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Have police budgets been cut too deeply?

L.A. Times 2013/02/20 20:00:00
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In an office in a sleepy town in southern New Jersey, Harry Glemser's phone rang. With no buxom secretary to take a message, he answered it himself. It was a dame, looking to hire a private eye.

But this was no scene from a noir novel. The woman was calling because someone in a car kept lurking in her driveway, the engine running, when her husband wasn't home. She'd called the police, but they couldn't help. She hoped Glemser could.

Detectives like Glemser across cash-strapped states have been getting more calls like these as cities and towns cut their police forces to contend with deep budget cuts. New Jersey alone lost 4,200 officers from 2008 to 2011, according to the Policemen's Benevolent Assn., which tracks the state's most recent data.

As police focus more on responding to crime rather than preventing it, private detectives and security firms are often taking on the roles that police once did, investigating robberies, checking out alibis, looking into threats.

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  • Cliff 2013/02/27 15:44:53
    No
    Cliff
  • PJ Sweet Cheeks 2013/02/26 13:54:27
    Yes
    PJ  Sweet Cheeks
    My house was robbed it took the police over 30 minutes to even get there!!!!

    But I will say cutting our Military is even worst as a nation it weakens us!!! They have cut so deep there that it is too the point, I'm starting to think its on purpose!
  • Liberty Blade 2013/02/25 22:02:19
    No
    Liberty Blade
    +1
    I don't need a police officer.
    ak 47
  • LawMan5150 2013/02/25 19:38:34
    No
    LawMan5150
    +1
    unfortunately large departments and their unions have gotten in bed with the liberals and gotten contracts so cushy that they can not afford to hire anyone. I am in a small county. When the economy was booming we did not get huge raises and cushy retirement deals. Our board of supervisors saved the excess taxes and now we have a hug reserve that is paying my check until revenues go back up. We also took a pay cut at our last negotiation and a pay freeze, to keep from having any lay offs. Big departments will not budge ob contracts so the people suffer.
  • gimini210 2013/02/25 00:13:29
    No
    gimini210
    I have a thought, stop the state funded unemployment extensions, the lifer welfare programs, and reroute the savings to the police force. After all the police work to earn their paycheck the others don't.
  • Prophet 2013/02/24 23:52:57
    Yes
    Prophet
    +1
    This is a ploy by local governments to raise taxes. The very thing guaranteed by the constitution is the first thing to go. That would be police and fire protection. And now they are talking about strict gun control. Well how the hell do we protect ourselves. Are we to be ducks sitting in a tub or water?
  • obama needs to go 2013/02/24 19:15:01
    No
    obama needs to go
    +1
    I say this cause people will relate the cuts to needing more taxes. That's not the case, they're are tons of state & local social programs that show no results year in and year out & instead of cuts to them programs, they increase them & cut things like police programs or things like that. Also! I'm not sure about Ian you're cities or towns but I live in Philly and its not uncommon to see two ladies cops parked out front of a nail salon and seeing them they're the entire day doing personal non work related things. Or see them wandering around doing shopping in Walmart? And EVERYTIME you turn around they are pulling over hard working people and giving them hundreds in tickets cause its easier then being out there doing something to benifit the community. The other day my fiancé was stopped and our insurance card was expired by 1 days, they swiftly called for a impound truck? Even though they can check to make sure the insurance is up to date, they chose to ignore that and write (3) over $100, $150 tow and cause it was Friday evening the court is closed so it'll be $258 in storage fee. We came home to find our new insurance card in the mail. Anyone else think that this is a over reach by the police? Also not sure if you herd but 9 of 10 traffic court judges were fired for brieb ta...&
    I say this cause people will relate the cuts to needing more taxes. That's not the case, they're are tons of state & local social programs that show no results year in and year out & instead of cuts to them programs, they increase them & cut things like police programs or things like that. Also! I'm not sure about Ian you're cities or towns but I live in Philly and its not uncommon to see two ladies cops parked out front of a nail salon and seeing them they're the entire day doing personal non work related things. Or see them wandering around doing shopping in Walmart? And EVERYTIME you turn around they are pulling over hard working people and giving them hundreds in tickets cause its easier then being out there doing something to benifit the community. The other day my fiancé was stopped and our insurance card was expired by 1 days, they swiftly called for a impound truck? Even though they can check to make sure the insurance is up to date, they chose to ignore that and write (3) over $100, $150 tow and cause it was Friday evening the court is closed so it'll be $258 in storage fee. We came home to find our new insurance card in the mail. Anyone else think that this is a over reach by the police? Also not sure if you herd but 9 of 10 traffic court judges were fired for brieb taken along with a bunch of police officers & D.A's last week here in philly! So a couple of less harassing police running around don't bother me at all. In my family we exercise the right to carry and protect our selves.
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  • SoD 2013/02/24 16:17:16
    No
    SoD
    If a police department has an armored personnel carrier, it can cut much much more.
  • Cleaver62 2013/02/24 10:44:00
    Yes
    Cleaver62
    It is funny. Everyone wants better roads, safe bridges, good fire protection, a responsive police department, less power outages, faster internet service and wider cell phone coverage. But no one wants to pay the taxes it takes to get these things. Morons. You really need to stop listening to conservative talk radio.
  • obama n... Cleaver62 2013/02/24 18:49:37
    obama needs to go
    And not one of them things are due to the federal government, right? Also they have super high taxes in California and the people they're are no safer, roads are horrendous, power / high speed Internet / cell phone coverage have nothing to do with state or fed government, if anything the government make them services more expensive threw taxes;) who the real moron?
  • Cleaver62 obama n... 2013/02/24 22:44:18
    Cleaver62
    You are!

