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Have the States usurped the Framers original intent of the Electoral College and is it unconstitutional for any of them to make a law requiring Presidential Electors to vote a certain way?

Keith Kakugawa 2012/09/16 07:40:01

The Framers feared "American Idle" style voting and never intended for the President to be picked by a populous vote of we the People.

When you vote in November, you are not voting to choose who the next President is going to be; you are voting for group's of people who may get to vote for who the next President is going to be; dependent on if the group you voted for wins the populous vote of the State you're voting in
(a couple of State's break these groups down into individual congressional districts); there is a group for each individual presidential candidate, the members of each group are made up of the same political affiliation as the presidential candidate, and are usually picked by their Party.

Several States have passed statutes making it against the law for their Presidential Electors to vote against their political party's Candidate, this is more than likely Unconstitutional.



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  • ☆astac☆ 2012/09/16 14:13:29
    ☆astac☆
    It is a state issue. I agree it needs reform, but my way of reform would ensure the rural states and counties are protected from the more populous states. Lets take a look at NY state. A very large numbers of the counties in NY state went for the Republican in 2008, yet obama won because of the population centers like NYC. So my idea of reform would be to base on the number of electoral votes to be based on the number of counties/districts won
  • Rusty Shackleford 2012/09/16 13:33:07
    Rusty Shackleford
    +1
    It is not unconstitutional because the choosing of electors is a state issue.
  • Keith K... Rusty S... 2012/09/16 18:11:41
    Keith Kakugawa
    They get to "choose" who their electors are, they do not get to choose how each elector votes.
  • Rusty S... Keith K... 2012/09/16 18:35:46
    Rusty Shackleford
    Either way, it's a state issue.
  • Keith K... Rusty S... 2012/09/16 20:14:28
    Keith Kakugawa
    It is a Federal issue when a State has abridged the constitutional right of a Presidential Electoral to vote for who they want the next President to be.
  • Schläue~© 2012/09/16 11:49:40
    Schläue~©
    +1
    There is nothing in the Constitution about parties or any stipulations on how an elector votes. It only says that the the electors from each state shall meet to elect a President and VP.

    The Constitution doesn't even give individuals a 'right' to an individual vote although references to such are contained in subsequent amendments.

    So,... don't like the way it turns out? Simple. Don't attempt to hijack someone elses party. Run as an Independent or designated third party candidate, get enough votes to be on the ballot and knock yourself out.
  • Keith K... Schläue~© 2012/09/16 20:22:37
    Keith Kakugawa
    The Consitution gives the States the right to chose their own Electors; above, I have shown how they do this.

    The Constitution gives the Electors the right to vote for who they want the next President to be, it does not give the States the rights to tell their Electors how to vote; I have suggested it would be unconstitutional for the States to do so.
  • Schläue~© Keith K... 2012/09/16 20:45:00
    Schläue~©
    On the contrary,... as I said above,... the Constitution doesn't give any guidelines whatsoever on how states are to conduct their actual elections and left it up to the individual states to make those determinations.
    That was not the purpose of the document.

    States legislatures are given full latitude about type of ballot, electronic vs paper, dates set for primaries and caucuses, open vs closed,.... all of the above.The Constitution specifically DOES NOT dictate how the electors are to vote, only that they convene and do so.

    If the constituents don't like how a particular state conducts the process, the citizens have the option to remove the existing elected officials and replace them.
  • Keith K... Schläue~© 2012/09/16 20:58:31
    Keith Kakugawa
    It is not voting when the State forces an Elector to put a certain name down.
  • Schläue~© Keith K... 2012/09/16 21:06:38
    Schläue~©
    You're missing the whole point.

    It is expressly left up to the states to make those decisions.
    If a state legislature wants to mandate that electors follow the results of districts or by counties, it is well within their right to do so.

    It cannot be deemed unConstitutional because the Constitution doesn't address any of that.
  • Keith K... Schläue~© 2012/09/16 21:34:10
    Keith Kakugawa
    I disagree; the 12th Amendment says, The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President.
  • Schläue~© Keith K... 2012/09/16 21:54:11
    Schläue~©
    Correct, all it changed was instead of casting both of their votes -- one for first choice as President and the second vote as their second choice,.... they cast one vote for President and the second for Vice President.

    Before that change was made, whoever came in second out of all candidates from all parties,..... became Vice Pres.
    That posed a problem because of policy differences and a possible coup attempt.
  • Todayisgoingtobegreat 2012/09/16 11:34:06
    Todayisgoingtobegreat
    +1
    I didn't think it was for groups of people, but for the House and Senate. I thought, the greater of votes is what our Reps voted for. Which sucks, because California has more voting power then Kentucky. The bigger the population the more Reps. to vote for president.
  • Roger 2012/09/16 08:09:02
    Roger
    +2
    It is unconstitutional. The purpose of the Electoral College is so that every state has a vote. With a popular vote we could just hold the elections New York, Chicago, Miami, LA, SF, and no one elses vote would mean anything. Here is a link to great article on the progressive plan to destroy the Electoral College and replace it with “The National Popular Vote”. It is quite lengthy but I encourage everyone to read it. Especially those that don’t quite understand what the Electoral College is and how it works. I know there are many that don’t. I find myself having to explain it several times a month to people.

    http://www.heritage.org/resea...

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