was a boy. In fact, he is not
Steve Carter, but Marx Panama Barns. In 1977, his mother ran away from her husband and took him with her.
Eventually she traveled to Hawaii. The details are still sketchy, but
somehow someone in authority committed Barnes/Carter’s mother for
psychiatric treatment and sent the infant Barnes/Carter to an orphanage.
The mother later left the hospital, and no one has seen her since.


What has this to do with Obama eligibility? Just this: no one issued a
birth certificate for him until a year after his supposed birthday.
That birth certificate came from Hawaii. It listed Barnes/Carter as
“half native Hawaiian.” But the adult now calling himself Steve Carter has no discernible “native Hawaiian” features.


More to the point: Marx Panama Barnes was not born in Hawaii. He was born in California.


CBS-TV ran a human-interest special on Barnes/Carter. They focused
only on his solving his own child-snatching. But they missed a vital
point: how did he get a Hawaii birth certificate if he was not born in Hawaii?


Nor is this the first time that Hawaii has given a birth certificate
to someone not born on those islands. Mike Zullo is the head of the Cold
Case Posse of Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Arizona. He and
his team have looked into the Obama eligibility question almost since
the White House released what they said was Obama’s birth certificate.
Zullo did not concentrate only on the flaws in the Obama birth
certificate document. He asked himself whether the Hawaii Department of
Health might give someone a birth certificate even if that someone was
not born in Hawaii.


Zullo told interviewer Carl Gallups
that the Hawaii Department of Health has done just that several times.
He also gave the lie to another anti-Obama eligibility canard. Birth announcements in Hawaiian newspapers at the time relied only on family telephone calls. And no one ever checked those.


Hawaii is notorious for having satellite birth registry
offices. [There, people] can literally go in and register another
[person] born in a foreign country—a foreign birth—and register that
birth in Hawaii and get a Certificate of Live Birth.


That last is the official title of the Obama birth certificate
document. Zullo further told Gallups that his team knew of persons born
in California, and adopted in Hawaii, who had Hawaii Certificates of Live Birth. Furthermore, these certificates were in the same registry as persons truly born in Hawaii.


Recall that Marx Panama Barnes/Steve Carter was also born in California and adopted in Hawaii.

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  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/04/30 22:15:57
    Unreliable. Anyone can get a Hawaii birth certificate whether born in Hawaii ...
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +16
    Look at this case of Steve Carter, or should I say Marx Panama Barnes. Snatched from his home in California, he winds up in a Hawaiian orphanage, with a new name, and even a new racial heritage: "half native Hawaiian." What's up with *that*?

    CBS This Morning profiled his case, and totally missed the Obama eligibility angle.

    And his is not an isolated incident. This is going on right now. This goes beyond Sun Yat-sen getting a Hawaiian territorial birth certificate. This is the State of Hawaii and its totally unreliable Vital Stats service.

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  • bill 2012/05/12 00:06:16
    Unreliable. Anyone can get a Hawaii birth certificate whether born in Hawaii ...
    bill
    +1
    The birth certificate was examined by private law enforcement and said to be a fraud!!!!!!
  • Jeremiah 2012/05/06 05:30:00 (edited)
    Reliable. If Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate, that's all you need to know.
    Jeremiah
    +1
    Obama's birth certificate has been authenticated as accurate by the state of Hawaii's Department of Health. There were two announcement in Hawaii newspapers about his birth. What is the problem?

    Your story of Steven Carter might or night not be accurate, but it is hardly relevant. Joe the Sheriff has his own legal issues, and we know almost nothing about Mike Zullo.

    Sun Yat-sen died in 1925, while Hawaii became a state in 1959. Again, not relevant.
  • marylou5 2012/05/04 05:08:11
    Unreliable. Anyone can get a Hawaii birth certificate whether born in Hawaii ...
    marylou5
    +1
    Absolute fact...you can get a Certificate of Birth in Hawaii...whether you are born there or not! It simply means you are in country and you were obviously born somewhere!!

    What you can't get is a Long Form Birth Certificate because if you are born elsewhere, it does not exist!

