A
good friend (thank you Ronnie) pointed out to me yesterday as we were
discussing many topics, which of course included the state of California
and the country, that the United States has boiled down to simply two
distinct factions. It is no longer about Republicans, Democrats,
Conservatives, Liberals, the Green Party, the Communist Party, etc.
Quite simply the issues in our country center wholly around the "MAKERS"
and the "TAKERS".
The "MAKERS" need to support the "TAKERS"
(in their view) because the "MAKERS" make and keep too much. The
"TAKERS" need to take from the "MAKERS" because the "TAKERS" deserve it
from those who have more than them (in their view).
But, the
founding of this country made the opportunity possible for EVERYONE to
become a "MAKER" if they applied themselves. But the politicians over
the decades decided that they could not always get elected and grow
their "personal kingdoms" with a country full of "MAKERS". Such people
ultimately wouldn't need them so they created the ripe environment for
the "TAKERS" to grow their ranks and fuel the politician's lifelong
lifestyles and entrenchment to always support the "TAKERS" albeit in a
truly non-caring way.
But, we are at the tipping point. The
number of "TAKERS" in this country is closing in on and could very soon
exceed the "MAKERS" not only in terms of numbers but in the amount of
money transferred from one group to the other (in California the number
has already tipped with 51% of the population now relying on the support
of the government in some form or another). Once there becomes more
"TAKERS" than "MAKERS" what will then happen to the "TAKERS" and their
expectations when the money dries up? More over what will happen to our
country?
Hmmm... Greece comes to mind. Or perhaps the "United
States of EurAsia" is in our not-to-distant future (tips to the terrific
band "Muse" for that perspective).
that is so true! and also what will happen to the "makers" when the "takers" exceed the "makers"? because the makers will then be forced to support themselves and the over-populated takers.... just a thought!:)
I call it Liberty versus Force. Different words, same thing. I am astounded that most people continue to debate the best ways of instituting more force, which is the same as saying "to hell with Liberty".
It will remain this way until finally the collapse arrives, the only "salvation" remaining to us.
The Government attacks makers in the form of " tax the rich " , License, fees , Mandates , business taxes, forced hiring of second , third and forth tier employees .
Even children are attacked for attempting to sell lemonade without the full force of government licensing crashing down on them.
Meanwhile giving away free phones and paying bonuses to get others to sign on.
Government agencies encouraging food stamp parties , and teaming up with foreign governments to sign up more illegals on food stamps .
There is a definite Government one two punch . Any attempting to start or run a business or be self sufficient will be attacked , regulated, mandated, taxed , sued , fined and countless hours of useless paperwork for no reason .
At the same time Unemployment , pensions , food stamps , housing , utilities , all are encouraged to be taken .
Dismantle Governmental agencies and allow the people to get back to work.
Some of us were discussing this at work in the last few days. The makers (and I mean people who do hard physical labor) are getting damn tired of working ceaselessly for the benefit of those who sit on their butts. One woman said that she had been working since she was nine years old and she finally figured out that working at all may have been her big mistake. She complained that she knew people who were on disability that had less wrong with them physically than the people who worked lifting steel with their bare hands at our factory. Most of us are riddled with arthritis, joints worn until the bones wear a hole through them, tendonitis, bad backs, going deaf, some going blind from welding and many other problems. Yet we get up and go to work 5, 6, 7 days a week sometimes working 10 and 12 hour shifts.
No one hears our voices now but someday when all of us retire the country is going to be asking why they can't find any dedicated skilled labor.
Opportunity in America is actually very limited. Unless you have a monopoly on the production of something via a patent grant or copyright, you can't employ yourself and you can't survive without a job. Which is why the "MAKERS" are the working class who produce everything and the "TAKERS" are the rich who own everything.
Take the Federal Income Tax, There is no law on the books for that but yet...is taken out of paychecks. Odd that things can be done and no one notices. =)
Yes and I think it's time for another civil war. The right with all the guns versus the left with all their whining about the right with all their guns who do you think will win.
Yes, I think you have got it - It is what we are evolving into, and fast. Who could imagine a president who would sneer at the hard work and inventiveness of "makers" and an audience would applaud? Who would imagine that this nation would have people who actually believe that a road made a business and that the business owner should be ashamed of his/her success?
Yes, you nailed it and we must turn this thought process around
You best review his speech - he sneered at the hard work "everybody works hard" and he sneered at their inventiveness "smart, there are lots of smart people" His ass hat who has never even operated a hot dog stand has no clue what it takes to open and run a business. He is a fool and he showed it in a big way.
I am a registered Independent and former democrat - I know an idiot when I see one, Obama is an incompetent idiot
No, he didn't sneer at anyone's hard work. That's just your hate-speak at work. However, for what little good it does you, you ARE allowed to have a monumentally screwed up perspective. You RWNJs usually do anyway.