    It took the US government to get electricity and phone service to rural areas because corporations didn't see it as profitable.

    Until the government breaks up monopolies, you will never see inexpensive good cell phone coverage or high speed internet service. Why, because companies are not going to spend the money to update anything especially in rural areas because there isn't enough profit in it. It is just like the post office. A private company could never and would never give the service the US Postal Service does at the rates it charges because there isn't enough profit in it. The Post Office was never supposed to make money, at best it should break even. But when Republicans decided to force them to fund their pension plan 75 years in advance at a whopping 5 billion dollars a year, of course they look broke.
  • LawMan5150 Cleaver62 2013/02/25 19:42:43
    LawMan5150
    +1
    Perhaps the postal employees should have to invest in their own retirement like the rest of it's customers. And UPS and fed ex does just fine in my rural area.
  • Cleaver62 LawMan5150 2013/02/25 19:48:02
    Cleaver62
    The postal service has always invested in its employee's retirement plan, just like any other business. But there is no business in the world that has ever been forced to prepay for the retirement of employees who are not even born yet. Apple, BP, MicroSoft, whatever company you want to mention would be out of business if they had to pay 5 billion a year in retirement funds.

    And sure UPS and FedEx deliver... at about twice the price of the postal service.
  • LawMan5150 Cleaver62 2013/02/25 19:55:56
    LawMan5150
    The "cost" of postal service to deliver is about 300% higher than the UPS or Fed ex. The cost includes the government subsidies. The post office is a broken government machine that need to just go away. And if the postal employees don't want the cushy retirement they can do away with it at their next union negotiation.
  • Cleaver62 LawMan5150 2013/02/25 23:25:15
    Cleaver62
    You are an idiot. It is not their retirement that is being paid for, it is people who haven't even been born yet who will become employees. How can any company be expected to survive having to pay 5 billion a year? Republicans put it in place to destroy the post office which just happens to be the largest union left in the US.
  • LawMan5150 Cleaver62 2013/02/26 09:07:16
    LawMan5150
    YOu make zero sense. You are even more clueless than you sound. The democrat controlled senate passed those regulations to start to cover the unfunded retirements that the taxpayers would have been stuck with. And the democrat controlled government has had plenty of chances to undue this payment (which the post office hasn't made in the past two years). They lost 5.1 billion last year on top of the 5.5 billion that they did not pay for the unfunded retirements. You are either a sheep or very stupid.
  • Cleaver62 LawMan5150 2013/02/26 09:51:24
    Cleaver62
    Passed under Bush during his first term. Senate was 50/50 split with the deciding vote cast by Vice President who was Dick Chaney and Republicans had a majority in the House. They also stopped the Post office from being able to raise postal rates to help make up the deficit. So, excuse me, but I believe it is you who is clueless.
  • LawMan5150 Cleaver62 2013/02/26 21:52:07
    LawMan5150
    passed in 2006. Here's the facts http://www.reuters.com/articl...
  • Cliff Cleaver62 2013/02/27 15:14:22
    Cliff
    Hey, just think of all the extra government money liberals would have to spend if they decided to abort all the USPS workers that haven't been born yet!
  • Cleaver62 Cliff 2013/02/27 15:45:36
    Cleaver62
    Just think, if you had been aborted the wold would have one less idiot.
  • Cliff Cleaver62 2013/02/27 16:04:09
    Cliff
    Still suffering from that coat hanger in the alley?
  • sheila ... Cleaver62 2013/02/26 18:20:48
    sheila puda
    +2
    Will be more than twice the price when the USPS is out of biz.
  • Cleaver62 sheila ... 2013/02/26 19:16:10
    Cleaver62
    USPS will not go out of business. For those Constitutionalists out there... it is the only business talked about by name in the Constitution.
  • Cliff Cleaver62 2013/02/27 15:30:19
    Cliff
    Isn't it interesting how liberals generally hold the US Constitution in low regard but are quite happy to trot it out when it suits their purposes? As for Constitutionalists, I expect they would be perfectly satisfied proposing an amendment to the Constitution to eliminate the USPS.
  • Cliff LawMan5150 2013/02/27 15:10:44 (edited)
    Cliff
    That would mean that the federal government would lose $5 billion spending money each year. I'm sure they don't want that to happen no matter how much sense it makes.
  • Cliff Cleaver62 2013/02/27 15:08:18
    Cliff
    That's interesting. I did not know that Republicans decided to force them to fund their pension plan 75 years in advance. Perhaps you can answer this. Is that money in a lock box someplace or has the federal government already spent it?