    Why do people insist on complicating it???
  • TaxCode... marylou5 2012/05/04 14:09:39
    TaxCodeIsLaw
    +2
    Again birther, back up your claim and get a COLB from Hawaii stating you are born in Hawaii. Then you can claim it as "absolute fact."
  • marylou5 TaxCode... 2012/05/04 20:12:12
    marylou5
    +1
    Why should I get a false/phony/fraudulent COLB in Hawaii when I have a legitimate BC? Are you looney?
  • TaxCode... marylou5 2012/05/04 23:50:20
    TaxCodeIsLaw
    +3
    To substantiate your claim. Obama has a legitimate bc according to Hawaii. You are alleging something, back it up
  • marylou5 TaxCode... 2012/05/05 05:32:20
    marylou5
    +1
    You are repetitious and boring. Hawaii has released no legitimate Long Form BC!
    Prove that he did..if you want to continue this counterproductive dialogue!
    Otherwise ...run along...yawn!
  • TaxCode... marylou5 2012/05/05 07:11:33
    TaxCodeIsLaw
    +1
    Repetitious? From the same dolt posting the same irrelevant link?

    I see you are selective in what you post from Hawaii:

    http://hawaii.gov/health/vita...
  • marylou5 TaxCode... 2012/05/05 14:54:24
    marylou5
    +1
    We are all selective..are we not?
    Go away, if you can't post without calling names. That proves, disproves absolutely nothing! You don't know me and personal attacks are out of line and ends dialogue.
  • TaxCode... marylou5 2012/05/05 15:03:48
    TaxCodeIsLaw
    +2
    "Are you looney?"
    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...

    "You are repetitious and boring."
    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...

    Can't take your own medicine, hypocrite? If you don't want to be called a dolt, then stop posting stupid things.
  • marylou5 TaxCode... 2012/05/05 18:29:42
    marylou5
    +1
    I asked you a question and you could defend yourself because I gave you the opportunity to answer?. Your comments were repetitious and boring IMHO

    You continue to name call because you are out of cogent replies!
    Calling names is an indicator of ...epic fail!

    Bye!
  • TaxCode... marylou5 2012/05/05 18:43:18
  • marylou5 TaxCode... 2012/05/05 18:52:29
    marylou5
    +1
    There are crude, abusive posters and we tolerate them to a point!

    Please add yourself to the list, of those who revert to name calling when they have no cogent reply. Have a nice day, but please do it without me;-)
  • TaxCode... marylou5 2012/05/05 18:54:30
    TaxCodeIsLaw
    +1
    I will have a magnificent day without you :)
  • marylou5 TaxCode... 2012/05/06 03:52:12
  • marylou5 TaxCode... 2012/05/04 20:27:09 (edited)
  • TaxCode... marylou5 2012/05/05 00:06:19
    TaxCodeIsLaw
    +2
    §338-15 Late or altered certificates. A person born in the State may file or amend a certificate after the time prescribed, upon submitting proof as required by rules adopted by the department of health. Certificates registered after the time prescribed for filing by the rules of the department of health shall be registered subject to any evidentiary requirements that the department adopts by rule to substantiate the alleged facts of birth. [L 1949, c 327, §19; RL 1955, §57-18; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-15; am L 1972, c 66, §1(1); am L 1997, c 305, §2] §338-16 Procedure concerning late and altered birth certificates. (a) Birth certificates registered one year or more after the date of birth, and certificates which have been altered after being filed with the department of health, shall contain the date of the late filing and the date of the alteration and be marked distinctly "late" or "altered". (b) A summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for late filing or the alteration shall be endorsed on the certificates. (c) Such evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file. (d) When an applicant does not submit the minimum documentation required by the rules for late registration or when the state registrar finds reasons to question th...
    §338-15 Late or altered certificates. A person born in the State may file or amend a certificate after the time prescribed, upon submitting proof as required by rules adopted by the department of health. Certificates registered after the time prescribed for filing by the rules of the department of health shall be registered subject to any evidentiary requirements that the department adopts by rule to substantiate the alleged facts of birth. [L 1949, c 327, §19; RL 1955, §57-18; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-15; am L 1972, c 66, §1(1); am L 1997, c 305, §2] §338-16 Procedure concerning late and altered birth certificates. (a) Birth certificates registered one year or more after the date of birth, and certificates which have been altered after being filed with the department of health, shall contain the date of the late filing and the date of the alteration and be marked distinctly "late" or "altered". (b) A summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for late filing or the alteration shall be endorsed on the certificates. (c) Such evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file. (d) When an applicant does not submit the minimum documentation required by the rules for late registration or when the state registrar finds reasons to question the validity or adequacy of the certificate or the documentary evidence, the state registrar shall not register the late certificate and shall advise the applicant of the reason for this action. The department of health may by rule provide for the dismissal of an application which is not actively prosecuted. (e) As used in this section, "late" means one year or more after the date of birth. [L 1949, c 327, §20; RL 1955, §57-19; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-16; am L 1972, c 66, §1(2); am L
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  • dallas marylou5 2012/05/04 18:53:11
  • marylou5 dallas 2012/05/04 20:15:50
    marylou5
    +1
    Another looney...why would I commit fraud? I was not born there. I do not live there.
    I have a legitimate BC. I don't need or want a phony one. I leave that fraudulent behavior for those who are intent on claiming they are who they are not!
    Have you no sense?
  • dallas marylou5 2012/05/04 20:32:56
  • marylou5 dallas 2012/05/04 21:00:06 (edited)
    marylou5
    +1
    Don't talk stupid talk, please...you are asking people to do something that is patently illegal! Why would I, or anyone, apply for a BC in a state in which they know they were not born? Perhaps you have little or no scruples but the rest of us won't commit fraud to answer your silly request/argument.