You best review his speech - he sneered at the hard work "everybody works hard" and he sneered at their inventiveness "smart, there are lots of smart people" He is ass hat who has never even operated a hot dog stand has no clue what it takes to open and run a business. He is a fool and he showed it in a big way.
I am a registered Independent and former democrat - I know an idiot when I see one, Obama is an incompetent idiot
"You best review his speech - he sneered at the hard work "everybody works hard""
I've seen the whole thing. He did no such thing. That you think he did says far more about your prejudice than anything else.
"and he sneered at their inventiveness "smart, there are lots of smart people""
Again, there was no sneering involved. What he was saying... what you missed because you were so eager to hate EVERYTHING he said and looking for reasons to do so... was that no one does it alone. There are plenty of smart people out there who fail because they didn't have help.
" He is ass hat who has never even operated a hot dog stand has no clue what it takes to open and run a business."
The same can be said for many of our best Presidents. Business experience is no indicator of a quality President.
"I am a registered Independent and former democrat - I know an idiot when I see one, Obama is an incompetent idiot"
Gawd, not with the 'hate' crap again. Let me be clear - hate is an emotion and the people who study this sort of thing tell us that one cannot hate anyone whom one has not had a personal attachment to and felt great emotion. I do not know the man, have never met him and have no personal feelings about. He seems like a nice enough guy from appearances, a good husband and a loving father. He is simply out of his depth and, while not a incompetent as Carter, is incompetent.
He jeered and sneered at the people who create the jobs, work killer hours and pour their assets and time into building business. He said they did not do it on their own and even said it was streets that did it for them. He is just plain out of complete touch with reality. It is no small wonder that our unemployment has been 8+% for 41 straight months, with GDP sliding down and down - he has no clue how the world of economics work and what has built this country.
It is what I, and millions of American's heard him say - no way around it - he did it and even he, given his several backing up speeches, knows it. You defend the indefensible. And I agree with 'some kind', however, he said that government via roads did it - and sweets, I have a road out front and it hasn't built a single business.
No I expect nothing from Obama, and, of course, that is what we have. His policies, regulations and spending are killing this nation - it is to be expected when we elect someone so unqualified to run our nation. "Years from now, historians may regard the 2008 election of Barack Obama as an inscrutable and disturbing phenomenon, the result of a baffling breed of mass hysteria akin perhaps to the witch craze of the Middle Ages.
How, they will wonder, did a man so devoid of professional accomplishment beguile so many into thinking he could manage the world's largest economy, direct the world's most powerful military, execute the world's most consequential job? Imagine a future historian examining Obama's pre-presidential life: ushered into and through the Ivy League despite unremarkable grades and test scores along the way; a cushy non-job as a "community organizer"; a brief career as a state legislator devoid of legislative achievement (and in...
It is what I, and millions of American's heard him say - no way around it - he did it and even he, given his several backing up speeches, knows it. You defend the indefensible. And I agree with 'some kind', however, he said that government via roads did it - and sweets, I have a road out front and it hasn't built a single business.
No I expect nothing from Obama, and, of course, that is what we have. His policies, regulations and spending are killing this nation - it is to be expected when we elect someone so unqualified to run our nation. "Years from now, historians may regard the 2008 election of Barack Obama as an inscrutable and disturbing phenomenon, the result of a baffling breed of mass hysteria akin perhaps to the witch craze of the Middle Ages.
How, they will wonder, did a man so devoid of professional accomplishment beguile so many into thinking he could manage the world's largest economy, direct the world's most powerful military, execute the world's most consequential job? Imagine a future historian examining Obama's pre-presidential life: ushered into and through the Ivy League despite unremarkable grades and test scores along the way; a cushy non-job as a "community organizer"; a brief career as a state legislator devoid of legislative achievement (and in fact nearly devoid of his attention, so often did he vote "present") and finally an unaccomplished single term in the United States Senate, the entirety of which was devoted to his presidential ambitions.
He left no academic legacy in academia, authored no signature legislation as a legislator. And then there is the matter of his troubling associations: the white-hating, America-loathing preacher who for decades served as Obama's "spiritual mentor"; a real-life, actual terrorist who served as Obama's colleague and political sponsor.
It is easy to imagine a future historian looking it it all and asking: how on Earth was such a man elected president.'
"It is what I, and millions of American's heard him say"
That's no doubt true. It's sad, because it means that millions of Americans are predisposed to convincing themselves of things that aren't true.
" And I agree with 'some kind', however, he said that government via roads did it - and sweets, I have a road out front and it hasn't built a single business."
No. He said the roads helped. And they did. Roads don't build businesses, but they sure as hell help them thrive.
As for the rest of your post, just more hate. Hate, hate, hate. That's really all you have with Obama.
"When the people learn to vote themselves money, that will hearld the end of the Republic." Ben Franklin
It will remain this way until finally the collapse arrives, the only "salvation" remaining to us.
You have a decision to make.
Do you want to be a maker, or a taker?