  • Cleaver62 Cliff 2013/02/27 15:49:34
    Cleaver62
    Hey Mr. Retard. Remember that box that Bush was putting in hand it and pulling out all those worthless IOUs? Those worthless IOUs are government bonds, the same bonds you and every country buys from the US. They are just as good as currency. It allows the government to use the money and it gains interest. Hopefully the USPS is investing that 5 billion every year instead of stuffing it into their mattress where the money doesn't have a chance to grow.
  • LawMan5150 Cleaver62 2013/02/25 19:41:12
    LawMan5150
    You have no problem with the waist of trillions of the taxes they already have? The answer is always just take more. The well has run dry. Government employees are paid more than the private sector and that can not be sustained.
  • Cleaver62 LawMan5150 2013/02/25 19:52:15
    Cleaver62
    Private companies had always paid better than the government and with very few exceptions, it is still true today. Are government workers supposed to suffer because so many private companies have out sourced jobs to increase profits, cut benefits and wages to increase profits, cut hours and the number of employees to increase profits but have increased CEO compensation 100 X what it was when Reagan took office in 1980. Why do you want to punish government workers because you and so many other private employees have been screwed by corporations.
  • LawMan5150 Cleaver62 2013/02/25 19:57:14
    LawMan5150
    The average government employee makes more than the average private sector employee. If private sector wages drop then public sector should go down as well. But the unions don't care about citizens only, members.
  • Cleaver62 LawMan5150 2013/02/25 23:22:42
    Cleaver62
    Again... corporate profits have never been higher while wages continue to fall. Why should federal employees be subjected to the same thing. And just exactly what government employees are you claiming make more than private employees. And exactly what is too much? According to most right ring talking heads who make millions or tens of millions or even hundreds of millions of dollars 50 thousand is too much. I don't get it... that is a middle class salary.
  • LawMan5150 Cleaver62 2013/02/26 09:13:09
    LawMan5150
    Average private sector employees without a college degree make 72% less than federal employees without college. Private sector employees with a bachelors degree make 42% less than federal employees. Here's the source. http://www.google.com/url?sa=...
  • Cleaver62 LawMan5150 2013/02/26 09:58:41
    Cleaver62
    Average US postal worker salary is 40-55,000 a year. UPS driver averages between 72-90,000 a year and senior driver can make a lot more. http://work.chron.com/pay-sca... / http://postalemployeenetwork....
  • Cleaver62 LawMan5150 2013/02/26 10:07:15
    Cleaver62
    Senior State attourney in Chicago Cooks county makes 73-80,000 a year while in private practice lawyers average 118,000 dollars in Chicago. http://www.glassdoor.com/Sala...
  • LawMan5150 Cleaver62 2013/02/26 21:53:27
    LawMan5150
    What is the senior state attorney's cost to taxpayers? With benefits and retirement? About double their salary.
  • Cleaver62 LawMan5150 2013/02/26 23:59:23
    Cleaver62
    Just 2 examples of private sector jobs making more than government jobs. There are many many more.The government has always had to overpay for their skilled workers because the private sector always paid more.
  • LawMan5150 Cleaver62 2013/02/27 04:40:31
    LawMan5150
    And for every example of private sector making more there is more proving the opposite. The facts don't lie, or did you forget my above post. Not an isolated case. The national average. FActs, not emotion.

    "average private sector employees without a college degree make 72% less than federal employees without college. Private sector employees with a bachelors degree make 42% less than federal employees. Here's the source. http://www.google.com/url?sa=...
  • Cliff Cleaver62 2013/02/27 15:40:54
    Cliff
    You seem to forget. Government workers are there to serve. How is it that servants have a higher income than the evil greedy capitalists?
  • Cliff Cleaver62 2013/02/27 15:38:38
    Cliff
    Do you suppose that it is purely coincidental that the urban area with the highest income in the US is Washington DC?
  • Cliff Cleaver62 2013/02/27 15:03:18
    Cliff
    You obviously have not been listening attentively to your liberal friends. They love to talk about how conservatives want dirty air, dirty water, kids to starve, old people to die etc. If your liberal friends are correct, then it is the liberals who say they want things but don't want to pay for them. Moron. You really need to start listening to your liberal buddies more carefully.

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