    You carry on like 2 year old holding his breath for the attention it gets him.
    You are a one sentence act going nowhere!
  • dallas marylou5 2012/05/04 21:05:46
  • marylou5 dallas 2012/05/04 22:36:31
    marylou5
    +1
    Boring!!! Facts elude you!
  • dallas marylou5 2012/05/04 22:59:36
  • marylou5 dallas 2012/05/05 05:36:59
    marylou5
    +1
    And anyone who does, who is not eligible under the law, to scapegoat the public is pond scum, a phony and a fraud!

    I'm sure you will agree with that statement!
  • dallas marylou5 2012/05/05 05:41:20
  • marylou5 dallas 2012/05/05 05:56:44
    marylou5
    +1
    Are you serious?

    "And anyone who does,(obtain a BC) who is not eligible under the law, to scapegoat the public, is pond scum, a phony and a fraud!"

    I guess you have no integrity at all...so be it!

    I said "ANYONE", and mentioned no names! You evidently have no scruples either if you condone the fact that anyone/everyone should be able to obtain a fraudulent document to fool the public!

    Please run along..this dialogue is over if you condone criminal activity!
    Bye!
  • dallas marylou5 2012/05/05 06:25:43
  • marylou5 dallas 2012/05/05 18:39:03
    marylou5
    +1
    Obama posted a fake BC and his lawyer said it was fake......
    Don't blame me! I didn't say it! I'm just passing it along since you asked!

    So I guess we will have to conclude that the answer to your question,
    if you believe Obama's own lawyer... would have to be Obama!

    Sorry your obsession and lack of integrity won't let you condemn dishonest people!

    "anyone who does,(get a fraudulent BC) who is not eligible under the law, to scapegoat the public is pond scum, a phony and a fraud!"!
  • TaxCode... marylou5 2012/05/05 18:44:02
    TaxCodeIsLaw
    Show me the exact quote from his lawyer.
  • dallas marylou5 2012/05/06 02:03:16
  • marylou5 dallas 2012/05/05 05:42:41
    marylou5
    I didn't call you names...I stated your talk was stupid, and you were acting like a 2 year old, and a one sentence act going nowhere!
    You are pretty thin-skinned if you think that is name calling...but you and i both know that you are using subterfuge to deflect that you have no cogent reply!
  • dallas marylou5 2012/05/05 06:27:16
  • marylou5 dallas 2012/05/05 18:44:47
    marylou5
    +1
    Of course it makes sense;-)
    Sometimes intelligent people make stupid statements.......who knows why........not me!
  • marylou5 dallas 2012/05/04 20:27:30 (edited)
  • dallas marylou5 2012/05/04 20:34:46
  • marylou5 dallas 2012/05/04 21:08:21
  • dallas marylou5 2012/05/04 21:18:04 (edited)
  • marylou5 dallas 2012/05/04 21:25:27
    marylou5
    +1
    We are talking about Hawaii...are we not?
    This is posted as a distraction. LOL

    I couldn't give a rat's patootie about Illinois...that whole state is corrupt!
    And that IS common knowledge!


    http://hawaii.gov/health/vita...
  • dallas marylou5 2012/05/04 21:29:30
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