The Particular Friends of Government Control and Dependence
&
The Particular Friends of Constitutional Authority and Individual Freedoms
Even children are attacked for attempting to sell lemonade without the full force of government licensing crashing down on them.
Meanwhile giving away free phones and paying bonuses to get others to sign on.
Government agencies encouraging food stamp parties , and teaming up with foreign governments to sign up more illegals on food stamps .
There is a definite Government one two punch . Any attempting to start or run a business or be self sufficient will be attacked , regulated, mandated, taxed , sued , fined and countless hours of useless paperwork for no reason .
At the same time Unemployment , pensions , food stamps , housing , utilities , all are encouraged to be taken .
Dismantle Governmental agencies and allow the people to get back to work.
No one hears our voices now but someday when all of us retire the country is going to be asking why they can't find any dedicated skilled labor.
The takers:
the bribes are panned out as government " benefits "
Yes, you nailed it and we must turn this thought process around
Only a RWNJ who has disconnected him/herself from reality. Like you, for instance.
I am a registered Independent and former democrat - I know an idiot when I see one, Obama is an incompetent idiot
Only right wing nutjobs, since that's not what the President said or did.
I am a registered Independent and former democrat - I know an idiot when I see one, Obama is an incompetent idiot
I've seen the whole thing. He did no such thing. That you think he did says far more about your prejudice than anything else.
"and he sneered at their inventiveness "smart, there are lots of smart people""
Again, there was no sneering involved. What he was saying... what you missed because you were so eager to hate EVERYTHING he said and looking for reasons to do so... was that no one does it alone. There are plenty of smart people out there who fail because they didn't have help.
" He is ass hat who has never even operated a hot dog stand has no clue what it takes to open and run a business."
The same can be said for many of our best Presidents. Business experience is no indicator of a quality President.
"I am a registered Independent and former democrat - I know an idiot when I see one, Obama is an incompetent idiot"
You're entitled to your opinion.
He jeered and sneered at the people who create the jobs, work killer hours and pour their assets and time into building business. He said they did not do it on their own and even said it was streets that did it for them. He is just plain out of complete touch with reality. It is no small wonder that our unemployment has been 8+% for 41 straight months, with GDP sliding down and down - he has no clue how the world of economics work and what has built this country.
Have a great day
You believe that because you WANT to believe that, not because it has any basis in reality.
" He said they did not do it on their own"
He's right. No one can build and run a business without help of some kind.
" It is no small wonder that our unemployment has been 8+% for 41 straight months"
So you expect Obama to hire everyone?
No I expect nothing from Obama, and, of course, that is what we have. His policies, regulations and spending are killing this nation - it is to be expected when we elect someone so unqualified to run our nation. "Years from now, historians may regard the 2008 election of Barack Obama as an inscrutable and disturbing phenomenon, the result of a baffling breed of mass hysteria akin perhaps to the witch craze of the Middle Ages.
How, they will wonder, did a man so devoid of professional accomplishment beguile so many into thinking he could manage the world's largest economy, direct the world's most powerful military, execute the world's most consequential job? Imagine a future historian examining Obama's pre-presidential life: ushered into and through the Ivy League despite unremarkable grades and test scores along the way; a cushy non-job as a "community organizer"; a brief career as a state legislator devoid of legislative achievement (and in...
No I expect nothing from Obama, and, of course, that is what we have. His policies, regulations and spending are killing this nation - it is to be expected when we elect someone so unqualified to run our nation. "Years from now, historians may regard the 2008 election of Barack Obama as an inscrutable and disturbing phenomenon, the result of a baffling breed of mass hysteria akin perhaps to the witch craze of the Middle Ages.
How, they will wonder, did a man so devoid of professional accomplishment beguile so many into thinking he could manage the world's largest economy, direct the world's most powerful military, execute the world's most consequential job? Imagine a future historian examining Obama's pre-presidential life: ushered into and through the Ivy League despite unremarkable grades and test scores along the way; a cushy non-job as a "community organizer"; a brief career as a state legislator devoid of legislative achievement (and in fact nearly devoid of his attention, so often did he vote "present") and finally an unaccomplished single term in the United States Senate, the entirety of which was devoted to his presidential
ambitions.
He left no academic legacy in academia, authored no signature legislation as a legislator. And then there is the matter of his troubling associations: the white-hating, America-loathing preacher who for decades served as Obama's "spiritual mentor"; a real-life, actual terrorist who served as Obama's colleague and political sponsor.
It is easy to imagine a future historian looking it it all and asking: how on Earth was such a man elected president.'
That's no doubt true. It's sad, because it means that millions of Americans are predisposed to convincing themselves of things that aren't true.
" And I agree with 'some kind', however, he said that government via roads did it - and sweets, I have a road out front and it hasn't built a single business."
No. He said the roads helped. And they did. Roads don't build businesses, but they sure as hell help them thrive.
As for the rest of your post, just more hate. Hate, hate, hate. That's really all you have with Obama.